That fact that so many people love as well as hate Scarlet to me indicates they’re doing a great job with this “bad guy”. Love or hate, she’s making people care about her presence returning.
It’s the bad guys you never remember or don’t care at all if they return that suck. If Scarlet is getting under your skin for good or ill then they’re doing it right.
People are not hating her because she’s a well written character, doing unspeakable deeds or because of her in-game actions. They hate her because ANet have seen fit to make every part of the living story have the same plot: “Scarlet was behind it.” I could go behind a mastermind pulling the strings of various factions who were unaware they are being manipulated, but that is a level of subtlety of writing and plot development we aren’t getting with GW2. Which is a shame, since GW1 was much better on this regard (although I’m not saying GW1 plots were grand, RPG-type stories either. Just a lot better than GW2.)
Scarlet is cartoony, over-the-top, goofy and yet manages to be boring as well. For me her whole representation represents what I hate about the whole Living story: stale, uninteresting repetitiveness.
In other words… Scarlet really got under your skin.
Good job ANet.
Yep. Great job. That’s why I sit on forums and read stuff instead of playing GW2
. Taking into consideration fact, that Anet put lot of their lore stuff on blog, not in game, I think I’m on the right direction. Out of the Tyria
Agreed.
But to be devils advocate – if You take JPs from WvW, players from servers like UW won’t be able to get their kills for daily XD. I think thats the only source of stomps for them.
Oh wait, the devs love playing thief in wvw…
Is it confirmed? Don’t get me wrong – I believe it to be true myself. That’s the only explanation for thieves unique situation in WvW/PvP, but hey! I like to troll on thief from time to time too, so no bad blood
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Kind of a side rant, but I don’t understand why players are so vehement about an expansion and not wanting to work with the LW concept. Devs have repeatedly said nothing is set in stone. I’d say the Living World should be tinkered with until it’s certain that an expansion is a better option. Who says the LW will stay on it’s present course forever and ever? I’d say a big change for the direction of the Living World is coming. Developers are trying to improve communication with players, and many (at least many on these forums) have clearly stated they don’t like the short, grindy, temporary nature of the releases.
If people really want to pay for an expansion, fine, that’s their opinion. All I’m saying is I don’t believe the Living World idea is out of steam by a long shot and is still worth experimenting with. If I can get the same content as an expansion for free, I’m willing to try different concepts for the LW, even if those methods and ideas aren’t so good at first and need tweaking.
I wanned to disagree, but I have to agree on that.
But on the other side – LS still need to prove it’s worthy. Because now it’s dumbing down main game update after update. Can Living World work in GW2? Sure. But I don’t believe it will. Not with this writers and not under this course.
Am I willing to give LS a chance? I don’t have a choice. But basing on my experience so far – if I have a choice between expansion and no LS against more LS and no expansion… I take box expansion any day, hands down.
It’s probably not so much about not believing that LS can be good. People tend to choose big change over hard work to improve broken stuff. And LS is broken, many believe it’s beyond repair.
Yeah, great.
Let me disagree. I have 9 lvl 80 characters, all of them full exotics, most of them with ascended crap, legendary…. etc.
And Queensdale train is a nice distraction. Fulfilling empty spaces of my time. If Anet nerfs it, it will become irrelevant and well… dead.
Why do You want to lvl up you toon on train? Do it on hearts, on personal story – it’s much faster, more rewarding. But believe me. After 5th character it will be sooooo boring, that running train with people, cracking jokes and simply farming, looks really tempting.
No matter – I rarely see same people for more than 2-3 rounds of choo-choo. I usually join train for 2-4 rounds myself… always when I wait for my guildies to gather. You know – I can sit for almost hour in LA waiting for them to decide what to do, I can plunge myself in PvP (but the stench is hard to wash) or run with the train. Oh yeah, there is always WvW, but I prefer to run there with my own squad, than with anonymous zerg. But that’s just me.
Part of me is saying “NAY!” – but it’s only because I’m elitist and I don’t want other to have what I have… just kidding
But to be more serious – if there would be choice between returning old stuff or new stuff with equal quality and imagination behind it like in first Halloween, I’m on new stuff wagon, hands down.
