Just a quick question. Did they add the LFG tool yet, I just roaming around the net and saw that Anet was planning on adding it into the game?
Nope, the only thing they said about the LFG tool was it’s coming before the end of the year. How much before the end of the year is anyone’s guess.
Not turning into, already is. The only people still defending it and call it as SSS/A+ or whatever max rank are on this forum. Everywhere else you go and talk to people who’ve played this game for hundreds of hours call it shallow and the most casual mmo on the market.
Every single patch what do they do? Add ‘mini’ things, gem crap and free reward for everyone. What do you think we’ll get next patch? I let you guess, its easy to guess…
When am i gonna read patch notes and see “we added a brand new weapon for every class, a brand new dungeon bigger and more challenging than anything previously in gw2, we added new kind of pvp”? Hmmmm let me think~~~ IN THREE YEARS…
Strange that everyone your go to people not playing this game people say bad things about this game. Anywhere I go, any MMO outside of WoW, I hear TERRIBLE things about WoW. What a coincidence.
This MMO is a game changer. Like it or not, in the future, more and more MMOs will be using systems made popular here. Take a look at ESO, it’s like Guild Wars 2 set in the Elder Scrolls Universe.
You don’t like the game so you have something to prove. Why is it people who like the game are wrong but people who don’t like it are right? lol
So wait… the living story content is temp too? They aren’t just adding new pieces as they go, but removing the old as they go, too?
No way, that can’t be right. That’s too stupid to be right >_> Someone tell me that’s not right
The temporary content IS the living story. That’s the content that’s temporary. lol
Holographic projectors were created originally by the Asurans who are quite known to make the occasional dangerous device. That’s perfectly in keeping with lore.
The idea was to create practice nodes for people to fight dragon minions, which is what comes out of them. And as Asura often do they went a bit overboard.
After the Sky Pirates were revealed, they would sabotage about half the projectors to summon them instead of creating holograms.
“Big” patch.
Good one.+1. But im sure fanboys on this forum ‘enjoy’ all the ‘mini’ crap they release
Fanboy or not fan boy has nothing to do with the size of the patch. Say what you want about the quality but for a two week patch, this is a pretty kitten good size. And yeah, lots and lots of people are enjoying the content. Sorta why people play games one would think.
The conversion rate is ridiculously long though. Do the math – a full set takes 5×6= 30 days approx 1 month. Sneaky way to get people just to log in even if they are not going to do their daily.
Is it sneaky? I thought it was quite obvious. lol
People didn’t quite over fractals…they quit over the introduction of ascended gear. Fractals happened to be how you got them.
Having any type of rewards from HoM means you actually worked hard for it. So in turn, you are indeed deserving of extra points. Gw2 is connected to GW1 in terms of lore. Makes perfect sense for your current character to enjoy some love from the past.
I agree that the the GW1 HoM hard work should be rewarded, but never never in a numerical way! Doing this, Anet is in fact setting a handicap for the players that never played GW1.
Love is a funny word. If they are paying 500 AP to you for the “Love”, what makes you ppl? “Loyalty” should be all about pride! Showing how you played GW1 hard = cosmetics!
Oh I agree. I don’t see why this reward was given…but I’m apparently in the minority.
“Big” patch.
Good one.
You have to excuse Nick. He doesn’t like this game, doesn’t accept the fact that plenty of other people do like it, and so he comes into threads to heckle people’s comments. Yes, it’s a big patch. It’s not a patch to your taste maybe. There’s plenty to do for people like me.
Why don’t you go find a game you actually want to play?
lol, I love how all those that are defending this, already played GW1, and benefited from the extra AP.
Again, you didn’t achieve any of the given “500 AP” in GUILD WARS 2. If they wanted to reward you more than just titles and skins, they should have came up with something other than AP.
Oh and I bet many, who never played GW1, paid more real life money in GW2 than those who did.
Why would you bet that? It’s a strange statement to make. Are you implying Guild Wars 1 players are cheaper than non-guild wars 1 players?
