Guild Wars 2

Dawdler.8521:

XTR.9604:

Never underestimate a good roamer.

Unless its a perma-stealth thief, then its a gouda roamer.

One person contesting a keep really isnt an issue until the cheesiest of cheese builds get involved. Its not like anyone ever complained that a turret engie contest a keep, or a spirit weapon guardian.

It has absolutely nothing to do with good roamers.

Any kind of thief is trash. I’ve solod keeps on my warrior, guardian, ele, and necro in the past.

Going to convert my armor to Trailblazers from Dire on my warrior tonight to try it out and see if I like it better than dire or not. I’ll update if it feels stronger.

Swamurabi.7890:

I’d like to thank quick and all the others that left FA so that we dropped of the court’s radar as a possible home.

For those of you on SBI, remember, this is the third time for this group(->YB->TC->SBI). They know how slowly Anet reacts to sudden massive player movements.

The only two guilds that left for SBI was sV and XT. FA’s failure is that guilds like coVn have fallen apart after running nightly to keep FA stable.

Warrior and condi necro are pretty good for roaming. Thief is garbage lol.. Only bad players play thief in WvW. They all just want to be able to run away from every fight they can’t win instead of actually fighting things out to the end. Nothing new, thieves in general are bad.

Luna.9640:

I really would like to see a dev trying to carry a truck because that is the same as current joke – 1 person able to contest a fully upgraded keep/tower.

It should take more then 5 to contest a fully upgraded structure.

Small scale roamer action should be respectfully related to camps less upgraded structers or roaming around killing solos but not contesting fully upgraded Keeps because it literally invalidates the idea of WvW ( a fight on a massive scale )

Edit: just wanted to clarify as many pointed out that the main problem is not 1 man being able to pop white swords (because scouts exist for reason) but 1 man being able to contest the T3 Keep and it main feature – the Waypoint.

You’re hilarious. I actually have solo taken towers MANY times and keeps several times in the past, all by myself.. The keep being under attack means the waypoint should be contested rather its one person attacking or 50. Why should you be able to respond faster to 1 person hitting it than 50?

If I had time to go through my stream and find the times I’ve solo’d keeps and towers, I’d highlight it just for you.

Never underestimate a good roamer.

Edit: Honestly, I think they should remove waypoints from WvW all together except spawn.

Woody Woody.8356:

I just wanted to know if Anet even knows that roaming exists …

Short answer: No.

Longer answer: They want your smaller groups or solo play to exist in PvP because that is the esport they want to push. I believe their intentions for WvW were more centered around larger group play of 20+ person groups for WvW, which is pretty much the majority of what WvW is.

I personally lead a small man group that roams anywhere between 1 and 7 players at any given time and have for over 3 years in this game. We’ve had some on and off times, such as when Deserted BL went in to play, we all pretty much quit until they brought Alpine back. It is still fun, but it really depends on what server you are on and how competent of a roamer you are. We generally get eaten by a zerg a few times a night when we do WvW, but its all part of the game lol.

I think that a lot of the builds you’re talking about are considered “high risk, high reward” builds where people had to build full zerk to do that kind of damage which puts them at risk of dying much faster themselves.

There are other cases like warrior that can go full zerk and still have excellent sustain, or go dire/rabid and do the same kind of damage from their initial condi burst and have incredible sustain lol.

Ultimately, it has been made pretty clear that burning damage isn’t going to be changed any time soon since people have been complaining about it since they made it stacking. Things like gunflame, 100 blades, ranger longbow 2, and a few other skills have been complained about for a long time as well.

To be fair, I think OP should check their own build, because none of my characters take that kind of damage and some of them are set up to be a bit squishier. I’d be interested to know what class/build you’re running to be able to tell if this is user error on your part or not.

If you’re running around in WvW, one key thing I like to try to build my characters around is trying to have 18k+ HP, 3k+ armor, and if it is a power build, 2500~ power without stacks, 200%+ crit damage and 30%+ crit chance. This is very easy to accomplish with a mixture of marauder, zerk, and cavalier on pretty much any class.