As for now, I think the mask took place of backpiece and I reall can’t foce myself to enjoy it looks. But it’s only my speculation.
Right, 10k achievement points makes someone a “great player”.
Funny how I run dungeons with a group who have anything from 6 to 12k points, I’m sitting there on 3.6k and yet I can play just fine, in fact I probably faceplant the least.
You see, it’s not a simple matter. I have around 11k or maybe even 12k points now (not sure – don’t care much about it). I’ve seen a lot, looot better players than me on fractals, players who had 5k points, maybe 4k points. But they specialize in those fractals. Same with dungeons – I’m not so fast and efficient in CoF like some farmers, but nothing in game seems unbeatable to me. Even more – till Liandri, nothing was above my reach, and I have no idea how would I present myself against Liandri, because I didn’t have enough time to even do daily last two weeks.
So if someone have 10k+ it doesn’t mean he’s/she’s some unbelievably good player. It only means he/she had enough time and was regular enough with dailies&monthlies to beat it. That and probably is above average to beat through every type of content.
I know amazing WvW players, who have around 8k points and I need lead them through dungeons like bunch of idiots. Or well – I was leading them. They quit game lately, because another LS sucked whole guild from WvW into PvE zergfest.
So well, the burning is coming through mysterious ways sometimes.
Being rewarded for investing time is neither casual nor hardcore, it’s just tryharding.
Having no life is not equivalent to skillful play.
Implying that putting in time / hard work shouldn’t be rewarded?
But to be clear I believe that skillful play should cut down on the grind, for example killing a single champ than having to kill 50 random monsters.
But hard work is all some have – saying that only those who are skillful should get certain rewards is something akin to claiming that only those who have time should get the rewards. Both parties deserve the chance to get the rewards in tier own playstyle. Then there is casual play which is rewarded with random loot drops ect.
Agree. But now we have rewards only for hardworking (or rather hardfarming) players with really big chunks of free time to spend. Kudos for them, I wish I were in their shoes. But I’m not.
Anet stated some time ago, that not every single LS arch will be for everyone. Let’s see how it went (Halloween and xmas aside), from my perspective (no one has to agree):
Lost Shore – a lil bit out of no where story, with hazy implementation. If we even can count it itno LS
Flame & Frost – all archs. A lil bit for farmers, something for those who like dungeons and slow pacing stories.
The secret of Southsun – farmfest
Last stand at Southsun – farmfest
SAB – jumping puzzle + farmfest for bubbles
Dragon Bash – farmfest + miniPvP game
Skypirates of Tyria – farmfest + dungeon
Bazaar of the Four Winds – farmfest + minigames
Cutthroat Politics – farmfest + 2 x minigames + a lot of political gireving for fractals with another layer of farmfest
Queen’s Jubilee – farmfest like never before
Clockwork Chaos – farmfest taken to another levelI agree, I also belive that best option is to design content, that could be beaten in several ways. You can do it by skillfull gamplay, by time consuming hardwork or something in the middle. Easy long way, normal way and extremely short and hard way.
But as it comes, we have only the farm way, You need to grind, or You stay behind. It’s like I’m playing another "f"2p Korean MMO. In last 2 weeks economy inflated so hard, prices on TP skyrocket to the celestial plane, that it leaves casual players in really bad situation. And we’re talking about 100% casual friendly game, aren’t we?You are completely right, but arenanet simply doesn’t care. They’re only looking for better ways to create revenue.
“Infinite continue coin”, I’m looking at you?.
Yep. Burned out. Left for two weeks, back again. Gonna see new update tomorrow and probably bail again to greener grass
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Agree. Rodgort is nice torch, but nowhere near a legendary status. But I’m still making one
I wasn’t convinced, but if thiefs can stole it, You’ve got my full support
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It only happens when you’re early in the dodge animation.