No Vayne, it’s an statement based on the general satisfaction of the GW1 players on the forums… If you seek GW1 in the forum you read mostly how GW2 is not GW1 and how they will not invest in GW2 due to that fact… The sad truth is that the GW1 ported community are elitists who don’t actually see how unfair to the players that didn’t played GW1 this measure is.
I’m not by any way despising their work on GW1, but it’s already been ported in the form of cosmetics. It should always be that way. GW2 is not GW1, and neither should hand any numerical advantage of somesort! It’s clearly unfair to the players that played other games instead of GW1.
It’s hilarious that people keep saying that AP are meaningless, yet in the same post they defend the AP increase. And that they call achievement hunters elitists, when these GW1 veterans are the ones exhibiting elitism themselves.
^ This i agree. I also don’t care about my AP, but i can understand if some players want to be competitive in that way. Any form of numeric increase over time will always make competitiveness, although trivial it may seem! So what right have we to make it less important than other goals?
For me Ap from HoM shoud be = 0
Give them capes, give them kittens, give them more skins, i don’t care at all! It should be more than enough of a reward! If that isn’t enough for you, your not a loyal fan, but a plain beggar!/cheers
It’s not relevant that most Guild Wars 1 players on the forums are dissatisfied with Guild Wars 2…because most players on the forums are here to express their disatisfaction. More to the point there are tons of people walking around wearing their GWAMM title.
There are a hundred people in my guild and about half of them have played Guild Wars 1 to different degrees. And they all like Guild Wars 2 as well.
Don’t let the loud vocal segment of the population convince you they’re the majority. They MIGHT be…but I suspect they’re not.
That’s all they’re doing with GW2.
Watering everything down to make it more accessible and catering to people who want everything to be handed to them with no effort at all.
Not my skill level? How about this – practice?Waiting for the JP that wll require a single space button press to finish.
Clearly a JP like this would be great because players with any skill level would be able to finish it without any problems, right?
I’m sure from your point of view it would look like that. Actually many many people DO practice and STILL find jumping puzzles hard.
Did you not hear the Australians screaming that the lag makes certain jumping puzzles a lot harder? Oh right you don’t care about people playing overseas. They don’t count because they can’t be as uber as you?
No, Anet is not just making stuff easy. They’re making it accessible, because MANY people still find jumping puzzles challenging. You just don’t have the ability to see anything outside your limited point of view.
No mainstream MMO is going to be made just for hard core players and because content takes time to produce, the hard core players won’t be the first satisfied. There simply aren’t enough of you.
As for practice…lol. Right because everyone has so much time to practice jumping puzzles. This is a game, not a living. It’s not even a sport. It’s a past time. It’s recreation. It’s something people do for FUN. And practicing a jumping puzzle probably isn’t fun for a lot of people.
I’ve done all the JPs, the problem I’m having is that they’re all too easy, and no, I’m not using portals.
Halloween JP was the best, it’s sad that ANet listened to all the crybabies and bad players and decided not to ever make anything as “complex”.
Actually it’s not a pity that Anet listened to the bulk of the players and ignored the proud few who think they’re so important that even though they’re in the vast minority they should still have games made for them.
Listen to you. Crybabies and bad players. Very nice. How about people who don’t have your skill set. True champions are gracious when talking about people who can’t do what they do.
Frankly I’m glad they changed the game to make it more accessible to a wider variety of players. More players is better for everyone, except for a few elitists who do nothing for the community anyway.
The biggest reason for permanent contents:
Casual gamers wouldn’t be forced to play in even’ts peroid, if they have time to explore it in their own speed.“Do it now or never” is a hardcore style. I don’t get it…
Casual players would NEVER catch up. If Anet introduced content and left it there, and you were casual, you’d either do the current stuff or fall further and further behind.
And good luck in six months getting a group together for older dungeons.
I see a lot of this sort of thing. People who came, tried to play the game like a standard MMO, and then found that this game can only really be enjoyed by changing your approach to MMOs generally. It’s a real learning curve.
Really glad you’re back and enjoying it!
I definitely got that achievement outside of my personal story.
lol, I love how all those that are defending this, already played GW1, and benefited from the extra AP.
