Guild Wars 2

Chopps.5047:

jkctmc.8754:

@Chopps, and Jazenn

I have the following fully geared 80s; Ranger, Warrior, Thief, Mesmer, and finally a Guardian. I have never lost to another Ranger in a 1v1, ever, on any of my toons, including my Ranger.

If you honestly think people, including myself who feel the class has a lot of issues are just bad players, put your money where your mouth is. Switch servers, and duel me, IN WVW, on all my toons.

I’ll let you fraps it, and post the results. The ball is in your court now. Send me a PM so we can get this started.

You spend the money to transfer. Then I won’t fight you. I’ll just laugh at you. Then my guild will proceed to crush you. Then I’ll laugh again.

*Peter, I hear what you’re saying. Honestly, though, I don’t understand the profession favoritism around here. All I’ve ever tried to argue was that the gap between rangers and any other profession (if it exists at all) is small enough such that a player’s skill can cross it. All of the professions are comparable. Comparable is the key word. After that, it’s up to the player’s coordination and understanding of the game.

Totally agree, I find these constant “intimidation” PM’s and 1v1 challenges from the likes of jkctmc etc to be comical. And even if they DID beat me in 1v1 it’s some of the worst anecdotal evidence I’ve ever seen in my life.

The last and only thief to come close to beating me in 1v1 ended up having a long /tell conversation with me where we both chatted for a good 30 mins about our builds and how much we enjoyed the fight, on another day at another time I have no doubt that guy could have beaten me and in WvW if he caught me I bet I’d go down maybe even fast. None of that has anything to do with the ranger class being broken (and I freely admit it needs some fixes, but so do many classes) and was a far more insightful conversation that some of the junk I see here from many of the hater posters.

When they do post something worth a proper reply, like “I’d immobilise you”, any reply to that is somehow brushed over with more anecdotal evidence and any reply back is ignored, for example it doesn’t matter if you have me immobilised, many of our “oh crap” utilities will still evade while we are stuck on the spot and my build is designed to shrug off immobilise, with my current build a venom immobilise lasts for only around a second (never timed it, so short now it doesn’t bother me) on me without any interaction on my part and that ignores my ability to remove it if I want to and my many abilities to avoid damage while I’m stuck on the spot.

It’s not like they don’t make some fair points though, killing our pets is a very good tactic to use against us, in the same way CC is a very good tactic to use against a thief but I don’t get their point, you kill our pet and some pet builds will be in trouble, but so what? If you CC a thief he’s in trouble as well, it doesn’t make anyone underpowered, it shows you had a viable tactic for killing a ranger.

(ignore any bad english, typed on tablet)

I like some of your ideas, but just one point if you spec for traps then you can do just what you already ask for.

jkctmc.8754:

<face meets palm>

I know, I did the same when I read what you’d come up with!

Block will block projectiles continually without popping the push back.

jkctmc.8754:

capuchinseven.8395:

jkctmc.8754:

capuchinseven.8395:

jkctmc.8754:

You insulted me first, or did you forget? You can’t play the passive aggressive card when you’re made out to be wrong.

That didn’t happen. I think you’re arguing with so many people you’ve forgotten who is who. I did tell you I didn’t believe you expect us to take that video as any sort of proof for anything, that’s not an insult.

If I did insult you, I apologize and feel free to point out where, but I didn’t insult you so this point is redundant and this thread is derailed.

I’m out.

Yes, you did insult me.

capuchinseven.8395:

Don’t like thieves? Don’t play class cannon.

What’s that? It wasn’t friendly, and it was a very poor assumption. Thanks for the apology.

You’re kidding me? THAT is a personal insult? Okay you’re reaching now, you know you messed up and had to scrabble to find something you could call insulting, I’m out, this is silly.

So making an assumption that I was complaining about Thieves, without taking the time to put that post in context, with the original post, and then making the assumption that I’m a noob, and would run a glass canon build isn’t an insult?

Wow. So much for the apology, you can’t even admit when you are wrong.