Bullkitten. Happens to me all the time – in PvP and PvE. Well, maybe not all the time, I rarely play PvP anymore – it’s sooo good. But yeh, I got this bug 3-4 time in a day. Game actually inform me that I evaded attack but I still got hit. It’s funny when You’re dodging boss attack that can bring You down, You see this “evade” info, while You’re character fell down and die in matter of seconds
alcopaul You sir made my day. Good laugh a day, keeps a doctor away. On Your expense, thank You for that ^^
Stand against the smelly Charr and vote for someone that has your back as well as your best interests and Tyrias at heart ! Vote for Kiel!!!
A Thief ? That’s… unusuall . And says a lot. No thank You, but no. Pirates or not, I don’t want more thiefs in administration.
Because that isn’t tearing the fabric of the world. That’s having a gigantic battle that impacted the world. No fabrics were torn.
Realm of Torment not evaporating of crystal see. Still it can be connected, butit two different things.
Take into account I can be mistaken (while we have no proof, it’s just a speculation – same as Yours saying, that steam monsters in shiverpeaks are result of Thaumanova blast – it’s logical, but hard to verify without more lore). On first fall Abbadon was cast down into Realm of Torment if I’m not mistaken, and it’s not placed in Tyria. More of that – to cross between worlds You have to use Chaos Rifts etc.
So if I didn’t messed anything – battle between gods was played in two realms, they literally tore their way from one to another, to banish one of the six.
Meenwhile in another topic! We meet again Onshidesigns !
I would say answering to You is like fighiting villian in cartoon for small kids. Funny, unchelanging and You gave tools to best You from the very begining ;P
The one that could turn space/time inside out and possibly affect other aspects of the game.
Read some lore. Abbadon fall tore worlds fabric as well.
The one that doesn’t have a few people running around and spewing all sorts of speculation based on one enigmatic post by an Anet employee.
Can I buy You a beer?
The hard part is to figure out were in the time line these living events take place. Is it before or after we get to Orr? :/
I can be wrong, but I always thought living story is the follow up to personal story and take place after Zaithans fall. It would make more sense to Bash the Dragons, when You know from expirience that they can be defeated, instead taunt some enormous beeing that can potentialy one-smash whole city You are trying to protect. But still – I can be wrong. Ellen doesn’t seem smart enough to me, to make so far-sighted plans to actually take into consideration both planing the event and potential outcry of it.
The council doesn’t need more “perspective”, it needs people that show they’re doing whats best for LA. Kind of like kiel has done on repeated occasions.
Yeah – like we need more uninspiring people, who take credit for our work because they are entitled to it by standing still. Next great NPC can always stay by the door of dungeon to prove theyr support to players and earn some street credit – we see them not rolling, we’re hating.
But I get Your point – what’s best for LA is close enough to Ellen not interfere with big kids doing her job for her. And Ellen following blindly orders of one guy, who want’s to have 2 votes in city council is exacly what players need to learn all about bias. How educational. Good side or bad, righteous or evil – biased character is biased anyway. I do understand Magnus inclination to power, but Ellen stupidity? Above me. Jump on train, don’t ask why Inquest is leading it! Opportunity i sopportunity!
The last thing it needs is some token Tengu/Quaggan on board
Yeah, sure – thats what In-game description calls LA “the city has become a common ground for all the races of Tyria”. So common that if You are not in Magnus pocket, or You don’t belong in Lionsguard, You are unwelcome dude! Especially if You are Tengu
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…I’ve not been following the living story very closely, so correct me if I’m wrong, but has Evon been in our way throughout them? If not, couldn’t this be viewed as an opportunity to dock Ellen, so she’s not accompanying us and as some here like to say, stealing our glory?
Just a thought. I have no idea whether that may be the case, and probably won’t be too heavily involved in any of this as it heats up, so it doesn’t concern me that much.
Actually if that would be truth, I would find first good reason to vote for her
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It’s more than a fractal. Fractals have lore tied to them from the mists. A developer comment and npc dialogue in game. Blatantly says that Thaumanova explosion messed up space time.
Yeah, but how does it differ from Abbadon, or things we have now in FotM.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s a matter of taste. I prefere Abbadon over Inquest&destroyers (possible, logical explanations given ingame to a Thaumanova) anyday, but I still think that Abbadon deserve something bigger and greater than mere fractal. On that point I agree – Thaumanova suits better to a FotM. Abbadon should have whole lore driven campagne with epic dungeon. But it won’t happen.