Tired of ANet allowing these same people to ultra stack servers even when we’re giving them a fore warning that it is happening..

Lock SBI please. :\

QuickRain.4735:

Hi, I’m a current sbi player looking for sbi to get full status cause of recent rumors of mass transfer also lock the link servers ty
We don’t need or want a bandwagon affect

Yes please! Already enough queues on SBI without the mass transfers from TC that are planning on going to SBI… I’m also on SBI and would love for the server to be closed..

tym.3791:

Really transferring is almost a waste of time. Servers implode, get bandwagon to, Guilds come and go.

What may be a great server, may turn to garbage in few months. Every server is gonna have good and bad. If you really wanna change things up, then pick your fav play time. Pick a border land, tag up, and if your good, in time, people will start showing up to follow you.

Not everyone lives the zerg life. There are still plenty of people in the game who prefer to run tagless with a group of friends to test their own limits without pugs. Plus, if you tag up, everyone is a critic lol. Gotta have some thick skin to tag up on most servers.

Fatherbliss.4701:

If you want some different NA recommendations, FA and SBI would be my picks.

No… Don’t go to SBI.

Go to any server except SBI.

Foefaller.1082:

I guess if you count “winning” as not getting killed, they are one of the best

Yeah, this is thief logic. If they didn’t die, they won lol… Guess they can just stealth up to someone, attack them once, then shortbow 5 in to Africa and win every fight while never killing anything lol..

Straegen.2938:

Roaming is not dueling. Roaming does include fighting but also scouting, flipping objectives, running interference, etc. Thieves excel in flipping objectives, avoiding large groups and preying on zerglings and wounded players. They are also masters of slipping away as fights grow in size. What starts as a 1v1 often ends as a 3v1. Most classes cannot handle extra players being added on during a fight. In a straight up fight, thieves are middle of the pack when skill is equal between players. However a class cannot be ineffective and cheese. As I stated earlier a few defensive builds are every bit as cheesy as stealth stacking thieves.

lol I’ve been roaming since I started playing this game. I know it is not dueling and I have many hours of me streaming on Twitch of me solo roaming and small group roaming. I get in to outnumbered fights and win them frequently on my warrior and have a lot of videos to show that lol. While roaming, I get in to all kinds of fights and even solo flip towers, camps, and sentries between fights. I’m not just talking here, I have video readily available to anyone who doesn’t believe what I am saying to go see lol..

Thieves don’t excel at anything except running away, dodging a lot, and killing bad players when it comes to roaming. Also, thieves don’t flip camps any faster than any other class. It would take a thief forever to solo a tower if they could do it, it doesn’t take much time for me to do that on my warrior, ele, or guardian solo.

I’m just saying, its false information to say that thief is the best roaming class, it is far from it. It is the best roaming class for people who want to run away from every fight that they couldn’t 2 shot someone in maybe lol.

It is very opinion based to say what the “best roaming class” is, but in my opinion, the best roaming class is Warrior. It is the best all around class for solo play due to its defense, damage, and decent mobility rather you play a power build or a condi build.

Before ANET nurfed air overload, the d/f ele was the best over-all roaming class.

Everyone who has ever thought thief or mesmer were the best roaming classes have still not experienced playing a good class with a good all around build roaming.

Straegen.2938:

Thieves are probably the best solo roamers in the game. I cannot actually think of a better one. Fastest class particularly vertically and easily the slipperiest for avoiding massively outnumbered fights. Scouts and flips small objectives with the best of them. In skilled hands is formidable even outnumbered and resets fights better than any class. It really has no roaming downside.

The fact that anyone thinks thieves are good at roaming is baffling. Their ability to run away doesn’t make them good. All it does is run up, try to attack, realizes it does not deal damage to anyone with a brain, then runs away. There is nothing skilled about thief game play. I honestly do not remember the last time a thief was able to get me below half hp while I was roaming on my warrior, ele, or guardian before they either died or ran away.

Straegen.2938:

Mesmers aren’t far behind in the solo roaming category. They lack the mobility of the thief but otherwise solid roamers.

