Guild Wars 2

Titan.3472:

Well whenever people fail in some situation they are not going to analyse how they can do to improve their gameplay build and organisation they will just ask for some nerf. Retaliation could be less efficient BUT it remains the fact you need to learn to play better mitigate damages and adapt your build on the current meta or you are only dead meat. And I don’t play guardian at all nor CC warrior…

I play my ele extremely well with a weapon set that is generally seen as free points to most. I know how to position myself, use my range, my cc, and my defensives to stay alive. 80% of the damage I take in WvW fights isn’t due to people hitting me. It is due to me hitting people and retaliation wrecking me.

In order for me to play my class effectively and utilize my abilities, I have to hit multiple targets. Not only that, I have to hit them in a situation where I can be sure they won’t move out of the circles before my damage pulses, otherwise I have a wasted ability and cooldown. My single target dps with this weapon is horrible (which i cant change in combat due to class design) and all my abilities pretty much are AoE. In order to play my class the way it was designed I am forced to hit multiple targets in optimal situation.

With that said, I my hard counter to retaliation is mist form as the only other viable counter is not playing my class/weapon effectively. It works just fine as a counter, though it sucks to waste my best defensive ability on something passive like retaliation killing me. Unfortunately my cool down is long on it, and retaliation can simply be spam reapplied.

style.6173:

Retal is not a big deal. I can’t remember the last time I died from it. The people who die are the AOE spammers.

Let me see, every single one of my abilities save for one does AoE damage. The one that doesn’t hit multiple targets, hits for like 400 damage because it has a very minor heal attached to it.

I can run full soldiers and still have a single AoE ability kill me with retaliation. In fact i both slot and save mist form strictly for retaliation so I can actually be useful in breaking up blobs.

timidobserver.7925:

Retal has already been nerfed enough. Stop running berserker if you are dying from it.

Full soldiers gear gives me 20-24k health depending on stacks/food.

1 meteor shower on a blob stack, an AoE I cant reasonable stop once its started, can take me from 24k health so low to the point I am forced to mist form to keep from dying from it.

Not use an ability I have that does reasonable damage in the exact situation it was designed for? I suppose I could drop staff, but it is pretty much the only thing a Ele has left to play the game for open world outside of a single gimmicky scepter build.

I ran away from a 1v1 the other day and got killed with my back to them. I got caught switch weapons and had one dagger equipped.

/shrug. Also, if I am running support and not a solo build, I wont even bother fighting someone geared and traited for 1v1. It puts me at a huge disadvantage before the first tick of damage hits anyone. Get over yourselves and try fighting people out soloing instead of people trying to get back to their groups.

Funny, I switch to my solo build and thieves stealth elventybillion times on me and somehow think that is acceptable. When that happens, I just leave the fight.

No. No…. and No.

Should be able to buy them with badges…. enough badges so the time investment is close to the same.

gwfanboy.2496:

It saddens me to see what TW has been reduced to. It saddens me even more that they celebrate zerging and the lack of skill.

GvG -zerging with voice- ftw!

Someone is mad. lol

TW regularly runs as a guild only and regularly takes on 2-3x their numbers. You know not of what you speak. Yes Indo tags up around reset… so?

Morphman.6312:

covenn.7165:

The first account to get 250k had more than one person playing it.

Ummm what… How would you know that then?

Common knowledge.

matty.4907:

250k kills, but how many deaths. It’s all about that K2D SON, SON!!!!!!!!!!

I wish we had a real way of telling k2d. Unfortunately pve, disconnects in combat, and gravity deaths all add to the total

Konrad Curze.5130:

meh, its a pure time based achievement

if it was 2.5k solo kills it would maybe mean something. as it is, it just means he spends a lot more time being another body in zergs than others…gratz? nah

He leads, not follows. Some nights it is the BL and some nights it is 20 TW farming zergs of 40+ all night. More BL leading around reset and guild leading the rest of the time.

Green is not your color my friend.

King Amadaeus.8619:

Hoots.9564:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Chris.3290:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Wake me up when someone on T6-8 gets 250k (without transferring).

In all seriousness, grats on the achievement.

Got to give some cred, wasn’t SoR in a low tier when TW joined them?

Even given the massive average kill counts that TW and the rest of SoR rack up, the amount of game time must be absurd.

Not in the last 9 months:
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/32
Unless you count T2 as low.

http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/4

That’s when we roughly joined SoR. Was around Oct.10ish of last year, millenium does not have history of the match up.

