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I’m wondering why I even bother bringing in logic if it will just get ignored.
*sigh*
Oh. Right. Because people are dead set on single-player RPG storytelling in an MMO. And they want everything to be because of them.
lol
and now I’m wondering why I even bother with answering. No point when everything is answered with mithical magical power of logic that overwrite every argument
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Oh. Right. Because some people are dead set on legendary impassable MMO boundries that can not be crossed to not casue travel in time paradox. And they want everything to be trivial, because You know. 5th person with simillar background, character and narration is something to be expected from devs who have in their ranks some really amazing storytellers.
…did You even read what I wrote, or You gave up after first counterargument?
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She’s done a lot to deserve it. I’m not sure how you haven’t noticed any of it. Unless, of course, like most gamers you bypass all dialogue in the Living Story then ask why things don’t make sense.
Agree on disagree. Above fact that she was given information about den on silver platter, she did nothing above nothing more than riding players back. I don’t say it’s wrong or something – but look at Braham and Rox to see it can be done with more grace. So – if Flame&Frost is in same universe and in same line of storytelling, I can assume (like majority of players) that Ellen actually did nothing more than claim outcome of our deeds and talk in our name with some higher NPC figures. Let’s say You have one thing right – all she “did” was dialogue, so if someone skipped it, he/she skipped whole Kiel involvement.
I saw Ellen Kiel actually going around reviving/healing members of my group when we ran the Aetherblade Retreat. She is the first NPC in the history of the Guild Wars universe who doesn’t think it’s cool to act like a suicidal chipmunk and spend most of any combat faceplanted on the ground.
Never saw that – maybe mine was broken or maybe… wait. I couldn’t witness that. My team was reviving her all the time, no one died if I reacall. But if she did that, it’s actually cool. Good to know
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This has gotten away from the OP though. Pretty much the OP is right on, we constantly have people taking credit for the work we do. This isn’t new, and it won’t stop. It’s part of the same old bs in MMOs. “Oh we couldn’t give the player power, because that would..um…because…well you see….o.k. so um…if we did you guys would be bored…yeah that’s it”. No, it’s just lazy writing.
And I can drink to that ^^
Finishing it with quote from our own Ellen Kiel “I’ve stood by the people of Lion’s Arch in good times and bad…” – where word “stood” carries the ultimate meaning of whole phrase.
I will vote for Evon for several reasons.
1) Fractal. I see lot of people saying that we don’t know what happened in Thaumanova. Actually knowledge is somewhat similar on both topics. All we know about Fall can be closed in short sentence on wiki. Reactor? Similar lenght note on wiki + ingame blown reactor + spiritual successor in the “person” of CoE (if I got it right). Not that Thaumanova isn’t interesting, but it isn’t that interesting to me. On top of that – chance to see margonites, gods and crystal sea on GW2 graphics in contrast to another Asuran/Inquest stylish floating cube thingies… I don’t say that “turning worlds fabric inside out” can’t be reason to show something amazing, but same goes with gods power and evaporating sea. On paper Abbadon just looks better.
2) Personality of candidate. Evon seems like nasty pice of work, while Ellen proved to be boring to a point I can’t stand her. The only reason that would make me consider to choose Ellen would be a promise to remove choosen candidate from story. Hide her behind sealed door and never ever ever eeeeeevah show her sunlight again. Burry her under bureaucracy papers…
3) Most important – my imagination. What do You think will be the outcome (in story) of our choice? If Kiel wins, what will change? Maybe some struggle with bureaucracy here and there. Cleaning a mess that should be cleaned long ago (pirates roaming right below LA), maybe some organised help to those who need it around world (Lion Guards helping humans to settle truce with centaurs) etc.
What can evon give me? Well… did You played Dishonored? Think about it – greedy, two-faced, but actually complicated character, given a lot of power, ploting and scheming from the heart of bigest democratic city. In a world that is going towards steam-punk, filled with magic and with dragons shadow above head.
That sounds 100 times better to me. Can’t really find anything thrilling for Ellen – can’t say Anet writers will let us down, but she’s sooo… vauge, indistinct, neuter… and I’m generous enough to not throw to writers such a chalange. Writing for Evon sounds a lot more interesting to me.