Again, you didn’t achieve any of the given “500 AP” in GUILD WARS 2. If they wanted to reward you more than just titles and skins, they should have came up with something other than AP.
Oh and I bet many, who never played GW1, paid more real life money in GW2 than those who did.
Why would you bet that? It’s a strange statement to make. Are you implying Guild Wars 1 players are cheaper than non-guild wars 1 players?
Mesmers can do everything in the game. At lower levels, they do kill somewhat slower though, but they more than make up for it later on. They’re good in dungeons, they bring a lot of utility to dungeons. And they’re great in PvP and WvW.
I think as time wears on….. and on, and on, more and more players are starting to see the negatives of the temporary content of the Living Story. And as time wears on Anet will see the faults in their design decisions, as it’s already starting now with the backpedaling we see from dev posts. If they want to keep the majority of their players, their mission statement will change.
Thank you op for your post and insight. Keep up the good fight.
What backpeddling are you talking about?
Excellent post op. Would love to see a move away from the niche content.
How can you say with any certainty that this is niche content?
I agree with Vayne on this. WoW and Gw2 have radically different and opposing design decisions.
Well yes, that’s true enough, but the way Vayne was putting it, he made it sound like that there was no way of comparing the two, despite the similarities.
What I said was that there’s no way to compare say the amount of content in an 8 year old game compared to the amount of content from a 10 month old game.
And to some degree it’s the same with variety and even balance. All these things take ages to achieve and even after 8 years, people STILL complain about balance in WoW.
Basically you can compare some things, like graphics style. You can compare some features, but for the most part, it’s not really good or useful to compare anyway…except for mechanics you like or dislike….like whether it has the trinity or not.
Keep in mind both Lord of the Rings and Narnia are fantasy novels series, but I wouldn’t bother spending too much time comparing them.
It’s not easy to go back. I go back with guildies to help them get their 30/50 sometimes.
Look, Anet is never going to remove dailies from leaderboards. They want people logging in doing stuff every day. It’s why they’re there in the first place.
In a totally fair game, they’d remove them, but PvE leaderboards aren’t really meant to be competitive in the true sense of the word. They reward loyalty and dedication more than skill. That’s what you’re getting when you top that leaderboard.
Hell, some of the big achievements can be bought with cash…think about the golden and emperor titles. You can buy legendaries. It’s big money but I guarantee you some people have done it.
I don’t know, I use my ranger in PvE all the time, quite successfully.
There are always going to be people who won’t let you into their groups if you don’t ahve the optimal build.
So if you pug or you play with those people you’re going to have a problem.
My group has rangers in it who have completely every dungeon in the game.
My guess is if you’re an end gmae player where end game is the whole reason for playing, and if you pug a lot or you’re goign to join a competitive guild, don’t take a ranger.
If you’re a more casual player or you join a casual guild, if you’re not that into pugging then a ranger is fine.
So when you say “optimal build” Is that just a matter of ‘any class that isn’t warrior mesmer or guardian." Or is it something more specific to the ranger itself?
To be sure, I don’t really mind if I’m not on the top of the heap, I just want to be able to participate.
Being able to participate is a matter of opinion.
Some people feel they have to do equal amounts of damage as everyone. We have relatively few warriors in our guild. People play what’s fun. We enjoy our runs. We don’t get them done fast.
Some people want to run dungeons as fast as possible to get the most reward per hour. For others that ruins the game.
You have to decide what kind of player you are. No one can tell you that.
Warrior is going to do more damage than a ranger. However, a lot of warriors who spec in full berzerker gear (to do max damage) end up dying a lot, because they suck. They then blame the party because they’ve gone down. Happens to often.
Sure a really good player can play a zerker warrior and hardly ever go down. But I don’t play with players like that, because generally speak that’s the run run run crowd and that’s not fun for me.
There are always going to be people who won’t let you into their groups if you don’t ahve the optimal build.
So if you pug or you play with those people you’re going to have a problem.
My group has rangers in it who have completely every dungeon in the game.