Condi mesmer works very well for solo roaming, but it is literally the most cheesy build in the entire game lol. The clone effect of the mesmer is cheesy by itself, but that is the opinion of myself.

Straegen.2938:

XTR.9604:

So what you’re basically saying is that everything is cheese if you can’t easily beat it. Gotcha.

How did you get that from what I said? If a good player can make a build sing that doesn’t make it cheese that makes it meta. What often makes a build cheese is when a relatively bad player can make a particular build highly effective.

Also you condemned two entire roaming classes as cheese for being good at roaming. It is like saying every zerg Guardian is cheese because they are good at zerging. Not every thief or mesmer build is cheese just like every DH or Warrior build is not cheese. In my opinion there aren’t a lot of cheese builds and I can probably count them on one hand and certainly two.

Thief and mesmer are by far the two cheesiest classes in the game lol. Denying that is silly. I don’t consider either of them to be good at roaming either. I frequently solo roam and lead a roaming guild that generally runs anywhere between 1 to 6 people. We never run thieves because they’re not actually good for roaming lol. We rarely run ever mesmers because there are much better classes to roam with, especially if we’re running a smaller group.

Chaba.5410:

Hesacon.8735:

Chaba.5410:

XTR.9604:

Chaba.5410:

Please leave in Desert Borderlands so players can continue to produce epic gameplay content such as this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_SsifpEgMg

omg ahahahaha… I watched it on repeat like 50 times. So far best video of 2017 imo.

There’s also the TC mesmer’s POV video available of this event now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3uszzyx84U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDnPRfAquTs

I really don’t know how anyone can say remove Desert BL. Look at all the enemies in these videos and they’re not PPTing.

Wow even better that the mesmer that did it had it recorded! LOL.. So good.

Straegen.2938:

XTR.9604:

To me, cheese is something that has a lot of access to stealth, mobility, and conditions. When I think cheese, I think the full pu condi mesmer, ghost thief, trap runaway ranger, etc.. Mostly mesmer and thief in general are cheese classes to play for most of the meta builds.

I think the semi-universal definition of cheese is a build centered around an overly effective and easy to use mechanic in a game. This typically involves a build being both highly effective at their task, very difficult to kill and with a low skill floor.

Your build examples are definitely in the cheese category. Ghost Thief is probably top of the list right now. Passive defensive builds in the DH and Warrior lines are cheese. Stealth stacking thieves, cheese. Condi Chrono, cheese.

Power Mesmer, not cheese. Most non-stealth Thieves, not cheese. Both classes require solid play to stay alive against a skilled opponent when they aren’t relying on high stealth uptime.

So what you’re basically saying is that everything is cheese if you can’t easily beat it. Gotcha.

OP should define their idea of what cheese is.

To me, cheese is something that has a lot of access to stealth, mobility, and conditions. When I think cheese, I think the full pu condi mesmer, ghost thief, trap runaway ranger, etc.. Mostly mesmer and thief in general are cheese classes to play for most of the meta builds.

Chaba.5410:

Please leave in Desert Borderlands so players can continue to produce epic gameplay content such as this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_SsifpEgMg

omg ahahahaha… I watched it on repeat like 50 times. So far best video of 2017 imo.

Jeknar.6184:

We have bugs in this game that are over 4 years old. If you stop to think I guess GW2 never left it’s beta phase.

True story. But as we’ve also seen in the past 4 years of other MMOs coming out and people “quitting GW2” to go play them, you get to see those same people return because GW2 is still the best MMO out currently lol. Has its issues for sure, but it is far better to play than any alternative out right now.

I think leaving it how it is to appease those who really like playing there is fine. I personally think the map is pretty to look at, but wildly impractical. Actually trying to play there is terrible because of the gimmicky stuff in the center area of the map where there is the crippling/stealth/stuff popping up out of the ground. That part of the map is the absolute worst to me and it alone keeps me from going there.

There are other issues with the map like the crazy cliffs you can get stuck on with no way back up besides waypointing, dying, or getting portaled.