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I didn’t said it can not be done. I said there is no real counter. People will find workaround for everything.
And let’s make one thing clear. Read. I’ll make it easier for You……easier to ask for a nerf right?
…You are talking about nerfing (whining to nerf stealth at least). Most topics about OPnes of stealth I saw was about fact that it can not be countered…
How asking for more diversity for other classes means nerf for thief? Point me exactly where I wrote that, because I’m confused.
well I have answered that there is plenty of ways to counter stealth, every class has some.
I have over 1300 hours spent on my thief and I can counter it with every other class I play, and when I have been beaten I don’t complain, I just look for my mistakes. People nowadays think they are all pros and cannot accept a defeat.
The real problem on this forum is that 11 months after the release there are still people that do not undertand how to counter thieves and it’s not a thief’s fault if they complain all day long.
One more time, slower. We started this in a wrong way.
1) It’s my opinion, You don’t have to agree.
2) I claim that there is no direct counter for stealth in skill/trait manner. I didn’t wrote it can not be dealt with – because sure it can. I wrote that there is no DIRECT way to do it on any class. I still belive I’m right to have my opinion, and on top of that – my opinion is right.
3) Ok, 1300 hours – bravo. I have only around 800. How much do You have on other characters? Because I was talking about cross class thingy.
4) where I wrote I am pro and that I can not be defeated? More than that – I wrote that on my thief (and only on my thief) I feel almost undeafeted, because it take great skill to actually force me to finish lost fight. And that doesn’t happen offten.
5) stop writing to me, like I’m hurt because my class wakittented badly by thief. I play thief. I just think that shifting weight from perma stealth to other activities would make Thief more interesting class – but it’s discussion for another topic.
The real problem on this forum is that 11 months after the release there are still people that do not undertand how to counter thieves and it’s not a thief’s fault if they complain all day long.
And that is perfect example of what I’m not talking about. Why do You bring it up post after post? Where the check was it written in this topic?! Do You even read what I write, because Your answers are so indirect, that I have feeling we are talking about absolutley two different things. I wrote that not all whining is pure whining – example “stealth” so whining aside. And You come back to whining for sake of whining? Whining I say! Whining on whining! And whining on whining is still whining
And You don’t find it strange, that after 11 months even casuals from hot join learned how to deal with everything except stealth? Sure it’s not Thief fault – I agree. 100%! That’s why I wrote, that in my opinion problem lies in other classes – they have no direct way to deal with stealth. You have direct way of dealing with confusion, with stuns, burning, clones, invisible stomping etc. Actually stealth and mes teleports are two exepctions. While I don’t see possibility to counter mes teleports without complitly ruining the skill, I do see many possibilities to work with stealth to make it more dynamic for victims, not only to a thief.
But hey – that is my opinion.
of course someone didnt read the topic and now is turning over everything XD
i writed about the engi becouse people say that is OP ,so i writed that we dont have stun break in the main build ,so for example just condis fear fear fear and ur dead
only about 1 prof u can say that is OP now : nekro
couse s/d thief and fresh air ele im not sure couse they are more single target builds
and nekro can destroy whole team(with support of course) if he is lucky or skilled
engi is very good at tourneys ,but not OP
Agree on that, but I really suck on engi. I really envy people with skills that can sqeeze some juice from this class
and discount of black KEYS so arena net do more more PROFIT the charr gona win !!!!
No one is forcing anyone to buy keys; if the sale didn’t draw out more people than those that usually buy keys or cause those who do normally buy keys to buy more, ANet would actually lose money.
Unfortunately, plenty of people are usually influenced to buy whenever they see sale in blinking lights.
MOAR blinking lights please!
Back on topic. Both of these characters are far from my favoure. Actually I wanned to protest and keep my votes, but hey. Abaddon – toooo tempting.
And actually it is better than real politics. I do belive Anet will make this fractal (no idea how good/bad, fun/unfun, lorefull/lorecrap it will be) and that is lot more than I’m used to. Wanna example? In my country, guy who won prime minister chair, deleted all his promises from web page and for all years didn’t even try to fullfill single one of them. When someone accused him of lieing (thing was throw into a court), judge said that no politician promise is binding, and they can lie how much they want. People – voters are to blame, because they are naive enough to belive politicians. And that was actuall judgment. “Our” prime minister even won some money on this – on defending his right to lie to people.