I actually had to come back to this because I couldn’t stop randomly giggling about how far you had to stretch to find a so called, insult.

deepwinter.9015:

Vitality is arguably one of the least favorable stats. Before the ragers jump on this post, let me explain a few things:

Vitality raises your healthpool but a common misunderstanding is that a larger HP is a counter to burst damage. Any GW2 PvP worth their digital weight in salt will tell you that Toughness is the counter to burst damage (around 1600-1800).

Your HP is static and once its gone its gone. Healing power acts as a sort of “soft healthpool.” Guardians use Healing Power to great effect to counter their profession’s lowest health in the game – and I believe that’s intentional by the developers. Rangers are on average with HP size but we lack the number healing abilities like Guardians or Warriors have.

I would recommend staying away from both Healing Power and Vitality. If you must, put on enough Vitality via gems and runes to get you to around 16,000 or 17,000. Stacking upwards of 20,000 means you’re suffering in your damage output.

With regards to Toughness, as BroScientist mentioned above, 2000 is overkill. I’ve run with that much before and it can be fun but I noticed a significant deficit in my damage output. I keep mine around 1500-1600 while holding a ranged weapon and 1700-1800 while holding melee weapons.

As a Roamer and small team skirmisher on a Tier 2 server, I stand by my statement that Toughness is King in WvW. The zerglings can run with their glass cannon builds while I’m off solo capping supply camps against two thieves.

Interesting, I run a cleric amulet and I’ve been thinking of dropping it (and my power and healing) for higher condition damage and precision with a rabid amulet. My worry was in losing healing though, can you tell me more about why you think we should stay away from healing power?

In the change from a cleric amulet to a rabid, I drop my healing power from 1223 down to 425 but I gain a much higher crit and very high condition damage.

Simi.3254:

Yasha.5963:

Someone in the spvp forum said getting a bird to attack for 9K against a squishy in spvp was “very doable”.

[…]

Does anyone know the build and cds/combo necessary to get that kind of damage?

To clarify this: (I just tested all of this on the light golem)

Assuming you put 30 points in Beastmastery and have the “pets prowess” trait from the skirmishing tree and the 3 Stacks of might from “mighty swap” up the damage is as follows: (this is without sick’em or signet of the wild)

The bird autoattack hits twice and can crit for 1500 each possibly resulting in a 3k crit.

The F2 from hawks and eagles (6s cooldown and bleed) and from owls (20s cooldown and chill) hits twice and can crit for 2500 each possibly resulting in a 5k crit.

The F2 from ravens (20s cooldown and blind) also hits twice and after several tries I had it critting for 3900 each resulting in an overall crit of almost 8k.

So to answer your question: Add in some more might stacks and maybe some vulnerability on the target and yes it is “very doable” but only with the raven F2 due to its insane damage.
If Eurantien is correct and a scholar without toughness has even lower armor then the light golem then you don’t even need those.
With say 15 stacks of might from “Rampage as one” and “Signet of the Wild” active it could probably even hit for 10 or 12k damage

I’d say that pretty much meets what I saw last night as well, still think I’ll stick to the hawk and eagle for the faster F2.

Honestly, I think the single sword is often a better defensive weapon as well, but that’s just me. I think the only thing it has that I’d like on the single sword (or rather the off hand axe or dagger) is the block and knock down.

Lunchbox.9543:

I know it’s not the most efficient manner to do what you want, but it is there. The mousewheel might work for some, but I like having it as my zoom in / out control, considering the difficulty with camera angles being obstructed by foreground objects.

I think that’s the point really, I mean if it was the ONLY issue with pets I’d tell the OP to stop moaning (although it’s a useful suggestion) but it’s just one more annoyance with pets that we could do without. (and that’s the thing, I think a lot of the pet problems are lots of little annoyances that just end up a big annoying ball of pet rage).

Pathing, not hitting, bad UI, not casting right away and taking an age to do it as your target runs to the other side of the map, and so on.

God yes, it can be really useful given each situation to swap between the two and having to hover a mouse and click is a pain.

jkctmc.8754:

capuchinseven.8395:

jkctmc.8754:

You insulted me first, or did you forget? You can’t play the passive aggressive card when you’re made out to be wrong.

That didn’t happen. I think you’re arguing with so many people you’ve forgotten who is who. I did tell you I didn’t believe you expect us to take that video as any sort of proof for anything, that’s not an insult.