Point taken sir. But mine still stands, which is that the higher the tier, the more of the enemy. Thus the more of the tags, and kill count.

Still a great achievement, just notably easier to do with more opportunities.

More opportunities come from fighting as an underdog. Going from 17th to 1st absolutely provided that.

Cerialkilla.3571:

Sacrx got it on ebg on JQ …. I think I mean I thought that’s why we got the fireworks out and ran around with them.. Maybe not though

Which person was on the account then?

Phoebe Poison.4875:

Pics or it didn’t happen.

Then we can congratulate on the 2nd place.

He is the first to do it as the only person playing the account. The first account to get 250k had more than one person playing it.

24 exotics, black lion, 0 globs

Omaris Mortuus Est.2738:

With EB’s JP being a separate map, IMO all GvGs should take place there in order to not take up WvW places, there is no excuse to be on an active WvW BL map anymore.

I am good with that as long as Anet makes the EB jumping puzzle accessible without going into EB first. It can be nearly impossible at times in our T1 match-up to get everyone into EB due to queues during NA hours.

SpehssMehreen.5897:

covenn.7165:

SpehssMehreen.5897:

and so you apologise for the server? please speak for yourself, according to what the people say, , they were attacking Bay while they were donig gvging, a tier 2 bay, forces came in, and afterwards what happens? both groups attack garrison while Ddosing and get wiped, and are both later kicked off the map by FEAR, theres only one loser here, well, several

You realize that what you are saying makes no sense right?

They cannot both attack bay and do a GvG at the same time.

*Upsidedown Tactical Facepalm

Maybe you need to clarify what you were saying. Because my response was valid to the way I interpreted your statement.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

While it might be the case that the two trade-offs are too strong relative to the first benefit, the second benefit seems unbalanced on its face: where else in the game to you maintain a benefit without the thing granting the benefit being in use? Why should one type of sigil work after returning the weapon to your inventory, but none of the others do?

What if you class mechanic doesn’t have weapon swapping period like the other classes? Elementalists for example, have no choice but to return weapons to inventory if they want to ‘swap’.

Just to clarify ..when I run staff in WvW, full stacks, and all buffs; I maintain roughly 20k health and the mid 2650ish with power (not attack power… power) before might stacks. My power does drop to 2450ish between fights, but given how long that food buff proc lasts (30s), it resets on each kill, and the sheer length of fights in WvW… it is nearly always up. So basically 95% of a fight I would actually be using a staff in, my power is there (if small manning, havoc, or solo… i would be using this gear, weapon, food :p).

In context… that simply isn’t obtainable with celestial.

One of my issues with Celestial gear are the ele’s running it in WvW that think it is ‘good’. Perhaps it is making me a little jaded against it across the board.

I would not run celestial gear S/D. You need to be able to burst people down and the damage output from celestial is vastly inferior to mixed gear sets.

I would absolute never run celestial gear with staff. If you are good at using your range and positioning, you can sacrifice a lot of toughness for damage. I suggest keeping vitality high though. The vast majority of damage I personally take is from retaliation and conditions. (nothing worse than having to mist form because a meteor shower you cant stop will kill you if you don’t… heh). Anyways, the damage difference in this case between celestial gear and the gear set I run is astronomical. It isn’t even in the ballpark.

The only situation you can make a valid case for running celestial is D/D. You are still wasting stat points in condition damage though that can most likely be put to use better elsewhere. Honestly, I run D/D instead of staff in GvGs and typically gear/trait out to be able to mitigate the most damage to my melee train and myself. Celestial just doesn’t fit the bill for that purpose compared to what I can do with other gear combinations.

Zagan.5287:

all the people whining about crashing gvgs are kittens. theres no such game mode available for you. wvw is open for anyone.

Are you really on my server? Fortunately we have guilds on SoR with the mindset of playing for fun fights instead of playing for whatever it is you play for.

To the GvG community on BG/JQ …I can absolutely promise you that most of us do not feel this way. Unfortunately, until they allow us to start killing people on our own servers, there is not much we can do about it.

SpehssMehreen.5897:

and so you apologise for the server? please speak for yourself, according to what the people say, , they were attacking Bay while they were donig gvging, a tier 2 bay, forces came in, and afterwards what happens? both groups attack garrison while Ddosing and get wiped, and are both later kicked off the map by FEAR, theres only one loser here, well, several

You realize that what you are saying makes no sense right?

They cannot both attack bay and do a GvG at the same time.

