Guild Wars 2

Another one?

I know it’s the flavor of the month to make a fuss about the numbers trap that is T8, but, from the ET side of things, T8 is looking kinda fun right now.

Don’t believe me? Then come on down to ET or FC and see for yourself. Small fights, lots of open field battles, and small tower defense, a ton of room to do your own thing, and play your own way. With people on the field all the time, yet there are no super massive zerb balls or Queues to get into WvW.

We really have the fun part of the WvW dynamic by the kitten ton.

And while the numbers are pretty meh, that is because ET and FC have mostly shifted focus away from playing a Points game and moved to the battles, open field fights, 3 way 2 hour long land battles over a single supply camp (Yah, you heard me, a 2 hour three way battle over a supply camp) and while anyone could see that it was not worth the points, it was soo worth the fun we had doing it, and thus the points are not indicative of the fun and good times the people on ET and FC are having now.

Maybe stop on down and see, The ET Forums or even our Eredon Alliance members.

Zorion.7504:

What do you guys think of this.

Really.. really.. really.. bad idea. If Anet wanted to make WvW a mindless kill fest, they would have, they put a lot of effort into making it so that it was about battles, not head counts.

ninjambo.3784:

VK has returned home to Fort Aspenwood. Id like to thank everyone on SF and ET for the fights, and the great people that I met on Fergusons Crossing, keep up the good work!

Hey guys. Was great having you down here, I hope as you leave, you leave a legacy behind. I also wish that FA welcomes you home to much fun.

In other news. I got WvW map completion tonight on my Alt, thanks to Agg again ransacking sections of SF BL. Kudos guys for the fights, deaths and 7 badges. I guess that finishes the “hard part” now I just gotta get the remaining 97% of the map -sigh-

Ohai.8346:

trust me VotF are NOT coming here lol. I may be friends with them, but they are exactly where they want to be and we are not interested in “stacking” a server or even looking at the scoreboard or coverage. We came here to get away from the 80-100 man blob zergballs in tier 1 not go back to it, just good clean fights at mid-pop range (10-50). If we climb a couple tiers eventually thats fine with us, but we really dont want to hit the higher tiers again for the zergfest reason.

Glad to have you among us. I an quite happy that you have found what you are looking for in WvW. And you’re right about what is fun, so, Lets have some fun out there.

By the way. Thank you for the Fights, I just made 500 badges, and I think, I am one of the few people who can make the claim to having a Gift of Battle and never have done a single WvW jumping puzzle.

Also. Shout out to FoE (I mean Agg, my bad) thanks for the Rush on the SF BL, was great, That got my alt almost total WvW map completion (my main got it a while ago). Just missing one last spot.

I am sure FoE raided SF BL too.. but I was not there for that.

Just be thankful we can’t rally off your pets or illusions.

DisplayName.7802:

Ungood.3054:

ErlendR.6107:

Saruon.4085:

Half of these posts don’t even make sense.

Totally agree -.-
ppl linking wikipedia wtf o.O

I wanna read about fights ><
I want screnshots with rivers of blood

This good enough?

Hi Ungood!!!
Pls dont report this post <3

Hi Back.

Please Don’t report this post either

ErlendR.6107:

Saruon.4085:

Half of these posts don’t even make sense.

Totally agree -.-
ppl linking wikipedia wtf o.O

I wanna read about fights ><
I want screnshots with rivers of blood

This good enough?

SniffyCube.6107:

Ungood.3054:

I have not been trying to slam them, but the truth hurts. Everyone that ever fought them, even after they asked for an honest critique, has told them the same thing. They have the numbers but not the skill.

Their hostility to that assessment is where all the drama lies, not in the assessment itself. Case in point when ET asked for an honest assessment, we did not get much of a better score then SF with the analysis of “made of glass”, however, we at ET have politely accepted that and moved on.

Take that as you will.

Comments like this need to stop.

Like what exactly? That ET accepts that we have issues, and need to work on things?

That we can’t give an honest breakdown of what we think of a servers skill overall? Are we to gauge every 1v1 battle, or every 3v3 battle on a server as a whole? We make our calls on what we know, what we have seen, and what we endure.

There is no doubt that SF has skilled players, every server has their masters and skilled players. This is just the nature of the game and gamers as a whole.

But, when it comes to battles on the field, this is what I have seen. I see in most Siege and battles, SF out numbers us, I see that in some of those cases, we win, other times we lose. And, lets be real here, ET is not some super WvW server. We are disorganized on the field, spouting the same problems of people not following commanders, but still we beat larger forces then our own. What do we attribute that to?