If I did insult you, I apologize and feel free to point out where, but I didn’t insult you so this point is redundant and this thread is derailed.

I’m out.

Yes, you did insult me.

capuchinseven.8395:

Don’t like thieves? Don’t play class cannon.

What’s that? It wasn’t friendly, and it was a very poor assumption. Thanks for the apology.

You’re kidding me? THAT is a personal insult? Okay you’re reaching now, you know you messed up and had to scrabble to find something you could call insulting, I’m out, this is silly.

jkctmc.8754:

You insulted me first, or did you forget? You can’t play the passive aggressive card when you’re made out to be wrong.

That didn’t happen. I think you’re arguing with so many people you’ve forgotten who is who. I did tell you I didn’t believe you expect us to take that video as any sort of proof for anything, that’s not an insult.

If I did insult you, I apologize and feel free to point out where, but I didn’t insult you so this point is redundant and this thread is derailed.

I’m out.

jkctmc.8754:

Your last sentence is an epic failure. You don’t immobilize before attacking, you do so while attacking.

Love that you think that matters to the point. As I’ve said elsewhere any thief I see first won’t kill me, if they get to me before I see them then the fight is likely going to go to them if they are any good.

jkctmc.8754:

And you act as if WvW is a vacuum, and that everything happens perfectly.

lol, right because that point only counts for rangers right? YOU act like WvW is a vacuum.

jkctmc.8754:

I love sword Rangers

I love that you think you know my build or style because I said swords.

jkctmc.8754:

Or are you going to lie and say you can kill without your pet?

…that’s like me saying, “the best way to kill a thief is to CC them, or are you going to lie and say you can kill me while you’re CC’d to death by a mace warrior?”

What’s your point? That you can think of a way to kill a ranger? Is this your first MMO or something?

I think you need to take a step back, and bare in mind you’re not talking to someone who has personally insulted you here.

jkctmc.8754:

@trollcapuchinseven

How does someone with such a make believe education make such a mistake as to believe I was complaining about Thieves, when me and the other person was discussing something else??

Stopped here, my MSc in computer science and exo-geology have what to do with the ranger class? And I’m the troll, ha!

Just so we’re clear, your video is flawed, making your point about thief damage and ranger damage flawed.

I think it’s best if you and I no longer talk in this thread, it’s pointless to the thread where you think personal insults will get under my skin. Your PM’s are at best comically bad at intimidating so you clearly can’t talk there either.

I agree, it should be.

jkctmc.8754:

Zenith.7301:

Are you seriously linking a wvw video of a thief pwning upleveled people who don’t care to even stunbreak or dodge the moment the first spike hits?

The mesmer in the first few seconds only did 1/5 of the thief’s health — a proper glass cannon mesmer easily cuts a d/d thief’s health in half with a 6-7k whirl, and a shatter alone will bring a thief down to 10-20% health. The mesmer didn’t even try to Blurred Frenzy the steal combo.

You should probably watch all of his videos, and pause them on the initial damage because it is obviously too fast for you to see what is really going on. You do know if I apply an immobilize to you, while you are stunned that Lightning Reflexes will bug out, and do nothing, therefore you’re left with only one other stun breaker, as a Ranger. Not many builds use that stunbreaker.

No Thief should ever lose to a Ranger.

Good luck with that teeny tiny immobilize vs my Runes of Melandru and Lemongrass soup and Signet of Renewal.

Hell, even if all those points above don’t effect the immobilize condition GS block and/or serpent strike (which still evades when immobile) depending on which I have active at the time.

Or did you only fight rangers that didn’t know serpent strike can still be used to evade while they are immobile because a normal evade doesn’t work?

I LOVE thieves that immobilize before attacking, they play right into my build.

Agadar.4931:

LOL wow look at you puffing up your chest and putting on your deepest man voice.

Look at you being at your edgiest.[/quote]

lol wow, the internet comeback equivalent of “no you are!” to “you’re ugly”. Nice work man.

jkctmc.8754:

Go get an education.

You missed the point, which isn’t a shock. Also do you want me to actually explain why I don’t care that you can use venom to immobilize or would you prefer to struggle to insult my double MSc science education?

