Guild Wars 2

Starscream.7803:

Seigfried.5938:

covenn.7165:

I love the fact that IRON has bg/jq players all upset.

We need more guilds just like them. /cheer IRON!

The only reason IRON upsets us is because after denying us fights, they come here to chest thump about fighting against the odds. Sometimes, a few of them ~5 suicide into our zerg of 50 and then they chest thump about it, I just call that idiotic.

What Seigfried really means is he runs from us when he sees us, they expects us to fight him while he stands on the wall of a tower with a arrow cart with all his friends. Yes IRON very often denys these kind of fights. Man up Seigfried, learn to fight without seige!

I figured as much, but thanks for pointing it out Keep up the good work.

pot.6805:

xaiMera.3809:

Crimson Riddles.3892:

covenn.7165:

I love the fact that IRON has bg/jq players all upset.

We need more guilds just like them. /cheer IRON!

Lol with the way things are going and how SoR is responding, 3rd place will be their home for a very long time…

/cheer IRON!

And we don’t care. SoR hasn’t won 1st place in a while, and we won’t be getting 1st place any time soon until we have enough Oceanic/SEA guilds to hold all our NA gains. In the mean time, we will have fun.

Yeah we know the drill, SoR doesn’t care about anything until they actually care, then they always cared until the next time they no longer care.

Woah we care about something.

Collecting your bags.

I love the fact that IRON has bg/jq players all upset.

We need more guilds just like them. /cheer IRON!

We had problems with people refusing to fight us as well, despite how badly we lost one of the matches.

I totally get where you are coming from MiLKZz

Snowstorm.3897:

There needs to be a relevant counter to leader sniping, otherwise GvG is going to just dumb down to ‘who can burst the enemy leader faster’, which will most certainly not guarantee enjoyable fights.

There are numerous counters to it that can all be done without tonics.

We are mostly fine.

A couple of minor things need to be changed. Increasing radii of abilities to match blasting staff and replacing blasting staff. Reduce base attunement swap cool down as well. The biggest issue in the class atm is lack of build diversity due to being chained to arcana.

Wompage.4586:

lolno. I have never known anyone take 20mins between rounds unless its waiting for a blob fight somewhere else on the map to end to get rid of skill-lag. I’ll assume you are exaggerating to make a point though. There are plenty of legitimate reasons for delays.
And seriously the ghost tonic debate is old news, people need to learn to deal with it.
Masking class? Race? Attunements, Virtues, signets.

Yeah of course they are old news and I agree with you about being able to tell class from the icons. (however they do mask mostly being able to pick out individual players… which top guild absolutely do). My bigger point, as stated, is the absolute absurdity of it. Might as well have 20v20 ghost tonic fights for kittens and giggles.

Regarding the time issue, no I am not exaggerating by saying that some rounds at times can take upwards of 20 minutes in between. Obviously the rule would only come into effect if one guild was literally taking forever and wouldnt be needed in most cases. I have done a lot of GvG both on and off the record, trust me it happens more than you think.

Huge flaw in game design when purposefully failing an event in order to farm is vastly more rewarding than completing it. I view the Ember farm as exploiting a flaw in the game, and the exploitation of this has already had an impact on the in game economy.

The truth of the matter is that events are meant to be completed. Any player trying to complete the event, whether they are trolling you or not, is playing the event and the game as designed and intended by the developers. Getting upset about it and resorting to verbal abuse is only going to result in you getting a ban from Anet.

To expand upon this further, verbally abusing other players for trying to complete the event is only going to invite people to come and ruin your fun more often. You are basically asking for it, because not only are you providing fuel for those who like to troll, you provide fuel for people who had no intention of trolling you to do so due to the verbal abuse.

Case in point…. we were at a farm spot and a guild member of mine, and respected WvW commander joked about killing the cauldrons. He didn’t even touch them and was verbally assaulted in map chat and in whispers. This is someone who leads the server nightly… and it sure didn’t stop the nerd rage over nothing. When I say nerd rage, I mean seriously nasty stuff. Comments made towards him that would get you knocked the kitten out in the street if you said them to a random person.

The end result of this treatment towards him? Myself and others who were there to farm the event started trolling it instead. Killed the cauldrons, then followed the people that got nasty with him to the servers they guested to in order to do it to them again. We kept doing it until we got bored with and/or those people gave up trying.

Vicious cycle that leads to more nasty comments and more people trolling …..