Honestly, I’m just glad to have 2 alpine maps and EBG still in tact. Every time I’ve tried to go to DBL map, there is no one to fight and all we do is PPT there. So far, that has been my experience in T2, T3, and T4. I don’t foresee myself being back in T1 any time soon lol.

I frequently solo roam and run a small man roaming group. Here is a list of the builds my group and I use for your reference: http://xtremetheory.com/builds

There are several videos of game play for some of the builds and hours of footage of myself and my group playing on my stream (also linked from that site above.)

Edit: My personal recommendation is the condi warrior ( http://xtremetheory.com/wvw-roaming-condi-warrior/ ). Runes are super cheap, not too hard to play once you get the skill rotations down, and I doubt anet plans to nurf it any time soon even though they probably should lol. Not enough people play it ( / abuse it ) for them to care enough to do a nurf. It also doesn’t do that well with larger groups as far as the ability to tag enemies goes, which is another reason that they wouldn’t care enough to nurf it lol.

Not sure if by “no cheese” you mean “no condi”, but this build is very tanky and deals a pretty big amount of damage from conditions. A lot of game play videos there for you as well.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Unblockable

“Unblockable is a property of attack skills which prevents the attack from being blocked, and in case of ranged attacks, reflected or otherwise destroyed by effects of skills.”

You literally only had to read the first sentence of the wiki about unblockable to be able to understand this.

Some small group play from Jan 1st in the first XT run of the year. 4 man group farming Dragonbrand at their north camp in WvW.

http://xtremetheory.com/2017/01/03/first-run-of-2017-starting-strong/

We’re running 2 of my condi warrior build, 1 power guardian, and one support ele.

http://images.mentalfloss.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_640x430/public/power_rangers.png

All I could think of.

Justine.6351:

lmao @ Ranger dies in 11sec vid,
except the part its an engineer,

rip pvp in wvw…
people cant even identify classes anymore lol

lol rip. I wasn’t paying attention when highlighting apparently. Fixed it!

Also, I don’t watch the condition floaters either because I also know they’re wrong some times. I’ve seen 10k+ burn ticks in my damage log.

Dawdler.8521:

roamzero.9486:

I dont see much of a condi meta out there. If it’s really a problem the only classes that need to be addressed are condi Mesmer and ghost Thief (nerf Inspiration and condi shatter traits for Mesmer and rework Thief traps to be mainly utility/cc and not damage). If you bring condi-cleanse you can deal with all the other condi builds/classes out there.

This is 100% the fault of dire/trailblazers and the fact both these classes dont need any precision to apply condi. The other gears have flaws – full glass cannon, no vitality, no toughness, no precision. Pick your poision. Any hybrid in between make sacrifices one way or another.

To XTR, the reason your condi warrior remain strong is still not the condi in itself – it’s the warriors native tankiness and super healing. It’s just as OP on power.

It is stronger than the power build. Did you miss the part where I am laying down 10k burn ticks and ~4k confusion and ~2.5k bleed ticks AOE? I can stack all of that easily within 3 seconds. I can 2 shot a lot of people as a condi build – tell me where that is not broken.

roamzero.9486:

I dont see much of a condi meta out there. If it’s really a problem the only classes that need to be addressed are condi Mesmer and ghost Thief (nerf Inspiration and condi shatter traits for Mesmer and rework Thief traps to be mainly utility/cc and not damage). If you bring condi-cleanse you can deal with all the other condi builds/classes out there.

Go watch the videos here: http://xtremetheory.com/wvw-roaming-condi-warrior/

This is me playing on my condi warrior. Tell me that does not need a massive nurf along with condi mesmer and ghost thief after you’ve watched and seen what that build does..

I play it because it is funny and I want to bring attention to it. I desperately want ANET to see and understand what this build and several other condition builds are capable of in the hands of a player who knows how to play the game.. It is far too strong, much stronger than any power build can be.

Jim Hunter.6821:

XTR.9604:

Jim Hunter.6821:

yeah….. because they already landed the hit…..