In fact, never mind man. Come back when you want to stay on topic. I replied to your big deal immobilize elsewhere.

jkctmc.8754:

or actually get good at one class in this game instead of spewing dumb stuff.

Like for some reason I’M the bad ranger?

Thanks for the PM by the way, you’re hardcore, I felt very intimidated, you’re very good at it. It was like you were in the room.

Peter.9406:

Yeah this thread has completely turned to useless talk.

Because anyone that attempts to defend the ranger as a class with issues but not broken is instantly labeled a liar, only playing bad rogues (like we don’t all play the same servers and players) or the last but still classic “omg I’m not bad, it’s you, it’s you, I’ll fight you 1v1, I bets I win, I bets it!”.

Like for some reason if someone beat me 1v1 with a ranger vs my ranger/thief/warrior then for some reason that would mean.. they are right and ranger is bad.. wait, what?

For what it’s worth, I thought the thread was a good one and liked your first post and considered it to be worth replying to.

Durzlla.6295:

Xsorus.2507:

Moddo.7105:

Just look at number of people he is fighting that do not have food buff on. Food buffs make a lot of difference. How can so many people run around with out them on.

The Condition Duration one is bloody good….same with duration reduction..

I honestly don’t see why people don’t run them.

lol my engi (whose a condi engi btw) runs the condi duration reduction food ontop of his runes of melandru, it’s freaking disgusting how little conditions phase me xD

Same, and as a tank spec I love the food that turns my toughness and health into power. Can’t remember it’s name right now.

Moddo.7105:

Shout base warrior + rune of soliders = one best condition removals around. Add in 100% condition removal on heal food and each shout does 2 for warrior 1 for everyone else.

He didn’t say that, he said “Warriors can put conditions on someone…”. Warrior condition builds are useless, in fact even when using condition weapons like longbow and sword a warrior is better taking power over condition damage.

I think if timed with some signet use and a vulnerable target (from frenzy or conditions) I could possiblely see a 9k hit with my bird. Not sure I could pull that often though.

I don’t care for zephyr anymore, I think lightening reflexes is much better, it’s stun remove is great for so many situations. I use pet swap to gain zephyr to cast my heal.

What you said about Mezma’s it true though, I find my pet picks out the right target and sticks to it as long as they don’t stealth.

I don’t think the LB is bad (combine it with tourch and the flaming arrows from a keep can be pretty effective), but then I don’t think it’s great either. Some love it though. Personally I’d rather see barrage replaced with a sniper shot like attack that is charged and hits very hard, but then that would remove our main and pretty much only AOE.

jkctmc.8754:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3mrVp1_c9g

I literally don’t believe you expect us to take a video where people don’t stun break seriously. He can hit me for 13k if he wants, I have 17k health minimum in WvW as well as lightening reflexes and a sword or great sword escape leap with a pet swap frenzy boosted cast of TU coupled with my ability to react fast.

The only way that guy is beating me is if everything is on cooldown, or he uses culling which isn’t a ranger fail or a thief skill win, it’s an Anet fail.

Don’t like thieves? Don’t play class cannon.

Eurantien.4632:

I would say clusterbomb the crap out of them but when they use TU just wait 10 seconds or poison their heal. I believe you can also set off the traps by rolling over them. That way you can evade them and set them off. Not verified though.

Fyi guys. I run bezerker ranger in paids. Good thieves aren’t a problem.

That assumes I don’t see and clear the poison, which I always look for, if it doesn’t auto clear. As well as me also not knowing when my TU is down which I do, which is why I save my off endurance evades, leaps and blocks until TU has stopped ticking. Nothing funnier than Lightening Reflexs then Swoop/Hornet Strike away from a thief with “about face” and then seeing TU is almost back up again. I have no fears about bugging out of a fight in order to give TU time if I know the thief is hitting hard. If they shadow step to me (too far away most of the time), that’s what block and knock back are for and well out of their SB range, including a BM pet swap frenzy cast for my TU.

Of course, a good player will force you to adapt and change that, forcing to to break stun when TU isnt running yet because I didn’t see them first, or maybe the terrain is tight but I find as a general rule saving things for when TU is down works well for me because as a bunker spec, when TU is up I’m not going down easy.

As you say good thieves are not a problem.