Matches need to speed up as well and teams taking 20 minutes between rounds has got to stop. I think a clock rule should be added as well. For example: If Team B is taking too long, Team A can notify them that they are being put on the clock. If Team B is not ready within 10 minutes of that point, the round is forfeit.

Appearance changing potions need to be explicitly excluded for numerous reasons because they can mask class, race, etc. and prevent opponents from identifying key people in fights. It is nothing more than a crutch. The bigger reason is the absolute absurdity of everyone on a side running with a shape change.

Az z.2746:

oxide.8324:

1 button worn out yet?

Nah mate, I just face smash my keyboard. It works most of the time.

I find that spamming #1 doesn’t work overly well on an elementalist I have had to adapt my tactics.

Good fights tonight RISE

Crimson Riddles.3892:

Judging by this reply, I think I know who 1 of those 2 people from TW that died was. :P

I’ve died three times in the past 7 days that weren’t caused by gravity. All three were while running small man and getting ran over by zergs. As I said to the other bait attempt: Nice try though

Condition duration > condition reduction by a long shot. I am talking about mechanics here, not gear.

Oh wait ….I get it, is this just another example of 1 or 2 [TW] tags means everyone there is [TW]?

Anyways…. If beating up on the recruit guild or thinking the force you wiped was [TW] because a whopping two people out of all those bodies had [TW] tags… I whole heartedly support you if it gives you the morale you need to come out and fight every night.

Sorry about the lengthy response and breakdown… but I am stuck in a conference call that I had no business being invited to anyways because absolutely nothing they are talking about pertains to anything at all I am working on…. but some idiot decided I needed to be there anyways.

Wilco.1458:

I couldn’t respond to this without a video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSz2BNYXDJc

1) No doubt there are even-ish numbers. 2) It is clear Indo is leading, we had a target on him see 4:50 (and Silver Invader? dayyyummm). 3) You guys obviously retreat into the camp to build two arrow carts, one of which does not get finished.

That is your evidence? lmfao. Ok, I’ll play despite the poor video quality and all the tab target spam.

A few points:

1. By two minutes into the video you lost 2 people and no TW had died. I see you did manage to get someone in our pool of potential recruits though. Congrats on that.

2. The arrow cart you were proud of killing and using as ‘evidence’ had no TW tags around it period. Random people drop random siege all the time. /shrug

3. By 2:30 in the video I see multiple people (5 or so) on your side that need to be rezzed and several people down as well. Still no TW dead. I also see you have a recruit guild person targeted around the same time. (note the TWL tag)

4. Finally 2:54 minutes into a fight where you constantly tab target spam, you finally get someone actually in TW targeted.

5. By 3:06 in the fight, there are several fresh corpses on the ground from your side around the supply hut. For about 30 seconds straight you chase someone around in our recruit guild without managing to kill them while people die all around you. (too bad the video quality is so bad, because that person might be deserving of a guild invite) By 3:40 or so you give up trying to kill whoever that was and target someone else.

Interlude for a score update…. 0 TW dead. 1 recruit dead. A dozen plus on your side dead. Ok, lets continue…

6. By 5 minutes into the fight you manage to down (possibly kill) 1 person in TW. Meanwhile you have died as have several more people around you.

7: At 5:30, through the horrible video quality, I see you downed someone in TWL.

8. At 6:00 you down two more people in TWL.

9. At 6:30 you zerg someone down solo in the middle of the supply camp from TW who was there alone.

Score:

TW Deaths: 2 (1 of which was solo long after the fighting was done)

Deaths on your side: 18 or so give or take

Recruit guild deaths: 4 (1 who was downed when you back doored him at the start)

Summary:

Your big fight vs ‘TW’ that you are proud of to the point you made a video about it was more than likely a supply run where Indo was running a couple of people to a camp. The entire fight of you randomly spamming tab resulted in you targeting 2 to 4 actual members of TW (4 TW tags targetted, video quality too poor to tell if they were the same people or not repeated) out of that hoard of people. You managed two kill 2 people in TW in 6 minutes of fighting and lost somewhere between 1 and 2 dozen people on your side.

Sorry… what exactly is this evidence of? You caught a couple of TW players making a supply run? Umm, grats?

Weaselfierce.5241:

Jahn.7019:

SG seems really desperate for attention.

Yes… well, at least I am.
Dang Federal furlough is over with and I’m happy

Sucks you got furloughed man I was lucky enough to avoid it because of what I do.

Wilco.1458:

What are you talking about? This was in JQBL with your maphop zerg, lead by the great Indo himself. And we won, else I wouldn’t be trash talking. This was just before you guys all ragequit after failing to capture our garrison.