That’s kind of the whole point of dot damage…… I mean…. do you wait until after a warrior lands decapitate before blocking and then wonder why you ate 10k+ ?

Blocks, blinds, invuln, etc. still all work when fighting condi builds if you use them at the appropriate time. This is exactly like all those terribad thieves that would complain about channeled skills and aoe skills still hitting them when they popped into stealth.

I’m not disagreeing that the hit was already landed and that it is the point of dot damage. While my conditions can be cleared, I can also stack up 10k burn ticks in a lot of situations on my warrior that will tick multiple times which is going to do more than your one decapitate. The conversation is about how broken conditions are and it is a true statement. Go watch some of my videos of me playing condi warrior and tell me more about how condi isn’t insanely broken.

It only ticks multiple times if players allow it to and allow you to put the stacks on them in the first place.
Everything looks broken if the player you are fighting doesn’t bring the proper setup to defend themselves. Just look at any pure PvE player wondering into WvW for the first time.

To the same argument, I am good enough at the game to not drop every bit of my damage on someone for them to instantly cleanse. I will usually drop one bomb on them, let them blow their cleanse then drop my next bomb which is a bigger bomb and lock them up, then I drop my burn combo on them. By the time you waste your cleanse on the first two smaller bombs that were enough to kill you, I’m throwing on a much bigger bomb lol..

Warrior is great at clearing conditions, so is Guardian, but most of the rest of the classes can’t clear them as fast as what a Guardian or Warrior would and it ends up being the death of them more often than not.

Seems to be a strange concept, but if you throw a good player on a condi build, they’ll normally beat great players on power builds. If you throw a great player on a condi build, they can be unstoppable in most fights even when outnumbered. My condi warrior shines its brightest when I am outnumbered because a lot of my condi burst is AOE. I have many videos of 2v1s and some 3v1s on my condi warrior that prove that lol. And sure, they’re probably just all bad players. I imagine that every person I fight is a bad player because it is incomprehensible to think that someone could actually be good at this game.

babazhook.6805:

No, toughness should not be a factor in condition damage taken. All this does is shift the meta more to heavy armor classes.

Cleanses and resistance both work to mitigate already existing conditions. Vitality allows more staying power.

Resistance and cleanses do nothing against power builds.

Already delivered raw damage has nothing to mitigate it. The damage mitigation is delivered before it applied.

What too many seem to want is to turn conditions into something closer to raw damage so they need less in the way of cleanses and can rely on the passive, always there armor for protection.

Condition damage and raw damage builds should be on par with each other. One should not be significantly stronger than the other. As it currently stands, some condition classes are out of balance by a lot. Necro and warrior can go full dire and have insane tankability and do more damage than they would if they were power builds. Burn Guardians are another example, but less harmful than the necro and warrior. I’ve stacked up 15k burn ticks with a burn guardian before, but it is easy to cleanse since Guardians don’t have access to much in the way of conditions. But you’ll never see a power guardian drop 15k damage on an enemy that is in full PTV armor like you will a burn guardian.

Toughness/Armor SHOULD be a factor for sure, without a doubt. The fact that I can walk up and burst down someone in full PTV and that they can do no damage to me back on my dire/rabid warrior is unbalanced.

I’d say that Guardian is probably the over all strongest class in WvW. It isn’t the best at everything, but it is pretty good at everything it does, rather it is support, damage or tank. I enjoy roaming on my guardian solo or with a small group as well as playing it with large groups. It is a great “jack of all trades” for WvW.

Also, just as a side note, toughness should be a factor against conditions. It shouldn’t just be about the amount of HP someone has.

Jim Hunter.6821:

yeah….. because they already landed the hit…..

That’s kind of the whole point of dot damage…… I mean…. do you wait until after a warrior lands decapitate before blocking and then wonder why you ate 10k+ ?

Blocks, blinds, invuln, etc. still all work when fighting condi builds if you use them at the appropriate time. This is exactly like all those terribad thieves that would complain about channeled skills and aoe skills still hitting them when they popped into stealth.