My guess is if you’re an end gmae player where end game is the whole reason for playing, and if you pug a lot or you’re goign to join a competitive guild, don’t take a ranger.
If you’re a more casual player or you join a casual guild, if you’re not that into pugging then a ranger is fine.
I never left, and still enjoy the game. But mostly I’m looking forward to what the game will be in two years time. It’s going to be amazing.
We already get a ton of stuff for HoM, we really don’ need anymore.
Well I don’t know about need or not need, but I think anything that the HoM gave you should have been determined before launch. Adding it now would only divide the community.
Yeah, 30/50 wasn’t that hard to get to. It was relatively easy. 50/50…not so much. What did you get for those other 20 insane points? 4 titles.
Was it worth it? At the time, Guild Wars 1 was my game of choice, but because they were coming out with Guild Wars 2, Guild Wars 1 was barely being upgraded and the content (when it did come) was less than stellar. (Winds of Change anyone).
What some people aren’t understanding is that in order to make this game they all but abandoned that game, and we waited for this game for years.
This isn’t just about whether Guild Wars 1 was fun or not. It was about whether Guild Wars 1 had anything new to do, and how much time you spent grinding out some insane titles at the end to get that 50/50 that were distinctively not fun. Yes, most people did those titles specifically for reward in Guild Wars 1, not because they’re fun.
There’s nothing fun about most of them. They were just grind. But there was reward associated so most people did them.
In the end, though, it is a different game, and I don’t think we need to be rewarded for having played it, since I got five good years of play out of it.
But make no mistakes…the work to get to 50/50 (instead of 30/50 when you ceased getting items), was huge. It’s why most people didn’t do it.
Which is why you have GWAMM title. What is funny though is having that title most likely prevents from using any other title, making achievement titles in GW2 worthless for you unless you want to lose the most important ‘flaunting’ point of GW1 slavery.
That is, sometimes having a reward prevents from further enjoyment. I feel this way with my Black Widow spider, I feel compelled to use it most of the time simply knowing of the time commitment I put in to getting it, and being far past the ‘point of enjoyment’ with GW1 at that time.
I have a lot of characters…but I only wear GWAMM on one of them, thus that comment doesn’t make sense from my point of view. The character who wears it is a completely egotistical Asura mesmer named The Great Imagio. Most of my other characters wear other titles.
And btw, it’s totally possible to get 50/50 points without getting GWAMM.
I always like phasing. You do a quest chain, follow a story line and you see the results of that story in the world. And it will always stay that way as a reminder to you.
Phasing came with some major drawbacks though, including making it harder to play with friends. So if you were on a quest chain and at a different place in the chain, you’d be seeing different stuff than your friends and they really couldn’t play with you.
Anet made intention design decisions (including downscaling) so people could play together. They simply don’t want to divide the player base any more than they have to.
True, I do agree with your point, but all this temp content is making the player base shrink. Anet needs to do something more compelling then temp content and achieve grinds…and even if phasing has its issues at least the content is compelling and worth talking about to others. Plus it will always be there for other players who ask the question: “What did I miss?” At least I can tell them and they can still do it, phasing or not.
In this scenario its like:“What did I miss?” I reply “A new cool dungeon and mini game” Them :“Oh that sounds fun, Ill go play that!” Me: “Well you cant. It was temporary” Them: Loses interest logs off.
I’m not convinced the player base is shrinking from what I’m seeing based on overflow servers in the new content.
But of course, this kind of content pulls lots of people out of the world.
The only people who know if the game population is shrinking is Anet and I strongly suspect if this temporary content was shrinking the numbers, they’d do something different. Since they’re not, and in fact they’re doing more of it, I’d say, logically it’s been successful for them.
On what basis do you claim the number of players is shrinking?
Hmm, I’m having log in problems since the update…I crash about every 20 minutes, but I did get to try the new content, as did my wife, who’s finished a lot of it. Even though we’re in Tasmania, we’re not having the same problems some Australians seem to be having.
That said, I love the jumping stuff. No problem with it at all.
Yeah, 30/50 wasn’t that hard to get to. It was relatively easy. 50/50…not so much. What did you get for those other 20 insane points? 4 titles.
