Guild Wars 2

hex.3218:

What’s with these huge zergs running away from smaller groups lately and giving up objectives? I keep seeing huge zergs that run at the first sign of combat. I don’t get it.

One you wipe zerg or even a large guild group a number of times, they get tentative. Once they get tentative, they break easily. It really shouldn’t apply to games where there is no real risk, but for some reason, it always does.

Fuzzion.2504:

55 pts? oh well

Edit:Added pic

If only our NA crew didn’t need to sleep, work, eat, or use the bathroom so we could play 24 hours a day.

btowl.7869:

VotF-thanks for the great fights Sunday, we enjoyed ourselves immensely. I recorded a small sample of what amounted to an hours-long battle, from Bay to Noob Island, linked below. Some of the best times I’ve had in WvW, let’s do it again soon!

Part one from my guildmate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RloWfJaGVKU&list=HL1361269944&feature=mh_lolz

Part two from me (songs NSFW): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw4uL_yiwd0

A couple of comments:

1. Any video that uses Tool for the music automagically makes it exponentially better to watch.

2. VotF runs a pretty tight and effective blob ball, not sure how it is fun to play that way, but they make it work better than most.

Peetee.9406:

It’s not a holiday issue with SoR, our fairweathers are crumbling in this matchup. We’re outmanned on all 4 maps every morning now.

Yeah unfortunately this does appear to be the case. This may push us back to T2 soon or later. Fortunately our prime time crew is solid, so we can do some damage then.

wondo.2870:

Pretty sure the forum taunting from select members of SoR guilds made JQ want to prove a point this weekend. Two weeks ago it was “JQ doesn’t show up on weekends” last week it was “JQ gets rolled in NA primetime look we have your garrison”. And then there is this weekend where JQ shut up the forum warriors of the last two weeks.

Actually, it is still “JQ gets rolled NA prime time” judging by the silly amount of farming that was done. I just wish some of your larger guilds would stay in the map and fight instead of looking for an easier challenge in another borderland. EMP leaving the zone after a wipe or two is starting to get old.

Reiko.1560:

Holiday or not, if a 40k+ lead by monday doesn’t deflate your mood to go into WvWvW then maybe that endless green zerg will.

Why would that deflate anyone’s mood to W3 ? That just means that there are more people to kill.

Brome.7036:

#1. VoTF by far is NA #1 guild in open field. No one else comes close.

#2. EMP, TW, Choo, SF, HB

#3. Foo, Tsym (maybe, bit sloppy) WM, FoE, PrX (maybe, Attrition)

#4. Fire, agg, merc

VotF #1 open field when I have seen them repeatedly wiped by a couple of the guilds you ranked below them? Interesting.

From who I have fought and actually remember from the names listed here and not listing guilds from my server (SoR). I don’t care about how well they siege, fight open field, take objectives, or small man. I am just referring to the impact they have on me when I fight them and because of this some of the ranking is due to the numbers they field.

VOTF > HB > SF > TSYM > EMP

VOTF gets the nod here because their numbers combined with how nasty they are in closed quarters makes them tough to crack. Open field where you can crack the blob and actually move out of the way, not so tough.

HB is better all around than VOTF, but not as tough to crack in closed quarters. It was close between them and VOTF. Maybe its because the pugs/randoms with them don’t seem as organized. Strategically across all facets of the game, they are much better at playing chess though.

SF is third behind these two. Not so much because they are not as good, it just seems to me that they don’t always fire on all cylinders. It is hit or miss with them. When they are on their game (or have the right people on line) they are a fun fight.

TSYM/PRX – Great at rolling randoms and lesser numbers with the sheer amount of people they have and/or randoms they gather around themselves. Unfortunately, they haven’t been able to adapt to organized opposition and as a result can’t handle even half their numbers when fighting against some of better guilds. Hopefully this will change over time, as I would like to think that this is maybe due to recent growth.

With that said, I want to fight RG and Zd to see how we stack up against you. You will never get better at something unless you challenge yourself, and you are supposed to be some of the best.

cheers.

LittleMusing.8257:

Considering the outmanned buff on JQBL just yesterday afternoon my time, which would be about night to late night for NA, I guess people are taking breaks in between, rather than the fabled 24 hour coverage.