So yeah, talking about democracy. I’m taking my charr as he is.
…getting all the legendaries you want (i only have 3, gonna be 4 soon but that’s the last i plan on getting)…
Now officialy envy You mister! I envy You!!
No one will ever reach 10k achi. points except a very small portion of the player base. Where do you get these numbers lol ? These items need to be available for most of the players …
I’m in a guild made of people who will get there in this month. Come on – it’s not so small portion of people. Some get there sooner, other later but it’s only matter of time. On the other hand – I don’t think that every single reward in game should be forged and directed towards casual players. If one line of achivements&rewards is out of reach for casuals? Well, they still got 99% of content tailored for them.
These are rewards for people who play the game, not people who login once every 2 weeks (or less) for a couple hours.
Even saying that, there are rewards no doubt for people under 1k ap.
My thought exactly – thank You
Lol. So what – “everyone” wants this new system to be maxed out first day?
C’mon guys – I have well over 9k poinkt, going for 10k if I’ll do few missing things (close to that) and You want me have nothing to achive only because you (imaginary you – no one in particular) have 1-3-6k and want everything “NOW!”?
Gimme a break – I want some goals too – make a carrot for me – put higher tier unlocks aroun 25k achi points, or 50k, even 100k. I don’t want to get everything in day one and forget week later, just because some players have demanding attitude. Not my problem – theirs.We have to remember that Anet takes their casual players into very hard consideration. 10k achievement points is not very likely to be achieved by them even in a year.
Yeah, I know – but frankly speaking, there is not much to look forward to, when You have 8 polished characters. There is no long range achievements to get. Do what? Another legendary weapon? Too much boring grind for something that anyone can buy from BL. Another set of armors from dungeons? I’ll get them anyway, so yeah. There is not tasty enough carrot, and stick exist only in matter of loosing place on ladder that I do not care about.
I know that my hopes are poky at least, but I really wish, that AP update will bring something for more hardcore playerbase. That, or I’m one step closer to looking forward to Wildstar
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While I understand OP concern and point of view, I think this idea is like forcing flower to bloom by punching it repeatedly.
Issues
- Glory farming = zerging.
- 8v8 is an unplayable mess of AOE and spamming.
Yeah – I hate that too. But at least – there are some players playing now. It’s not like Anet didn’t see it was coming. Playerbase interested more in clean PvP moved to greener grass already (that’s my opinion). We’re left with what we got. If You take glory farming, zerging, 8vs8 from players who enjoy that, PvP playerbase will shrink even further. So yeah. Good concept, not sure if it’s good idea alltogether.
- No one defends points (key aspect of the conquest gametype).
Not newcomers/casuals fault, that main reason to play conquest doesn’t seem appealing at all. Look what Anet did with PvP daily some time ago – they turned medicore ideas to improve PvP daily into some horrific chores by absurdly bad execution. “New” abandoned daily, was promoting, no, not promoting – it was almost forcing zerg attitude. So they got back to old daily, that is only appreciating zerg attitude. Step back in right direction. How ironically. If You add to the pot those guys who like to do duels etc. You’ve got Your answer.
- No teamplay: general disregard for allies (doesn’t affect personal glory gain).
- Random joining / leaving affects teamspirit and social motivation.
Well… yeah. But I doesn’t see as a problem. Or big problem at least. It’s a hot join – I join there to do my daily fast way if the mood hits me. Or to farm some purple points. Or to kill some time before my guildies will gather for a dungeon. Join/leave anytime I like gives me flexibility, that You want to deny me, for reasons I do not understand.
If I want higher culture of PvP I go for a tournament. Premade that is…
- Lack of educational aids <> initial learning curve of the gametype.
Heh… tell me how to make this education thingy in more tournament environment and I’ll buy You a beer. I help from time to time strangers meet in PvP – the thing is that it doesn’t happen too often, because PvP is hazardous environment in almost every game. That, and the fact that I’m not super pro winning tournaments, so I’m no authority for even newcomers. But when I help people to learn something (mostly new to the game friends from RL) I’ll do it in hot join… because it’s easier. People don’t treat it as seriously as tPvP, they are nicer overall and leave game when they are asked politely, so we can waste as much time without arena tokens as we want. Can’t really see that coming without hot join.
