Guild Wars 2

Forzani.2584:

Well that is good news, and what I was hoping for when I read the patch notes. The bad news ? Thiefs wont be happy. I anticipate a “bug fix” next patch to correct this.

Their forum is full of whining.

Idolicious.6091:

capuchinseven.8395:

If you’re running the game with auto attack enabled you’re doing it wrong.

So “doing it right” then, is to disable auto-attack in an attempt to make buggy skills not as buggy, vs. reporting issues and getting devs to actually fixing them properly?*

I’m pretty sure YOU’RE doing it wrong. Thanks for trolling, though, but try harder next time.

*Realizes with A.Nets track record of late, it may take another 6 months for a fix, if ever. But it is still the proper way to do things. Band-aids are band-aids, and disabling auto-attack is a band-aid, not a fix. Issues don’t get solved that way.

I’m sorry that you can’t take disagreement without assuming it’s trolling, I think it’s probably best if we don’t talk about this anymore because you clearly seem to get annoyed over it. Enjoy your autoattack.

Ryan.8367:

“Rangers are deadly one on one. I don’t think any class could beat my bunker/condition specs one on one. Dunno where your attitude came from.”

Condi specs are easily countered by top tier players, lol

omg nah way?! I guess that’s why I SAID BUNKER/CONDITION SPECS, plural.

Give it up, if you can’t fight 1v1 top tier with a ranger against any class and do very well then the problem is with you not with ranger.

This constant whine on issues like this totally take validity away from the actual issues. The class has issues, big ones that are troubling, 1v1 at a high level is not one of them.

Beardmonger.4692:

I wonder if this will assist with the rampant culling with thieves and stealth. Will my pet be able to attack him even if I can’t target nor see him?

So far, it seems to help a lot, yes.

Arpheus.6918:

/e Oh btw from the last four thieves that fought me today I killed two, one escaped and the other one was too tanky so we decided to stop fighting each other^^

Ha I had that happen a few weeks back, we both just sort of stopped in the middle of the fight, it was like an unspoken “kitten it!” between the both of us.

Melandru with condition duration lowing food is pretty awesome. Conditions just drop off you.

Off hand training, pre patch, did buff the damage of axe #4 even though it didn’t say so in the tooltip. I tested it myself just before the patch went live (notes went out before the patch). I tested it because I, like most of us, had no idea it buffed the damage as well and wanted to see what they were talking about.

Frosty and Frosty Law Firm.4981:

nerva.7940:

thats funny, to me the ranger is the best duelist in the game while i find him utterly useless in larger wvw engagements.

Give me videos and explain your video in-depth or you’re lying.

Rangers are deadly one on one. I don’t think any class could beat my bunker/condition specs one on one. Dunno where your attitude came from.

WvW and end game Mists is where we have issues.

It’s not the patches that annoy me, they could very well be patching and polishing some classes first, even those that don’t need much love (WoW did something like this way way way back, one class at a time). It’s the total and utter lack of communication that is getting on my nerves.

Even if it was just a “we feel ranger is fine right now”, at least I’d know where I stand.

Phew, was worried then, I love slotting an axe and using #5 in keep defence.

nerva.7940:

it never reflected, only blocked.

It didn’t Nerva, the tooltip stated that it blocked projectiles but it 100% did reflect them. It’s been talked about here many times by many posters but the wiki also states that it reflects. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Whirling_Defense

I used to use it constantly in keep/tower defence, it was a great skill and only dropped it for the dagger evade and cripple.

Are you saying that it now only blocks the attacks?

nerva.7940:

i tested warpath…it’s kinda neat hitting someone for 4k at 1100. but #5 is so freaking bad that it totally kills the weapon. youre not even deflecting, youre blocking. and sitting still for 5 seconds is a recipe for getting owned.

no spirit buff makes me freaking sad and hopeless for the prof.

Are you sure? Axe 5 used to reflect, in fact I used to love letting rifle warriors killshot themselves. It also would be useful in melee range with a pet swap as it would apply the vulnerability very quickly.

But it defiantly used to reflect, I loved off hand axe because of that. Still do from time to time.

