Guild Wars 2

Nerf real life. +-0

Only classes that should win against DD Celestial Ele are PU Mesmers (7/3), Shatter Mesmers(6/4) and Condi Necros (6/4). SD thieves are a 6/4 too if they start kiting you across all the map.
Other specs are just faceroll.

Asomal.6453:

Don’t know what’s your definition of “counter” to S/D, so i’ll just post some hard match-ups:

• Any x/P thief
• Condibomb builds
• Bunker Engie
• D/D Elementalist
• Medi Guardian
• MM Necro

Hell, I’d rather fight a Hambow than any of those specs, when I’m playing S/D

Not a single one of those specs truly counters an SD.
Killing Hambows kitten is ridiculously easy.

Johje Holan.4607:

Zord.6130:

You quit because of a thief? I hope that thief was me. I would be delighted. I LOVE tears such as yours.
Grow up son.

I’m glad you like crying alone then. But it wasn’t you so keep trying. Eventually you’ll drive enough people away so you can play by yourself. I’m sure you’d like that.

You quit because of a thief? I hope that thief was me. I would be delighted. I LOVE tears such as yours.
Grow up son.

Elitist.8701:

You are literally the worst player I’ve ever seen on this forum. L2P a real spec, not P/D condi, and learn how to counter a highly telegraphed ELITE SKILL.

This. Props to you. P/D condi deserves all the hate it gets. Same as PU Mesmers.

Narkodx.1472:

S/D acro thief lacks condition removal especially after lyssa nerf. Condi-bunker builds can give it a tough time. It is a very balanced build however without a hard counter. I would say conditions in general give it a hard time but with Pain Response, Shadowstep, and Sword #2, you do have options against condis.

SD thieves do not have problems against conditions.
I’d say that after Warriors and MAYBE Eles, S/D thieves have the best and most reliable condition removal in the game. Pain response is great, Shadowstep is really good too when you get spiked, and Sword N2 is a guaranteed cleanse every 5s.

Terrible server.

frans.8092:

hihey.1075:

Reikou.7068:

Amaterasu.6280:

condi engis, properly played warriors, s/d eles, s/p thieves.

A lot of things CAN beat s/d thieves if played properly…fighting s/d is much more about timing / anticipation than anything. If you can play a good s/d, you can probably know how to counter one.

I’d say those are 5-5 matchups at best/worst.

Nothing really hardcounters (2-8 or 1-9 matchups) the AcroTrick S/D thief atm.

This. I think old Dhuumfire necro would get a 7-3 though, as one burn proc would pressure the thief long enough to Condi spike him while he uses Shadow Return to cleanse.
But with the current meta, no builds can secure a kill on a SD thief. Even other thief builds (DP) get countered slightly by SD, as they don’t have any way to cleanse the poison

What poison? Sword doesn’t have poison by itself, main-hand Dagger has.

Edit: Added quote from the post intended my question for

The steal poison. 11 seconds of poison, which makes Withdrawal completely inefficent in terms of healing.
A well trained S/D will land his steal twice in a row when fighting a D/P, ensuring that both the enemy’s Withdraw will have a 33% reduced healing (they will heal for 6k instead than 9k on average).
That is a HUGE drawback for the DP user.
If the DP is running Hide in Shadows as heal… then he has already lost the fight from the beginning.

Your build was terrible, Arganthium. Sizer’s is not.

Pretty much every thief who has posted here is bad.

Welcome to the club.
PD condi is the easiest, cheesiest and most effective build for 1v1s. Even condi necros can be killed with PD now.
I’d put it on par with PU for the cheesiness/uselessness. It’s basically a build which shouts “hey look at me im putting condis on you lololol”.
Same as PU basically. With the difference that PU is more passive, but this is still more forgiving.

Is this a NA or EU project?

What are the classes that you see less/you see more after patch?

For me, I admit that I see a lot less Hambows and Decap Engis.
On the other hand, I’ve been seein a lot more Condi Engis and Meditation Guardians.

Eles are still very rare, MM necros are still very common.

Swish.2463:

Jelzouki.4128:

jportell.2197:

Evilek.5690:

Mesmer want next winning button ? Dont be silly

yes because mesmers are sooo over powered in tournament pvp…..

