Guild Wars 2

I solo queued alot of matches over the weekend and as such, completely ruined my rating, 50% chance of someone leaving meaning a loss.. Playing with incompetent pve’ers who jus want a couple of achievement points.. Meaning a loss.. A mean heck, some ppl were saying they’ve never even played the map before! Some saying lol I have no idea wat I’m doing.. kitten of and get some practice in hotjoin.. So frustrating

This is similar to my new build, well a build I’m trying with varying success

, I use kr instead of speedy kits and nades instead of toolkit… My combo is throw ex s, bob, switch to bomb kit to trigger kr, plant 2 normal bombs, then grenade barrage as they are sucked in… I haven’t though of jump shot so thanks for that

Lots of cons to the build and it’s no where near as good a hgh condi, but i like to deal max pain and it’s alot of fun so stuff it
Also my character name is captain bomber so I’m kinda obliged to use this kinda build lol

Why isn’t this thread a sticky, really really helpful thanks

It’s one of the strongest downed states in game for pvp. Damage is ridiculous and you can easily prevent two stomps.. So unless they have different downed abilities between pve and pvp I think your outa luck

Taril and daserine – agree 100%

The others just aren’t experienced enough to understand, I bet they didn’t even know engi had the highest burst ingame before the latest patch

i have noticed myself more and more catching the reveal debuff when triggering His, time to give withdraw a go

with s/d… infiltrator strike, withdraw, steal, cnd, shadowstep etc will make you one seriously annoying target

can someone please tell me how to detonate the mine that the granade kit drops

thanks

getting sick of these threads.

Can you please stop playing thief and play another class.. the less whinging thieves there are, the better it is.

Upon class changes, you simply need to learn and adapt to the changes

Throw elixer s, run into crowded point, bob, swith to bombs, bomb twice, suck 3 ppl in, grenade barrage just before bob triggers..
KABOOM
I’m not saying it will work everytime, but it is a way to use the new kr effectively.. Learn and adapt

I’ve been trying too, considering my char name is captain bomber

With the new kit refinement I’ve been practicing a really difficult combo, and I’m getting better at landing it, it goes something like this

Run to a crowded point, throw ex s for stealth or stability, once in the middle bob, swith to bomb kit, bomb, bomb, once players are sucked in, grenade barrage just before bob goes off..

Yesterday I literally blew 3 players up,

Lots can go wrong but I think with practice you can make it work

I’m really struggling to get my might stacks upto 20+, thanks for the tips

I think this is a l2 kitten ue

Player skill is more important than class

Eggs what build are u now running after the 100nade nerf? Hgh condi? I like max direct dmg and I’m kinda struggling

I was using this method with excellent effect setting up my 100nade, I’m trying to build it into different build now

pretty sure grenade barrage without KR still hits for 10k if your GC. Thats from RANGE, on a base 30s cooldown.

Throw in some other big hitting abilities, like pry bar, smack chain, bomb1, BOB, thumper/rifle turrents (after buff) and you still have plenty of burst.. so i dont think the KR nerf will be that bad for us you like to deal max pain

Kage you shouldnt of said PvE.. .these warrior hero’s are unbelievable at beating mobs which move slower than a tree stump.

i agree with your op, i think after a day you will get use to a slightly differenet rotation and just be a little more mindful of the reveal debuff. no big issue

I’ll comment on spvp

Strongest.. Up until tonight, burst engi ’s are ridiculous.. Burst thieves always strong and at the other end, bunker eles and Bm ranger are super strong and mesmers always one of the best
Weakest.. Warriors and necro imo

Just let these ppl who like uber speed runs just go on their merry way.. All there making money for is for cosmetic skin’s,which I’m sure they’ve already got by now.. Warriors are the worst class in pvp, so it had its drawbacks.

Love that weapon setup.. Quick question, were u fully glass cannon, cos u were hitting over 6k on the 2nd strike of fs alone.. Meaning fs was hitting for like 9k which crazy

@dasorine your last post is 100% correct… Thieves aren’t bad at all in pve but the 15 yr old speed farmers only want warriors, due to 100b..cos this means they will fit in 20 cof p1 runs for the day instead of 19.

For Every one else, thieves are no prob

@swinsk dude jinzus build is like 6 months old back before the ball venom nerf, assassins sig nerf and cnd nerf.. All it is now is your standard gc backstab build, which is easily avoided if you don’t use haste.. And the stealth nerf will hardly affect anyone as only trolls chain cnd’d… Why? Cos in 6 to 7 seconds it takes to chain 2 cnds, your opponent will prob of out healed u, got their burst off cooldown etc etc

Welcome to the club mate

Master this setup and u will dominate

yeah id turn it on.. once you get use to it i think its more efficient.. its also good to get use to if you play other classes which use ground targeting..

i got chain feared the other day in sPVP, checked my death sheet, 11k dmg from fear. i didnt have a stun break on cd, so there was absolutely nothing i could of done to avoid it. i dont play necro but i thought that was pretty impressive

I agree that the thief is nowhere near as good in pve as a ‘super’ class which combines all the best aspects of the other 7 classes and none of the drawbacks..