There any score update? Don’t wanna go back in-game just after a BSOD.

No, it has nothing to do with that. Certain guilds that were in the zone left after getting farmed repeatedly. Believe me when I say that we were quite aware when they left and why.

I have seen all aspects of play in MMOs, from soloing, duoing, 8 man gank groups, farming zergs in both daoc/war, and in this game as well and have been highly successful. Each and every facet of game play has its own intricacies in each and every single game. Even though this game requires less in the way of skill due to simplistic game play, doesn’t mean that just because you are good in one area that the skill will translate to another area directly. Anyone that says otherwise is quite clueless when it comes to understanding what it takes to play at a high level.

Oozo.7856:

Generally speaking, someone who is good at 1v1, 5v5, and 10v10 should have no problem being good at 30v30. That is not true the other way around. I guarantee you that there are people in 30man teams that mouseclick abilities and/or don’t get the most out of their abilities. They can hide in the larger numbers but they would be quickly exposed in a 5v5.

Nah that is fallacy. They wouldn’t be good in 30v30 if they did that, they would be bad. In fact they would be bad at anything they did.

Got any vids of EMP fighting SoR guilds?

Skill level required and complexity of play in gw2 is extremely low. Unfortunately, the average entitled gamer wants to be able to 1,2,1,2,1,2 and pwn face in a game instead of learning how to play well in order to succeed.

Did you mean to really include PRX on your list?

Acelerion.6820:

Weve wrecked some high end thief duos as thief/ele. The class combo is just better.

The weren’t good if they let you wreck them. I agree that dd/ele is a more overall effective combo though, but not if your purpose is strictly ganking people.

Why kill each other for tokens? lol. They are worthless currency for most people by now outside of buying siege

D/D bunker ele + thief is great, but why sacrifice dps on one person for being tanky? Might as well just go two thieves because you will kill faster and have just as much/more survival in all situations, and you wont be stuck with someone that can’t stealth on their own.

Kirito.8796:

covenn.7165:

That nullifies the statement I quoted as being incorrect.

^ that doesnt even make sense, but anyway. What guild are you in?

Exactly, It doesn’t make sense. Thus it was an appropriate response to what I quoted.

kfarb.6732:

Post ur irl k/d plz

Confirmed only? Or do you want unconfirmed included?

I’ve never lost to less or even equal numbers and seldom lose to greatly superior numbers. That nullifies the statement I quoted as being incorrect.

Of course, you can prove me wrong Vids or it didn’t happen.

Mohmohchan.4120:

pointless question. this ain’t Call of duty.

This …exactly this. Pointless and meaningless.

Well at least they got caught on fraps. Of course, actually reporting someone for doing so is a hassle.

So that is what the big deal is about? I should have known I would be disappointed. Not surprising I guess, all things considered.

Disclaimer: This is a compliment. They do happen. Take it at face value. Thanks.

I just want to say that I have really enjoyed fight TSYM over and over and over…. and over. You were a thorn in our side the entire night last night and have been doing a great job in slowing us down when we try to advance on JQ. Either by directly interfering or snatching away our PPT while we are engaged on the other side of the map. You have not been letting us get much down time and it is stuff like this that keeps me interested in the game.

Thanks and please keep bringing it.

Bedstain.6735:

covenn.7165:

I also have a suspicion that not all kills you participate in get counted towards your total. Last night we literally farmed the entire SoS zerg in the borderland at the supply camp closest to their spawn, must have killed a couple hundred at least in the long fight. My kill total went up by 30 only…. I got 3x that many bags. So yeah.

You are a godkitten lie. Nobody farmed anyone from SoS on any anything last night. Maybe in your dreams you did.

What time were you playing? What zone were you in? Oh wait, were you playing in all 4 W3 zones at the same time? Yeah… Please don’t call people names for silly reasons. Every server gets farmed all the time, every day, and at some point. It is nothing special and nothing worth raging on the forums about and calling people pointless names.

Er, wait I get it now. Were you in that camp?

muylaetrix.2096:

(warning, this post is not completely serious)

Where is DH/VGN/CF/… or any other group from Hibernia/Excallibur ?

it would make ‘a’ point to have one Albionian (HB) one midgardian (RG) and one Hibernian guild from the Excallibur server in DAoC amongst the top 5 ‘nominated’ guilds of all GW2 servers.