……

……….oh wait that’s right they aren’t.

Mesmers are awesome in tPvP; what do you mean? You want mesmers to be overpowered? There fine where they are; L2P issues detected.

At what point does a competitive team choose to bring a mesmer over another profession? What at current does a Mesmer offer other than Portal that another class does not provide more proficiency in?

Thiefs are brought for Bursts and Roaming to quickly finish fights.
Guards for bunkers and team support.
Warriors for Sustain and high CC upkeep.
Necros for Conditions and Fear.
Engies for their high sustain and CC’s.

Where does Mesmer fit in, in a world that all about staying inside a tiny circle and surviving.

A good player is always welcomed in a team, regardless of the class he plays.
Unless you are talking about VERY high end tpvp, in which case I can assure you that the competition in this game has pretty much disappeared one year ago, so it would be pointless to talk about it.
If you’re good, you will be useful. If you’re bad, you will be carried. If you’re bad, but are using a hambow/mm necro/condi engi/spirit ranger, then stop telling your mates that they are the reason because you lose everytime.

Terrible trait, tradeoff with Hidden Killer/Executioner is too high.

I think that dF, TA, DISS, iNk and TUP are the top5 guilds around atm (not in order).
DAWN deserves a mention too. All others are mostly bandwagoners.
(not speaking about NA)

Tried iZerkers on some friends of mine, they do indeed hit 10% harder.

OP: get rekt

sPvP is a great environment for increasing your roaming skills.

They said that they would unify PvP and PvE dailies, but that we would still be able to complete a daily by relying only upon PvP or PvE. It’s sad that only 2/3 dailies can be completed with PvP.

Yes, it is worth it.
At first you will only be able to kill PvErs who wear zerker gear with odd builds. As you get better, you will understand a lot of tricks and strategies which can turn useful when you are fighting a certain class.

Regardless of the class/spec you are playing, the most important thing to know when you are fighting someone is “What to expect from your opponent”. It’s all based upon your general knowledge of the game.
Personally, I think that most thieves’ specs are able to win against any opponent if played right (maybe the only exception is PU condi mesmer, but they are not so common in sPvP). But you have to play differently against each class.
If you see a ranger with spirits, you must expect lots of bleeds, protection, burning. Your shortbow and your stolen skill help a lot, by using cluster bomb on the waterfield you can easily dispatch the spirits, do a lot of damage to the ranger and keep your HP up.
Or, for example, a necro. Necros have a lot of conditions and can fear you a lot of times, so you must be ready to use your stunbreaks.

Anyway, I suggest you go spectate to the most crowded 1v1 server of your zone (Angz in EU, don’t know about NA anymore). There you will find a lot of thieves usually, so try to follow them and see what they do.

The only reliable use of Gust in a PvP environment is to prevent a Rez or a Stomp. It works really well at doing this.
Don’t even bother pressing #3 when in Air if such a situation is not nearby.

I don’t care imho. I usually fight in the OS, so situations like these are rare. Still, if I’m facing a spec that I “can” beat I usually don’t use food buffs, just to make it harder

How could I miss this video? Lol
Well played. The fight against the Engi was so lulz.

I think you just require more skill.

Did you actually notice that you actually lose 1 gold upon touching the “thing”?

I pity the warrior using Axe/Axe+Rifle without Healing Signet. It is, like, the worst build ever? Back in the meta where warriors were free kills.
And he is even ranked Silver Invader, LOL! So much zerging with that, guess he tags a lot of people with the reflect from hammer 5 (and lol at the mesmer who used pistol #5 and at the warrior who used GS #4 on him while spinning, hitting themselves).

Clearly a l2p issue from the warrior; nice to see a shatter mesmer instead than a broken PU, but the fotm hammer warrior was pretty much carried by his build – he could have just autoattacked and still won.

Sin, you’re one of the worst players I’ve ever seen considered the skill/time spent ratio, it’s almost embarassing

aspirine.6852:

Zord.6130:

aspirine.6852:

xandermander.4810:

aspirine.6852:

So is this a bug, an exploit or perhaps both? Whatever it is it does not look like it should happen.

Not a bug or exploit its just placing a cata on the ground at that spot

But there is no ground there. I doubt this was intended by Anet.

