Guild Wars 2

Question. What does it take to Trigger the Outmanned Buff?

I have not been able to find any numbers that say “At this point the buff will trigger”

So I was wondering what what point does it trigger, IE: What does Anet consider “The enemies greatly outnumber your forces , be careful out there!”

Are we talking 2 vs 1, 4 vs 1, at what ratio or number does this Karma Train Exp buff turn on.

Also.

Does it trigger if say you are out manning another server?

IE: If we have 50 people on the field, and the other servers have 150 and 10 respectively, with the server with 10 people get the buff and we won’t, or will both the out manned servers get the buff?

Thanks for any input you can give.

Manoa.5897:

I’m sure you’re just simply flattered.

I’m going to have to make that forum regular reading now. :p

Stop on down and enjoy the forums.

Since attention is what some of you seek, If you would like I can make a topic about you as well, if you want.

In fact, if anyone wants us to devote a topic just to them, let me know, I’ll be glad to oblige. In fact, if you need it, for all the talent you all bring to the game, I can start your very own sub forum just for you guys.. and it looks like I just might have to.

The ET forums can be found here : Eredon Terrace Forums

I already knew that the the resident SF rat was reading them, when he copied the info from my Bio to these forums. You can read all about your little topic that is pretty much all about me Sorrows Furnace

Meh. Tell me something I don’t know in the future.

Thanks for the score updates!

Anyone get the ending Score?

geekanerd.4123:

We’re just chasing after SF and hoping they decide not to turn around. But, hey, at least there’s a metric-kittenton of karma/gold/exp to be had by this constant capping of keeps and towers. That’s about the only silver lining I can get out of it.

Amen to that!

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

That lack-of-SF-hate coming from ET nonetheless comes across as almost sarcasm. I’m so confused, yet, pleased in a conflicted manner as well. *spontaneously combusts

I believe you have found your solution to winning.

So let me get this right, because we are not saying unkind things about a relative you may or may not have, you are overcome with blind mindless rage towards ET?

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Ungood.3054:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Did you just throw 15 Charrs in a bucket? :P

On another note, you mentioned “More disrespect from another SF player” and I really hope you do not think that ET and FC do not have folks who throw disrespect around either. Those who live in glass houses…

As with any Server, I am sure you have your mature and respectful members, that can be civil even while playing a war game. In fact, I hope that the antics of some of your posters do not in fact reflect the maturity of the whole.

Personally, and I can speak for a good chunk of ET when I say that some of your posters do your server as a whole a disservice with their every post.

As I can say the same for your server. SF just has a larger population than you do so we have more representatives to post that crap than you do.

Pointing fingers and laying blame really only affects those of us who actually care. The ones who inflame things like you are talking about get exactly what they want in the end. They kitten you off and make you post about them.

I have been on these boards long enough to know you do not do those things.

I did say “as with any server” we have our winners too

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Did you just throw 15 Charrs in a bucket? :P

On another note, you mentioned “More disrespect from another SF player” and I really hope you do not think that ET and FC do not have folks who throw disrespect around either. Those who live in glass houses…

As with any Server, I am sure you have your mature and respectful members, that can be civil even while playing a war game. In fact, I hope that the antics of some of your posters do not in fact reflect the maturity of the whole.

Personally, and I can speak for a good chunk of ET when I say that some of your posters do your server as a whole a disservice with their every post.

-Sigh-

Another one…

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Just how I see it, I may be wrong.

You’re not wrong.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

LOL, hope it wasn’t me who seemed to have missed it. Because I have no idea who this person is or what you all are talking about. Besides his post about retiring commander. That is all I was addressing.

Server Drama, happens no matter where you go or what server you are on, we need to get an ET forums more active so we can keep put drama there, as to not drag you all into something that, no offence, does not involve you.

I think we could even put sub categories for Guilds on the Forums, private to those members, I’ll talk to the Admin about that.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

It’s cute how you give yourself so much credit for what is moreso your server, and beyond that the how Glicko2 handles tier 8.

