this latest patch has just been awesome..
me and my guild now roam around the world looking for chests rather than farm pent/shelt. , it takes us to all corners of the map…add in a couple of dungeons, fotm, wvw and spvp.. its makes my few hrs a day online very enjoyable.
thank you
Selebrity I actually play the same as u.. Login for maybe 2 hrs, do daily, kill dragons and farm pent shelt to ensure I make a bit of gold… Now the dragons give better loot, I can do something else rather than pent shelt and not be too much worse off.. And maybe even enjoy it a lil more.. My point was that ppl complain about grinding, then complain about taking grinding away.. The biggest thing ppl were complaining about pve wise, was the crap precursor drop rate, and the dismal loot from chests and temple’s forcing ppl to grind pent shelt over and over and over… They have addressed this which in think is a good thing
This is madness.. As it was, all ppl were doing was grinding pent and shelt.. How boring mindless garbage endgame is that! So anet have changed it, encouraging everyone to complete the temples, kill dragons are explore other areas. They’ve added guild missions which will be great once bugs are fixed, they’ve fixed a couple dungeons such as ac, given us new ways to get precursors and asended items, they’ve given us a new map in sPvP and created solo q, and rating matching.. They fixed a lot of bugs and made a few tweaks to classes.. All in all. Excellent patch and I can’t wait to play it later today.. It’s not a perfect game by any stretch, and they could buff a number of weaker builds, but i think that will come in time… Those wanted to rage quit seriously take games far too seriously
matching making based on ratings takes time.. its been hours since the release, so it is simply crazy to be complaining at this point. give it a few weeks at least
go back to paids? what paids? when i play there are NO paids on at all, ever. same can be said for everyone who doesnt play during peak US time.
this leads me to the solo q seperate from team q. This would not work either cos there is not enough premade to make it viable imo. so if your a premade, trying to play at non peak times, it simply wont happen or you will just vs the same team over and over.
and you said you won 4/9 games while q’ing solo.. i dont see a problem there
why dont you all have a cry and hug each other? then go and play wow and everyones happy. the whingers are gone, while the rest of us enjoy playing an excellent game which will consistently improve patch to patch.
this game is still in its infancy and from what i can see, the devs are consistently working on improving the game. Paid tournies didnt really work due to long q times etc, so they changed it. If ratings being invisible becomes an issue, they will change it. it is day ONE of the ratings and matchmaking system, a new interesting map and a better solo q function.
whinge whinge kittenn whinge
this is a great update.
they have only made minor changes to class balance, but im ok with that. The games stilll alot of fun. Like other MMO pvp better, fine, go there and stop your childish complaining. Stick to constructive feedback the devs can use.
Then solo q function combined with the rating matching should work great after a few weeks.
The reason solo are being q’d with premade is cos of lack of numbers, and a ratings system in its infancy. I beleive it will improve over time.
good job anet !
Edit. Just understood the notes better. It means u can’t use a kit before the nade barrage cos it won’t trigger kit refinement.. This certainly doesn’t help but just means u need to change ur rotation somewhat.
Kit refinement now has a 10s cooldown which is less than grenade barrage so I don’t see a prob.. More confusion stacks on pry bar is a buff to the build imo
U have pve, dungeons, spvp, wvw and fotm.. That’s a lot for the vast majority of us.. Want more. Get 2 legendarys and rank to level 80 in pvp… Seriously, this is stupid talk, I’ve put 600 hrs in and have only done 2 dungeons and I’m level 5 fotm.. Sure I focus alot on pvp but I’ve still got soo much to do
hi, im a 600hr thief, recently converted to engi and loving it.