- Varrying skilllevels makes it unenjoyable for both new and veteran players.
Disagree – it’s awesome farmfest. Sometimes I find people on matching skills or better than me, so I can’t even say it’s predictable. And there is something sweet with carrying almost singlehandedly a loosing team to a win. Never saw that in tPvP. There is no autobalancing there, best player on my can’t suddenly change his team to rise from knees other. Doesn’t happen to often
, but I was in that positions once or twice and I can tell You it feels better than winning tPvP match with good premade against good premade. Not as rewarding in term of points etc., but feels awesome.
- Autobalancing restricts playing with friends.
For this, You’ve got arena tokens and premade tPvP. So actually You say, You want to deny those who like that kind of russian rullete their shoot, because You don’t like it? … yeah. Right.
- Gap between Hotjoin and Tournaments on multiple fronts.
What is the “gap” You are talking about? That two different types of Conquest doesn’t seem clone like to You? I say GOOD. That was the idea. If the hot join should be more like tPvP, it would be unnecessary, so – as You imply, Anet should let it go. But it’s not, that’s why it’s still necessary however broken it is.
- Map rotation: no one likes Raid of the Capricorn.
For one – I like it. Actually it’s the best map (in my opinion) to work with newcomers on some easy tactic actions with proper coordination.
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And I can drink to that!
While I agree that we’ve got looooot of bad things in hot join, I doesn’t see cutting it down as an answer. I can live with semi-broken hot join if Anet will fix bigger problem that is corrupting PvP – the whole concept, borringness and apathy that is known as “Conquest”. And no viable rewards for anyone who bought GW2 to play only PvP (but again, that is my opinion).
Forcing people to play conquest more properly doesn’t change fact that whole mode will get old after 2 weeks of playing. With or without hot join.
Ok a lot of people still seem to have trouble getting this achievement… so for your sakes I’ll try to give you all a super simple explanation of how to attain it
If you want to do it the normal way, its easiest as previously mentioned to split the group up into the 4 corners and 1 in center for the barrage phases. Decide whose going where before hand and you should be able to outrun/dodge all the cannon blasts.
If you get hit or want to do the character swap method, I suggest you stay until all the cannon barrages have completed and your group actually kills Mai, yes kills her! Then you can go as far as to lower Horrik’s HP to almost dead before you switch characters.
You will need to have a group understanding of what you are doing so they don’t kill him before you return, as in running all the way back into the boss fight. While you are running back, your group will only need to evade his little cannon blasts until you enter the arena again, and yes you do need to re-enter the boss fight for the achievement to register. (I’d suggest hitting him a few times just to be safe)
Either method should render your achievement as completed so go get em kiddies!
Yeah, great. But the problem is, that even the exploit method is/was bugged. I did the dungeon 3 times without any (ANY) aoe hit me (during whole dungeon), before I went for exploit mode. I did the trick with dieing 3 or 4 times, and at least 5 times the trick with character swap. I got my achievement when I gave up and helped my friends to get theirs. I’m 100% positive that I wakitten by Horrik cannon during phase 2 and 3. And still got my achi. So yeah – it’s bugged like hell with or without tricks.
But Your advice is really good if someone didn’t tried it before. Will save many lives
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Done properly like 3 times (and in more inappropriate manner like 5 times) – stil no achievement. Because You know – it’s working as intended -_-
To make the whine more funny – I got it few hours ago. By dieing in phase 3 of cannonade… so yeah. So much for doing it right. But hey! I’m happy – same as it was with crab tossing! Got my achi by the bug, so I can sleep well, knowing that my inner completionist won’t judge me
I realized it doesn’t matter anyway, it’s just a game. It was supposed to be fun, not to get crazy every two weeks with new set of bugs. And now, when they introduced bi-weekly updates I won’t be able to keep up with the game anyway. I already spent 1000 hours in it, time to grow up.