Glicko2 is not the problem, if you think it is, feel free to bring that up with Anet. What generated the problem was Free Transfers (Which Anet admitted to) and players jumping on the bandwagon of a server they thought was going to kick off.

So the only “cute” thing here is the same thing that put you all in green is the same thing that condemns you to T8. I, personally, am loving that irony.

Edit: also, as far as credit goes. Yes, every camp I take, every Ram I drop that helps take a tower, keep, garrison or castle, contributes to your staying here just that much longer. ET does not have a the leisure of overwhelming numbers, so every one of us matters, every one of our contributions count, with the volume of people SF can field, I am sure that is a foreign thing on SF, but on ET, every hand is an important hand.

And yes, Everyone on ET should pat themselves on the back for a job well done! I for one am honored to stand with such tenacious fighters! Never Surrender!

At the same time, I still feel quite odd about the idea that I am putting so much effort to fight SF, and thus keep you all here, when many on your side have expressed that you don’t want to be here and I would not mind a new face around these parts either.

I can’t speak for anyone else, but I feel a little at odds with myself mentioning that I want SF out of our Server while I am planting my boot against their backside ensuring that they stay awhile longer.

roostapro.9827:

Nope.

SF aren’t getting any free rides, If they want to move up they need to fight their way up..mostly because they don’t deserve to be in T7 (Until, they show respect instead of throwing the word around) and if they want to move to T7 they need to do that on their own like the rest of us would.

idc how stale this match is, But SF is not getting any free rides from me.

I gotta say.. I do admit that I find it funny that people jumped to SF in some hope that it would pull a Kain right before Free Transfers ended, only to end up still stuck here on the Bottom Rung.

It seems they are not as good as they think they are, and as long as the map looks like this, they will never get out.

Jeknar.6184:

Either way, you guys aren’t comming down anytime soon, so i don’t really care.

I Laughed when I read this, at this point it is highly unlikely that anyone on T7 will lose bad enough to fall to T8, and as others have pointed as well, SF is no Kaineng.

Jeknar.6184:

You talk like playing with alts on WvW isn’t actually fighting… OFC underlevels can’t 1v1, and a big zerg of underlevels can be done quick, but they still can man siege and carry supply, which is the root of WvW.

This is the way I run. I mean, there are only a few ways to get a feel if you like a toon in GW2.

You can play it PvE, level up slowly, the “Traditional” way as it may be considered.

You can go to sPvP, and see everything the class offers, all the skills, abilities, and play with builds and ideas there, but, you still need to find another way to level up if you plan to do anything other then sPvP.

You can jump into WvWvW get a very quick feel for how you stack up against many different kinds of things, from other players, to a variety of mobs and even buildings. Not to mention you also can level up while being up leveled.

So for me, Leveling an Alt in WvW just makes sense. But when I am leveling an alt, I am out there fighting, I mean maybe some people go to the WvWvW maps to only do the PvE stuff, but that ain’t me, I am always on the front lines fighting till my last, and it don’t matter if I am playing a leveled up alt, or as my main.

wyther.8372:

Ungood.3054:

We also don’t fight with a guild style mentality, we fight as a server, a legion of one, no matter what the guild tag may be. We raise, defend, and follow command, anyone willing to fight for us. This the people we put on the field, may as well all be in the same guild, even if our tags are different, we are all Eredon Terrace Defenders, and we will fight, to the very last one of us.

Noble sentiment and I wish this was actually true, but while most will do this not all guilds work together or for the good of the server on ET.

No server will be free of jerks, trolls and drama queens. I understand that losing and throwing money at a pointless fight can be hard, and stress with drama builds undue tension.

I say.. lets all take next week off. Seriously.

We have been at this 2 months non-stop, I think we all earned some R&R, so Lets just take the week off, FC and their new alliance can get their licks in against SF, and we can sit back, slog a brew and laugh at the chaos as it unfolds for the week.

I don’t know how other servers handle it, but on ET, we don’t have mega guilds that focus on WvW, we have a lot of guilds that have members that enjoy WvW.