Was it worth it? At the time, Guild Wars 1 was my game of choice, but because they were coming out with Guild Wars 2, Guild Wars 1 was barely being upgraded and the content (when it did come) was less than stellar. (Winds of Change anyone).
What some people aren’t understanding is that in order to make this game they all but abandoned that game, and we waited for this game for years.
This isn’t just about whether Guild Wars 1 was fun or not. It was about whether Guild Wars 1 had anything new to do, and how much time you spent grinding out some insane titles at the end to get that 50/50 that were distinctively not fun. Yes, most people did those titles specifically for reward in Guild Wars 1, not because they’re fun.
There’s nothing fun about most of them. They were just grind. But there was reward associated so most people did them.
In the end, though, it is a different game, and I don’t think we need to be rewarded for having played it, since I got five good years of play out of it.
But make no mistakes…the work to get to 50/50 (instead of 30/50 when you ceased getting items), was huge. It’s why most people didn’t do it.
I had been under the impression that that would only be available for the duration of the event…but I don’t know why I had that impression.
Sorry that’s the best I can do.
The 1k achievement box hasn’t been given out yet to anyone. That’s tomorrow.
Today you got the 100 and the 500 (if you were up before the daily reset).
Almost a year later, there are traits and runes still bugged. Pathetic.
The tPvP meta game is broken.
A lot of legendaries still lack good animations. No excuses.
Still no player housing nor GvG.
ArenaNet cannot figure out the difference between build diversity and playstyle diversity, I need to school them in video game combat design 101.
Celestial gear takes a full 40 days to make 2 weapons and 6 armors. A timegate, way to step backwards, just limit dungeon tokens and crafting completely if that is the mindset.
I cannot care for this new area, weapons or armors.
For some people doing good is impossible.
To me it seems ignoring those people would be most efficient.
Of coarse, lets ignore important issues. Then you’ll never see GvG, player housing, a fun and integrating (and functional) trait system, truly one of a kind legendary weapons, a balanced and fun PvP, and my favorite spending months crafting armor and weapons.
It’s great they are adding new content but improving the old is more important.
You’ll never see GvG because Anet decided not to put GvG in Guild Wars 2 (and said so repeatedly). You will see a guild hall eventually, but not yet. You’ll also see stuff like a looking for group tool.
Programming progress always takes time. Some people don’t want to wait and that’s okay.
Some will come back, some won’t and that’s okay too.
But stop blaming the programmers for your inflated expectations.
PvE’ers are trying to be like Frodo
A whimpering weakling who constantly needs to be babysitted?
I guess you didn’t read the book.
Actually I have. Does a joke need to be an accurate representation of the truth?
Of course not. But then it would leave my post looking sort of silly, me saying people want to pretend to be Frodo. When I first read Lord of the Rings (a looooooong time ago), he made quite the impression on me. I’ve grown up a lot now.
Now I just want to be treebeard.
Sure. Anet didn’t ask you to compare a game that was many years old and has zero relevance here with a game that’s ten months old. It’s not a fair comparison and it makes that particular opinion all but unusable.
What can Anet do with this particular opinion. They can’t have 2, 3 or 4 years of content now. So this particular opinion gets wasted, which is fine.
In the mean time, other people read this opinion and think maybe this guy has a point…but I don’t think you have a point and since this is a forum for discussion, I can say that I feel you don’t.
Anet asked our opinions. This is my opinion of your opinion. It’s sort of how forums work.
This argument is SO flawed.
Zero relevance? They’re in the same genre for crying out loud! I’d say that was pretty relevant. If Kaaboose was trying to compare GW2 to Team Fortress 2, then there would be little if no relevance.
Also, you’ve effectively said that if a game is older, you can’t compare it with a new one. That is most certainly not true. Try comparing something like Battlefield 3 with Call of Duty 2 (two games in the same genre, both made by different companies, one older than the other… same as what’s going on here).
There are things that can be compared that’s obvious. But the amount of content one game has over another shouldn’t be. At least not be anyone who has any amount of common sense.