the OP is referring to the thief that has a laugh by sitting in zergs, constantly cnd’ing (cloke and dagger) into stealth. with 30 traits shawdow arts they regen nice amount of health. … the key to catching and killing this sneaky guy is to prevent him from landing his cnd, if you see the thief ‘blink’ .. you know he is going to try and land cnd again in about 4 seconds.. so you use, any sort of block, or even just dodge .. either that, or blast the area with aoe and cc’s, think chill grenade, tool belt nails, big ol bomb, flash bomb, glue bomb etc etc .. just dont think that because he went into stealth, he is gone, cos ive done it many time before and ppl are just clueless, and we generally hang around till we’re caught, then shadowstep, sb inf shot outa there.
in regard to the insta gib bs thief, well, if they use haste and bal venom then ur screwed unless your tanky or u have the protection on stun trait or drink ex s at 25% hp , that may not even save you.. it happens so quickly with haste you just dont have time to break stun manually. alot of them have a macro, or have the combo lined up on there numpad so they can do the rotation v fast.
if the thief doesnt use haste, then you have enough time to hit your stun breaker, and yes, you can break out of balistic venom.. this all depends on reaction times. basic rule of thumb is if you get turned to stone, you straight away stun break, even tho he might not be a backstabber..(95% of them are)
most thieves will have 1 stunbreaker, which is a 50s cooldown. .engi’s have alot more than 1 type of stun or knockback or immobilise so use them.. overpower shot, big ol bomb at my feet, magnet, rifle 3, BOOM
hey pup, chucknorris here, i will guest over from time to time. hope to see u round! not happy they changed grenth
@themaskedparadigm… arr i didnt realise how much it has been farmed until i had a better read of these threads.. theres also talk un-named chests such as glorious chests dont have to share the same loot table as teq drops a normal unnamed chest yet hes the only one who drops the shard of the deep
hi,
i did the Zho’qafa quest last night.. 3 champions followed by eye of zhaitan (legendary), not the easiest DE in the world if ur ina small group.
its catacombs, its a open world quest, it hasnt been farmed much and there is a massive chest at the end of it. . mark my word, it comes from this chest
i have to revive the warriors and gaurdians constantly when i run dungeons as a glass cannon thief, it actually gets kinda annoying, thinking they are heros
with bosses, i sit back and spam unload.. massive sustained dmg and out of harms way. I revive using shadow refuge, and clear a condi/refill endurance of teamates with sig agil
Unfortunately its still possible for a single new person to fail it for an entire server, even if they have a mostly competent group that can do it, 1 new person see’s the event as there going through the zone and runs in, gets agro, drops boss near stairs and bam you’ve failed through no fault of 99% of people there.
Heck if it took some one they could actively try to grief it if they wanted to because of the way the encounter is.
doesnt it restart in 5 minutes?
im all for any size group to be trying it as its currently perma contested on my server (yaks bend)
hardcore mode in diablo is the latest game i played with perma-death.. its insanley tense, but at the same time you need to play everything safe and therefore you wouldnt see any more melee chars.
im all for tougher penalties on dying though
Did my first night dungeon last night, had shadow refuge sig agility and smoke screen on my bar and equipped pp and sb, for mobs I used sb with all the blast finishers, aoe weakness bla bla and for bosses used pp… Now with bosses, my unloads hit very hard.. So the end result is high sustained dmg, without ever dying, and some nice team focussed utilities… How is that bad? Am I missing something? Note I’m a pvp player hence my inexperience in dungeons
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imo s/d is the best melee set we have… and doesnt get boring like dd, dp, pd
combining the amazing infiltrator strike, with dazes, stealth, evades, boon removal etc etc all while dealing crazy damage makes the funnest and versitile weapon set we have..
ppl will obviously disagree with me, so maybe its just my playstyle
i guess Anet agreed that it was pretty stupid if you dont have the falling dmg triat, high hp or range.
he has been nerfed quite considerably acording to the patch notes.
couple tips please for the uncoordinated servers?