Most of our guilds (TAC, Mend, KWBH, TFoR, and a few others, My own included) can field normally around 5+ people on the field, with some fielding larger forces depending on the time of day.

We also don’t fight with a guild style mentality, we fight as a server, a legion of one, no matter what the guild tag may be. We raise, defend, and follow command, anyone willing to fight for us. This the people we put on the field, may as well all be in the same guild, even if our tags are different, we are all Eredon Terrace Defenders, and we will fight, to the very last one of us.

It was clear that ET wanted a truce with FC, not so much an alliance.

But like most peace talks, ego, pride and drama tore it asunder. Human nature, no one person to blame, just the nature of war and games I guess.

Venn.7623:

The ET players who swooped in from behind went straight for my guys first and when there was a downed SF player they wouldn’t even bother finishing them, they would finish the FC players first. I even caught 3 ET players cancel their finishers on SF players. I don’t know, it just seemed kittened up cause we already only had a small group of maybe 15 people against a growing SF zerg.

I find this odd. Make no mistake, when the fighting starts I am not looking at who the invader is, I am just seeing red names that need to die.

I also heard on the map chat that one of our players got teamed up on by an SF player and ET player and once they finished her they bowed to eachother and split off.

Well, I will say we do have some people from SF that have opted to make second accounts on our server, soooooo…

Kay.5416:

It’s like an awkward roommate situation. Might as well make the best of it.

This is summing it up for me at this point.

Pizz.3698:

Quick tip to ET, when you capture a keep or push back invaders, make sure to sweep around for siege. It’s the 2nd time this week that i was able to use siege at a keep without having to build any.

That would mean that we were under the impression we could keep said point, the reality is, we took it, got the karma, exp, and rewards for that, and we moved on. If you take it back in 5 min.. then great.. more EXP, Karma, and Loot for us.

But yah, we should destroy siege, It gives EXP when you destroy it 668 exp @ level 80 for a cata, (I finally paid attention to it)

Venn.7623:

Where the hell is ET? LOL

If you look at the map you will see we are in Garrison. Not sure if that is us in Green or not, that could be your people, but, mostly likely that is us there too.

Punch.4231:

A video showing 2 fights from the last couple of days. 1 vs. FC and 1 vs. ET

We are hugely outnumbered, but the FC and ET zergs have so many uplevelled players and inexperienced WvWers that they are relaxed fights.

Maybe the FC and ET vets should take a couple of weeks off WvW to powerlevel and gear these poor guys up. That’d get us out of your hair and prepare you for HoD or whomever. Just a thought

Most of us level up alts on WvWvW.

Nuzt.7894:

If you guys spent less time making T8 threads and more time playing GW2 you might actually improve your situation.

How exactly?

What do you think, you think I am going to magically pull a legion out of thin air because I took did not put up a forum post?

Seriously, the problem is that T8 has warped numbers due to Free Transfers screwing up the system, what exactly do you expect me to do about that in game?

First: We don’t avoid anything.

Secondly: The volume of times we have had FC and SF on our borders, had given us pause to question if FC and SF have an agreement, and while the people on SF have openly admitted that it seems some of them do side with FC we are not sure if this mutual in both ways.

Manoa.5897:

Ungood.3054:

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

I disagree that it’s PvE only. I do this daily on my chars, it takes a few minutes to get my Mes up and then I invite guild members to come as I port them and their alts up, usually then someone rotates out and I port my alts up.

2-5 minutes for ~20 badges, 2+ siege weapons, and a chance at rare loot (i.e. precursor), is far faster method of obtaining those rewards than just killing players in maps; especially when the enemy is lacking in numbers and is hardly anywhere to be found.

….and what you just described is not purely PvE.. How?

Meh, there’s nothing wrong with purely PvE tasks in WvW. The devs have always indicated their intent for WvW was to be a blend of PvE and PvP. If folks want to do some of the PvE tasks that are available in WvW, all the power to them. But no whining and complaining if PvP happens while doing PvEs in WvW.