Well, that would be something called the Homogenization effect. What that means is when you put together a large group of people they will equalize to a uniform skill level. Big words to mean the Noobs bring down the Pros so that everyone becomes Average Joe.

So when you hit a field battle, or siege fight, you are not playing against 20 – 30 individual players, but two forces that have equalized to a skill level. What that means is that if One group has 50 people and the other 30 and the 30 people beat the 50 then the people in the 30 squad homogenized at a higher skill level then the 50 people. That is not to mean that each group did not have highly skilled players, or poorly skilled players. But the overall skill of the group is affected by the majority of the players.

If SF is fielding larger forces, the reality as it may be, they may have a lot of numbers that are, if I could throw a word out, I would say, maybe apathetic about WvW and are only in for the fun of the fight, maybe get a badge, or a kill, but they are not serious.

However, the use of bolstered numbers has proven in history to be a great tactic to win, This is a great post on the subject.

Now. Ok. if it makes me a bad guy to point that out, I guess it does. It does my server a disservice to say “SF you need to step up your game if you want to pull out, right now you have the numbers but that is not enough”

Then it makes me a bad guy to say that. I hope that they will one day listen, reflect, and go “hey, maybe we need to do more then what we are doing if we want to really pull out” but I see I was wrong on that stand.

Sorry for that offending some people.

SniffyCube.6107:

I think we can really learn a lesson from these forums.

I can’t speak for other servers, but ET we’re better than this. Why do people get on here just to complain about numbers? It’s obvious they have more but it’s also not the only reason they win in some situations. Sure it’s the backbone of the score right now but I’m talking more of the individual group fights / open fights that happen (because it’s really easy to defend a fully upgraded tower / keep), but they aren’t all bad and trying to slam them just makes you seem really childish.

I have not been trying to slam them, but the truth hurts. Everyone that ever fought them, even after they asked for an honest critique, has told them the same thing. They have the numbers but not the skill.

Their hostility to that assessment is where all the drama lies, not in the assessment itself. Case in point when ET asked for an honest assessment, we did not get much of a better score then SF with the analysis of “made of glass”, however, we at ET have politely accepted that and moved on.

Take that as you will.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

And then a guildie links me to a post in the ET forums about how badly we were ‘trashed’

If you are talking about the Eredon Terrace Forums, I don’t recall a post about you being “trashed” in WvW that was made public.

Voilodion.3791:

If 40 vs 20 vs 20 is really what you want, take a server transfer to T8. We have exactly that (especially this past week), and it does periodically include coordinated attacks on multiple targets, locking down waypoints before major assaults, and so forth.

This.

I play on T8, and it sounds like what a lot of you are looking for.

Normal size groups range from 15 – 30, at max, and that feels rather massive to us. To even see 50 on any team is amazing.

The numbers do go down as you go down the tiers. And you’re right, I have not seen the Zergs of T1, but then again, the Zergs of T8 sound like what you want to be a part of.

So as opposed to asking Anet to mess over the system, consider moving to a tier that has what you are looking for in WvW.

I like larger groups. It gives that epic feel to it. That legion of people, that feeling of massive Siege Warfare that WvWvW is supposed to be about.

The truth is, If Anet wanted everyone to run in >20 man teams and kill each other wantonly across a field in skirmishes , they would have made that the game objective.

They didn’t, they have a system in place that encourages larger groups of players to work together to capture a point or points.

Personally, the people on SF who wanted out of T8, should have taken the chance to jump to HoD or some other T7 server when the door was opened for you.

Not to be rude or anything, but, this has all be talked about before. Did we really need yet another topic?

Straegen.2938:

Svarty.8019:

Nobody cares. And in other news… Zergs still not tackled by devs.

This makes the assumption something is wrong with zergs. Some people (not me) actually like running in them.

^This

They are not going to fix something that is not inherently broke.

back to the Topic:

I have 2 Characters, 1 for WvW and 1 for PvE. Since PvE builds do not transfer well to WvW and vice versa, it is just the way I ended up playing.

To each their own on that.

Loken.9724:

ET you were no different. This tier is made of glass. It’s already been mentioned.

From what I’ve seen of all your servers (and I looked around before choosing one) FC had what I liked. Under dog. Community Ts3. Server forums. Forum posts about getting better. Will to do harm to others.