Maybe as a zerg guild or whatever in DAOC, but not as an 8 man guild. I honestly didn’t pay attention to anything else then as it was all about the 8 man and not who could put the biggest mindless zerg out on the field to get farmed by gank groups. Never heard of them in WAR either.

I am not knocking these guilds at all though so don’t take it the wrong way. I want to fight RG and have spent a ton of time fighting HB. Fighting guild like them is what makes this game fun for me.

Aneu.1748:

One thing I can say for certain is that we have -never- read -never- been wiped on NA with less numbers -ever- so I’m unsure where this 3-1 ratio comes into things.

It’s ok to defend your guild, but lets keep it based on solid ground. I have seen you get wiped by less number numerous times. Maybe not 3 to 1 like someone claimed, but I have see it happen and have participated in it.

In other words, I am not so sure -never- is appropriate to use.

Zenyatoo.4059:

covenn.7165:

Come on. Saturday during the day, most people have other things to do than sit inside and waste away on the computer. Of course coverage issues are coverage issues, but just less so on the weekend.

Anyways, JQ and SoS putting us in our place so far this week. I am enjoying it.

JQ has traditionally always been worse on the weekend.
We have a lot of people who show up to WvW on the weekend who dont hop in the TS or follow the commanders.

I played on JQ and you are no different than us.

Thobek.1730:

I watched VOTF destroy everyone they went up against, it didn’t matter if they were outnumbered either.

Interesting. I have a completely different perspective on that. Like opposite.

everyone is also the wrong word to use. Most is fair, but everyone is just wrong.

Oozo.7856:

The guilds that are most powerful in this game are the ones that can win by clumping up together and spamming autoattack.

Clumping together, confusion, hammer, retal, whatever trains are easy to break.

Come on. Saturday during the day, most people have other things to do than sit inside and waste away on the computer. Of course coverage issues are coverage issues, but just less so on the weekend.

Anyways, JQ and SoS putting us in our place so far this week. I am enjoying it.

coronbale.3894:

Oresh.4729:

can we have a score update please its awfully quite here

btw sos is showing their true Color here ( http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/80573-t1-sea-of-sanctum-quarry/ )
bad kittie

True colors no, but nice was the last few weeks. This week you have my full, undivided attention. Heard every form of BS drama, gossip, and staged propaganda in the last two weeks about Sea of Sorrows, enough is enough.

BTW, those of you who are trying to buy the loyalties of SoS guilds, make sure you get a receipt A few are eyeing that twilight with your Xerxes traitor money! Hell, kick some to me to! “Of course” ill transfer, promise! Those Omegas? No no, they were here before…

All this back ally bribery, shady spying, and compromised security going around has me fed up listening to all the drama and noise. nearly 2000 kills today, and still not done with you!

Oh that is where you went. I got bored because you disappeared after we killed you a few times at your camp and open field, and logged. I thought you jumped BLs to avoid us, but your post makes far more sense.

I think most of us were content to let you keep hills initially unmolested until you started interrupting us fighting JQ and making us withdraw to defend bay/towers. Kind of forced us to take it at that point. I heard someone took hills from us after most of us had logged for the night, was that you re-taking it?

Good fights!

I also have a suspicion that not all kills you participate in get counted towards your total. Last night we literally farmed the entire SoS zerg in the borderland at the supply camp closest to their spawn, must have killed a couple hundred at least in the long fight. My kill total went up by 30 only…. I got 3x that many bags. So yeah.

114.7123084232804233 Kills per hour

.59065255731922399 Deaths per hours

84.1719298245614 Kills per Death

Now if we could on tell what was actually from W3 and not PvE. Unfortunately PvE deaths count towards your total.

Edit: None of this means anything anyways. If you PvE a lot compared to someone that doesn’t, your numbers will vastly different. Same regarding AFKing, idling, chatting, dying to mobs a ton, etc. Pointless to attribute anything to it.

Also does anyone know if going to downed state counts towards ‘death’ total or do you have to actually be finished?

Shinji.2063:

covenn.7165:

Glad SoS got smart and finally decided to play for second tonight, instead of just going after JQ. Can’t say I blame you.