Woah there, don’t start putting words in my mouth, I never said there was anything wrong with it. I just said it was purely a PvE thing, like Vista, Poi and Skill Points.

Detharos.3157:

we’ve at least maintained enough composure to not threaten to quit the game over our issues, we’re trying very hard to be reasonable.

Maybe that is what we did wrong, we did not whine a threaten to quit if we did not get our way. Not to say a great many of us have not quit over this moronic problem, but maybe we need to make a childish fuss about it to be heard?

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

I disagree that it’s PvE only. I do this daily on my chars, it takes a few minutes to get my Mes up and then I invite guild members to come as I port them and their alts up, usually then someone rotates out and I port my alts up.

2-5 minutes for ~20 badges, 2+ siege weapons, and a chance at rare loot (i.e. precursor), is far faster method of obtaining those rewards than just killing players in maps; especially when the enemy is lacking in numbers and is hardly anywhere to be found.

….and what you just described is not purely PvE.. How?

You want to be a good commander you need to do 2 things:

Get out in the field and fight. Take that silly blue Dorito chip off your head and slog through the trenches with the grunts for a bit and Learn who you are fighting alongside.

Then see what the other guys are doing. You want to command then all the tactics, books smarts and stuff is worthless, just focus on Learning your Opponent.

Once you know who you are fighting with and against, you will know what it takes command.

Everything else is puffery, imho.

Anya.6015:

Ungood.3054:

“kitten” is the sub word here on the GW2 forums for when we curse.

Actually… that’s pretty funny.

Anyway, I was originally going to grind the jump puzzles for the badges (leading to my n00b posts) but I found running in zergs more fun (although I still like the puzzles), and I’m not going to switch servers for my map completion anytime soon, because I like my Ferguson’s Crossing friends. See you on the Eternal Battlegrounds.

YAH! That’s the spirit!

So when they see you holding that legendary, they know it was bought with Blood.. THEIR blood!

Scumbag Mawile.6384:

Seriously though, the reason people do the JPs is because a legendary requires 500 badges of honor.

Did Anet intend people to grind the JP for two months to get their legendary? Of course not. It was an incentive for PvE players to go experience WvW and something that was both challenging (as a legendary should be) and smart on their part. What better way to get people to experience all aspects of a game than requiring it for their shiny PvE item?

This has been my feelings on it as well, the JP in WvW map is purely a PvE thing, just like Poi, Vista and skill points.

and I fully respect willing to stop by and get a few free badges from the JP if there is someone there that can help you do the JP without, you know, doing the JP LOL.

Anyway, I hear you guys have a puppet there that helps you with that, that’s good fortune to you, but as you said, the JP offers nothing to the server, either by camping it, or doing it.

Free Siege is a misnomer in my book, as I think it is easier to kill a player in WvW then is it to jump around some puzzle, and given the numbers that SF is putting on the field lately, there is zero shortage of badges around. But truth be told I wanted to play a puzzle jumping game that was reminisce of Mario World, I’d just go play Mario World.

But as with anything, what people enjoy in a game is their own thing, we are not required to all like the same things, hence why there are many ways play, different classes, races, and avenues, like WvW, sPvP, and PvE.

haven’t had any urge to do a JP, but, meh.. I might try it out one day. See what all the fuss is about it.

Anya.6015:

OK, I suppose that as someone who doesn’t even understand the term “kittening,” I probably have much to learn here. In any case, I gather that it’s time to try to organize (or join, if there already is one) a big zerg mob of Ferguson’s Crossing people working on their WvW map completions rather than trying in vain to do it diplomatically.

“kitten” is the sub word here on the GW2 forums for when we curse.

While I personally find it lame to camp a jump puzzle, as most of the people there are PvE players doing exactly what you are doing, just trying to finish something. I guess a jump puzzle completer title thingy, not sure.

But I have all my WvW maps complete and have not set foot in a jump puzzle, mainly because I do not like jump puzzles, and doing some Mario Brothers Bullkitten while dealing with a ganker, is not my idea of fun,

Nuzt.7894:

If and when SF plls out of T8 it will just be more QQ posts asking for X server to destroy X server because the new T8 server is dominating the matchup. We will never see the end of T8 QQ’s.