I agree dagger is awesome, which makes it silly when posts like this claim it’s useless (among other silly points). All it does is detract from actual valid issues that we are having, like the points you raised.

ANet is starting to confuse me and its getting tiring. No idea where they are going with balance.

If you’re running the game with auto attack enabled you’re doing it wrong.

I’m finding comments like, dagger is one if our worse weapons, to be a little dumb and really it’s comments like that which don’t help with the issues that we do have.

Pet swap cooldown doesn’t trigger when OOC.

Yup double checked, there is a short 1 sec cooldown but the 15+ sec OOC cooldown is gone.

Which is pretty cool.

I’m sure it used to, right? For some reason I’m doubting it did even though I thought I knew it did because I’m pretty tired.

The patch notes went out before the patch itself and I tested it on a LA dummy. Without the “Off-Hand Training” trait it hit twice on the same target for around 500, with the trait it hit once for around 700.

Now, without the trait it hits the dummy once for around 700.

So yeah.. still pretty pointless.

This SHOULD work with pets so they should keep on attacking when the thief breaks stealth. Only problem is most of the time I don’t want my pet attacking because I don’t want thieves getting a few C/D on my pet, gaining stealth and then hitting me with the burst or bleeds.

ANet is not good at communicating. I would agree.

Yes exactly, if you make them miss C/D or totally deny them it they have to use cooldowns from other abilities to gain stealth.

The only problem I find with condition duration is when they clear the conditions, which stopped me running both the food and runes, and will sometimes run the food but condition damage runes instead, I like undead a lot.

I THINK the runes are better than the tooltip states though, and it’s closer to 60% with the runes and food. Which is pretty nasty, got hit pretty bad by a necro running something like that.

Kakeru.2873:

capuchinseven.8395:

Zenith.7301:

Serraphin Storm.2369:

If they weren’t stealthing off your pet they would stealth off you. Atleast this way your not taking the inital damage.

I dont see you shutting down a thief ablity to go into stealth no matter what you class are.

You can dodge CnD, your pet can’t. I’ve done it many times, and it kills me that even though I had the skill to pay attention to the animation and dodge it, the thief can just turn around and go cnd off a pet that won’t dodge.

Yeah this, it’s actually a pretty good tactic to use against thieves because it forces them to blow cooldowns to enter stealth. But as pointed out if you send in your pet any decent thief will use your pet to stealth and then hit you with the burst/opening conditions.

As pointed out though, BM specs loose a lot of DPS because of this.

Blow cooldowns ? you realise theifs have NO cooldowns on 1 to 5 skills right? It isn’t even a waste of innitative as during the stealth duration 50 to 100% of inniative used is restored depending on the build of the thief.

I don’t think you understand.

Cat’s advantage is more health and I find they are able to apply vulnerability more, I don’t honestly find them hitting more though personally, birds flap around a lot but they seem to hit when they do.

P/D are about the only thieves to give me trouble anymore but I find them killable but I’m not running BM right now.

That said I DO find it so annoying that they can use bunnies and other white mobs to enter stealth. Stealth has been handled very badly by ANet.

Love doing that when a warrior uses Bull Rush.

OGDeadHead.8326:

capuchinseven.8395:

As pointed out though, BM specs loose a lot of DPS because of this.

Actually, all ranger specs loose a lot of dps if you’re forced to try and keep your pet passive, and you’re at a major disadvantage vs the thief for doing so, and at a major disadvantage if you try to use your pet on him as well – kitten if you, kitten if you don’t.

We’re balanced with the pet, you shouldn’t be able to take out a cloak and dagger thief at all if you don’t use your pet, if both players are of equal skill.

There are three major issues here:

- Cloak and dagger being able to gain stealth from pets
- Pets being so unresponsive to attack when the thief leaves stealth
- The time it takes for you to retarget the thief, while the thief on the other hand keeps you targeted all the time

Can we beat them? Of course, but the mechanics of the thief class annoys me like no other thing I’ve ever come across in any mmo before.

Doesn’t bother me when not in BM spec, I use conditions and crits to apply them, while I keep moving and evading keeping back at all times until they close on me and I can then apply my pets burst when I have them in a nice little circle dancing around trying to hit me. When they close on me and I let them in, that’s when I hit them with my pets burst. As fast as they can drop conditions I can re-apply them.