Wahii.5310:

Thank you to SOR and FEAR (using troll guild tag) for interrupting the DA vs ONS GvG several times. We took the time to set up a match on a map that was completely overrun anyway and you felt the need to troll our fight not once, but several times.

We had to call the match early because we were unable to finish a fight uninterrupted.

GvG’s take time to schedule and coordinate. We had members rearrange their schedules to participate. If you don’t GvG thats cool, but please respect the time of people that do.

Please don’t blame SoR as a whole for this. There are many of us that want nothing more than to foster the GvG community and help it grow.

Sorry this happened to you and I know exactly how it feels from people doing it to us too.

Depends ThiBash cause your survivability would be lower… against anything other than scripted AI, that makes a huge difference.

Celestial sucks unless you want to be absolutely mediocre at any and every role. If that small gain in perceived versatility is more important to you than effectiveness, then by all means run celestial gear.

Keep in mind you wont hit as hard as someone focusing on damage, you wont survive as long (or be able to sustain dps as long) as someone who is focusing on being tanky, and you won’t provide group support as well as someone focusing on that either (though lol about that, just group a guardian).

Kelo.4370:

Want to Buy Sanctum of Rall players that don’t go to amazing lengths to run away from me in WvW, I am not that scary am I? This happens enough I may make my next video just me chasing people around the kitten map for hours on end, I don’t let cowards just run away without a fight!

Are you one of those cowards that hide behind stealth?

If this gets modified… the the stacks have to drop on weapon switch too. Some classes don’t have alternate weapons to switch to and would be hit twice as hard by this change than the rest. In addition, two handed weapon users would also be hit hard because they only get the benefit of one to begin with.

Why this is even being considered period only shows how out of touch Anet is with their own game and the limitations of classes/weapon sets.

I hate posting a link to another forum, but in this case it is absolutely relevant because a change like this would be way more severe for us because of how our class works.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Would-be-great-if-Arenanet/first#post2728399

Your thoughts on this? Heh

This simply just needs to be left as is.

What about classes that don’t have alternate weapon slots. For example: Elementalists.

They get double screwed when using staff?

DevonCarver.5370:

We are aware of this, but it is a non-trivial fix. We are hoping to make changes to this by the end of the year.

….so two handed weapon users get screwed again?

Celestial is garbage for Eles to begin with.

Yeah we won’t be transferring We have way too much invested in SoR to do so.

TW looking for people to fight as always.

Having little luck due to being stuck in our same basic match-up for weeks on end.

DevonCarver.5370:

Bailey.6892:

Sadly my money is that they will be a large advantage. This is based on how anet has handled things in the past (poorly). Being forced to pve to enjoy wvw is a bad idea.

My goal is to eliminate the latter scenario. And I promise to do as much as I can to meet that.

It would take very little effort to add an ascended back piece that can be gotten with badges. It would take very little effort to fix the trinket that still cannot be bought with badges.

I am not sure I believe you Devon. I call Shenanigans …..break out the brooms.

The #1 biggest issue for ele’s as a whole is being chained to arcana to reduce attune cool down.

The #1 biggest issue for staff ele’s specifically behind that is being chained to 20 arcana for blasting staff.

If we could change those two things by say reducing attune cool down by 40% base (then 1% per point) and increasing staff radii default to match blasting staff (replace blasting staff with another staff specific skill that isnt so critical)…. then we might get somewhere with real build diversity.

Yes, EA would still be powerful and still be a good reason to go 30 arcana…. but putting points into arcana won’t be required the way it is now for every staff build and almost every other build save for fresh air-scepter-spike build.

The #1 biggest issue for ele’s as a whole is being chained to arcana to reduce attune cool down.

The #1 biggest issue for staff ele’s specifically behind that is being chained to 20 arcana for blasting staff.

Until those two things are resolved, anything else Anet throws at the class will be kind of pointless imo.

It often surprises me that so few ele’s know how powerful GoEP can be. It is very useful for zerg busting in WvW and very useful in GvG’s.

Regarding this change ….it would be quite a nerf, so no.

It wasn’t quite accurate though.

Rawnoodles.1398:

Great fights in SM today.

The 2 hour hold against SoR & JQ sure was crazy!

ESOL TEAM

Was wondering what happened to you. Wish you would have stayed on SoR BL.

Svarty.8019:

When GvGing, yes. They should get no rewards for GvG. To me it is tantamount to the organised trading of lootbags.

Not really. I get 10x the amount of loot bags in WvW farming random people than I get during the same amount of time in a GvG, even if we win every match. No offense, but you really aren’t accurate or even remotely close to being so.