I’m not disagreeing that the hit was already landed and that it is the point of dot damage. While my conditions can be cleared, I can also stack up 10k burn ticks in a lot of situations on my warrior that will tick multiple times which is going to do more than your one decapitate. The conversation is about how broken conditions are and it is a true statement. Go watch some of my videos of me playing condi warrior and tell me more about how condi isn’t insanely broken.

Electra.7530:

I’ve been up against a lot of warriors and I know how tough they are. But, I’ve never had one, ever, hit me for 10k or even close to it. I’ve never seen them “shrug” off conditions.

Granted, I could be encountering a lot of noobs, but they generally run power builds and rely/depend heavily on their blocks, evades, invuls and resistances while they try to power me down.

In the end, what saves them really is their speed and ability to disengage.

But, I have been hit dang hard by a theif. The hardest hit or most damage I’ve ever received was from a theif using vault skill.

You’d find several times in my stream videos of me landing 10k+ burn ticks on people in fights on my warrior. I have old videos from back in the day when I played power warrior pre-HoT where I was doing 10k+ eviscerates even. You’re likely building a little tankier with your toughness which will stop you from being hit for 10k by power warrior builds. I think the biggest hit I’ve seen anyone land on my warrior was 5k because it has 3.4k armor lol..

XTR.9604:

There are 3 other maps to play in, so I don’t care if it stays or goes. But I won’t personally play on it until they fix the gimmicky center of the map with the stealth/cripple and things popping up in front of you randomly. Once they get rid of that stuff and add something like the ruins for borderlands bloodlust to the map, I think it will be perfectly viable and I won’t mind playing on it.

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There are 3 other maps to play in, so I don’t care if it stays or goes. But I won’t personally play on it until they fix the gimmicky center of the map with the stealth/cripple and things popping up in front of you randomly. Once they get rid of that stuff and add something like the ruins for borderlands bloodlust to the map, I think it will be perfectly viable and I won’t mind playing on it.

More game play from condi warrior solo roaming in WvW at the link below, there are 8 videos from about 1 hour of roaming. A lot of it is me just jumping noobs but there were some fun outnumbered fights in there.

http://xtremetheory.com/2016/12/26/solo-roaming-from-12252016/

Jim Hunter.6821:

XTR.9604:

Jim Hunter.6821:

XTR.9604:

How can I have 30k HP and 3.4k armor vs a full zerk warrior having 21k HP and 2.6k armor and still do more damage?

Because conditions can be completely negated with the right build/group comp.

I’d like to know how my warrior can have 3k armor, completely shrug off conditions/cc’s and hit people for 10k+ just by bumping into them.

Maybe it has something to do with the ridiculous power creep they shoved down our throats when they released HoT.

Raw damage can be negated pretty easily too. Tons of blocks and invuln out there. Lets say I drop my condi bomb on someone and they use shield 5 on warrior, they won’t stop my condi damage from ripping them apart (yes I know, warrior has a bunch of condi clear, just using example.) That shield 5 would negate all regular damage unless it is unblockable.

Ummmmmm wtf are you talking about? Using a condi build doesn’t suddenly make all of your attacks unblockable. Blocking might not stop the condi’s already on them from ticking but it sure as hell will block their application.

That is what I was saying, it won’t stop the conditions that are on you lol.. I wasn’t saying it wouldn’t block the skill that caused the conditions, because obviously it will. What I am saying is that against a power build, they take no damage during that time they’re blocking, during a condi build, they’re still taking the damage that was applied pre-block while blocking.

Jim Hunter.6821:

XTR.9604:

How can I have 30k HP and 3.4k armor vs a full zerk warrior having 21k HP and 2.6k armor and still do more damage?

Because conditions can be completely negated with the right build/group comp.

I’d like to know how my warrior can have 3k armor, completely shrug off conditions/cc’s and hit people for 10k+ just by bumping into them.

Maybe it has something to do with the ridiculous power creep they shoved down our throats when they released HoT.