-shrug- only time will tell.

Only a WvWvW player would run off a cliff to their death two times in a rush to get to the fight… three times…. dangnabit.. four times…..

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Dat ET Garrison last night, holy hell.

Break the west wall get west gate to 50%~ and get pushed out, bring a golem army to watergate, get through inner, get pushed out. After two or three different siege placement for mid gate finally get in, and slowly work your numbers down to the point that we rush in and cap it.

It was tremendously fun, do it more often please :P.

Sidenote: It was the running joke of the night that we were fighting your entire server at the Garrison. So does that mean I could have had my guildies guest over for lag-free dragon events last night :P?

I wish. I was there in Wood, and we destroyed your Trebs, and then like 4 people are like “Gonna go do Shatter”.

In the middle of fighting at AH, we are dying, fighting bloody death from all around us, and I am reading guild chat “Jormag overflow triggered the event”

I was in the Garrison, running 2fps and my isp decided to have a puke fest . GAH. It was blast tho, I got like 60 badges, My best night ever, I swear, loot must have a restraining order against me. but, none the less, that was some crazy stuff last night.

This morning however was kinda fun, as you trebbed our tower from our keep that you took, dropped the wall and then ran in like sheep to your deaths. Pity I was not able to stay, but that too was quite fun.

You all stepping up, has made us step up, been a grand battle all over the place, now, if only we could get more people to the field then our die hard hold outs…..

titanlectro.5029:

Tei.1704:

All the threads of tier 8 servers complaining are annoying, but justified. However, basing your arguments regarding which server should move to tier 8 on nothing but old wvw scores and guesses is just moronic.

Exactly. It is a statistical blunder, you cannot extrapolate that far, especially because it is not a closed or stable system.

I said I would let the numbers talk. But I just want to make 2 minor points.

First: You both do know that each servers Glicko score is result of every match they ever fought. Thus the very method you are decrying is same very system that placed you into the tiers you are in, facing the opponents you are facing. Figured you might want to know that.

Secondly: Sorrows will pull out of T8, and it looks like if they keep it up, they will be pulling out in a week or two, assuming they don’t shoot themselves in the foot. Which means one of the people in T7 will be falling to T8. Now I have no control over who that is, nor do I care who it is, you all need to work that out among your own three man motley matchup. But, with how messed up the numbers are now in T8, who ever does fall down will never leave, until such time that Anet fixes the problem. So, you all might want to fight your best to make sure you’re not the one that goes down the rabbit hole.

Jeknar.6184:

I’ve stated that already, but they don’t seen to read long posts…

Well. SF will pull out of T8 eventually, assuming they don’t have people on their side trying to undermine their efforts. If last night was any indication of their desires, then they very well might pull out this week.

In either case, when they do pull out, I’ll let the numbers do the talking.

Till then it is all just dust in the wind.

ET Morning Crew! Looking good and kicking kitten

Seraphx.4152:

Thanks for the numbers but you haven’t taking account of the free transfer that time. Kaineng gained more people in week 1 than week 52.

Oh I have taken them into account, hence why I used 2 weeks that were right next to each other, as opposed to longer apart match ups.

Also, Can you prove this, or is this a campfire story that gets retold by people to justify why server x did worse then server y against server b?

I don’t think you can prove Kain got more people in week 1 then they had in week 52, as gamers (especially those that do PvP) are typically egotistical, and few things are chest thump worthy then being there from the start, IE: it is better to have been there in week 52, when they were in T8 then week 1, as “I was there from the start in t8” give far more cred then “Oh I jumped on the bandwagon when they hit t7”

Just saying.

styx.7294:

But really keep it to yourself, none of us can do anythin to sort your stuff out and it’s not our responsibility to.

No I don’t think I am going to keep a broken system to myself thank you very much.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

There’s no point to comparing the Kaineng that was in tier 8 for months to the post-migration Kaineng that plowed through 4 other tiers just as badly as tier 7.

