Guild Wars 2

Fluffball.8307:

Zord.6130:

I think the Signet buff is too much honestly. That is the issue, imho.

This is amusing. Take the “worst” profession in the entire game in every single game mode, give them the signets that all other professions enjoy and now they’re completely OP. That’s the issue we’re currently trying to work through. There are psychologists available.

That’s totally wrong.
Rangers have never been the worst profession in all the game modes. In dungeons, good rangers are always appreciated. In pvp, at least until last patch, spirit rangers were really good.
In WvW roaming, the shout regen build was totally faceroll, and in general, good rangers have always been tough to kill.
Also, I don’t give a kitten about ranger’s past. The only thing I care about is balance. The Signets the Ranger has are extremely powerful – way more powerful than ANY other sigil available to other professions. And the reasons behind this its because you had to invest heavily on them to make them really useful.
Now, they have access to the longest damage immunity in the game (and it doesn’t even stop point contesting), and a flat 25% damage increase+stability for 8 seconds. And this on top of an already good ranged weapon like Longbow.
Say what you want, but this is not balance.
Just compare Protect Me with Signet of Stone… If you are focused, protect me is useless unless you have a bear. Who would ever take the former over the latter after the buffs?

Kilger.5490:

Zord.6130:

Tried it all afternoon.
Easy mode.
And to all the people who say “learn to dodge” : you re just acting delusional.
A thief Backstabs me and is DPS ing me down? Just Lb #4. He uses a Shadowstep to come back to me? Lb #3 and reposition. He uses another Shadowstep to come near me? Stone Signet, then rapid fire. Dead thief.
Shadow Arts thieves are more thanks and that’s why I slot Sic Em on my utilities, and they drop like flies.
Meanwhile.

Yep this was all in the game before, gratz on learning how to play ranger! (except sic em is definately better now but still i havent seen one build that uses it since very situational).

Being able to beat 99% of thieves I’ve fought in pvp duel servers with 0 effort and only 5hours of playtime is definitely kittened.
Really, it’s too easy. When I die in WvW it’s because I have been zerged by 10+ people or because two or more thieves jump on me and I have my utilities on Cd – basically things that would kill Amy class.
I think the Signet buff is too much honestly. That is the issue, imho.
It’s fun as hell, mind me, but extremely easy. It’s like a kills hot warrior on steroids.

Tried it all afternoon.
Easy mode.
And to all the people who say “learn to dodge” : you re just acting delusional.
A thief Backstabs me and is DPS ing me down? Just Lb #4. He uses a Shadowstep to come back to me? Lb #3 and reposition. He uses another Shadowstep to come near me? Stone Signet, then rapid fire. Dead thief.
Shadow Arts thieves are more thanks and that’s why I slot Sic Em on my utilities, and they drop like flies.
Meanwhile.

Up! This issue needs addressing, it’s completely game breaking for all thieves!

Tears tears teeears.
If you actually spent your time to learn the class right, and learnt how to juke and mind trick your opponent, you wouldn’t be so clueless now.

They should reduce area might blast finishers to provide 2 stacks of might for 10s. That way, eles could still be good if they stacked might and then proceeded to burst, instead than stacking might and then keeping those 20 stacks indefinitely. Also, considered the huge amount of boons that they have, it’s even quite difficult to remove said stacks.
This change would impact the damage of Hambows too, which would only help the game.

Freedan.1769:

Zord.6130:

Give the phantasm 10 stacks of AoE Torment for 40 seconds. This should balance it a bit.

Not sure if 10 stacks of Torment borderline 1 minute would make this weapon feel comparable to the rest of our weapons; its base damage after all is still going to be pitiful compared to pretty much anything else. That and the fact it bounces onto allies more than enemies doesn’t help it much for the bouncing attacks, its pretty much a recipe for weakness. I still hold out hope that some tester will actually equip the torch and compare it to any other off-hand mesmer weapon and finally realize how terribly underpowered it is and take affirmative action with it. I would be thrilled if the September pack actually did something to address this for mesmer players along with fixing a few of our more obnoxious bugs(nudge nudge).

Agreed. Let’s make it 15 stacks then.

I think it’s fine. The few times I get hit by it I usually laugh hard.

He meant “Thread”.