And you are not picking on ET in my book either. In Fact your honest critique is refreshing and appreciated.

Again – Thank you

I admit that ET has a lot of room to improve and I admit I am as much a part of that problem as anyone.

Manoa.5897:

Ludicrous.

Perhaps, but I still bid you a good day and a good game all the same.

McViolin.8547:

As someone from ET, I wholeheartedly agree. I use to command all the time, but after a lot of our players started to go into mindless zerg mode, I got so frustrated, I just didn’t tag up anymore. The only way I tag up anymore is when I run a guild group going. The mindset needs to change, I am sick of the whole " we are better just because we are outnumbered". We need to start getting organized ourselves and train all our people. As for the forums, I got tired of the match up forums, it degenerated to near troll wars 2 from all sides instead of anything constructive

Yes.

We are sloppy and it seems we have become far worse as time has gone on. I could theorize as to why, but, in the end, that does not matter, what matters is while we still fought on the field, we gave up on winning and thus we gave up on being a team, working together and moving up.

And we need to work on that

Just a friendly reminder. ET is still a Medium Size Server.

Thank you.

Loken.9724:

as far as SF is concerned. WAY to much glass. thats the glaring first thing we noticed. We melt you guys so fast its ridiculous. I am just going to assume its a lack of running toughness gear.

You also seem very scattered. Do you not have a community ts3 running? If you don’t, get one. its a MUST to have in higher tiers. I mean you seem to have the sheer numbers to be a couple tiers up, which is leaving me to think that the pvp skills/knowledge and communication must be the problem. Thats my honest opinion with only having played 1 night in wvw against you guys.

Improve alittle on any of that, you will move up. You got the numbers.

Thank you

We have been trying to tell this to SF for a long time now, and our reward was to have what we said met with snark, attacks, rage and hate, and.. well. lets just say they did not take it well at all, which is why, 9 weeks later, they are still here, they are still stalling, and T7 is laughing at them.

Maybe they will listen to you, when they would not listen to us.

Parktou.4263:

P.S. stop hatin on BC cause he left, he got frustrated and moved on, everyone else should too.

I (Like many others) have nothing but good things to say about BC, he will be missed on our side, and wherever he has moved to had gained a great commander for their cause.

geekanerd.4123:

South Park moment.

I think I learned something today. Instead of kittening and moaning and being kitten heads, we should just give one another cookies. The world is a much friendlier place when that happens.

True this

Well the new WvW Patch has really changed the way I look at things, and with such a target rich opponent as SF, who would not want to come to ET for the endless loot to be had.

If you like endless opponents, then ET is the place for you, Never ending supply of players willing to throw themselves at you, is what ET has to offer, so if that is your idea of fun, come on down and enjoy the killing, just try not to die in the process

Advent.6193:

I’ll just say this: The amount of folk we had in FC last night … let’s do that again. Hell, bring me more berserked Fergs!

Yah. You guys got some peeps on the field now.. dang!

Good show all the same. lets hope that the increased interest does not dwindle too much.

wyther.8372:

THANK YOU ANET FOR RUINING OUR SERVER.

So many transfers we now have queues. I have long been outspoken about people wanting transfers to come to our server when people would post it. We had it rough but we had a good place. I didn’t transfer to kaineg because I didn’t want to be on a huge server.

Son of a kitten!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now I will have to leave the server I enjoyed to go to a bottom tier 8 server once this one sky rockets up. GAH i’m so mad right now.

Holy kitten… people actually came to our server ?

Darek.1836:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Glorious-Fergusons-Crossing/first#post1702874

yah. No offence. but someone who bailed on FC for BP, is not really the pitch man I would listen to about the endurance of FC players

ET has the larger WvW population currently hence why we are holding second even if there are entire organizations on SF that make it a point to attack ET every chance they get, so it would make the most sense to move to ET in mass and build a solid WvW Server that could hold it’s own. maybe all the people on FC that had taken a break could take this moment to come to ET for a few days, check it out, and see if you want to stay, you have the whole week to decide and you could just transfer back to FC if you did not like it.

Atho, if we really wanted to be mean, Et and Fc could just jump to HoD, and shoot them up, and thus leave T8 with 2 dead servers.

King Amadaeus.8619:

He said as his 60s level Ranger ran from my puny 30s level necro last night near the flag just south of garrison. :P

I am sure you were just too busy to own me honestly.