That cata must have surely been placed by the plague AM, who not only relies on blobbing to win, they also uses exploits and zoom hacks and pass through walls and spies and…

Ahh the old sarcasm trick, I get it =)
It happens to be that this AVA guild was the same one that tried to bug it’s way into woodhaven. But I suspect you will have quite the sarcastic reply to defend this.

I’d say that giving away Rampager gear for Soldier or Knight would get the same effectiveness overall. Most of the damage still comes from the Phantasms, and you trade that 15% Phantasm damage increase in Inspiration for the godly survivability provided by PU.
Good build, overall. I’d say Traveler Runes would work even better than Centaur Runes, since even with Centaur you would have only 75% swiftness uptime IF you use your heal everytime it’s off CD, whereas Traveler’s speed boost is constant and can’t be stripped.

aspirine.6852:

xandermander.4810:

aspirine.6852:

So is this a bug, an exploit or perhaps both? Whatever it is it does not look like it should happen.

Not a bug or exploit its just placing a cata on the ground at that spot

But there is no ground there. I doubt this was intended by Anet.

That cata must have surely been placed by the plague AM, who not only relies on blobbing to win, they also uses exploits and zoom hacks and pass through walls and spies and…

Sooooooo…. what’s up with that SLAY+TEO+MM megablob in EB? Do GH have queues even during night time now? Lol, you don’t even have to place rams now, just pvd t3 towers takes 1 minute to you.
And then you call us blobbers.

I’m perfectly fine with it, just stop complaning about us blobbing because your train is 1km long and is on par with ours.

tichai.4351:

It’s been an ‘interesting’ weekend so far on GH borderland. AM and MS purposely NOT engaging each other. I have seen several groups pass each other without fighting.

Blobbadons running with their usual 40+ zerg unable to capture a ‘paper’ tower with a handful of defenders, so, in their desperation for 10 more points? What else? A golem rush

Kitten, if it wasn’t so pathetic it would be quite funny.

Keep doing what you are doing and accept the other servers find you a disgrace and embarassment to WvW. Sure, we accept it’s the way you play and we deal with it but your reputation is well earnt

Arrow cart hold, lol

aspirine.6852:

Great another blob server.

Lol, by looking at your post it looks like you can’t stop complaning about everything. Why don’t you just start playing another game?

It looks like GH learned how to blob in MS BL tonight, good thing. The fight you gave us at the back of the camp was really entertaining.
MAYBE it will be a funnier matchup than the previous one.

Gossamer Scraps prices have been from 4.2 to 4.6 silver each for nearly one month.
Then, yesterday, there has been a HUGE increase (6,8silver at the moment) in the price.

I remember Ori and Ancient Wood did a similar thing when Ascended Weaponry was about to be released, with prices starting to skyrocket 2-3 days before release. Will this be a sign of Ascended Armor coming next patch?

EDIT: price is 7.4s right now lol

After replying to an user in the Ranger Forums, I’ve been wondering what will actually happen to the 3 “meta” mesmer builds we all know: PU condition, Shatter, Phantasm.

For reference, this was my post:

lordhelmos.7623:

When mesmer gets buffed to have good condition removal next patch, no one will stand up to a good mesmer. Condition weakness is the only thing keeping that class in check.

I’m calling it now, Dec 10th FOTM will be prismatic understanding mesmers loaded with stealths and phantasms.

The buff to moving celerity to 15pts. is going to make phantasms very easy to build for and spam.

They nerfed WS 5 because they seem to want more windows of opportunity for enemies to attack a ranger but look at the mesmer.

Between mirror (projectile reflect), blurred frenzy (longest dodge in the game), distortion (instant invul, can be used while stunned/cc), blink (instant teleport), decoy, veil, and phase retreat; you will NEVER EVER hit a good mesmer.

You can already look at the patch notes and see where the meta is shaping. With vigor nerfed mesmer will be the ONLY class with such an obscene amount of mitigation while still running full glass.

They will devastate every other class in every game mode.

