I’m not sure most reasonable people would agree with your interpretation. He doesn’t directly say he wants “gear progression” – in fact, here’s the actual quote:
simply only for “Reskinning purposes”. By this I mean of course, there is no more progression after level 80, you’re the same, but only look different. The difference between gear had halted.
There’s no more progression after 80. Basically, very little you do after 80 can allow you to experience the game differently. Which is true in some respects, primarily those respects being that only so much stuff works well and new content is being designed to deliver to those who made the rest of the game easy by their own decision, which makes it even more marginalized than it was before.
Given his poor grasp of grammar in the first place (likely primary foreign language), I think we can rule out any set in stone definition that his only idea of progression is a gear treadmill and the only differences he’s talking about is in regards to the rating.
And without any suggestions of what he wants, there likely won’t be any way to tell what kind of progression he wanted past 80, only thing we can know is that he felt dissatisfied with a lack of progression because of gear (which could also mean marginalized gear and usefulness).
Thank You!
I wrote more or less the same thing, but I made mistake of pinpointing it to someone manipulative statemants from all over the forums, and my answers were deleted. Because – You know. My offtopic is offtopic, when someone else offtopic is THE TRUTH!
. And on the other side – english is not my first language, so I never would do this so fluently.
Good to see some people do not like to generalize and try to look for real meaning and not the easiest answer. Sometimes (and that times are always) I think that white knights of MMO forums do more damage in name of protecting games name, than they actually help it. But that’s just my opinion.
What do you make of this paragraph from the OP?
“Eventually that came to an end when we found out the weapons/armor, even fractual stuff did next to nothing, and was simply only for “Reskinning purposes”. By this I mean of course, there is no more progression after level 80, you’re the same, but only look different.”
Well -frankly I was thinking about new abilities of weapons (You know – attributes, special abilities) – expanding the flat progression. I don’t know what You were thinking about. New level cap? New weapon tier? I don’t like those ideas. OP didn’t specify his idea od “progression”, so I will be nice enough to not put any words in his mouth.
There are only two things that will differentiate a piece of armor or a weapon. It’s looks or it’s stats. The OP is complaining that it only looks different. That means he wants more stats.
Unless of course you can find some other meaning in that paragraph.
Sure I can. To be honest – I haven’t thought about what Youthought… which says something about both of us, don’t You think?
Basicly – we have 4 Primary attributes, and 5 Secondary attributes. I think there is room for some special effects. I could give and example from Diablo 3, where we’ve got so much crapy weapons with crapy stats, but some have really cool bonus effects (armor for obtained coins, %chance for coin burst enemy etc.) in contrast to GW2 weapons which, You know – are so special, every and each of them, that actually non of them is. They are all the same – few choices, less viable etc.
I do not say same system will work in GW2 – no no no. But I do say I would welcome some diversity for this long stale layout we have.He doesn’t want things JUST FOR APPEARANCE. A special affect is appearance. He wants stats. It’s clear from what he’s saying.
Sorry you can’t see that.
Sorry – now You are putting words in MY mouth. I do not like this and I do not appriciate this. let me give You example:
You say – “A special affect is appearance”
I say – “special effects. I could give and example […] armor for obtained coins, %chance for coin burst enemy etc.”
And again – You say what OP wants – “He wants stats. It’s clear from what he’s saying”. But it’s based on Your interpretation of his words, NOT his actual words. Good luck in real world with that attitude. So please point me to a place where he wrote:
“He wants stats. It’s clear from what he’s saying.”
Because I don’t see it. I see where Your interpretation comes from, and maybe You are right, but without clarification from OP, You sir are over-interpreting, or in other words – lying.
Sorry that I can see more, than just “I don’t agree with him = he’s wrong!!!” game. I’m so so soooo sorry
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There are so many flaws with the OP, I’d have to make a post almost as long as the OP to list them. Staring with the wrong name for Fractals, then talking about gear progession like that’s something people came here for, and moving on to people dying in dungeons which made them give up.
If they changed this game to make it something you play, OP, I’d leave. What you want isn’t really what this game was designed to be. It was DESIGNED to be about skins, not stats.
Hello again
Please do point me to a part of OP rant, where he’s all about “stats”, You know.