In BM spec it’s much harder for me to land conditions and I hit like a noodle without the pet in constant combat.

Is the pet important for all rangers? Yes I agree and I’m not making light of the issue, but in my skirmish build I only apply the pet at the right moment, it’s not as much of an issue for me to hold back the pet, in fact that’s pretty much my basic 101 tactic to beating thieves.

Zenith.7301:

Serraphin Storm.2369:

If they weren’t stealthing off your pet they would stealth off you. Atleast this way your not taking the inital damage.

I dont see you shutting down a thief ablity to go into stealth no matter what you class are.

You can dodge CnD, your pet can’t. I’ve done it many times, and it kills me that even though I had the skill to pay attention to the animation and dodge it, the thief can just turn around and go cnd off a pet that won’t dodge.

Yeah this, it’s actually a pretty good tactic to use against thieves because it forces them to blow cooldowns to enter stealth. But as pointed out if you send in your pet any decent thief will use your pet to stealth and then hit you with the burst/opening conditions.

As pointed out though, BM specs loose a lot of DPS because of this.

kidbs.8920:

What runes are you using? I’ve been playing a “bunker” condition build myself and I’m using Superior runes of Dwayna for the increased regen duration and 5 seconds of regen on using a heal skill.

I find for romaing Runes of the Grove work much better, the protection is great for rangers and fights tend to be spread out when you’re roaming so the snare (which is basically a Entangle like attack on a long cooldown) procs in every fight with a 50% chance to trigger on hit, when they break out of it, hit them with your real entangle.

Great vids Nerva. Was great to see someone using a sword like me and really interesting to see you using it with a greatsword as I almost always run with a shortbow, something for me to watch over and over. A brilliant example of someone not panicking when their health drops, keeping their blocks and evades going while they wait for the heal cooldown.

Mrowqa, I’m currently running a condition ranger with a 55% chance to crit with 30% crit damage. My damage is still from conditions but I can still keep 1400 power and it allows much higher chances to apply my bleeds, while I still get constant 400+ crits. The build still allows around 1900 toughness.

Edit – loved the comment about not deselecting target before leaping.

nerva.7940:

I run my tanky pvp trap setup with healing spring and spirit of nature. As long as there arent other condition specs in the group, my ranger gets lots of love. Quickness rez ftw.

Same, but to be fair I run with a group that isn’t condition heavy. I love throwing traps and using search and rescue in dungeons. Something just feels right about being the guy in a dungeon that remembered to bring a torch, ha!

vespers.1759:

turn around while stunned. why didn’t i think of that?! oh wait…

Gosh, no idea why you have such a constant bad attitude to people.

Lightening Reflexes is fine, better than fine in fact, I can’t run without it anymore it just has too many uses and the vigor gain is just awesome. I’ve never had it fail on me other than when tagged with a chill or alike which is how it’s meant to work.

I love saving it until I’m all out of other options and evades and using it, so much of a gap created that by the time they close again my sword cooldowns will be off and if they use a quick gap closer I have a big ball of vigor putting my endurance back up.

I’ve used it a number of times like this, great video. It’s one reason myself and a few others wouldn’t give up the sword for anything. Once you’ve got it down with lots of practice it’s so easy to cover ground with it, it can be pretty funny watching others try and keep up with you.

I kept a thief, engineer and mezmer’ raging in /map that I must be hacking and/or OP when using the first one you show in your video. Kinda comical, there was 3 of them it wouldn’t have been hard for one of them to stop chasing me and just block my jumping.

Indoles.1467:

I would pick up a second bow and place bloodlust on it, get 25 stacks, and then swap to your main weapon with either fire or air (air does 10% more damage but single target). Being able to deal 1k+ damage every 5ish seconds is pretty powerful.

Interesting, never considered that before.

Lorelei.3918:

o0 well idk, I’ve always been a fan of raw stats. heres pic proof. (okok I rounded up on the HP)

Oh no, I didn’t mean it in a bad way, I was just thinking with your high toughness you’d get a lot from it with a little more crit chance. I use both the sigil of blood and omnomberry pie and the amount of healing I get with a 50% crit is pretty impressive.