Explain the 20/20/30/10/15 build to me, please. Don’t spread misinformation, please. The Forum is already full of this.
A mesmer going hybrid is a bad mesmer. Even with the upcoming changes, the most common builds will not change all that much.
Phantasm Mesmer (20-20-0-30-0), GS+Sw/Sw or GS+Sw/P will still be the same.
Shatter Mesmer (20-20-0-0-30) GS+Sw/T, or (0-20-20-0-30) Staff+Sw/X will still be the same.
Prismatic Understanding Mesmer (20-20-30-0-0) Staff+Sw/T or Staff+Sc/T will still be the same.

Illusionist Celerity at 15 is still garbage. There are some MUST have traits that any mesmer cannot overlook for building either PU, Shatter or Phantasm.

If you go Shatter, you need 20 in Dueling, 30 in Illusions and 10 in Domination. The last 10 points will be usually spent in Domination for reduced recharge on GS (more damage) or Torch skills (more survivability).

If you go Phantasm, you need 10 in Domination, 10 in Dueling and 25 in Inspiration. The last 25 points are usually spent in Domination and Dueling; even if you decide to spend them in Illusions for Illusionist Celerity at 15, you are going to choose the USELESS Major Trait in Illusions, giving up a nice stat boost for either 10 points in Domination or 10 in Dueling.

If you go PU, you need 20 points in Dueling and 30 in Chaos. Choosing Illusionist Celerity over 20 points in Domination for the Torch trait is just plain stupid.

All in all, the only builds which will be buffed from Dec 10th patch are Phantasm (because Mender’s Purity will now remove 2 conditions instead than 1) and PU (because you will have a SLIGHLY improved condition damage.

Everything else will stay as it is.

I honesly cannot think of a PU phantasm build, since its phantasms will be dealing 0 damage.

Actually, I find really hard for a Phantasm Mesmer to go 15 in Illusions, and the same goes for PU condition mesmers.

Unless it is something based mainly on mantras for support, but I find it hard as our role in sPvP is the one of damage dealers, while in WvW we would rarely invest highly into mantras for roaming. As for zerg support, our utilities are already bound to be Null Field, Veil, Portal, so no place at all for Mantras.
Thing is, the Adept Major trait in Illusions is completely USELESS unless we go for a Shatter Build. The only one worth noticing for other builds is the increased damage per illusion, but that’s really weak. Going 15 into Illusions without relying heavily on shatters is a waste of both a Minor and a Major Adept Traits imho.

What’s your thoughts on the matter? Because everyone is crying about mesmers being buffed, but the only buffs I actually see are:
_ the one to PU mesmers because they’ll have an increased condition damage (I’d say from 100 to 150 more Condition Damage), but that’s still debatable;
_the one to Phantasm Mesmers, as they will have a slightly better Condition Removal for the buff to Mender’s Purity,

aspirine.6852:

Zord.6130:

aspirine.6852:

Zord.6130:

Omaris Mortuus Est.2738:

They play for PPT, not fun.

They will blob with their entire map zerg run around and cap everything, move to another BL and repeat.

The interesting part is that “we” find capping everything, running around and moving to another BL really fun. We don’t play for PPT. We play to have fun. If “we” have fun in scoring points, then we are playing for fun.

How is it fun? You zerg everything, not even small camps are done without sheer numbers. I really fail to see something without challenge can be seen as fun.

Because dying is extremely frustrating. As long as we don’t die, we’re having fun.
Think of it as “if you die, then it means that you lost”. People don’t have fun in losing.
On the other hand, if we kill stuff, even if we outnumber them, then it’s a win.

And it’s not like our “legendary” zergs are uncounterable, we DO have weaknesses. But I don’t expect someone from FoW to be able to exploit such weaknesses.

You do have weaknesses yes, you are terrible. Staying inside your zerg without putting up a fight, I would call that pathetic.

What does that even mean lol
Go back fighting Vabbi and WSR.
And I’m open for some sPvP duels if you think I’m terrible anytime.

aspirine.6852:

Zord.6130:

Omaris Mortuus Est.2738:

They play for PPT, not fun.

They will blob with their entire map zerg run around and cap everything, move to another BL and repeat.

The interesting part is that “we” find capping everything, running around and moving to another BL really fun. We don’t play for PPT. We play to have fun. If “we” have fun in scoring points, then we are playing for fun.

How is it fun? You zerg everything, not even small camps are done without sheer numbers. I really fail to see something without challenge can be seen as fun.