Agadar.4931:

capuchinseven.8395:

Agadar.4931:

Durzlla.6295:

Only the ranger forums are so stupid they think their prof is broken, despite the sPvP forum saying good rangers are completely unbeatable in 1v1 when they’re using a trapper build…

Keep trying to make everyone else believe it’s the profs fault bad rangers, but it’s not working.

Only idiots who don’t know how to play can’t defeat a trap ranger, or any ranger for that matter.

Right, we only fight idiots and you fight pros, even though we all play the same sPVP teams the same tPVP teams and a wide range of players on WvW servers (T1 and 2 in my case), makes perfect sense. thumbs up

The sooner you admit you’re just bad with the ranger and move on, the better for you.

And yet I’d still beat you 1v1.

LOL wow look at you puffing up your chest and putting on your deepest man voice.

Agadar.4931:

Durzlla.6295:

Only the ranger forums are so stupid they think their prof is broken, despite the sPvP forum saying good rangers are completely unbeatable in 1v1 when they’re using a trapper build…

Keep trying to make everyone else believe it’s the profs fault bad rangers, but it’s not working.

Only idiots who don’t know how to play can’t defeat a trap ranger, or any ranger for that matter.

Right, we only fight idiots and you fight pros, even though we all play the same sPVP teams the same tPVP teams and a wide range of players on WvW servers (T1 and 2 in my case), makes perfect sense. thumbs up

The sooner you admit you’re just bad with the ranger and move on, the better for you.

Causic.3798:

Jay.3284:

Red Mages are the only class that can cast two vastly different kinds of magic – white and black, making them a “jack-of-all-trades”. The disadvantage is it cannot cast very powerful magic from either color, so being proficient in many arts, it is a master of none. They can also use swords, but they are not as good at using it as a fighter.

Rangers can do good damage, but not as good as Warriors.
Rangers can cure conditions/give regeneration, but not as good as Guardians.
Rangers can evade attacks very well, but not as good as a Thief.
Rangers can put boons on themselves, but not as good as Elementalist.
Rangers can put conditions on someone, but not as good as a Necromancer.
Rangers can have diversity, but not as good as an Engineer.

A ranger can spec in a way to do all of this well, even at once, but he will never be as good as the inherent classes above.

I have a serious question,
How is a Ranger more of a Jack of all Trades than a Warrior.

Warriors can do good damage (as can most professions if specced)
Warriors can cure conditions/heal shout, but not as good as Guardians.
Warriors can evade attacks (access to vigor) very well, but not as good as a Thief.
Warriors can put boons on themselves(via shouts), but not as good as Elementalist.
Warriors can put conditions on someone, but not as good as a Necromancer.
Warriors can have diversity, but not as good as an Engineer.

I thought this game was designed so that every class can do anything is specced for it.
How does a Jack of all Trades fit in with this? Warriors can do anything Rangers can in this regards, only thing Rangers have for themselves is micromanaging (having the ability to do 2 things at once via pets). I thought that would be what ANet focuses Rangers on.
So ANet will try to make them more “Jack-of-all-Trades”-ey than any other class instead of focusing on any one thing?

I literally can’t believe you just tried to bull is and try and suggest to us that Warriors are good with conditions. I can’t even be bothered to pick apart your other stuff, that one stands out so much.

Ignore, double post. Etc etc.

Forzani.2584:

Hey X, keep the videos coming. Couple of questions. Do you own a human toon ? If so have you ever used Prayer to Lyssa ? If so, how do you find it vs PI ? I have been using it the past couple of weeks. A buff…sometimes 2 every 12 seconds has been very nice. Aegis and Retaliation are two of the most common. Anywhere from 5-10 seconds. (also adds a condition on the enemy if in a fight)

I keep wondering about this, sometimes I think it sounds awesome and sometimes I wonder why I’m considering it, I’d be interested to know how you’ve got on with it.

Stoneslammer.3650:

nerva.7940:

Forzani.2584:

Not a true statement. Rangers are fine in WvW, and will contribute as much or little as the player controlling the Ranger dictates.

wrong. go through all of my points about other profs, and i want you to concisely counter how ranger is as good or better than what i listed. for example: ranger damage from 1200, burst, survivability, team support, CC…how is it as good or better than the other profs/sepcs i listed?

i also listed for you the only ranger strengths (ive been playing ranger since BWE1 and will continue to do so). these strengths are overridden by other profs who can do the same, except better.

im probably the biggest ranger fanboy here, which is why im advocating for the profession. but being a blind fanboy is probably the worst thing for the game, and this silly prof.