yeah its a bit of a laugh.. i tried about 4 times, same thing happened everytime…
i would run in, to the sides, and try and kite, a huge red circle would surround me, two dodges to get out of the way, BAM hit the roof, insta killed.. i would then watch as others walked in. .BAM hit the roof. insta death haha
^^ im pretty sure dufty is a chick
anyhow, i might just craft stygian and see, its not as expensive as the others as it doesnt need lodestone.. saying that, 250 each of v.claws and powerful blood isnt exactly cheap
thanks
that pic of unspoken curse is the only pic on the net that i could find.. it does look huge but the the guy in the pic might just be small, hence why i was asking if someone has actually crafted it.
as for stygian, cant find 1 single pic of it online (apart from the preview), obviously not a very popular sword.
pretty sure you get corrupted from grenth temple.
anyhow, in frostgrove, just south of where jormag spawns, you will find a heap of ice elementals in those canyons (and imps).. thats where i go if i need to farm..
tbh, id just buy them on the tp as they are way cheaper than all the others..
hi has anyone crafted the stygian or unpoken curse swords?
I know i can view the preview but that doesnt show you the full effect.. is there any particles or glow, or are they just a green sword and a red/orange sword?
They have actually banned a few bots from frostgrove which is why the prices have gone up by about 50s each.. I’d aim to farm frostgrove for about 40 mins each day and do the grenth d.e and u should be fine… U will either get 3 a day or none, it’s that random..I got my 20 in about 2 weeks
Hey Leo, I rekon it looks cool, good work.. What sword is that in your picture?
@shizzlenit.. That’s pretty much my favorite build after countless hours trying different builds.. Only problem is lack of condi removal.. Do ya rekon its worth switching sos for sig of agility?
i dont know about you guys, but using cluster bomb from a decent range is painful as it takes so long to travel
as scooter is saying, for high level bosses, where u really should not go into melee range, P/P is the best by a mile!
SB mobs,
Melee vets and normal champs
P/P bosses
I threw in dyes to forge managed to get abyss dye on the 4th try.
Rng is rng.
i did the same thing.. bought 4 rares from the TP, put them in the forge and blow me dead.. Abyss dye on the first go.. could have sold it for 17g but i consumed it instead..
decided to do it 4 more times, to see if i can get it again.. even though i didnt, i received white gold, white and hot pink and netting myself a nice little profit
rng is rng , but imo def worth a try if you really want the abyss
Out dps condition builds by a lot? 1 death blossom ~ 6k AoE dmg, ignoring armor. And in a structured team you are the only one with bleed. 25 stacks just for you.
to get that much damage from 1 DB you would have to have the bleeds last over 15 seconds so its actually only around 400-500 dps
everyone who has played both specs knows conditions specs take alot longer to kill things but you get alot more suvivability … thats the trade off.. trying to argue condition specs do similar dps to direct damage is madness.
i actually run a condition spec and love it.. but the dps potential is alot lower than crit/pwr builds
These posts are really good.. Just equip berserker, and go with 10/30/30/0/0. Abuse stealth and daze auto alot, use inf strike alot and use 3 for on demand evade, boon removal,… nce u get a lot of practice use it as spike dmg… I can sometimes hit 7 or 8k just with fs… Enjoy the funnest build we have!
Thanks for the info valk, I’ll definitely add ya as a friend.. I sometimes play earlier but I usually wait till the missus to go to sleep before I crank it up.. I also play different times on weekends so that could work.. Fyi im a rank 31. Thief and can play all builds… Hopefully see ya ingame soon…
hey valk… got a few questions im hoping you can help me with..
u play in australia right? i live in syd and play around 11pm to 1.30am and seriously, there is never any tournies running, paid or free.. am i missing something? everytime i check there is max of 1 team queueing .. my guild is only pve so im on my own. also, this may sound like a dumb question but is tpvp world server specific? for example, im on yaks bend, am i able to play with someone on sea of sorrows? as i always thought once you head to the heart of the mists, it doesnt matter what server you are on?