Actually I’m close to this conclusion as well. It supposed to be fun, now it’s chore like thingy. Don’t get me wrong – it’s still nice to play and all. But it forces me to do what I don’t like (or at list – I do not fancy this on that particular moment) and on their terms. If achievements like “personal space” would be bind to permanent content – it would be ok. I will get this in my own pace, when mood hits me. But now? My inner completionist force me to get all that I can, and while bugs prevent me from getting what I deserve…
I allready gave up PvP (for same reason), WvW became dull as hell. Maybe it’s time to find different game. Something harder, less casual, with more freedom.
Guys guys.. I did really think the patch was verry bad at first too, but it opened up allot of doors. Its just that you cannot play the cleansing fire, LF, MF D/D build anymore. Just swap CF for the arcana shield/signet of air/AoE and you should be fine.
This patch actually made burst eles useful.
Yeah- I’m on the wagon as well. The patch opened so many doors for me. Now I can decide, should I stick with my Guardian, Mesmer or Thief?
No really – I have all classes (Guardian x2) and Ele was my main since day one. After last patch, there is so much love for other classes, so I barley find time to sit on my main character. And right after that I came here to whine. Go figure…
…And no, they wouldn’t kill off a class. No sane game developer would kill off a profession. That is going against everything you work to strive for…
cough Paragon cough GW1 cough
Anet didn’t kill it off, the players did
Only in PvP, only in PvP
…And no, they wouldn’t kill off a class. No sane game developer would kill off a profession. That is going against everything you work to strive for…
cough Paragon cough GW1 cough
To be fair, there was one viable build and you could even vary one skill which makes it almost like 2 builds!
Sure – I have an obsi and Vabbian armor on my Para, so she can show off both variations with style!
Hope I didn’t post again something that rolled through forums for too long.
For most of my GW2 time I played with elementalist. Staff one on top of that – so right/left clicking to choose enemy or loose target wasn’t an issue for me. It changed right after my Ele dinged to 80 – I made all sort of alts and change my staff build into more suitable D/D. Since then my heart is with every other player, who fight with targeting, not with enemies.
Probably Anet have some ideas how to solve it, but I’ll throw my 2 cents anyway. It would be great mechanic to use “show nametags” of enemies/friends to bound with targeting. Do whatever You do with right/left click targeting to fix it, because it’s shame after 9 months, that this kind of stuff still is in game, but… You allready have ctrl and alt to show enemy and friendly tags (I bound mine to Q and E, because I use the often and it’s hard to do with ctrl/alt with fingers long as mine…). Wouldn’t it be great to press ctrl and being able to click only only enemy target? Same with alt – press alt and no enemy can be targeted while it’s pressed (to drop fast revive from a pet or something similar). Think about it. You’re in WvW, in EB, making a ride on enemy SM. Two zergs collide like lovers in the rain and You can’t target anyone so You throw Your skills blindly, hoping it hit anyone – and that would be enough. What if You could press ctrl and target enemy through wall of Your own people. Because You see enemy, You know he is there – so why not to target him?
+1 for Cantha
+999 fpr Elona
Maybe I’m not the feedback You want, but I love some of those ideas.
Where it leaves me, as a “fanboy”? In the middle. Till now, GW2 was great experience. Amazing PvE (in my taste), nice WvW and a bit broken PvP. GW2 had great run and is still running. Playerbase is bigger than most games I tried had after 3 months, so it’s a huge positive. There are clouds in future, but there is also a lot of sunshine and I don’t believe that combined power of Neverwinter&tESO&Camelot can take down whole game in one blow, if Anet will be ready. None the less I do notice the danger. If I can help in any way? Sure – I will if I can. Can I? Well, I worked a bit in show business (at the end of the world), I spend lot of my time on writing fantasy stories (skritt those language barriers XD ), I was betatesting so many games I can’t even remember half of them, since the times that internet connection was luxury in my country (ah the 90ties, and You had to go to internet cafeteria to go with all the testing to even see some change money for it XD – sweet memories). I have so many ideas that can add something to this game… and You know what? I think it’s same with most of You, who were so brave and bored to read up to this point. That’s why we are here. And I don’t think Anet needs any of what I can offer to pull another amazing months of gaming for us, but it’s not why I wrote this text wall above. If any of this would throw different light on what is happening, I’m glad. Don’t fix what is not broken (that is why I still wait for a lot of fixes in PvE XD ) but there is always space for improvement. So improve!