Cynz.9437:

I am quiting out of principle, i can deal with everything else but torment on AA/clones + none of thief bugs adressed just killed it for me. I know me quiting won’t change anything but at least i would be playing something more fun than watching steal oh fail again while getting showered with condis.

Btw, already running 06206 d/p because everyone and their mother is condi nowdays and mug/2 dodges not gonna save me vs spammable condi bombs flying around/covering entire ground; i get poison from dagger AA so w/e. Would only take mug if i had some reliable condi removal on team atm.

From d/p perspective, sleight of hand is still pretty much a must in tpvp, imo, due to stab rez and stab stomps alone so not much room to play with around really.

Can’t say much for S/D, never liked the set no matter how many times i tried it. I feel like the gameplay/build for s/d will stay about same.

Everything else is still a joke at any decent level of pvp. Anything works in wvw/pve.

If you really are scared about conditions, you should try 60206, with either Revealed Training or the buffed Panic strike.
Your proposed build is really bad, Mug is an extremely good trait both for damage AND survivability.

Agreed with Ostrich.

It’s a little hyperbolic, but think of it this way: imagine a trait like this one “If the enemy team doesn’t have a thief, you automatically win the match”. Now you can say “eh, good teams counter it easily by bringing a thief”. However, every pug team without it will lose the game because of something like that.
Balancing should not ONLY consider “super high tier play”.
Because if a turret engi decides to camp home all the match, there is close to nothing that can be done in the" standard flow" of a soloq match.
It’s the same as old minion necro, but it’s even worse because of the turrets being strong even against crit based attacks and providing enough cc to decap most specs, should they decide to assault far.
Considering the current state of communication options during a soloq match, this spec requires an incredibly high effort in order to be countered, especially compared to the difficulty of playing it.

All previously played AI specs have been toned down (phantasm mesmer, spirit Ranger, mm necro), and are now “balanced”: still incredibly easy to play, but now it takes one decent player to completely counter them even in a 1v1 fight.

Give the phantasm 10 stacks of AoE Torment for 40 seconds. This should balance it a bit.

Elxdark.9702:

sadly kronos is from na :/

I’m pretty sure if he joins to the 1vs1 eu servers he would get rekt.

I think the same tbh

Phaeton.9582:

Bojoo.7819:

My favorite steal bug is when it ports you to target and back in second and leaves you with few condis and in wtfbbq mode.

Caed steal internet and blame anet.

Double port is my fave at the moment too… especially when escaping from something….

To be honest, that has only happened me a few times and only in WvW.
My favourite remains the “Out of Range” one: despite porting to the target, you still get the Skill go in full CD. Funny thing is that, when you use it when the target is ACTUALLY out of range, the skill will only go to 5s CD.
It’s almost as if the game itself wants to troll you.

I will be extremely happy with the dagger buff and the warrior nerf.

PLEASE FIX STEAL!
+1 for Caed s post.

PandemicX.7365:

Thieves can’t kill
Guardian
Warrior
Mesmer
Elemantalist
Engineer
What more??? You’re talkin bout nerf -.-

… And where does this come from?
Thieves CAN kill anything. They lose to some specs IF, and only IF, they are forced to fight in narrow spaces (pvp points).
With enough space to kite (and a decent build) , a thief CAN win against anything aside from maybe a DD Ele.

Switch Arcing Arrow with Combustive Shot.
More adrenaline: more dmg.

But hey, engineers are the hardest class to play!

witcher.3197:

Tim.6450:

witcher.3197:

Considering that warriors really can’t spam cripples,

Take a look at warrior mainhand sword.

Well basically nobody’s running main-hand sword in PvP – condi builds use mace. But you got a point there, immob on autoattack would be imba

When Leg Specialist was put with no ICD, every warrior was using sword main hand in pvp.

Simonoly.4352:

Well the whole triangle thing is just a positional technique to aid a full shatter without a root. Can also be useful in 1v1s against opponents that will easily react to predictable iLeap shatter combos.

Fortunately, 90% of players in WvW do not react to predictable iLeap shatter combos

You know that by connecting 3 dots you will always get a triangle, right?

I agree with the triangles thing being kittened lol

If your target has a brain, he will start attacking the air the moment you stealth and will easily understand what you’re doing if you run “through” him. You can even take more damage than what you do, if the enemy is zerky.
It works on noobs though, I’ll give you that.

^
Fleet Shadow is really, really good for landing your Backstabs.