I really would like to give You 2 advice, that You are like to spread all around other topics:
1) Don’t put words in someone else mouth. What OP wrote and what You are saying are two totally different things. You blame him/her, for Your own interpretation (or even over-interpretation) of his words. Funny. But not so much
2) State own opinions. Do note, that OP is stating his genuine opinon. There’s no statments like “we” or “this is wrong”. He’s talking about his own expirience and feelings. Have guts to respect that, especially when You demand it from people with most of threads I’ve seen You.
Cheers
(I do not agree with all flaws that OP mentioned, my leave was dictated by other subjective reason)
…every time an Elder dragon died the other Elder Dragons got stronger (as they didn’t have to share the total magic pool with as many other dragons). The last Elder Dragon standing would thus be the strongest Elder Dragon – as it would get to soak up the most magic.
Let me get that out of my system…
You are telling me that Mordremoth will take mashing 2 buttons to kill (instead of zaithONE) and sixth dragon will be full 6-button mashing extravaganza? It’s getting serious now – how the model recipient of “Anet casual design gameplay” will take it?! Not too many buttons?
On more serious note – really neat theory. I like it a lot
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Wishfull thinking, but I see 2 problems here:
1. Anet would need to communicate with own playerbase
2. Anet would need to know why they do the stuff they doFor the first one – they had more than 2 years to work on that, and the communication simply suck. I don’t say, that they can’t change it, but I don’t believe they will even consider it. They tried – they actually tried some time ago (3-4 months I think?) and utterly failed (in my humble opinion ofc).
About second – let me just point out things like, changing the leveling system (elite slot unlock moved to lvl 40 and down -almost back- to 31), gem store, trait system, changes in lore…
…oh skritt! I’ve become hater! We’ll it suits me right for now XDYes, it’s wishful thinking.
We can’t change past communication but hopefully we can make it better going forward. And maybe if time permits there can be post mortems for previous releases like the traits.
Sure, and I agree with You.
Maybe with this kind of attitude from Anet I wouldn’t leave the game (I still read forums – I care about Guild Wars brand, not so much for GW2…). For now, I really don’t like the direction that game is set on, I do not like the attitude of Anet (I would call it pure arogance from lack of better word in my vocabulary, but it’s might by just me), and I really really hate the feeling that creative team have no idea what to do with the product. All their “major plans” looks like duct taping bulletwounds, not planned moves on chess board.
Well – I guess Anet needs to ingratiate to new players. If even percentage of veterans feels as much insulted as I am, they stopped playing long time ago and the numbers have dropped. Oh how they dropped (balls). Not that we ever gonna see any statistics about it.
Still – reading forums, just to see how deeply devs pants are on fire is a lot of fun
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(…) Context is often everything, but so is jamming words into people’s mouths(…) .
Yeah. He’s doing it constantly, as long as I remember.
And do note – he never acknowledge he’s wrong, even if You catch him on contradictions, nor he acknowledge You’re right, when You are. Sometimes he’s right, I’m not saying he’s not – but if You agree with him on 1 point out of 10, he takes it like complete win on all accounts. So much for constructive criticism.
And try to forget to write “it’s my opinion” (which is obvious) and You’ll be jammed with accusations of lies and spreading misinformationAnd the people I argue with always admit they’re wrong. lol
I agree with these people so they’re right. Logically speaking, we can’t all be right. Anyone most of the time, I don’t talk in absolutes. I’m more careful with how I speak than many.
And I wouldn’t talk about lying much after a post like yours.
Well – I will try to use Your weapon.
We’ve ben doing this dance for more than a year and a half? Taking into consideration, I left since xmas’13 till 2 months ago, and now left again, visiting only forums (more fun than playing). We’ve been talking in about… 50 topics? 80? Maybe more.
I remember to admit I’m wrong more than 10-15 times… because guess what. You were actually right! Yep, I can’t believe it as well!
But hey – I never eeeeeever seen You do it. No matter if it was in dialogue with me, or in any other thread, I wasn’t involved above simply reading.
Whenever I (or anyone else) pinpointed You to weak point of Your logic, to the flaw of this particular change of thoughts, there was no answer. You either ignored that point and focused 100% on others in our discussion, or You complitly left without a word. And my feelings were hurt…
(…) Context is often everything, but so is jamming words into people’s mouths(…) .