Because dying is extremely frustrating. As long as we don’t die, we’re having fun.
Think of it as “if you die, then it means that you lost”. People don’t have fun in losing.
On the other hand, if we kill stuff, even if we outnumber them, then it’s a win.

And it’s not like our “legendary” zergs are uncounterable, we DO have weaknesses. But I don’t expect someone from FoW to be able to exploit such weaknesses.

Omaris Mortuus Est.2738:

They play for PPT, not fun.

They will blob with their entire map zerg run around and cap everything, move to another BL and repeat.

The interesting part is that “we” find capping everything, running around and moving to another BL really fun. We don’t play for PPT. We play to have fun. If “we” have fun in scoring points, then we are playing for fun.
I hope RoS will not win Bronze League, they don’t deserve it. RoF players have a better attitude than Surmians.

lordhelmos.7623:

When mesmer gets buffed to have good condition removal next patch, no one will stand up to a good mesmer. Condition weakness is the only thing keeping that class in check.

I’m calling it now, Dec 10th FOTM will be prismatic understanding mesmers loaded with stealths and phantasms.

The buff to moving celerity to 15pts. is going to make phantasms very easy to build for and spam.

They nerfed WS 5 because they seem to want more windows of opportunity for enemies to attack a ranger but look at the mesmer.

Between mirror (projectile reflect), blurred frenzy (longest dodge in the game), distortion (instant invul, can be used while stunned/cc), blink (instant teleport), decoy, veil, and phase retreat; you will NEVER EVER hit a good mesmer.

You can already look at the patch notes and see where the meta is shaping. With vigor nerfed mesmer will be the ONLY class with such an obscene amount of mitigation while still running full glass.

They will devastate every other class in every game mode.

Explain the 20/20/30/10/15 build to me, please. Don’t spread misinformation, please. The Forum is already full of this.
A mesmer going hybrid is a bad mesmer. Even with the upcoming changes, the most common builds will not change all that much.
Phantasm Mesmer (20-20-0-30-0), GS+Sw/Sw or GS+Sw/P will still be the same.
Shatter Mesmer (20-20-0-0-30) GS+Sw/T, or (0-20-20-0-30) Staff+Sw/X will still be the same.
Prismatic Understanding Mesmer (20-20-30-0-0) Staff+Sw/T or Staff+Sc/T will still be the same.

Illusionist Celerity at 15 is still garbage. There are some MUST have traits that any mesmer cannot overlook for building either PU, Shatter or Phantasm.

If you go Shatter, you need 20 in Dueling, 30 in Illusions and 10 in Domination. The last 10 points will be usually spent in Domination for reduced recharge on GS (more damage) or Torch skills (more survivability).

If you go Phantasm, you need 10 in Domination, 10 in Dueling and 25 in Inspiration. The last 25 points are usually spent in Domination and Dueling; even if you decide to spend them in Illusions for Illusionist Celerity at 15, you are going to choose the USELESS Major Trait in Illusions, giving up a nice stat boost for either 10 points in Domination or 10 in Dueling.

If you go PU, you need 20 points in Dueling and 30 in Chaos. Choosing Illusionist Celerity over 20 points in Domination for the Torch trait is just plain stupid.

All in all, the only builds which will be buffed from Dec 10th patch are Phantasm (because Mender’s Purity will now remove 2 conditions instead than 1) and PU (because you will have a SLIGHLY improved condition damage.

Everything else will stay as it is.

I honesly cannot think of a PU phantasm build, since its phantasms will be dealing 0 damage.

Durzlla.6295:

Substance E.4852:

shimmerless.4560:

Rangers are quite welcome to have their half-minute boons back so long as in return bow skills stop tracking us through stealth!

Maybe play a class that doesn’t need to hide behind clones and stealth? Sorry we have ONE skill that actually works during your frequent jumps into god mode. I’d play you the song of my people on the worlds smallest violin but it’s being restringed.

God mode? All you need to do as a ranger his hit F1 on the real Mesmer, boom you will FOREVER know which is the real one, they stealth? So what don’t command your pet, the second they reveal themselves your pet is back on them trying to rip their jugular out.

Rangers are one of the best profs to fight a Mesmer on because they 1) don’t rely on boons 2) have a lot of evades and mobility and 3) have a pet that always shows you the real one.