Clip.6845:

The scepter block is useless when you fight multiple targets though, it almost always goes to something else attacking you like a minion or clone.

And all the clone attacks are single target too, so sure pu mesmer will be buffed a bit on a 1v1. But if that person stands still and doesn’t cast anything but his heal once in a while, that condi mesmer can’t hurt him or force him off a point.

It’s fun. The counter to AI is… AI.

Eliesume.1687:

Is it me or did ANET miss an opportunity to bring back confusion to specter AA. I mean, torment is nice and all, but we have that on Sp #2. If AA would add 2s, 2s, 3s confusion instead, it would be more in line with Mesmer’s overall identity.

That would be even worse then the proposed changes lol

zaxon.6819:

play the actualy patch before you start crying about things.. stop trying to guess that you know things you do not.. it may not have that much of an impact. im not sure how people jump so quickly to tears before play testing.. this is why we need a test server.. so you can get all your tears out early.. and get over it.

Lol

With the frequency of Balance Patches (one every 6 months), all we’re trying to do is preventing a toxic, unnecessary and brainless change to pass through.

The devs want to hear our feedback.
If this wasn’t the case, mesmers would still be complaining about Deceptive Evasion not generating more clones after the third one.

Think before posting, lad.

The warrior adrenaline rework is good for thieves actually, since they shouldn’t have many problems in dodging Eviscerate or Earthshaker.
Also, the dagger buff is cool and LS will make a lot more people complain about it.
Really hope that the mesmer’s scepter auto attack doesn’t get through.

iLeap needed some love to be honest. Staff/Gs is really powerful for ranged kiting, and requires really good positioning to be effective. Sword is a better choice against thieves, but it’s more risky in team fights.
This change would make Mesmers better at spiking the enemy damage dealers, but in team fights, staff/Gs is still the best choice.

StickerHappy.8052:

@ALL

JUST a question, why do people keep mentioning helseth? Does it even matter? So what if he says “oh this.. oh that”

Why do some people even conform to what he says?

Because 99% of the people supporting the Scepter Auto buffs are casual players who can’t imagine what this change would turn mesmers into.
Helseth is widely known as one of the best mesmers in the game, so hearing his opinion might actually make them realise something.
Pretty much every good mesmer out there is against the Scepter auto buff; still have to hear Misha’s opinion but I’m positive it won’t be different.

Pinkcomet.2975:

for me, a guy who cant do anything else (low dps) except stand on point as long as he can while ping map for help.

he just stand there and win.
Because game mode and his teammate.

Q: 5 hambo bunk VS 5 Thieves. Who win?
I think everyone know the answer.

Having played that kind of match from both sides(thanks to soloq matching capabilities) , I guarantee you that the thief team is more likely to win.

Any GOOD mesmer is asking to change the scepter auto Torment.

Please ANet, PLEASE, listen to your players. You did it in the past with Perplexity and Deception Evasion, do it again. Torment on scepter auto and scepter clones is TOXIC for the game!

By your reasoning, since Shadow Arts is not good in sPvP, it should be buffed.
They should buff things that make the game more enjoyable.

Kirito.9207:

Lovely, there’s people already complaining about Mesmer changes screaming OP!

I wish these people would take and play Mesmer for a month straight, come back and tell me they’re alright how they are..

A Month? Lol. As Helseth said, it takes TWO days of learning for a player who is mechanically good to beat any class with the upcoming PU buff.

The fact that mesmers can’t hold point with PU is irrelevant AND wrong. I can easily see a PU mesmer as a mid point supporter. Their role won’t be the one of a Shatter Mesmer. PU will be used only when they are focused in team fights or when trying to escape from a lost fight. The pressure they can put out with the added Torment is insane.
Also, the 4s Torment application will be on the 2nd attack, not on the third. This would ensure an average of 4 Torment stacks just from the Mesmer Auto. With clones up, that can reach 5 (assuming 2 clones).
5 stacks of Torment means death if not cleansed ASAP, and this is without counting the Block(5 more stacks) , the bleeds and the Confusion)

We definitely needed more braindead-ness. Because PU wasn’t faceroll already.