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More about Living Story? I’m not satisfied – it’s good, but can be great. Anet have these amazing writers and I’m saying this as a person, who did some writing-for-living stuff. There is not enough (not even close) immersion. Not enough fraternization or even exposure with main characters of this stories. I know that Anet wants players to dig into story to find things, but hey – they are making casual gamers friendly product. So make casual friendly content, and leave this hidden underneath relish as a bonus for more hardcore players. Make some movie like scenes, where we (as a players) could really sense this iconic characters. Because now, they are lot of things, but not iconic. Don’t let me even start on Magister Sieran, Trahearne or rest of personal story characters. Lets the commentary for their “complexity” be the fact, that my buddy Lord Faren has amnesia, and don’t know me anymore. Simple idea to solve it? In Living Story? Make those NPC useful even out of those short story arcs. Example? Nicholas from GW1 – make this new guy (or at least I think he is new, I never met him before, or he was soooo memorable I can’t recall him) Canach more open to players. Throw around some evidence about evilness of Consortium, that player can pick up and return to him on map – before he will be useful to players. Before he will mean something in story. Like Whomping Willow in Potter series – it’s great, even if it’s reused concept, because the story takes us inside, by the things we knew before. Give this guy funny and interesting things to say, every time he interact with player – from really neutral “hey I need Your help, I’ll give You some karka shell if You fetch me this thingy I ‘forgot’ from Consortium camp!”, through “whaaa? What do You mean You’ve stolen this thingy for me? It always was ‘mine’ thingy” and “I don’t like those Consortium guys, come on – I’ll show You what they did…” into really conspiracy theory that could mark him as a character having well… character. Personality. Depth. Throwing another half baked guy into game and telling us who he is and how he is (look at Bram or Rox – are they what we heard they are? Because there is not enough of them in action to prove it – dialogues in Molten Facility was step in good direction, but it was final step at the same time) will not make him that person if he won’t prove it. And based my statement on knowledge, of how long this Living Story arch is going to take – there is very small chance he could pull this off. 10 dialogues, 2 events, 3 cut scenes ain’t enough. Especially finished with “puff I’m off and out” act, that was sold to us on every other occasion, by every other character.
Above that? I’m still waiting for all this promised stuff. Housing, “my story” – maybe some of those stuff was crossed out in meantime, but I really hope they wasn’t (I’m thinking about character story development). If I have to wait a little longer? Well, I can do that. PvE have it share of love with every update, so no complaining here.
…and I’m writing in suggestions, because I have no idea where to put it. Well, maybe to trash.
First things first. Sorry for my english – not my first language, but still – I hope it’s not that bad. And sorry for wall of text – it’s one of those posts. Second – I will call to other games I know, so embrace it (I’ll try to keep it at minimum). I wanna write a little bit about dangers I see on the GW2 path. I do not claim, that I am original or I saw it first – probably Anet knows about it all and is getting ready. Or I hope it is. So why am I writing this (and You can skip that part)? Because I think any chunk information can be useful. I love Guild Wars series and I wish it best, so if my perspective is different than Anet and if I saw something they didn’t – why not to share it? Or just try. There is no harm in trying. And above all – I’m not the oracle, I don’t know everything and what I write is based on my opinions (You don’t have to agree) and observations (and that can be misleading), so keep it civil.
I see GW2 game mechanics as a tripod and will address them as such. Said that, I will address both current state from fanboy-gamer eyes and the danger I can see or smell from upcoming future.
PvE
Crown jewel and gem of Guild Wars 2. It’s my thing, it’s what I understand. Flat progression – is something that bought me in GW1 and is still working for me in GW2.
Just short jump towards the “no endgame” phrase, that all of us heard billion times. While I disagree, I still believe that Anet can do better. There are tons of ways of giving players endgame, excluding gear-trademill and constant chase after higher level cap in PvE. I see problem within “not trying” to find other way. Living Story is a great thing, but it’s not for all of us out there and while I’m the one who really enjoys it, I understand why some players don’t. There’s no need for raiding, while You can create new things. My friend gave me example of what have been done for Rift – but hey, I can’t repeat that – I didn’t played more than 3 hours of Rift, so I can’t judge. But with or without this knowledge, I am sure there are other ways to improve endgame as we know it.