This. Although it might sound odd, Rangers DO have some advantages over Mesmers which most classes lack.
At the moment, the best counters to Mesmers are S/D thieves (because the pressure they put on us is too much to handle, we rely on teleports and stuff, but when you press #2 as a thief you are automatically teleported near us unless we stealth) and, guess what, Rangers: their high evasion, their pet and their conditions (especially with easy access to long poision) are really hard to counter for us

Oozo.7856:

kingcragus.6810:

Zord.6130:

kingcragus.6810:

Rofl. They already added a heal the removes confusion on top of whatever condition removal you already have. What else do you want? Perhaps you want these runes nerfing to a point where confusion is just lols again and 100% pointless…then you can get back to spamming your abilities with no risk.

When was the last time any one actually died to confusion? Because I haven’t seen more that 3 stacks on myself for weeks…

Please, refrain from showing your lack of skill to everyone, it might be bad for your reputation (if you even had any).

Couldn’t give a toss about reputation. And how does that even show lack of skill…..only kittens die to confusion.

The following implication is strong: If you defend these runes then you have a lack of skill.

Pretty much.

TheGreatA.4192:

Zord.6130:

Ahah, FSP you surely make me laugh. Keep dreaming of your perfect world made by proud guilds and skillful players.
The only thing I care is killing stuff, and as long as you provide me with something to kill I’ll be happy.

You will kill more in a guild since you will have more to fight against.

…but not enough numbers to do so, unless my guild blobs up with other guilds and… oh look, a blob!

AM is definitely a server worthy of being in Silver League. We blob up, but we just do this. We lack the organization of servers like Vizunah or SFR, so while still having good coverage and numbers, we are in Silver League. Our players might not be the best, but they are proud of being able to “carry” us to victory, even if such victory comes from greater numbers alone. The dedication of a typical AM player is no different from the one of another server in Silver Tier. They still try to do the best they can. And coming here and reading all your posts in the public Forums is just disgusting.

Ahah, FSP you surely make me laugh. Keep dreaming of your perfect world made by proud guilds and skillful players.
The only thing I care is killing stuff, and as long as you provide me with something to kill I’ll be happy.

kribre.9683:

That’s the thing, you guys mostly fail to kill people when the odds are 3 or 4 to 1, you need the 5 or more to 1 to win almost any fights If you follow the instructions as my friendly friend from the VcY corporation here said, you might have the chance and develope the skills one time in the next five years to actually manage to kill your enemies in a 2 to 1 ratio instead!
I wish you all the best luck with practicing your use of the dodge button and the number two button, dont overstress yourself!

We use #2 and #3 buttons when we use Arrow Carts, I guarantee you that’s everything we need to make you mad and to collect bags and to increase our kills and to farm ranks.

kingcragus.6810:

Rofl. They already added a heal the removes confusion on top of whatever condition removal you already have. What else do you want? Perhaps you want these runes nerfing to a point where confusion is just lols again and 100% pointless…then you can get back to spamming your abilities with no risk.

When was the last time any one actually died to confusion? Because I haven’t seen more that 3 stacks on myself for weeks…

Please, refrain from showing your lack of skill to everyone, it might be bad for your reputation (if you even had any).

^^ nice troll attempt, for a moment I though you were actually defending us, shame on me.

Seeing AG people getting mad because we put up ACs on newly capped wooden towers and kill their group is incredibly satisfying.
Thing is, we have fun in killing people. If Anet gave us a nuclear bomb to clear the whole map of enemies in one shot, we would use it. Screw “balance” and “fair fights”, we just want the enemy to die and our people to live.
If you are so obsessed about not using siege, don’t use it. But hate the game if WE use it, don’t hate us, because it’s working as intended.

Vabbi

Minfast.5489:

The love affair between MS and AM with FSP border and blue side of EB gonna end anytime before the week is over?

Lolololol
Stop ranting please. This is WvWvW. If you get attacked by 2 “worlds” together it’s just bad luck for you.
Actually, you being the weakest server in the matchup kind of makes you a nice target for when we are willing to farm a bit or when a new commander tags up.

1- No. If you change server, any upgrade, Influence, Merits etc. will be gone.
2- Did you ACTIVATE the upgrades? Most upgrades needs to be activated in order to take effect