Hi all, tonight in Australia the network lag is horrific.. Press a button and nothing happens for a few seconds.. My fps is around 90 and I have not Internet connection issues
Las night was fine today it’s unplayable.. Really not happy, please fix!
hey doctor.. in my opinion, PP is best used as a secondary weapon set rather than primary
i think it works best when the enemy is about 50% life, and you can switch to pp, move out of melee range, and hit them with a sneak attack followed by unload.. use haste for this combo and u can easily finish off someone who has 8k of life left.
i am amazed ppl dont realise how effective pp can be in certain situations.
therefore, can i suggest you try using a melee weapon set with pp and drop the sb.. (still keep the sb in your inventory to move around the map)
nice vid btw
The key to sd imo is presicion so load up on that with either Knights or berserker.. I’d also seriously consider sos as a utility.. When your auto attacking its crucial to stay in range and therefore moving slightly quicker than your opponent allows you to get the full sword auto chain in.. Oh and use your infiltrator strike as much as possible
Imo u need precision for sd so u crit on as many hits as possible… Im. Actually starting to love flanking strike.. With enough practice u can use it when your enemy is off to your right and flanking strike leads u right to them.. This is great when they are trying to move out of melee range… Not sure if sd is better than dd but alot more fun imo
Some of best editing I’ve seen on a gw2 pvp vid
say your fighting someone in melee with daggers or sword, you can hit c+d, swap to pp and move out of the danger melee range and open up with a sneak attack then unload at a relatively safe distance. . it works surprisingly well.
You could also just backstab and autoattack them for 2 seconds for significantly more damage, with less initiative spent, and you won’t have to close the gap again if you wanted to keep doing damage.
Your missing the point entirely.. I’m talking about when u need to get out of melee range so u don’t die.. Backstab is also harder to hit then sneak attack… And u clearly have no idea of the damage potential of pp.. As I’ve mentioned a number of times a sneak attack followed by unload can hit for 9k at a safer range.. Arguing this point is pointless to ppl who haven’t used pp extensively.
thanks akumetsu and Iohanna, i will be def giving d/p another try this week.. its funny i honestly cant remember the last time i ran into a d/p thief
i actually use d/p for levelling in pve (still not lvl 80 even tho im rank 32 in pvp) so im quite comfortable with the mechanics
couple questions thouigh..
how do you open? do you just walk right up and drop bp into hs?
do you use shadow shot often?
alot of ppl complain about shadow shot, in that it roots u for a short period of time rendering the skill very crap. . is this true?
which utilities do u usually prefer? im assumiing you dont bother with sos?
thanks!
There has been an absurd amount of time devoted to trying to prove the statement that unload does less DPS than sword chain. The point that pistols are ranged and sword is melee is valid, but most (some have mentioned it) people posting here have ignored shortbows, which do far more damage than pistols ever could.
The only thing pistols really have going for them are their non-unload skills, which have great utility without any damage, leaving you with #1 shots for damage, which are condition damage based and fairly mediocre.Whew.
So, assuming that shortbow has an intentionally higher DPS than pistol/pistol, a more constructive comparison to make would be pistol/pistol’s damage respective to other ranged utility builds (which seem not to really exist at the level pistol/pistol delivers).
So this all comes down to one point: if pistol/pistol is useful for its bad-to-mediocre damage at range while providing useful utility: a role with little to no competition from other classes – why does unload even exist? Should unload even be paid attention to or is it a useless ability? I would argue that it is, in fact, useless.
“…shortbows, which do far more damage than pistols ever could”
are you serious?
as my post mentioned before.. .when i switch from melee to p/p i hit a sneak attack for 3.5k then a 6k unload (give or take depending on toughness of enemy) … how on earth does shortbow come even close to that?
damage outputs for SB are cluster bomb and trick shot.
cluster bomb .. if a target is moving away from you cos they have low health, how exactly do you cluster bomb spam? you cant.. if a taget player is moving in any direction, cb misses as its ground target and have a long travel time.
trick shot is just weak and is about par with pistol 1 when vs 1 player.. alot better when going for aoe..