Now is time for Living Story and the danger I see with it. There is this little game called Neverwinter Online, that I saw. I can’t say I like it, because between unappealing (to me) graphic style, crappy controls and uninspiring game mechanics, the fun from gaming is lost for me. What I do notice is “forge”. I heard people discussing, “if the forge have a chance to stand against Anets Live Team”. I think it’s the wrong question. The real one is – do Live Team have any chance against thousands of players doing their best to shine in creative environment. What made games like Skyrim, NWN1&2, WC3 really special? Moders. Anets Live Team is big, biggest thing of that kind I ever saw, but it’s nothing compared to all those moders, who will cast their magic “without” any restrictions. It’s hard to forget how DotA started, or what was the beginning of Counter Strike. Licentia Poetica at its finest. Immersion breaking? Well – do not let this slip into canon. But to let players try? You can’t do a skritt without trying. You try, You fail, You improve. You try, You win – heck, You won already! I think there is a great battle before GW2 and Live Team is in disadvantage (outmanned and outpowered). The only hard ground that Anet have to stand on, is the fact, that they are not bound by limitations of creators kit (so much fo “without” any restrictions in “forge” :P). If Live Team have idea that cannot be implemented with current GW2 build? They can add new mechanics with update, just for sake of doing something cool (and I’m not talking about crab tossing cool…). How can this battle be won? I have no idea. I don’t think that copy&paste of “forge” concept could be solution, but hey – idea of every player making they own “stories” in depth of mists is really tempting.
I did read up on GW2. Nowhere did it mention that 5 man dungeons would be mandatory to complete the storylines.
And nowhere did it mention that you would be able to solo every single thing in the game either.
No, but you could solo everything in GW1. So…as stated previously….why should GW2 be any different in that regard?
I didn’t buy this game expecting a WoW clone but it seems Anet is turning it into one.
Because GW1 meant to be (and is) CORPG, and GW2 is MMORPG (and suposed to be from beggining). More than that – I’m sure I’ve seen it dozen times in some of the Anet blogging and stuff, that they treat it as normal MMO – party for dungeon, preparation before adventure and NO HEROES & HENCH etc.
And did You ever played WoW to call GW2 WoW clone? In terms of differences between MMOs, GW2 is quite far from WoW. But hey – You’re comparing CORPG to MMORPG, so why not to talk about Baldurs Gate? That was fun game – and no one ever stated that GW2 will not be Baldurs clone… and it isn’t! – how could they?!
Not that I’m defending GW2, because I find a lot of irritating stuff in the game lately, but there are holes in Your logic (each) bigger than my ego. But I agree that nowhere was stated that all dungeons will be 5 and only 5 people team stuff. But that is different story.Hmm. This is the second thread in a row to use the term ‘CORPG’, and again, no clue what it stands for…nor am I sure why you’re making a distinction, as both are massive, multiplayer games. And as for comparing? I’d think that perpetrating a play mechanic made most identifyible by WoW, and that endless games copy badly only both ‘Because WoW does it’ and their player base complains that otherwise it’s not enough like WoW would be explanation enough. Especially when this construct is placed in a game that has little need for it due to many, many other mechanics designed to encourage playing alongside and together with other players without needing it, and instead of being properly encapsulated as separate gameplay as it’s predecessor did, is used as a big fat roadblock to completion of content that has had no need of it in any way, shape or form for the entire rest of the storyline?
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Competitive_online_role-playing_game
http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/CORPGThe other note about dungeons:
“Yeah graveyard zerg and some bosses having a few balance issues (or needing more varied skills at various health percentages so they are fun to fight for their large health pools) are absolutely things on our radar. Make sure to note specific locations/bosses when leaving feedback on the forums!
As for the question about PuG’s for explorable dungeons, we’ve said all along that explorable dungeons are intended for highly organized/skilled groups of players. That is absolutely the case”
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Do-NOT-nerf-please/first#post126835
Funny, I always thought that coRPG meand cooperative. Silly, me. But still, I remember wrong, but got right idea.