Yeah. He’s doing it constantly, as long as I remember.
And do note – he never acknowledge he’s wrong, even if You catch him on contradictions, nor he acknowledge You’re right, when You are. Sometimes he’s right, I’m not saying he’s not – but if You agree with him on 1 point out of 10, he takes it like complete win on all accounts. So much for constructive criticism.
And try to forget to write “it’s my opinion” (which is obvious) and You’ll be jammed with accusations of lies and spreading misinformation
Take the warrior nerf as an example. A lot of people hate it. A lot of warriors are really not happy with it. But it was clearly something that had to be done, because whenever you see on a forum that the warrior is pretty much the best profession to use in every area of the game there’s a problem.
…Depends. Warrior was best proffesion to use in every area of the game, not because magical overpower that had to be nerfed, but because of the design of encounters in the game.
As You said – You are looking at the leaves, not forest. Or the oher way around? We can debate on it for hours.
The thing is – there were 2 ways to “fix” this situation:
-nerf warrior.
-work on other professions to make them viable to a game design in comparable manner to a warrior.
Geuess which one was cheap and easy to do, and which one needed large amount of work? And again – which one is looking like a bandaid for a larger problem and guess which one I find right? More – which one was easy to read from metrics and which was behind our motivation?
Again – problem with warrior was a same problem, that Anet had with zerker builds. It’s not the players fault that almost all encounters in game goes same road. Players work with what they have, and the zerker was the answer. Changing zerker was the bandaid same way that changing warrior is. What Anet should do, is to keep the promise of a good fights in-game. Working on the battle model until it no longer gratify zerker above anything else. But again – nerfing zerker is easier. Cheaper. Faster. And it’s dumbing the game instead of enriching it.
But he-heeey – it’s my opinionAnd your opinion on how to change things goes against what any game designer will tell you.
There are already complaints that the game is too face roll easy. If every single profession was buffed to where warriors were, everything in the entire game would need to be redone. Every encounter. Every creature. Every dungeon.
That’s the big picture.
What is funny – I never said other professions should be buffed. It’s your assumption. What I did say – classes other than warrior are insignificant from the game design point of view and that need to be changed. That is the game design flaw that sooner or later will had to be adressed. Nerfing warriors stats ain’t enough, while he is most suited to playing the game design only road.
Diversity – that’s something that Anet failed to deliver at the beggining of the journey, and what will drag game down for months and months (2 years now, with nerf bandaid fixes that leads to another nerf bandaid fixes, that will lead to… ), or become irrelevant in future if the games move to another level (moving the lvl cap or redoing some parts of game like they did with “Tequilla”).
Of course my opinion goes agains what every game designer would tell me. That’s why I’m getting paid for geting jod DONE not “done”. And I said – they took cheaper road, not the right one and I stand for that. It’s easier to shift the problem from one side to another, than eliminating core of the problem. Easier and for a quite a long time – cheaper. I think 2 years of juggling with this and it’s still cheaper (not that it’s better for players – because I belive it’s not).
Your opinion on the other hand… well – it’s in almost every post I’ve seen in this forum, so yeah – hard to argue
Take the warrior nerf as an example. A lot of people hate it. A lot of warriors are really not happy with it. But it was clearly something that had to be done, because whenever you see on a forum that the warrior is pretty much the best profession to use in every area of the game there’s a problem.
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Depends. Warrior was best proffesion to use in every area of the game, not because magical overpower that had to be nerfed, but because of the design of encounters in the game.
As You said – You are looking at the leaves, not forest. Or the oher way around? We can debate on it for hours.
The thing is – there were 2 ways to “fix” this situation:
-nerf warrior.
-work on other professions to make them viable to a game design in comparable manner to a warrior.
Geuess which one was cheap and easy to do, and which one needed large amount of work? And again – which one is looking like a bandaid for a larger problem and guess which one I find right? More – which one was easy to read from metrics and which was behind our motivation?
Again – problem with warrior was a same problem, that Anet had with zerker builds. It’s not the players fault that almost all encounters in game goes same road. Players work with what they have, and the zerker was the answer. Changing zerker was the bandaid same way that changing warrior is. What Anet should do, is to keep the promise of a good fights in-game. Working on the battle model until it no longer gratify zerker above anything else. But again – nerfing zerker is easier. Cheaper. Faster. And it’s dumbing the game instead of enriching it.