Very useful given I took a large hit to my healing when I added crit chance to my condition/toughness build.

Lert.6287:

I’m sure Jos will be thankful for your helpful ego show up. It will improve his build so much, he will be able to take stone mist within 1min all alone.

If you feel that “go up against a real level 80 thief and you’ll be finished in seconds” by another poster is useful advice for the OP and doesn’t require disagreement then you’re very welcome to you’re opinion, I’m sorry that you feel a claim that I’m no longer buying these “godly thieves” are out there and I’m never ever meeting them on T1 or 2 and in PVP (which is the common defense made for the argument) is ego but again you’re welcome to your opinion.

I don’t see it that way, there are a number of rangers here more than able to kill thieves and there is nothing special about me simply because I can kill thieves.

As I said, I don’t buy that argument. The only thieves that give me trouble are those built the same way as my ranger, condition damage with high toughness and I can kill them with a little patience, keeping my pet back, forcing them to use cooldowns to enter stealth rather than using C/D on my pet and then dropping 8 bleeds on me.

Lert.6287:

How old are you, 10?

I’m sorry, I’m confused, I assume you’re talking to me but then I didn’t start a useless argument about someones use of the English language as their first language, someone else did.

Durzlla.6295:

I’d say keep signet of the hunt then and -not- pick up another trap.

Yeah I agree, unless you’re very heavy into condition damage I think two wouldn’t really be a gain over a another utility.

Frost trap is great though if you have time to fire into them and keep the chill running, same with fire as well. Over all though I’d go with spike most of the time.

Aegis.9724:

Unspecified.9142:

Edit: Also, rangers haven’t been nerfed since beta so the “yeap again” from the title is rather misleading. Admittedly the beta nerfs were hard and the ranger never really recovered from them.

My shortbow disagrees

They would argue that was a bug fix, but yes it was basically a nerf. It could still be argued it was a bug though.

vespers.1759:

please good look up the difference between their, they’re and there (although the sentence still won’t make any sense).

…lol.

Dude, okay okay I’ll bite.

Think and you’re dead is an English saying, it means… they think and you die, they are that powerful.

They think, you’re dead.

They think, you are dead.

They want you dead, so they think it of it happening, and you die.

They are so powerful that they think, “die”, and you die.

Think, and you’re dead, thieves.

See how much easier, and less disruptive to someone else’s thread that would have been if you’d saved your wasted insults for a PM where no one else would have to waste time reading it?

vespers.1759:

oh no i didn’t capitalize! that must change the whole meaning of my post!

breh, your post didn’t even make sense. you literally didn’t write in the english language. it’s not my fault you can’t form a coherent sentence.

…just going to keep on derailing and trolling in this thread instead of a PM where no one else has to waste time reading it, huh?

Why you think “that’s not English” would bother me given this is the internet and English being someones first language is not a requirement to posting on the boards, I have no idea.

I’m sorry that you don’t understand the basic context and point of “think and you’re dead thieves”, that’s not really something I’m going to lose sleep over, it’s right there in my first post. Knock yourself out and read it again and maybe keep the thread on topic?

You don’t want to believe I can kill thieves? a) I’m FAR from the only person on the board that knows what they are doing with a ranger and how to kill thieves and b) lol at a ranger not able to kill thieves to the point they need a video to prove it to them.

Sigil of Blood.

Really? Toughness food and not Omnomberry Pies? That would put your crit up to 40% and give you a 300 point heal constantly on crits, I love it so much I even run a sigil of blood with it to up the chances of it and even double it because one is food and the other a sigil.

vespers.1759:

capuchinseven.8395:

vespers.1759:

capuchinseven.8395:

vespers.1759:

go up against a real 80 thief and you’ll be finished in seconds. then you’ll be invis stomped. the amount of DPS they do is ridiculous and that’s not even mentioning the stealth.

Still waiting to find one of these godly thieves that can kill me just by blinking or thinking on a T2, T1 server or in tPVP or sPVP where we play whatever our server.

Are they a powerful, easy to play class? Sure. Can they kill me? Nope. Honestly, I’m just not buying it anymore.