Raw damage can be negated pretty easily too. Tons of blocks and invuln out there. Lets say I drop my condi bomb on someone and they use shield 5 on warrior, they won’t stop my condi damage from ripping them apart (yes I know, warrior has a bunch of condi clear, just using example.) That shield 5 would negate all regular damage unless it is unblockable.

I’ve already tried to tell everyone how to fix conditions, but it hasn’t happened.

Drop damage from conditions to about 1/3 of what they are currently. Give conditions the ability to crit and increase their damage on crit based on ferocity. Make them work just like power and add some new stat combinations for condi builds. My dire/rabid condi warrior shouldn’t be dealing more damage than a full zerk warrior does, but it does. How can I have 30k HP and 3.4k armor vs a full zerk warrior having 21k HP and 2.6k armor and still do more damage?

Conditions are broken in generally right now and burning is a big part of that as well.

100% agreed, there needs to at least be an option to turn those huge pop up notifications off. Wish they’d have a poll about something we want lol.

BeepBoopBop.5403:

XTR.9604:

afk.8230:

As a higher skilled thief (at least I fancy myself as one.)

Higher skilled thief = cookie cutter thief that tries to burst a person, realizes they do no damage and shortbow 5 away 24/7? There is legit no such thing as a “skilled thief” in this entire game. You’re all doing the exact same thing and none of you are good for doing it. I literally have zero respect for anyone who plays thief and have even less than that for anyone who thinks STEALTH needs buffed being the 2nd most broken thing in the game next to burning damage.

A few ideas to make this less of a bad deal for everyone is;

make stealth trap visible.

make reveal a real condition to be cleansed.

make the stealth trap a build site that requires 30 supply to complete, thereby allowing you to notice it being built & requiring coordination to deploy.

No to all of the above. Stealth as it is should be made to be a boon that can be stripped, it is already WAY too over powered. I am really wondering if you’re just trolling or if you really are that bad at the game.

Jim Hunter.6821:

If you’re having problems with stealth traps you might not be as good a thief as you think you are…..

This ^

Kek dude.

No such thing as a skilled thief, coming from a dude that plays tank ele then just dismisses everyone as doing no damage hahaha. I’ve dueled you before, most meh kitten I’ve ever seen. Plz don’t go around trashing other classes while you use one of the most carry never die builds around, on the level of mender druid.

Btw if you insist I still have the video from our “duel” tho honestly it was mostly me trying to snuff out the last of your HP bar for 5 minutes. YOU do no damage, except to something as fragile as a glass thief, but can still tank a glass thief’s full burst and heal to full instantly.

But ya you keep on imagining you’re sooooo skillful in tank ele.

Apparently you haven’t been keeping up lol.. I’ve mained marauder/crusader guardian again since they nurfed air overload several months ago. I’ve been playing condi warrior for PvP and for solo roaming a bit as well. Thief doesn’t do damage to either of those lol.

I don’t remember which ele build I was playing when we fought or what class you even played lol. I’ve dueled a ton of people..

I just wish they would add the borderland bloodlust to the DBL map and get rid of all of the gimmicky crippling/stealth crap in the center of the map…

afk.8230:

As a higher skilled thief (at least I fancy myself as one.)

Higher skilled thief = cookie cutter thief that tries to burst a person, realizes they do no damage and shortbow 5 away 24/7? There is legit no such thing as a “skilled thief” in this entire game. You’re all doing the exact same thing and none of you are good for doing it. I literally have zero respect for anyone who plays thief and have even less than that for anyone who thinks STEALTH needs buffed being the 2nd most broken thing in the game next to burning damage.

A few ideas to make this less of a bad deal for everyone is;

make stealth trap visible.

make reveal a real condition to be cleansed.

make the stealth trap a build site that requires 30 supply to complete, thereby allowing you to notice it being built & requiring coordination to deploy.

No to all of the above. Stealth as it is should be made to be a boon that can be stripped, it is already WAY too over powered. I am really wondering if you’re just trolling or if you really are that bad at the game.

Jim Hunter.6821:

If you’re having problems with stealth traps you might not be as good a thief as you think you are…..