I find it sorta funny to read posts like. “The Ranger class is fine L2P” but no reasons are given as to why it is fine. Where those saying the opposite usually give many reasons why they believe this.

SO many reasons have been given. It’s normally hand waved with “oh well you must only be fighting bads”. Like for some reason we don’t all fight the same sPVP and tPVP players and a wide range of WvW servers.

Rangers have issues but we are still a solid class, almost every other class forum here is moaning about the same issue, “we are great at A but useless in B”.

Wrenn Haldane.3208:

I have played a lot of MMO’s, and my class of choice has always been the Ranger/Archer class. I have always enjoyed the challenge of being the proverbial “glass cannon”, dealing high damage and being cunning enough to survive.

With Guild Wars 2, I consider the Ranger to be three-faced.

In PvE, I am extremely happy with the Ranger. My pet acts as a tank for the most part, and I was easily able to get to level 80 faster than I was able to do so with any other class. I am not much for dungeons, so I really have not spent enough time there to formulate an educated opinion.

By far the weakest area for my Ranger is in PvP. A testament to this is trying to complete the PvP dailies. I can play 10 PvP matches, and often times I won’t get top stats in any of them. But if I switch to any other class, I get top stats almost every time. I think the problem is that there are too many line-of-sight problems in PvP for my personal style of play. I am used to being a glass cannon, so I have always been adept at using the terrain, while moving and sniping. Since my weapon of choice are the bows, I simply can not do this in PvP because there are just so many angles to deal with. In order for me to do damage, I have to be right on top of my enemies, and this is not conducive to success for me.

I have more luck in WvW, as it has more open spaces. I am able to move around while fighting. WvW is much more suited to my playstyle.

Anyone going glasscannon in GW2 is going to have a problem, it tends not to be a good idea unless you’re a thief who get away with it because of faceroll stealth and faceroll distance covering.

Daemon.4295:

capuchinseven.8395:

Daemon.4295:

Guys, aside from the silly lack of agony resistance in fractals, pets dying in dungeons is NOT THAT BIG A DEAL! If you’re having trouble micromanaging them with F1 and F3 just put them on defensive mode and use them for buffing, you’ll contribute to your group just fine. People continuously bringing this up detracts attention from the Ranger’s major issues, which are pets and arrows not connecting with their targets in PvP.

Personally I think both of those points are issues, one which will effect one type of person more than another depending on what they play more.

If you put your pet away though, you ARE bringing down your DPS, even if you’re not BM spec (which lets face it, is pointless using in high level fractals because your pet just isn’t used much).

Yes, but the difference is that while you can perfectly well do a dungeon with lower DPS (basically it’s more or less like taking a lvl 75 character into a 5 man dungeon instead of a lvl 80 character), you have serious problems facing other players in PvP. Statistically speaking, the final outcome of a dungeon run is not affected anywhere near as much as the final outcome of an sPvP match.

Yeah, for me PVP issues are more important but that doesn’t mean that I don’t understand issues for players that are more focused on PVE.

Daemon.4295:

Guys, aside from the silly lack of agony resistance in fractals, pets dying in dungeons is NOT THAT BIG A DEAL! If you’re having trouble micromanaging them with F1 and F3 just put them on defensive mode and use them for buffing, you’ll contribute to your group just fine. People continuously bringing this up detracts attention from the Ranger’s major issues, which are pets and arrows not connecting with their targets in PvP.

Personally I think both of those points are issues, one which will effect one type of person more than another depending on what they play more.

If you put your pet away though, you ARE bringing down your DPS, even if you’re not BM spec (which lets face it, is pointless using in high level fractals because your pet just isn’t used much).

Peter.9406:

Completely agree, and I think the people who are trying to defend the class are actually hindering it’s ability to progress because ANet will see them and think that the class is doing alright.