Mid Is better, as there is a higher possibility of an already weakened enemy, which you can help bursting down and get the edge.
Assuming you’ve just spawned, I’d go to decap far while trying to keep an eye on mid and on the enemy 5th.
If the enemy 5th goes to your home and is a thief, try ambushing him when he opens on your home bunker.

moi.4398:

Nice to know , I knew for the 1v1 at forest ( thx king of the hill ) but not for the others map , so I’m not the only one who find some things " weirds " or " unfair " in duels . I totally understand and agree with your point , crate included .

But in a other sense , I’m so sick of thieves resetting the fight with Shadow refuge ( imo this skill is not a resetter itself but 6 Shadows Arts with the obvious traits make it ) that I will not throw the rock to the OP by use crate in this situation .

And as you said , its WvW , everything is fair

There are many ways to throw a thief off a refuge. When you are fighting against a thief, especially if he is SA based, you should keep your trump card for when he uses SR. SA thieves usually use Refuge when they are low on HP, so if you have some AoEs you can easily finish him off.

This thread again

mao.9832:

Against an Hambow warrior use their steal when they start using the shortbow or dagger/storm and if you’re d/d it’s easy to kill them. Just be ready to dodge when they switch to hammer and blind them.

If a Hambow loses to a DD Thief… He’s doing it wrong.

If I have all the crafting professions at 500 but not a single Blade Shard, is the Tempered Spinal Blade Pack still the cheapest to make?

Learn to play.
Problem solved. Easy.

Didn’t play pvp for a month and was in the 98%.
Played 4 matches, won and got to rank 21.
Oh, and these matches were a mix of: 4v5, afkers, Signet of Malice thieves, PU mesmers. Won by over 200 points each.
And I’m bad.

It also has an internal cooldown of 2s, meaning that once the effect procs, you need to wait at least 2seconds before benefiting from it again.

When determining the Duration of a Condition applied to you, you do the following math:
First, you take into account the BASE duration of the condition the skill applies. In your example, 4s Bleed for Vital Shot.
Then, you add in ALL the modifiers, be them positive (like increased condition duration Food, Traits, Sigils, Runes) or negative (food, Runes, traits).
Of course, you subtract the negative values and you add the positive values. After this calculation, you add this number (which might be either Positive or Negative) to the BASE condition duration of the skill and you determine the “final” duration of the condition.

Simply put, if someone is using Hoelbrak Runes and gets hit by Vital Shot whose user has 75% condition duration, the final modifier will be: (75-20)=+55%.
So, the Bleed applied by Vital Shot will be (4*1.55)=6.2s long.

That’s OK.
Just swap Descent of Shadows (or Side Strikes) for Vigorous Recovery, which enables you to maintain Perma Swiftness while ooc through dodging and Withdraw.
Traveler Runes are better replaced by Pack or Strength Runes. Hoelbrak are also nice.
Gear choice is fine. Food, I’d take – 40% condition duration.

A few days ago I was paired with a guy who said “Please don’t get mad at me, I’m only lv30 on this character and I don’t have maxed gear yet”, or something like that.

I’d second a Black Powder field, too.
After all, there are many traits that trigger weapon skills if certain things are met – Lava Tomb, Symbol of Retaliation, Chaos Storm…

With this kind of field, all that’s required is a main hand dagger or a Shortbow to get stealthed reliably.
Win win situation for every one.

moi.4398:

With Steb’s logic , PERSONAL skill is juged in TEAM fight lol . Nice one

It’s totally true.
Being a good dueler does not mean that you are a good player, too. Unless we consider only dueling of course.
Conquest mode has a lot of things that one player has to take into account, be it rotations, communication, decision making and fighting ability.
The only thing that is measured in a 1v1 is the fighting ability(against ONE opponent). Other things are way more important than fighting ability.
As a thief, you can always best an enemy thief in a set up 1v1, but if he outsmarts you and manages to get the jump on you during a Conquest game, he will be more useful to the team than you.

Take Sizer: he is not the BEST dueler, but he is definitely the best thief player around.
Not saying that 1v1 are meaningless – a good player will be good at dueling, but it’s not everything, and it’s only a fraction of the “personal skill” in a Conquest game.

Booms.2594:

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

I actually don’t think this will effect my play-style too much, but yeah as people mentioned – it’s the strength runes and duo Air/Fire Sigils that make that certain build seem like it’s OP.

I dont want to be a kitten but to people like amon it really doesnt matter that it wont affect lowlevel thieves, this change will hurt thieves immensely at top level pvp

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