This ^

Offair.2563:

XTR.9604:

omg people it is so easy to beat this kind of thief… Just walk away… Literally, just walk away from them and you take away their power completely. The only way they can beat you is if you’re stupid enough to stand there and try to fight something you can’t see.

Always love this kind of advice. RUN AWAY PEOPLE!

#ForumLogic2016……

Just walk away lol.. You don’t even have to run. That thief build is only able to kill someone that tries to fight them and stands there eating the condi bomb. I know this because I’ve played the build personally and it can’t do much against the person who decides to walk away. Some of those thieves will try to pursue you if you do and they’ll break their combo and get stuck out of stealth for a moment and you can usually kill them quick depending on your class and skill level. I beat those thieves on my condi warrior easily by pressing 2 buttons if they are ever out of stealth.

Not saying run away from all the fights, I’m saying just walk away from these thieves because there is no sense in standing there and letting them kill you waiting for your chance to see them. You have better chances of them breaking their stealth combo by making them chase you. Most of them won’t chase because they know they won’t get you if you aren’t standing around letting them kill you.

Condi warrior build that I carry with: http://xtremetheory.com/pvp-condi-warrior/ – also game play video on there and on my twitch stream from PvP and WvW.

Yes, I use sword/torch and mace/shield for my condi warrior in WvW and PvP. Both builds and game play videos at http://XtremeTheory.com if you want to see how to use it properly.

Mikhael.2391:

XTR.9604:

omg people it is so easy to beat this kind of thief… Just walk away… Literally, just walk away from them and you take away their power completely. The only way they can beat you is if you’re stupid enough to stand there and try to fight something you can’t see.

Tell me how a necro “walks away” being the slowest of all professions and less cleansing? BEFORE u say something stupid check necros abilities.

I’ve played every class and nearly every build imaginable on any of them. Reaper shroud 2 and just keep walking. If you’re running around by yourself on classic necro, you’re already wrong.

omg people it is so easy to beat this kind of thief… Just walk away… Literally, just walk away from them and you take away their power completely. The only way they can beat you is if you’re stupid enough to stand there and try to fight something you can’t see.

Soon.5240:

XTR.9604:

Use Krait runes 100%. With the right trait lines and krait runes, your headbutt will deal a ton of damage.

Build here: http://xtremetheory.com/wvw-roaming-condi-warrior/

There are even game play videos and skill rotation for reference there.

I looked over your build and have some questions. Why don’t you choose Shield Master, Sundering Mace, Heat the Soul and Peak Performance?

Shield master – I use it in PvP because I find it more useful there, but I don’t find it to be as useful roaming as I find Dogged March. For larger group play, Shield Master is very nice to have comparatively. The extra regen and less time being chilled/crippled/immobilized from dogged march is actually noticeable to me in fights. Shield master really only effects shield 5 and gives less cooldown, but for roaming, it isn’t enough to be worth running to me. Either option is definitely viable, I just prefer Dogged March for roaming (especially with all of these 4ever immob rangers in the world), shield master for large group play and PvP. (Every second matters in PvP, not so much in roaming.)

Sundering Mace – Defy pain is better for the sustain. I find myself in 2v1 situations a lot which makes defy pain trait a lot more useful. The Sundering Mace trait is great, it just isn’t as great as an auto stun break and 4 seconds of no physical damage for my healing signet and food to regen for me without being mitigated by damage (unless condi damage of course.)

Heat the soul – Same thing as defy pain trait, “Dead or Alive” has saved me on more than one occasion and I’ve found that the torch cooldown did not make a different to my skill rotations.

Peak Performance – This build does not run any “Physical” skills. There are no good options in this part since I also never hit my healing signet unless I am massively condi bombed and need the resistance badly to secure a win. Rarely ever happens and the 5 stacks of might wouldn’t help much if I ran Restorative Health anyway. Since “Death from above” will CC and possibly interrupt people, it has a chance of applying conditions if I jump on someone from a tower wall or something like that. It was the only thing there worth using, and even then, not worth much lol.

Hope that helps.