But he-heeey – it’s my opinion.
Metrics are only good when the right things are measured and the right conclusions drawn. Otherwise they just paint the wrong picture.
Word on the street is that Anet management are overly obsessed with their graphite dashboards and the continued misreading of same is why the game continues its march into mediocrity.
If you can do any better, give it a try. Make a game and see how many people you can get to play it. See if you can put enough financing into it to make it financially viable for one year, let-alone the two that GW2 has already existed for. Go ahead. Try it. I’ll wait.
This is so skritardet attitude it literally hurts.
I’m a video editor – I edit movies for living. If I’m doing poor job – I rather have constructive criticism while I’ll still can fix my thing, rather than sending people to school, so they can learn how to do my job. First of – I would be creating competition, second – it’s just rude… and even better – if the PAYING costumer gives me feedback – it’s part of my job to check it.
Don’t get me wrong – it’s my job, and I know what I am doing. That means that 99,9% of feedback will come from people who can not see the bigger picture of what I am doing, so they are not in position to correct me. But sometimes they see what I’ve missed.
But when I catch some unhealthy mannerism, it’s usually invisible to me, but on plain sight to others. Look at Michael Bay craptastic supercrapductions, or overdose of lense flare in J.J. Abrams movies – the latter took the constructive criticism and is working on it, the first one is… protected only by “do it better yourself” bullkitten. But still making millions, which can translate to smaller scale with Anet situations
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Long live the metrics!
TP is buggy as hell, slower and less intuitive. For every 1 good change is 1 wrong and 5 bugs.
About low level changes – I don’t know what they are smoking, but this is simply stupid.
New achivements – grindy grind for a grinding grinds?
Minipet changes – I need to check it, because I’m a little bit confused now.
Over all – I’m leaving this game again. Season 2 took me back, but that’s exactly the direction that I don’t want to follow in MMO. Was fun for this few weeks, but all fun things need to come to an end
Tengu will get cosmetically ignored just like charr, and to a lesser extent sylvari/asura.
Tengu will end up with heaps of clipping armours/hairs/accessories/etc, and they’ll never get fixed up.
Just how bitter is your life, for this to be the only thing you have to add to this thread?
Maybe, maybe not. That doesn’t change the fact he’s right
- Does the world feel more believable to you thanks to LW content?
Nope. Not even close. I like the concept of what happened in Kessex. I do not like lore that was sacrificed on Scarlet altar to get there.
- Does the world feel more natural?
No. It seems like GW2 and LS was made by two different teams… and the LS team didn’t know much about GW2, Tyria or Guild Wars lore at all.
- Do you feel as part of the world?
I left the game because of it. Still care for the franchise, but I refuse to play the mess that GW2 become because of LS. If Anet will sort things out in the future – I’ll log in again. If it won’t be soon, I’ll probably get bored and move on entirely.
- Do you feel the world is evolving around you?
As I wrote before – I like the concept of what happened in Kessex. But I think it have been done in unbearable manner. If Anet writers actually fit their so called “story” into Tyria realm, I would say yeah, sure. That kind of updating is a step in right direction. But as for now? No. Kessex is their best attempt, and we’ve got many failures before ( “adding” TA new path fiasco). Yep… I think that sums up pretty well my opinion
- Do you feel that making content temporary is important to achieve the principals of Living World?
Yes and no. Making every update a “achievement chore list” is a really wrong way to go. But “temporary” isn’t worst concept out there. Still – I would prefer that 90% of content to be permanent, and missing 10% to be all shazam that accompanies introduction of permanent content.
- Does temporary content has some advantages over permanent content?
Can’t think of any. Well… maybe after some time, stuff looks better in our memories and we can’t recall how buggy the content was.
I’m glad they don’t look outstanding.
Interesting idea. But for me they all skritt ugly. Matter of opinion probably, but all 3 sets are in respective top 3 of less appealing armor sets in game O_o.
This encourages people to replace the look with something different, rather than encouraging everyone to use the same look.