Eh? I can honestly say I have no idea what you are talking about, I do not think I ever got to the point of even seeing the flag outside of the south of garrison (assuming you mean the South West gate Flag) because as you can see, there was quite a few people between me and it.

But none the less, as others have pointed out. Wrong Topic.

They changed how WvW works now, and they are giving people a chance to revisit how they stand in their current server, and allowing lower population servers to balance out a bit on the overall show.

In that avenue, it is a good move.

Nothing will fix T8 other then a Numbers reset, so I don’t think their intention with this was to “Fix” the Glicko Sinkhole of T8.

You are Looking for a Server to Call Home?

We all want that, we all want a place where we can be known, where we can be hero’s and not need to worry about politics, or joining alliances, or needing to be part of some super mega guild and end up a nameless/faceless peon of a servers legion.

None of us like the idea if needing to play a kiss up game while trying to play kick down doors type of game.

In Eredon Terrace, we don’t have politics in the sense that you need to bow to anyone else. If you show up, do your best, you will get known, you will have people who will respect you, and people who will know that by yours and our efforts we have turned the tied of battle.

If the idea that you will be free to fight as you like, to pledge your allegiance to no-one and yet still be called a fellow brother and sister in arms by near everyone, then Eredon Terrace might be the place you want to check out.

No matter what server you chose, I wish you a good game.

King Amadaeus.8619:

Again, I hope you guys get the help you need, nothing personal toward ET/FC, but I would hope that the same people that have been VOCAL on these forums about free transfers “ruining their server” would not change their tune just because you THINK it will benefit you.

Free Transfers will not fix the number problem. No matter what happens.

I mean make no mistake, fighting the same lop sides match up week in and week out, is the stale toast on the plate of WvW.

But if they in the end give us balanced matches where have enjoyable fights, that is better then the nothing they have been doing.

Make no mistake the system would still remain broke at T8, the only way to really fix that is by resetting the scores and starting again, this is more a band aid on a gaping wound, but it is still at least, a band aid.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

- These zergs often take an anti-combative sentiment, in that as soon as they are met with relative resistance, they run away to another Map. (Which in turn leads to a game of hide and seek.)

I for one am insulted at this accusation.

behold the Anti-Combative nature of Eredon.

You are Looking for a Server to Call Home?

We all want that, we all want a place where we can be known, where we can be hero’s and not need to worry about politics, or joining alliances, or needing to be part of some super mega guild and end up a nameless/faceless peon of a servers legion.

In Eredon Terrace, we don’t have politics in the sense that you need to bow to anyone else. If you show up, do your best, you will get known, you will have people who will respect you, and people who will know that by yours and our efforts we have turned the tied of battle.

If the idea that you will be free to fight as you like, to pledge your allegiance to no-one and yet still be called a fellow in arms by near everyone, then Eredon Terrace might be the place you want to check out.

In either case, I wish you a good game.

We have Free Transfers to Medium Populated Servers this week, which means some of you will be considering moving to a new home, a place shall we say, to have the freedom to do what you do best and be recognized for your efforts.

Consider Eredon Terrace.

Unlike other servers we do not have mega WvWvW guilds, we have many guilds, both large and small that have members that contribute to WvWvW because we enjoy it, because it is fun and challenging.

In Eredon Terrace you will be free to move as you like, set the times you want to play, and use the tactics you have learned and developed no matter how traditional or unconventional they may be, and along the way, you will find that we as a server, as individuals, and as fellow guilds, want to help you succeed, because when you win, we all win.

Make no mistake, every server, and I mean every server will have it’s drama issues, any server that tells you otherwise is lying to you, but Eredon Terrace does not have politics in the sense that we do not have any guild you need to kiss up to or alliance you need to prove your worth to join, or anything that will impede your ability to be known, respected, and allowed to make a name and difference for yourself.

In Eredon Terrace, your efforts alone will make you renown, no one else controls your fate here, no one rules this server. You will not need to bend knee or offer homage to anyone. In Eredon Terrace you by your own hand can become a hero among us.

Unlike some servers, we are proud of our people who enjoy WvW are willing to fight on the fields with us, our battle brothers and sisters, and we let it be known that we respect and appreciate when and where we have the numbers to win, we do not shy away from giving praise where praise is due, no matter the guild tag or time played.

When you come here, we will take joy in your arrival, pride in your presence and proudly proclaim that is by your efforts that we are moving us ahead.