Sure you can compare combat systems. It’s sort of a weird comparison because they’re completely different and have nothing to do with each other, but you could.
But a lot of the people comparing stuff, are looking for a game with three or four years of polish and no game so far in three or four years has been able to deliver what people are asking for.
Is this is the industry’s fault? Is it the expectation of the players?
Yes, I’m saying that any game that’s eight years old better kitten well have more content than a game that’s 10 months old. If it didn’t it would be a failed game. A travesty. Something that isn’t worth your time getting into.
WoW is, arguably, the most successful MMO of all time. It’s had numerous expansions. It rode the coat tails of Warcraft, a popular RTS game. The company already had money. Guild Wars 1 was a first attempt by Anet, from a smaller company that almost didn’t make the game. They ended up going to NCsoft when they ran out of money.
Guild Wars 2, though a sequel, is still new territory for Anet. The company is way smaller than Blizzard, doesn’t have the advertising dollars, has a smaller staff, and on top of that, doesn’t have a monthly fee.
Can you compare them? Sure. Go for it. Does it HELP to compare them…maybe not so much. WoW has had years to polish their game. The launch was a disaster. No one wants to remember that. I wonder why?
If people continue to hold new MMOs to the standards of a rich company that has been working their game for years, people will continue to be disappointed. It doesn’t even matter what the MMO is.
You’ll see the same things in every MMO forum. And it’s not because WoW is a better game. But it’s certainly got more content. How could it not?
I’m not in love with the new achievement either. I just did the Obsidian Sanctum last month to get a cache. After an aborted try (because there were too many of the enemy camping the puzzle), me and a few guildies made a concerted effort and got through.
But it took a long time and I didn’t particularly find it fun. Why? Because the guys who KNEW the puzzle, knew just where to stealth, just where to knock us back. We did it because we wanted the achievement, and I’m guessing we’ll do this one too.
I think there should be some harder achievements and some easier achievements, but something like this is unfair to servers that don’t have strong WvW presences. I mean I’m on Tarnished Coast. We’re a tier 2 WvW side. Some servers are going to have trouble, even if they can get themselves a group.
It’s just not that simple. Success or failure for an achievement should depend on your abilities, not the strength of your server.
PvE’ers are trying to be like Frodo
A whimpering weakling who constantly needs to be babysitted?
I guess you didn’t read the book.
ow i don’t agree with repair cost, btw, for a pve player. pve players are definetly those who get most “gold” fro the game. 11s with full broken armor is affordable to any serious pve player.
this argument is like those about wp cost.. really? can’t spare couple silver?
Depends on how much you die. Seems to me that it’s quite easy for someone experienced and really specced right to take down a PvE’er quite easily.
I’m a bit of an exception, because I actually don’t mind PvP (and in fact do okay at it), but for most PvE’er’s it’s not 11 silver. It’s 11 silver over and over again.
Fighting AI is not the same as fighting people. Obviously the more people you fight the better you get, which has happened to me. This isn’t working so I try that…which works better.
But what you probably don’t understand is that for a lot of people, they enjoy “playing the hero”. It’s very easy to do that in PvE and very hard to do that in WvW. You know, you can run in and solo a champion, and you feel like a god, then you go into WvW for map completion and some thief tears you a new kitten. Not great for the ego.
So it’s a different mindset from the beginning. PvPers love the challenge, PvE’ers are trying to be like Frodo or Aragorn…maybe even Gandalf. It doesn’t look good when the first guy you meet beats the crap out of you.
wow you’re taking this really hard. Maybe go outside? Take walks more often?
I find it always helped me when I started thinking about things like my KDR & accuray stats too much in FPS’s…Didn’t get my post, trying to be funny. Well done my son. BTW, since when being FPS nab gives anyone qualifications to organize other ppl outdoor activities?
Read up on some stuff like rankings, competition, fair play and even ground, e-sports and all that. This game apparently had ambitions to be e-sports game. And it has ppl in development team who have no clue about leaderboards, ranking etc.
Whatever FPS game you played, did other team start with point advantage just cos they played previous release? No. You getting a picture now?