You’re right. I but am comparing POST-Migration Kain across all the Tiers it stomped. IE: Week 52 to Week 1

Lets look at that shall we:

Week 52: This was after Kain received it’s Powerful forces, after War machine joined them. This is Post-Migration Kain.
Kain: 501
FC: 48
ET: 38

The very next week… This is the same Kain that was in Tier 8, just last week. Week 52.

Week 1:
Kain: 548
GoM: 36
HoD: 26

See that. T7 did worse then T8, against the same opponent. But then again that has been what T7 has always done, always done worse then T8 against the same opponents.

Look at DR’s numbers:

Week: 49: Tier 8
DR: 378
FC: 124
Kain: 109

Week 50: Tier 7
DR (Same server that was in T8 last week): 532
SF: 41
HoD: 39

Just been the nature of T7 to be less then T8, because we have to work harder to get out of this hole.

Week 1:
FC: 215
SF: 211
ET: 189

Note: SF had been doing better then HoD for quite some time, and just had a bad week before Kain pulled out of T8 or else it would have been HoD in T8 just the same. Luck or they kitten of GoM when GoM got a surge of players. But really HoD was not doing better then SF and SF got a surge of players in week 3, which.. HoD has been showing rather dismal and constant numbers, so, SF today has far more manpower then the SF that used to be in T7.

The problem with the system was Free Transfers messing with it

They should do a reset now that Free Transfers are over, so everyone can go where they belong.

Figured I’d give a Score Update. I’ll leave the art screen shots to the master and just give a bland update with numbers and commentary.

I will say, SF has picked up their game something fierce, did school let out or something? Because according to someone on SF you guys are pulling a Queue tonight and, wow, the numbers you are pouring into our BL is insane, I mean we kill you without end and you just are swarming the whole place.

anyway.. score.. and going to bed.

anyway.. score.. and going to bed.

King Amadaeus.8619:

yes I know Jek is king of the screenshot lol, and also couldnt post the super secret text…too lazy to cover it up properly.

You realize this is LAST weeks topic right?

Current Match Discussion is here: 3/15 Sf/Et/Fc

King Amadaeus.8619:

Lol I was Mend while on ET

Mend is good people. But your not with them anymore.

Meh. What your point, if you have one? You left ET to be one of the 1500 Cosa members so you could fight for FC? LOL.

Anyway, thanks for the efforts tonight, made more badges tonight then I ever made before, I might hit the 100 mark if you keep this up, and me and loot have a very estranged relationship.

King Amadaeus.8619:

Ungood.3054:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Ungood.3054:

King Amadaeus.8619:

And as far as your intent I will let your words speak for themself, but as you can see tonight, like I said we are in your backyard, get used to it. :P

You have been there for 9 weeks now, that news is so old, I think it grew a beard and wrote a book.

Witty….thanks for the loot bags!

Meh. I would thank you, but, honestly, I only know of person from SF, a Mezmer from King that stands out, everyone else is just a sea of dead green.

Yeah I dont remember you much at all either from my time in ET, PK was a small guild from what I remember back then.

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It was, only 400 members.. quite small

But I don’t remember you at all, or the guild you left and the guild you joined had a rep long before you became a member.

King Amadaeus.8619:

Ungood.3054:

King Amadaeus.8619:

And as far as your intent I will let your words speak for themself, but as you can see tonight, like I said we are in your backyard, get used to it. :P

You have been there for 9 weeks now, that news is so old, I think it grew a beard and wrote a book.

Witty….thanks for the loot bags!

Meh. I would thank you, but, honestly, I only know of person from SF, a Mezmer from King that stands out, everyone else is just a sea of dead green.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Oh, and do you get XP for destroying siege? Cause thems alot of XP in that line of rams…

I don’t think so. But not sure

King Amadaeus.8619:

And as far as your intent I will let your words speak for themself, but as you can see tonight, like I said we are in your backyard, get used to it. :P

You have been there for 9 weeks now, that news is so old, I think it grew a beard and wrote a book.