And I think that’s rubbish, I think people that whine and whine and whine as well as those making posts that some of our most powerful assets are totally broken while also spreading lies or misconceptions that “we can’t even 1v1 a support spec class” are the ones that take away attention where it’s REALLY needed.

Like our pet issues (in all aspects of the game) and our mundane traits and signets, to name just two of our many issues.

No one has said we don’t have issues, but it’s getting tiring to read posts from people that claim to know all there is to know about rangers and yet they haven’t worked out we have an “about face” button while they whine we’re broken because you have to turn the camera 180 degrees and it’s “hard”.

ski.4927:

Djornak and I roll survival type BM builds. We both meet a good deal of success. He is build for power with mostle Clerics and Soldiers gear while I am built for conditions with mostly Apothecary and Shaman gear. Both seem to be fun and viable. (Especially since we are just making pretty colors while the pets do the dirty work!)

Do you notice any major differences in your builds? I run mostly clerics and have been thinking about adding in some condition damage instead but.. I dunno I’m just not sure right now. I have run a trap build before in sPVP but I always come back to my clerics bunker.

Seras.5702:

Sword deal amazing damage & sticks you to your target like glue. Downside: rooted and can’t dodge. Well I have a solution for you…and it’s built right into the weapon. Use #2 & #3. Those are your dodges. And they dodge while dealing damage, deal conditions, don’t use up endurance, and one’s a leap finisher.

So we get a weapon which sticks us to our crippled target automatically and we get 2 damage dealing dodge skills built in….what’s not to love???

Apparently everything, I dunno what to say. We have, as you said a skill that sticks you to a target like glue and at least two evades that don’t cost endurance and apparently anyone that says it’s not only fine, but great is lying or “just not getting it” like for some reason we don’t all play the same PVE, the same players in sPVP and a wide range of servers in WvW.

I’d be very upset if sword 1 was changed and we lost some of what makes it great just because some people just can’t play ranger and are unwilling to accept the problem with sword 1, is with them.

SilverWF.4789:

Still wondering – why people creates pretty useless threads and where is moderators?

But yet another thread about how bad rangers are would be okay?

Shaidan.1503:

I assume you meant cripple duration not immobilize unless you are talking about the hidden split second of immobilize you get with Trapper’s Expertise that I believe is un-inentional. Cripple is a duration stacking condition though, and if working correctly should see the benefit from trap potency. I have not actually ran a trap build in quite a while to test, but I’m curious to confirm this so may do some playing around this weekend. Hope this helps for now.

I think it does yes, but I never use spike trap for the snare, I use it for the damage, if I wanted to slow them, I’d use ice.

kiwituatara.6053:

HTech.8016:

Actually. you can use the 2 skill to leap towards people right away too, just deselect the target and turn 180 degrees. Easily allows you to catch up to your target. Or, if it’s on cooldown, you can even use your dagger 5-skill to cripple at range. Sword/dagger is great for sticking to targets as long as they don’t have too much of a head start.

HAHAHHAHA LOL deselect. turn 180 degrees. skill 2. sorry this actually made me laugh. i dont think itll be faster than holding down W, especially if ure using signet of hunt.
i have a love/hate relationship with the sword right now. its great, but ive been thrown off cliffs by it before or unable to dodge properly. will give deselecting auto-attack a go. ty! (tho, itd still be nice if Anet can tweak the sword so it doesnt root)

Please learn to keybind the “about face” button others (not aimed at you directly) should stop assuming because they are bad and ineffective with ranger, then we all are. It never ceases to amaze me how people are so loud about how bad this class is, and yet barely understand the basics of using a ranger.

I love the ranger sword, I’d go far enough to say that it’s pretty much the mainstay of my build and if it was changed simply because there are a number of rangers who simply cannot get their heads around the fact that you can’t play ranger like you play a warrior or thief, I’d be annoyed.

As Chopps just said, if you cannot get your head around the sword don’t use it, in fact if you can’t use ranger just stop. Honestly you would be much happier playing a longbow warrior.

Many of you are starting to show yourselves up as not knowing how to play ranger with comments like “spinning camera 180 degrees”, you show you simply don’t know how to play this class and it’s no wonder you all have so much trouble with it.

Burl.9567:

You’re still going….