So if you want to make a difference, if you want to be known and respected, and want to know that your presence will be felt and appreciated, come to Eredon Terrace

See our Official Recruiting Thread here: Transfer to Eredon Terrace

So it’s broken and does not work right. Thanks. Was wondering what the problem was.

The description says: Entangle your foe. They are immobile until the vines are destroyed.

Apparently that until the vines are destroyed is a typo.

What abilities allow classes to bypass Entangle. I just had an elementalist jump out of roots twice on me now and seemed pretty much immune to all my crippling and chill effects.

If anyone could shed some light on how to deal with a class that can bypass our elite skill, that would be handy.

Shanks.8793:

And please Manfred I am sick of your drama in ET don’t bring it here in the forums.

If you need. The Eredon Terrace Forums will be glad to provide you a place to post your drama and rage.

I Monk For L O V E.7528:

Jeknar.6184:

Here is my ranger with my country colours… (And some ugly octopus on the guild chest)

Jesus jek, how often do you hop guilds

As far as WvW is concerned in ET guild tag is pretty much meaningless. It only matters for PvE and if the guild does events you like, like bounty or stuff like that.

He could make his own guild tomorrow and be welcome among anyone’s ranks because, when it come to WvW, we all fight as one server.

I am looking froward to what march brings. But we shall see.

I Monk For L O V E.7528:

THERE IT IS! katz admitted to having a bunch of people. And im still not sure why you didnt defend with atleast 30 people. We were running around tower to tower with 5 people

Oh sure. We tons of people, hundreds if not thousands, it’s a well known fact that SF only wins due their amazing tactics and skill.

I Monk For L O V E.7528:

Yeah i ran behind their zerg and jumped on the stragglers and then a thief came running in after during the 3v2 part it was prob more along the lines of 4v2

3 people standing around counts as a “Zerg” now? LOL.

I Monk For L O V E.7528:

Which still amazes me, considering you have atleast 15 more players then us right now, you could wipe us at whatever you defend

nope Ya’ll go right on and take it. Have fun.

Vynt.5218:

If your WvWvW is so superior, “1 spirit, 1 mind, 1 Sword” how you said it, why is ET still in tier 8?

Because 1 sword, 1 mind, 1 spirit, does not do much when you only have 3 people on the field, and 2 are missing swords LOL

Server Size != WvW population.

We are a medium Size server and thus could do well to get a few people out to events and stuff like temple openings, and what have you.

Our WvW community is quite small, all things said and done. Equally so a medium size server could have a massive WvW population if that was what they focused on.

But, ET is mainly a PvE server, we make no bones about that which is why we are T8, we do have people who enjoy WvW and those of us who do it, are quite good and tenacious about it.

We have room for anyone and any play style here on ET.

I Monk For L O V E.7528:

Time to cap everything back, cause we all know ET disappears once they have to defend something

Yup, Have fun

I Monk For L O V E.7528:

Thanks for giving me something to finally do tsmorning ET

you mean of course, something other then getting owned by an up leveled ranger

I Monk For L O V E.7528:

Oh and so much for always being outnumbered katz.

Do you mean like this morning?

Orange swords everywhere and yet we are still outmanned.. Does that mean Ferg has hundreds of people on the field this morning?

I Monk For L O V E.7528:

Ungood.3054:

I Monk For L O V E.7528:

I would also like to put ungood, it was 3v1 to start with, so i really dont wanna hear any of that.

LOL. It was just you and me buddy when I pinned your backside to the wall, the other two were not involved. One was downed thanks to that Thief and the other was reviving them. Which, explains why that Thief could take the moment to take a cheep shot at me from behind and thus saving you.

But meh, such is the nature of WvW.

i think you missed the part where i came behind the gate you just took down at bay and jumped into atleast 3 running in :/

nope in fact we all kinda laughed that you did a jump attack and then ran past us and though the green door while the gate was down

I Monk For L O V E.7528:

I would also like to put ungood, it was 3v1 to start with, so i really dont wanna hear any of that.

LOL. It was just you and me buddy when I pinned your backside to the wall, the other two were not involved. One was downed thanks to that Thief and the other was reviving them. Which, explains why that Thief could take the moment to take a cheep shot at me from behind and thus saving you.

But meh, such is the nature of WvW.

The Up leveled ranger that downed you was me. Thought you would like to know. yah, your thief buddy had to save you.

Great Post.

Eredon is looking for more people to build our community. I have no idea how that is hard to understand.

As far as our wvw tactics go, you let that not compute, the only way to fully understand is join us and see how we roll.