You act like there is any other position to play for, unless you forgot about the million transfers that stacked on jq.

I am not acting like anything.

It was a compliment.

waha.4921:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgxhNBgEToI

fight with sor

Waha

That was unbearable to watch for numerous reasons. I couldn’t do it, sorry.

fivekiller.1432:

covenn.7165:

tons of fights with EMP tonight. I enjoy them and I am glad you never give up, that is the mark of true warriors.

same to you!

i know every time my server or group fights TW, when we come out ahead you guys are going to run right back and give it your all!

When that happens the first time, I guarantee you that we will be proud to follow your example and tenacious attitude. You have really set a gold standard that should be followed by all.

tons of fights with EMP tonight. I enjoy them and I am glad you never give up, that is the mark of true warriors.

NinjaPotato.9240:

Score Update 11:51pm EST

Look at me charge up that bridge. Makes you almost feel sorry for them knowing the world of pain that followed shortly after.

Hecksa.7140:

Unless you’re from SoR?

Yes, SoR. I missed the fun.

Jet.4795:

In my opinon best guild on JQ would be Strike Force.

Currently on JQ, I would agree. I enjoy fighting them when they stay on the map with us.

Ohai.8346:

Would have been FoE and VotF, the only 2 guilds who consistantly beat the other big dogs while running only a max of 20-25.

Overall, VotF are currently the top guild in tier 1 since RG left

No, just no.

Both parts I quoted are inaccurate. I am not trying to be disrespectful to those guilds, really, but you are way off base with your claims.

Hecksa.7140:

Red Guard aren’t on JQ anymore. We were over there for one week, then went back to Piken Square just before the free transfers ended.

That’s too bad. Given the praise your guild is getting, I would have loved to fight you to see where we stand. Come back to NA T1 pls

Wait, getting Karma is something to brag about? I am confused. Can someone clarify please?

LordTemujin.5498:

JQ : Foo,PRX,RedGuard?

Wait, Redguard is on JQ? My mistake! How have I not seen them in the past two weeks?

Please come play with us. I want to see what the fuss is all about first hand.

(only really fought SF, PRX, AOS, etc. on JQ so far)

Miiaah.5416:

The dominating guild on Blackgate is HB, BG has went up against so many different servers since Christmas that whoever HB votes as the best I would have to take their word for it

Toughest fight on BG for sure in my opinion. Fought a lot of people climbing from #17 to #2 on SoR, so I can’t put them as the top opponent I have faced. They are a very fun fight though and I cant wait for them to get back to T1.

Xaaz.8472:

You seem defensive. The thread asked for the most powerful guild. That would be Red Guard in any even fight.

This is opinion and not proven. There are numerous guild that they have not fought yet, and may never fight.

OldRodKS.9758:

covenn.7165:

I have two legitimate crashes since release of this game. One on my nearly 5 year old system and one my new build. Sounds like you have some issues with your computer to be honest. This is actually one of the more stable games I have played in regards to crashes.

I don’t think the problem is his game crashing so much as the WvW zone itself crashing.

On TC we’ve had numerous times when then entire Borderland crashed. One day earlier this week, 2 borderlands were down at once, resulting in gigantic queues for the other 2.

This has gotten worse the past couple of weeks.

Oh ok, that makes sense. Funny though, I don’t think I have ever had the displeasure of experiencing a BL crash.

Smokee.1754:

You already got 3 majour brazilian guilds that only have a 2 hour timezone gap between EU and them, and pretty much covers that timezone. Atleast to a point where you were able to hold a ppt lead against BG during this period last time.

However I´d welcome any EU guilds any NA server except BG. Hell I wouldnt even mind if JQ got one or two more

Our brothers from Brazil are awesome, I agree. There is also more than a 2 hour difference in many cases. You aren’t considering that brazil and europe both cover multiple time zones and that adds hours to your total.

Also, if you look at our PPT charts, you can see clearly where we still lack people to compete with JQ. Regardless, I will be happy with anyone coming into any non NA time slot on either SoR or BG to give challenge to JQ’s coverage (well once you get back to T1, which hopefully will be soon).

I don’t think either of our servers needs NA guilds though as we can both already match, surpass JQ during that period most of the time.

No queue when I logged in at 8pm eastern