Defiantly a mom joke in there somewhere.

Burl.9567:

capuchinseven.8395:

Burl.9567:

You want to know why they keep /emoting all the time?

Not really. It’s amusing, not bothering or annoying.

Then let it go….

You’re right, two posts is clearly a never ending stream of spam.

Burl.9567:

You want to know why they keep /emoting all the time?

Not really. It’s amusing, not bothering or annoying.

As Jayne said, and as a EU player on a US server, we’ve noticed the same thing on TC. We’ve talked about it just here – https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Any-Tarnished-Coast-citizens-agree/first

Something does feel wrong. I don’t know if that’s just my perception though.

I sort of feel the same Jayne, I’ve gone looking before as well and I’m very meticulous about that sort of thing. I don’t like jumping to “it’s teh bug!” like conclusions but it’s often very strange when we know there is a queue and there is literally 20 of us to be found on the map.

Of course, as one person I can’t cover the entire map in a fast enough space of time to know for sure, every time I’ve checked I’ve found all the skill point or jumping areas totally empty.

Not in any way calling foul or claiming we’re losing because of this reason, I’m a scientist so I’d be the first to admit it could very easily be a perception issue!

kuora.5402:

Relax. This is an MMO and there are always kiddies think dancing on corpses they killed 1v30 is cool. Not an SoR thing, and I will bet you my left nut that I’ve experiened a LOT of TC doing that on my corpse.

I am relaxed, I even made a note of pointing out that it doesn’t bother me because I knew someone would post to tell me to relax.

I’m saying, simply because it’s been mentioned and passed off as “just a small group of players”, as a clam matter of fact statement with no malice or annoyance, in years of playing MMOs I’ve never known a community consistently spam /laugh and /dance emotes while zerging a smaller group of payers.

Every night, every game, almost every death I have to scroll my chat log continually just to see what someone said in /team because a SoR group is spamming emotes.

I mention it simply to mention it, not for any drama like reason, it tends to get a laugh from us on voice chat. It is an SoR thing and I’m sure others from every other server do it, but I’ve never known it done so much before to the extent that I see it from SoR.

SilverWF.4789:

1vs1 not against every player and this kind of fights means nothing in the main part of the game: WvWvW

“We’re not able to kill anyone 1v1 even support builds” is either a total lie or the player is bad and also has nothing to do with if the pet AI has changed after the patch.

Blatant whining, which is what that was, doesn’t help our cause, it hinders it.

Honestly, I have to say in many many years of playing MMOs and playing PVP MMOs I’ve never known a faction/side emote spam as much as SOR does, the idea that it’s a few isolated incidents is pretty funny because it’s just not, it doesn’t bother me but it leaves you wondering what the they think they are getting out of it.

I’ve been running a GS over a sword lately as well, but not to spice things up because I can’t seem to pick which I prefer. I like the block and escape of the GS (useful for thieves, nothing funnier than knocking them on their butts) but I love the on tap evasion of the sword (with the missile reflect of an off hand axe), sword has an evade as well but it’s a little more fiddley to use than the GS, which is very good at covering ground.

atheria.2837:

capuchinseven.8395:

atheria.2837:

…can’t take down anyone 1v1 in spvp and even in a support role…

Pet issues aside, of which there are many, I’m not sure what class you’re playing because I’m awesome in 1v1 sPVP.

You can say anything you want to in a forum but not many are going to believe you when they know that they are having the same issues as the rest of us.

So you are great? You’re great after the nerf (and it WAS a nerf)?

If so, let’s see some video of your spvp hotjoins and then show is the spec… otherwise, really, you’re just one who just wants to be above everyone else and say “hey they don’t know how to play/spec/monitor the character” wrong, very very wrong.

What the hell are you talking about? We’re a very strong class 1v1. Seriously, we’re very strong 1v1 as many other rangers here would tell you, if you’re not able to stand up to most classes 1v1 with a ranger you’re running a bad build, both our trap and bunker builds are very effective 1v1.

…sorry, I’m giggling a little inside that you tried to somehow “shame” me because you’re bad. 1v1 is one of the few areas rangers don’t have trouble.

Your baddness aside, after playing sPVP all night last night as well as some WvW there is definitely something not right with my pet.