Back on tracks.
“It’s more than a fractal” – how? There is nothing more in it, than it was in other fractals, or could/would be in Abbadon fractal. All are lore related, moments frozen in time and space, located in mists.
“Fractals have lore tied to them from the mists” – and? Dungeons have lore tied to them, cities and common places are lorebound (Beetletun anyone? Shrines in Orr, Arah?), heck – we have lore packed items (ascended gear description). That’s the choice people are fighting over. New lore about Thaumanova (because, saying it was Inquest/destroyers doesn’t do it justice) or Abbadon fall (and despite few lines of txt in wiki – we really don’t know much… we even have only concept arts of Abbadon from before his transformation in DoA, so yeah – so much for lore we have). Can’t really see how one of this is different and by that, “better”.
“Blatantly says that Thaumanova explosion messed up space time” – interesting, but still… in personal story, asura mess with time and space. Nothing new or original. Don’t even let me start about GW1 1th april joke – that was messing.
6 gods reshaped world on their will and the battle between them, vastly changed some parts of it (again – messed big parts of space, and talking about space – Factions and missions about Celestials anyone?). Maybe there won’t be randomly spawned mobs from all around Tyria, but I can’t say this feature buys my heart
So once again – why do You think that Thaumanova is different (and better) from Abbadon & existing fractals?
I do belive it’s a matter of taste. I prefer human gods over inquest, not that they are better in any way.
Thaumanova has more potential to permanently affect the game world. It affects
areas outside the fractal.
It’s fractal – it won’t affect world either way. It’s not new living story update, lore oriented with properly spiced fractal on top – it’s “just” the fractal. And if it will be presented with whole update lore-tied to choosen fractal, oh belive me. Much more space was affected by Abbadon than by thaumanova kablowie, and can be seen even after millenias that divide his fall and present day.
Abbadon just lets players see something that is in the past. How would this change the game as a whole?
Same way that Thaumanova fractal will do – by adding a fractal. Nowhere were stated that anything related to our choice will go out of fractal, so what kind of change You are looking for? And if Anet will make something to tie new fractal to current living story events, I really doubt it will happen only if we choose Thaumanova. This simply lacks logic.
People who love dungeons may pick Abbadon. While people who do more PvE may pick Thaumanova.
I don’t understand distinction between PvE and dungeons – aren’t dungs the endgame, the ultimate layer of PvE (especially when we count fractals into set of dungeons)? I would say that dungeons are most lore packed places in whole game.
Yes. I read all of both posts. But it is not worth my time to refute each point one at a time. I have better things to do than try to discuss with someone who does not seem to have actually read the dialogues and understand that more goes on than we have directly seen in cutscenes.
Perfect answer. Thank You for Your time then. However ironicly it sounds
And please – for the future. Don’t try to tell someone what he saw, read – clearly or not. You may be heavily mistaken
I’m not saying you didn’t. I said that it does not seem you did. Distinction.
Distinct how much You want – point was clear, point was taken
I’m wondering why I even bother bringing in logic if it will just get ignored.
*sigh*
Oh. Right. Because people are dead set on single-player RPG storytelling in an MMO. And they want everything to be because of them.
lol
and now I’m wondering why I even bother with answering. No point when everything is answered with mithical magical power of logic that overwrite every argumentOh. Right. Because some people are dead set on legendary impassable MMO boundries that can not be crossed to not casue travel in time paradox. And they want everything to be trivial, because You know. 5th person with simillar background, character and narration is something to be expected from devs who have in their ranks some really amazing storytellers.
…did You even read what I wrote, or You gave up after first counterargument?
Yes. I read all of both posts. But it is not worth my time to refute each point one at a time. I have better things to do than try to discuss with someone who does not seem to have actually read the dialogues and understand that more goes on than we have directly seen in cutscenes.
Perfect answer. Thank You for Your time then. However ironicly it sounds.
And please – for the future. Don’t try to tell someone what he saw, read – clearly or not. You may be heavily mistaken. Sounding arrogant, doesn’t make Your points more valid ^^