SB is better AOE damage and PP is better single target dmg.. FACT check the stats mate
P/P is superior under the condition that you can’t catch them for melee-range damage (be it sword, dagger, or shortbow) and they can’t get away from you to completely negate pistol’s damage, which is not a very common situation. Either you’re dictating range and you can dictate a high-damage range (close enough to use good damage abilities) or they’re dictating range and you don’t get to do any damage because you can’t dictate range.
i see where your coming from but i still think your undermining how effective pp can be
say your fighting someone in melee with daggers or sword, you can hit c+d, swap to pp and move out of the danger melee range and open up with a sneak attack then unload at a relatively safe distance. . it works surprisingly well.
There has been an absurd amount of time devoted to trying to prove the statement that unload does less DPS than sword chain. The point that pistols are ranged and sword is melee is valid, but most (some have mentioned it) people posting here have ignored shortbows, which do far more damage than pistols ever could.
The only thing pistols really have going for them are their non-unload skills, which have great utility without any damage, leaving you with #1 shots for damage, which are condition damage based and fairly mediocre.Whew.
So, assuming that shortbow has an intentionally higher DPS than pistol/pistol, a more constructive comparison to make would be pistol/pistol’s damage respective to other ranged utility builds (which seem not to really exist at the level pistol/pistol delivers).
So this all comes down to one point: if pistol/pistol is useful for its bad-to-mediocre damage at range while providing useful utility: a role with little to no competition from other classes – why does unload even exist? Should unload even be paid attention to or is it a useless ability? I would argue that it is, in fact, useless.
“…shortbows, which do far more damage than pistols ever could”
are you serious?
as my post mentioned before.. .when i switch from melee to p/p i hit a sneak attack for 3.5k then a 6k unload (give or take depending on toughness of enemy) … how on earth does shortbow come even close to that?
damage outputs for SB are cluster bomb and trick shot.
cluster bomb .. if a target is moving away from you cos they have low health, how exactly do you cluster bomb spam? you cant.. if a taget player is moving in any direction, cb misses as its ground target and have a long travel time.
trick shot is just weak and is about par with pistol 1 when vs 1 player.. alot better when going for aoe..
SB is better AOE damage and PP is better single target dmg.. FACT check the stats mate
@ Iohanna would you mind sharing your d.p build? i used it for my first 20 ranks in pvp and loved it but havnet used it for such a long time it would be good to see a build from someone who knows the weapon set back to front. thanks
look at it this way
would you use backstab on a condition thief
well why would you use sneak attack on a crit thief then?
lol
why would you use sneak attack on a crit thief?
on a crit thief.. sneak attack hits for around 2.5-4k depending on toughness of the enemy. add that to the approx 1200 bleed dmg (with no added condi dmg) and you have a sneak attack doing effectivly 3.7-5.2k in total. how is that no usefull? also, the sneak attack with shadow refuge gives huge life stealing numbers
im a crit/power build, and fight primarily in melee,.. towards the end on the fight, i hit c+d, swap to P/P, move out of the danger zone then and hit a 3.5k sneak attack followed by a 6k unload.. enemy dead
im referring to spvp btw
@mufa … agree with you 100%
P/P is my secondary set and i absolutely love it for all the points you have made.. being able to swap to p/p towards the end of a fight and hit a 3k sneak attack followed by a 5-6k unload at range is pretty dam awesome
pretty sure the two posters above me are right.. he is a healing condition p/d spec.
the trick is to dodge a few seconds AFTER the pistol unload, so he misses his c + d skill which puts him back into stealth, 1 missed c+d puts him on the back foot, and two misses means his dead. also make sure you cc him as much as possible.
not once in the vid did i see the shadow refuge → sneak attack → unload combo in your vid.. which is my fav thing to do..
the amount of life steal you get (on top of normal dmg) outweighs the benefit of the +15% signet in my opinon.
still, was a fun video to watch and its good to see some other p/p do well out there.. keep it up .. looking forward to a buff later this week
MrBig that is great news, will be trying it out later today.
How do you know they suddenly work and what is the daze duration if you have the runes?
Thanks