True. But on the other hand – I feel forced to change it (aka buy transmutations crystal, what isn’t so much of a hassle). because it’s embarrassing to wear one
Hello there. Excuse my mistakes, clearly English is not my first language. I’ll try to do my best
Before I’ll delve in problems that deny me fun from playing GW2, let’s state some things first:
-all of this stuff is my opinion and opinions only. Feel free to disagree but You can’t deny me right to have one. More on that – these are not facts, it’s my observations based on facts and opinions are build on top of that.
-I do not care much for Scarlet character – but I often use word “Scarlet” as a distillate term for things I belive are wrong with GW2.
-I believe that most if not all stuff presented by LS (or LW, whatever) is half baked, poorly written, outrageous implemented and have no respect for GW1 lore… the lore it happen I liked before GW2 was conceived. That’s what I have in mind when I write “Scarlet”
-No one has to agree, “de gustibus non disputandum est” – so whatever I find revolting, You can define as fun and there is nothing wrong with You and there is definitely nothing wrong with me (stated by my psychiatrist)!
-aaaaaand, no matter if You agree or disagree with me – there is NOTHIG WRONG with having different opinion and liking other things. For example – I like mediocre Hollywood crap-movies. That doesn’t make them good movies and it doesn’t force You to like them. It means only that… I like them. “De gustibus…”
So. Some time ago in “We Do Not Like Scarlet Briar” thread by deepwinter.9015m one of users (LanfearShadowflame.3189) said “Have you taken a survey of people in the game? From my observations, and again its really all conjecture since only Anet has any real numbers, it balances out between forum and in-game community”…
And I think that’s the problem. Even Anet doesn’t have the real numbers. Because what do they have? Statistics on how many players “did what” for “how long”. OFC numbers can tell You much – all the “what” of the world, but wont tell You most important thing. “Why”. Why are players doing this and that. For example – not so long ago I had every achievement form LS done, I did every available time gated content. Not because I liked it, or I found it fun, but because it was time gated. Anet statistics gave them only first half of the story. What I did, for how long. The “why” is more important for me – I was doing it for points, while waiting for something more worthy of my time. I didn’t get it and I’m not waiting anymore. I barely log in nowadays, because of it. The conclusion comes from “why” and not from “what”. Looking on numbers Anet couldn’t predict I will burn out and quit game. So I think it’s time to play fair with playerbase
EVERY UPDATE SHOULD END WITH POLL
Yeah. After finishing meta-achievement, every player should get a chance to answer survey (and modify it till the end of story arc) to show Anet what they did like and what they didn’t.
I know, I know – immersion breaking. That’s why it shouldn’t be mandatory or being stuck into our faces. Just give us option. Questions could touch variety of topic.
-Characters? Scarlet []I like her, []I like her but I think she’s overused, []I don’t care…
-Cinematic
-achievements
-events
TBC.
We’re right back to a checklist of killing ten rats, collecting a dozen hides, and taking down the big bad ogre.
Thoughts?
Very much so. The difference is that with quests I used to be able to pick and chose which ones I wanted in my log. Not so with boring, grindy achievements. They are pushed into your face every time you look at the character selection screen.
Well, GW2 had already gone back on it’s “no grinding” promise since day 1. So, hey, why not just go back on everything else? Right?
Let’s see:
-no grinding? (all LS – the later more obvious)
-no gears treadmill? (ascended gear introduced bit by bit)
-no raids? (tequila redone!)
-no quest in “kill 10 rats” manner? (nooo… we have achievements for that!)
-no need for LFG tool ever again? (yeah… we all know how that one ended)
Most painful thing is, that Anet really created tools to get rid most of this stuff. They just use it to keep the zombie kicking and biting instead smash it’s head with it.
Ohh, ohh… I’m going back to palpate some obelisks. Still 2 maps to go
Personally I dont understand why some people dont like her, I can assure you they are very few compared to the amount of people that do like her.
Good – I feel assured.
Now, back on tracks. This statement is based on what exactly? Basing on forum – loud majority hates Scarlet, minority protects her and claim to like her. Gustibus non disputandum est – but basing on that, I can believe that there are some people who actually like Scarlet. Never met them in-game, never played with one and I love to chat with pugs on dungeon runs. Most of my guildies left GW2 when all that Scarlet nonsense begun, so yeah. Go figure.
Still – I can be wrong, people I know are not a representative group of GW2 players – it’s just random people I’ve met. So some data would be nice to prove it.