To be fair, PvE was never meant to be esports, only SPvP was…and that’s a whole different subset of the game. The PvE leaderboard has nothing to do with esports (as much as I agree with your other concerns).
To me communities make games..and this particular community is divided enough. Are those points so significant that it’s worth the fall out?
Not in my opinion.
Ah, you see now my point about ascended eq. Except, of course, the fallout about HoM is nothing compared to the November 15th debacle and it has truly divided the community, and to a far, far greater degree. With a much more serious impact on the game itself (which is not hard, because HoM points have exactly zero impact on the game as it is).
Yeah I hated the descended stuff too…not necessarily in practice but in what it did to the community. We need a bit of unity and we need design decisions that foster unity. I begin to wonder if such decisions even exist.
PvE is a big deal, sure, but they’ve been talking about ways to reward PvPers better for ages, this just rubs dirt in our faces. GW2 was marketed in part FOR PvP (because of the PvP success that was GW1)
Okay, while I sympathize with your plight, this at least is not true. Guild Wars 2 was in no way “advertised for PvP”.
Most of the advertising the vast majority of it was PvE. For example, the demos they took to shows for the entire first year were PvE only. While PvP was clearly talked about, the focus was specifically on PvE. And when someone asked Anet why that was the case, why PvP was hardly mentioned, Anet gave this reply (and I’m paraphrasing here).
Guild Wars 1 was known as a PvP game even though for the last years of its existence it received far more attention to PvE. In fact the last two products released by Anet, Nightfall and EotN had no PvP updates at all. The entire expansions were PvE. In Guild Wars was the cash shop and Hall of Monuments achievements were also predominant PvE. Guild Wars 1 went through a transformation and the PvE players were the one actually carrying it forward…which is the reason for the shift. And a lot of PvPers continually complained about how the game had become PvE dominant. It’s well known.
Anet said (and again I’m paraphrasing here), that they spent far more time talking about PvE, because they wanted to break people of the assumption that Guild Wars 2 would be a predominantly PvP game. They did say they would have dedicated teams for both PvP and PvE but the actual promotion was PvE-centered, not PvP centered.
However I do hope that PvP players get more rewards, and options for achievements and better gear.
How does one forfeit the other? They set it up in tiers. All you have to do is earn more points and you get to the next tier, and possibly unlock more weapon skins then. I’m not seeing the issue, since you’re constantly earning points and can eventually unlock everything.
I don’t get it. Because you don’t mind (or want the armor skins anyway), I am not supposed to be bothered, either? Read the forums, I am not the only one who does not want these armor pieces at all. If there were a choice between another weapon skin and an piece of armor skin, everyone would be happy, this includes you. So why exactly are you against this proposal?
Either way you’re gonna get them both for free, so why the heck are you complaining?
Because they are not free.
Actually they are free. They cost you neither gold nor money. That is what determines whether something is free or not. In theory, you could even have quite a large number of achievement points just by playing a game.
Unless you equate playing a game to working (which some people do…but I don’t), then these skins are indeed free. In fact, you can’t buy them…they simply unlock.
I agree that dailies and monthlies should be removed from the leaderboards too. And I have all of them.
If Guild Wars 1 fans weren’t getting enough for being Guild Wars 1 fans, you’d think there’d be some heavy debate about it before this on these forums.
This has nothing to do with entitlement. You guys are the ones kittening. I’m just defending the fact that we shouldn’t have points revoked because you guys didn’t play GW1 – which is an achievement category Anet decided to include in GW2.
What have I kittened about? Tell me, I’m interested.
I have the points. All of them. I have 50/50 in my HoM. What didn’t I get? Tell me, I’m interested.
If Guild Wars 1 fans weren’t getting enough for being Guild Wars 1 fans, you’d think there’d be some heavy debate about it before this on these forums.
There was a lot of debates about Anet abandoning the GW1 community that allowed the game to be even made. I for one i am glad that at least to some degree they still remember (even if not in the most important cases).
Well I’m at 356 on the Leaderboards now and I had been over 500. It seems like a very big jump for me considering that the work I did to get this was all done years ago.