I find it fun evading with sword and close to pema vigor if they close on me with a cooldown, leaping well back out of their range with LR, HS and watching them try and close the gap, blowing all their cooldowns to get back into stealth because my pet stays back and they can’t use C/D.

would you like a trophy for your claims without anything to back said claims up?

No no, please do continue to tell us all about the amazing think and you’re dead thieves, I can’t wait to meet them.

i wish i could understand this post but i’m not fluent in gibberish.

Says the guy with 3 punctuation mistakes in the space of one sentence.

Worthless trolling and thread derailing on the other hand, that you’re fluent in.

PLEASE if you have anything else to say, send it in a PM so I can ignore it there and no one else has to listen to us argue about how you can’t kill decent thieves.

Ha I kept getting stuck in combat with SoH so I just gave up changing it in the end as well, now the problem is I’m too used to it and when I try and slot something else I feel like I’m stuck in mud.

nerva.7940:

no i like what youre doing. imo crit > toughness > condition damage > healing, cuz id be using two traps. some condition damage is needed. likely i’ll just do apoth/knight’s

Yes that’s pretty much how I see it as well.

Although traps and me have a love and hate relationship, I love using them but I really don’t like losing the utility that I can have in their place.

vespers.1759:

capuchinseven.8395:

vespers.1759:

go up against a real 80 thief and you’ll be finished in seconds. then you’ll be invis stomped. the amount of DPS they do is ridiculous and that’s not even mentioning the stealth.

Still waiting to find one of these godly thieves that can kill me just by blinking or thinking on a T2, T1 server or in tPVP or sPVP where we play whatever our server.

Are they a powerful, easy to play class? Sure. Can they kill me? Nope. Honestly, I’m just not buying it anymore.

I find it fun evading with sword and close to pema vigor if they close on me with a cooldown, leaping well back out of their range with LR, HS and watching them try and close the gap, blowing all their cooldowns to get back into stealth because my pet stays back and they can’t use C/D.

would you like a trophy for your claims without anything to back said claims up?

No no, please do continue to tell us all about the amazing think and you’re dead thieves, I can’t wait to meet them.

vespers.1759:

go up against a real 80 thief and you’ll be finished in seconds. then you’ll be invis stomped. the amount of DPS they do is ridiculous and that’s not even mentioning the stealth.

Still waiting to find one of these godly thieves that can kill me just by blinking or thinking on a T2, T1 server or in tPVP or sPVP where we play whatever our server.

Are they a powerful, easy to play class? Sure. Can they kill me? Nope. Honestly, I’m just not buying it anymore.

I find it fun evading with sword and close to pema vigor if they close on me with a cooldown, leaping well back out of their range with LR, HS and watching them try and close the gap, blowing all their cooldowns to get back into stealth because my pet stays back and they can’t use C/D.

nerva.7940:

while i love the tank and dueling capabilities of full conditions, i’ll be switching over to a hybrid SB build. i cant down people fast enough in a zerg with just conditions. too much cleansing, too much safety in a zerg. anyway, it’s nice to have both options.

That’s pretty much been my aim, I was very high condition damage at one point but I’ve slowly moved myself towards a much higher crit chance and lower healing (TU and dodges/vigor made healing less important once I got to grips with ranger) and will start to consider more power as well.

Are you dropping conditions for power totally? I’d considered it but found I was getting constant 450-500 crits over and over with the build I have right now and was happy with that for now.

Lorelei.3918:

CETheLucid.3964:

What can a Ranger do with GS and S/D?

Dodge all of the things forever!

This. Really.

and if you wuvwuv you are officially the straggler hunter par excellence. Your mobility is ele class, and all you have to do is sneeze and the enemy is crippled. Try

0/20/30/0/20

use w/e traits. I went for lots of vigor so I can dodge all of the things for infinite. Got 20k hp, 36% crit, 3000 power and 3100 armor. You can eat 2 Hundred blades to the face. But thats only if you forgot to DOOODGE!

Ha yes, this. Plus LR tends to help with 100B if you get caught out.

Nice stats you have there as well, 3000 with that much armour is very nice, I sit with high condition and higher crit chance but I run with a shortbow mostly, over the GS.