Lol at OP. So u won’t be able to 1v5+ anymore? Oh no that’s really unfair!

This is not a big issue at all imo. I think in my 700 hrs of thief game play I’ve chained cnd maybe 5-10 times.. Will we have to be more careful when using hide in shadows? Yes, but that’s bout it

Kurow.6973:

bomber.1540:

@kurow add me and let’s duel spvp, u will see how stupid your post is

edit: prob need to clarify, PP is my secondary weapon set instead of SB, and i switch to it to finish off players who are at or below 50%… PP as a main weapon set is a completely different story, and i dont suggest doing that. PP is really good in spvp as secondary if your bored of SB.. stepping out of melee range, while in stealth, switching to pp, then sneak attack and unload surprises alot of ppl

Good to see you agreeing with me, while making yourself look like a tool all in one post.

hu?

your post said… “sPvP…it’s garbage. Only REALLY terrible players will have trouble dealing with it. Playing this in sPvP is like setting a handicap for yourself.”

and my post is clearly saying how great PP is in spvp , completely disagreeing with you… yes i use it as a secondary set, but i still use it ..does that mean im handicapping myself, or i can only beat really terrible players,? i dont think so mate

Did he say in his comments he’s a keyboard turner and his thumb presses all the skills, far out, impressive

@kurow add me and let’s duel spvp, u will see how stupid your post is

edit: prob need to clarify, PP is my secondary weapon set instead of SB, and i switch to it to finish off players who are at or below 50%… PP as a main weapon set is a completely different story, and i dont suggest doing that. PP is really good in spvp as secondary if your bored of SB.. stepping out of melee range, while in stealth, switching to pp, then sneak attack and unload surprises alot of ppl

dreztina.4820:

Since my last post in the thread I’ve been running p/p with s/d swap in spvp and it’s actually pretty good. I’m usually top score on my team, often the game as a whole. I don’t feel as strong as I do on my ele, but this is essentially my first time playing a thief, so I just don’t have the experience to really dominate. But it’s strong and has a lot of potential. I think once I master the general thief play this build will be on par with any other thief build.

Hey mate, well I’ve literally played thousands of spvp games and this is what I roll with.. Use sd as ur main, switch to pp when u have fury up, use battle sigil, and pew pew them dead as they usually have no dodges left. Also a shadow refuge sneak attack unload combo is an absolute game changer…

Creld.8702:

My direct damage combo…
Analyze->Net Attack->Surprise Shot->Net Shot->Drop+Overcharge Net turret-> Jump/Overcharge shot->Surprise shot->Net shot again

With static discharge, most people are dead, dying, or trying to high tail it out.

For conditions…
Static shot-> Dart volley-> Blowtorch -> Shrap grenades -> Freezing Grenades-> Poison grenades-> Back to shrap-> then any pistol skill of cooldown.
Rinse and repeat.

I do something similar while setting up my 100nade. Analyze, jump shot, overcharge shot, googles to break my own stun and give my fury. Net shot, toolkit netshot, 100nade… I’ll drop net turrent if any of my net shots miss. With sitting duck, they will have20+ stacks of vulnerability so it generally one shots nearly all classes
Obviously this is for spvp.

For conditions , big ol bomb, fire bomb, concussion bomb, grenade 2…all before big ol bomb goes off, then pistol 4, static shot, grenade 4

It’s actually a pretty good idea, I’d even suggest lvl20+ but unfortunately there just isn’t enough players to implement such change

Keyboard warriorssyndrome.

I’ve ranked upto lvl 30 in hotjoins alone. Why? Cos I play late at night in aust which is 4-7am in the US. Total dead zone where zero tourneys would pop. Does that mean I have no right to an opinion? kitten off, u have no idea

@amadeus, are u able to tell me if on-crit conditions such as sharp shooter have an ICD? Trying to get an understanding of jus how important precision is.

thieves pull is almost identicle, and can quite easily be followed by devour venom, cnd and backstab, yet i see nobody complaining about scorpion wire

i dont use magnet, instead i use net turrent, so i have 3 chances of landing the immobilise net. if i land all 3 = 15 stacks of vulnerability, and yes when that happens, i can one shot you.. . it is a bit overkill i agree, which is why anet said today they will nerf kit refinement

if they nerf backstab, shatters, 100blade, killshot etc then yes, you can nerf 100nad

more mobility to weapon sets other than shortbow! YES PLEASE

woo happy with what was said in that interview as i dont chain stealth, ever

i want more viable builds, do this and my thief will come come out of semi retirement

two good engi players arguing actually provides some really good info about the class. im relatively new to engi and appreciate the info both of you supply on these forums.

try not to highjack the thread though.