Untrue. If all that work has been done years ago, you would not make neither rank 356, nor 500, nor any significant number of achievement points. You don’t get 9k points for nothing.
And remember, that the whole argument is only about those who already had enough points to be on numbered places or very close. About people that put a lot of effort in this game.And as far as Anet making changes nobody asked them about, i find it ironic that usually you’re the one that defends them and me that attacks them.
Is it because this time far less people are concerned with this change than usual?
I’ve always been of the opinion that this game has some flaws and that it has a long way to go to become a great game. It’s a good game…with a lot of potential. I’ve never said Anet was perfect. And I always advocate balance and fairness. That’s what I’m about, more than taking sides.
Honestly I can see your point of view, but I can also see the point of view of people who didn’t expect this at all. It was off everyone’s radar.
I’d normally be quite happy with getting extra achievement points for something I did a couple of years ago…but not at the expense of dividing the community.
To me communities make games..and this particular community is divided enough. Are those points so significant that it’s worth the fall out?
Not in my opinion.
Well I’m at 356 on the Leaderboards now and I had been over 500. It seems like a very big jump for me considering that the work I did to get this was all done years ago.
I’m still wondering in what world is this fair.
All I meant by that comment was that for the time investment and effort involved in achieving 30/50 or 50/50 players could have been rewarded with more stuff – even if it was just GW1 related. What I said in the text that you quoted from me had nothing to do with the current discussion. Any one of my posts in this or the other 2 threads about this issue will tell you my exact thoughts on the subject but I am going to enjoy the game and not continue to post here.
This thread has run its course. As someone mentioned in another thread, Living story achievments got boosted up too. Better make a thread about that too, right? Have a fun time in GW2. Try not to be too upset that others have stuff you don’t.
What is it that others have that I don’t. I have 50/50 in my HoM and I daresay I have more achievement points than you do and I don’t care about them. At all. I simply acknowledge the fact that others can care about them.
The fact that you’ve now repeated that I’m whining about stuff I don’t have in two different threads shows your lack of attention to what’s actually being said.
Easy enough to look up my points in the HoM if you don’t believe me.
Ok once again. Less than I’d say 10% of all GW1 players even got 50/50.
Make that less than 10% for 30/50. 50/50 is definitely way less than 1%. Lot of whose are no longer playing GW2. And lot of the remaining ones do not have enough GW2 achievement points to end up in numbered places on Leaderboards anyway.
And if they are high on leaderboards, it’s because they worked very hard for it, and definitely deserved it.If there’s a problem anywhere, it’s in Leaderboards, not in HoM. And in mentality of some people.
By the way – from what i have seen, some of the living story achievements got bumped as well. They can’t be done anymore. And yet i see noone raising hell about it.
This should be the last post of this thread. Very well said and great point.
It should be the last post in the thread because you agree with it? LMAO
The problem is that Anet changed something that no one was asking them to change thus causing a problem. There wasn’t any real reason to change it. Now that they have, people are understandably mad.
I don’t see why you can’t see that those who care about leaderboards have a legit point.
Because I’m tired of you and the other two whiners carrying on stomping on the ground pouting that others have stuff you don’t. Get over it. Like I said in the other thread, I am done discussing this. Enjoy the game. I will enjoy being rewarded for what I did in the previous game. Sorry it makes your back side hurt.
Me and the other two whiners. OMFG hahahaha.
1. I have 50/50 in my HoM and the GWAMM title. I have a legendary weapon. I’ve never complained on this forum about something I didn’t get.
2. The only one whining here is you. You’re been given an unfair advantage on the leaderboards and you can’t see that it’s an unfair advantage. I’ve been given that same advantage and I’m saying it’s unfair. In what world is that whining.
3. You apparently aren’t able to separate what’s fair from the objective point of view to people who are already playing a game from your own sense of what you think you personally deserve. That’s not a problem with the game or even the other people “whining”. You’re coming off as very entitled.
If Guild Wars 1 fans weren’t getting enough for being Guild Wars 1 fans, you’d think there’d be some heavy debate about it before this on these forums.