Celestial gear is pretty bad for an ele.

Rigel.3092:

Shifty.4985:

..and theoretically we never got wiped because atleast 5 were able to get away hehe

Theoretically, really? For frakin’s sakes, if the vast majority of you get destroyed, you got wiped – I do not care if 1-5 “get away.” Nothing but parsing words. But yeah, remember that garbage the next time you or any other SoR entity claims to have ‘wiped’ someone over and over…..

There is a valid counterpoint I would like to make….

Guilds have also been ‘wiped’ according to the forums because 2 people out of 30 had the tag. Heh

Achilles.2197:

If SoR imploded (which I doubt will happen), they would all bandwagon to TC anyway. So they would show up.

I would bandwagon back to JQ since it was my original home. I left when JQ got #1 though because the queue times were just not viable.

Crimson Riddles.3892:

Mirsa.1628:

Starscream.7803:

Cod on Cod.3694:

Guess you were writing allready, as I edited my post Star. See above.

Speak later. My bread is calling.

Cod wrapped in breadcrumbs!

Looks like no GvG with our buddy Cod

Why don’t you just 1v1 him to show your l337 skillz

Eh, the problem with 1v1 is that some classes absolutely stand no chance against others if the opponents are equally skilled.

Robot Chocken.7012:

I had HzH run opposite side of the map as TW when they were here. A couple of occasion we were together. That was back when we were nowhere near as good at open field. I try to be friendly to any guild on my server in WvW. Also TW is a great guild and I am always trying to learn from other great guilds.

You guys are always fun to fight and thanks for welcoming us and working with us when we transferred over.

On a side note, many people forget that most of TW came from JQ in the first place. Personally, I didn’t leave JQ because I hated the community. I left JQ, because at the time, it was impossible to play with your guild and friends due to insanely long queue times. It was a decision that was made to afford me the opportunity to actually play with them. (not speaking for TW or Indo, just me here)

Auroma.9126:

I don’t know what world do you live in, but most of the things you are saying are untrue.

Wrong. Everything I said was 100% true, you even go on to support what I was saying… lol.

Auroma.9126:

Don’t mistake our community’s friendliness and our militia’s willingness to support new commanders as a form of “Indo Worship”.

Your words not mine…. I never mentioned anything about Indo worship and didn’t even imply it. Thanks for supporting my statement a sentence after saying it wasn’t true though

Auroma.9126:

If Indo did pin up and led a BL while he was on JQ then he must have got support of people on that map. Not because he is the center of our universe, just because Jade Quarry community is helpful like that.

Those are your words and not mine. I did not imply that at all You called me a liar and are now contradicting yourself a second time. Interesting.

Auroma.9126:

Jade Quarry has won many fights and will continue to win without Indo and TW. Our server is filled with many great commanders who know how to be successful and entertaining. We have been through good and hard times and have become a stronger and closer community where everyone is an equal.

I agree. Please point out where and when I said otherwise. Not sure why so defensive?

Auroma.9126:

I have nothing against you or your guild, but I find it a bit distasteful when make up stuff about JQ community.

Exactly what did I make up about the JQ community? LOL. The only thing I can see here is that you are reading a lot into this that simply wasn’t there.

Nuked.2360:

There is still a large core of players on JQ who were there at launch playing with TW so they were among the vocal minority of people praising TW coming to JQ and begging them to stay.

I must say that is was one heck of a vocal minority. I am not Indo and I had over 50 whispers and in game mail asking us to stay and/or telling me we were always welcome back by the end of the week. I realize I know a lot of people on JQ from other games, but I am just another #1 spammer in TW.

I can’t even imagine what Indo’s inbox looked like if mine was like that.

Nuked.2360:

We actually lost out on a few transfer guilds because of TW’s reputation.

Suuuure you did. What guild were they? I am curious.

Auroma.9126:

I will agree with Jet on this. I know a lot of WvWvWers on Jade Quarry and none of them wanted TW to stay.

None of us wanted TW to come to JQ at the first place when you asked, and it was clearly told to Indo by Sassarella.

For a server that didn’t want TW to go there, you sure were quick to form up on Indo, follow him around, take his orders, and let him lead you to winning fights.

Folk.2093:

DAOC is outdated junk, get over it.

The game itself is out dated but the concept and design behind the game play has yet to be matched by any game coming after. This is why so many people continue to reference it and will continue to do so until a game company manages to produces something on par.

Cotton candy and cake were part of it