@ amadeus – totally agree with the lack of condition cleansing. if you dont trait elixers ur pretty stuffed against conditions

but i agree with eggs and zin, wvw and spvp completely different. u mentioned numbers are just numbers. well ur health bar is a number, and that number goes down a hell of a lot quiker in wvw due to the increased offensive stats.

no SD love at all? im very surprised to hear most top thieves dont even try it

inf stike gives you the best mobility in game, blinking in an out, combing with stealth from cnd makes seriously hard to track .i use 10/30/30/0/0 with citadel runes x5, divinity x1..means when i stealth i heal and cleanse conditions, this boosts ur survival 10 fold.

damage is insane, fs hits for almost as much as backstab.. and sword auto is extremely potent. all while ur target is dazed.

dont like the way things are going or get stunned, blink out with inf strike. like SP, its the perfect counter to other thieves, just make sure shadow return is always up

not saying its a better build to yours, but i think youll b surprised.

Destroyer.1306:

Most people on this forums will tell you HGH is the highest DPS. I disagree.

If you go HGH stacking, you’ll lose 200-300 Precision and 200-300 Condition damage from the Firearms tree. The 5, 15, and 25 automatic traits are better DPS in Firearms than Alchemy. You’ll lose a dps Sigil like Fire or Force to Sigil of Battle. You’ll lose a ton of Rune stats if you go 2x Altruism, 2x Hoelbrak, and 2x Fire (total: 50 power, 25 Healing, 40% Might duration, 3 Mights every 10 seconds versus, for example, 120 Power, 84 Precision, and 12% max crit with Ruby Orbs). If you go Enhance Performance, you’ll lose 10% damage from not having Explosive Powder. If your Might stack is at 25, you’ll lose any Mights that allies might hand out. And most importantly, you’ll waste global cooldowns nursing your Might stack instead of DPSing.

I think Engineers are better off using a Grenadier build with a little bit of rotation outside of Grenade Kit to get through cooldown lulls. For instance, Tool Kit has two heavy hitters in Prybar and Throw Wrench. Rifle has a few heavy hitters. Pistol 4 is a heavy hitter, especially with Napalm Specialist. Elixir Gun 4 is a heavy hitter. Flamethrower 2 is a heavy hitter as well.

Personally, I think Static Discharge + Surprise Shot is incredible — it takes up no global cooldown time, it requires only 10 trait points and 1 utility slot, and it’s a substantial boost to dps because it fires every 8 seconds.

I use a very similar build to yours — 30/25/0/0/15 or 30/25/0/5/10, with Grenade Kit / Rifle Turret / Tool Kit. Between Prybars, multiple Static Discharges, Sigil of Fire or Force, multipliers from Explosive Powder, Target the Maimed and Weak, you get a lot of things most HGH builds don’t.

But no one really knows until A-net lets people see damage meters, which will probably never happen.

im with u on this one… with condition spec, i like the runes of undead, you get around 570 extra condi dmg if you trait firearms, 300 more precision, much better minor traits and the option to choose whichever healing/utilities you like.. i generally will use battle sigil and trait enhaned perf, so im usually running around with 10-13 stacks of might anyway. . i do miss the condi removal tho

@zinwrath.. wow didnt realise how easy it was to reach the max 25 stacks of vul.. gotta work it into my builds as i really didnt put too much thought into it.. thanks

The whole point about real pvp, ie spvp and tpvp, is that everyone is balanced stat wise, so it comes down to who’s the better player.

I could not agree more. It is an absolute joke. I’m stuck in the 30s and haven’t had any new armor or weapons for like a month or so cos I got the wolf ranked armor when I hit 30. If I spent the same amount of time in pve I’d prob have a legendary by now and any kitten armor I feel like wearing..

looking forward to watching the showdown!

Randomfightfan VS Eduardo

yeah duelist chesk, legs, gloves an boots i think.. plus order of whispers helm

@eduardo – you do need to at least fight lupi to actually have an argument. theres no point being a keyboard warrior when you havent actually done or experienced the same content. from my point of view, he slowly clicked withdraw as he was timing it perfectly with one of lupis attacks, to evade it.

telling everyone how awesome you are, and how video’s are for kids is very childish and completely off topic.

i personally like the change to stealth as nothing was worse then having a champ reset due to drop of agro

sigil of para makes daze last 3 seconds in wvw and pve.. (unless they changed it in the feb patch)…borderline OP

Some dude on the guru website rekons he knows a way to make ft 2 blast 3 times.. Even with 2 it’s doing crazy dmg… Will be fixed for sure I think. Have fun while u can

I’m in a very large guild which has done the bounty.. Great. Only prob is I’m in Australia and most of them are in the us, so I can’t actually do the missions cos of time zone difference… There’s simply not enough ppl in my time zone to be able to do it… So do I find another guild or just settle on the fact I’ll never do these missions?