Maybe you guys should upgrade and become tactical like us!

Rage quit? Map hop zerg? lol

Too freaking funny. There were roughly 20 of us that left EB for JQBL and we weren’t even tagged up. Hilarious stuff.

Chopps.5047:

For the record, most in strikeforce thought the zerging of JQ farm events for completion was hysterical and wished we could have been there too. Those events are ludicrous—can’t wait for the patch.

I agree with you completely, it is ludicrous and is causing massive inflation. It should have been hot fixed especially since the devs said they are aware of the problem it is causing.

Wilco.1458:

Dear TW,

Next time you should build 4 arrow carts when you fight us open field. Obviously 2 wasn’t enough. Not sure what happened, I thought you used to be good.

You sound mad that you died.

TW was running under 20 for most of the night in EB. Given that I was there and I know when, where, and why we deployed arrow carts from time to time…. all I have to say in response is this:

Don’t be mad because less than 20 people dropped arrow carts to farm your 60 man zerg at a choke point. Thanks for the bags.

Chopps.5047:

Also, SoR and BG’s obsession with GvG is eating up their queue times and giving JQ a constant power play. Vanity and legendary farmers leaving JQ was enough to push us over the top last week.

I get it, you hate GvGs but they arent eating up queue times of giving JQ a constant power play…… That is a silly thing to say.

hammer.9721:

Dont know who you are trying to fool but everyone knows the only reason they went there was to grief and that is what is so sad.

Nobody is fooling anyone or trying to. I know exactly what happened and why.

If you or anyone else wants to know ‘why’ please send me a pm and I will tell you exactly what happened and why it did. Other than that, this is the WvW section so you are grossly off topic and really need to keep this nonsense out of here.

Wilco.1458:

Clockradio.3257:

Wilco.1458:

Crimson Riddles.3892:

Looks like SoR is pushing JQ pretty hard this week.

Needless to say, I think they’re kind of annoyed at us. So ticked off as to somehow sneak a peak at our map assignments before reset

Actually, most players on SoR I speak to hold both BG and JQ in high regards and respect the servers for what they are: WvW powerhouse servers.

If it feels like SoR is pushing JQ hard, it’s probably because of your top notch performance last week and they want to see where you’re really at in all respective timezones. Also, JQ does hold that #1 spot which everyone in this matchup is gunning for, so that could also be another reason why SoR might push JQ hard.

There’s a difference between pushing hard and sabotaging our PvE events. TW knows what I’m talking about.

We’re all for a good fight on the battlefield, but leave it there.

People get so angry when someone stops them from exploiting broken pve content. The entire in game economy is getting ruined by those exploiters in Orr. So sad.

Back on topic…. grats on the win JQ. I am glad you came back into the matchup rejuvenated!

MountainPanda.5831:

Wall of text about PvE

Again this is a WvW forum and not a PvE forum. We should try to stay on topic.

XcmGT.3847:

covenn.7165:

It probably isn’t too wise to complain on official forums when someone stops you from exploiting something broken in PvE. Just sayin…

What they ‘did’ was finish event in the manner it was supposed to be finished rather than exploit it. So nobody has any right to complain about it.

Ehh not surprising from you and the rest of TW…

Why are getting so upset that someone played the game exactly as it was intended by the developers?

Also, this is a WvW forum and not a PvE forum. You are way off topic.

It probably isn’t too wise to complain on official forums when someone stops you from exploiting something broken in PvE. Just sayin…

What they ‘did’ was finish event in the manner it was supposed to be finished rather than exploit it. So nobody has any right to complain about it.

Motoko.2875:

(Guild versus Guild, also known as GvG or Guild Battle, is a strategic form of PvP which matches two teams of eight players from different guilds against each other in the Guild Halls.)

As defined by whom? Somebody’s misconceived notion from other games?

8v8 originated in DAOC and that game had vastly more levels of complexity than this game can ever hope to have unless the entire thing is rewritten from the ground up. Claiming superiority for this watered/dumbed down game that appeals to the lowest common denominator is silly.

Arya.9021:

I really don’t care as to how you all view GvG in GW2, but at least take it to PvP.

The PvP ruleset is limiting, and to be frank, boring. I am open for a GvG environment with open world rules, food, and equipment choices because it is far less limiting and far more dynamic than what is currently in sPvP.

5v5 has a dynamic that is different than 10v10 and 20v20…. They are different types of game play. Calling 20v20 button spammers/mashers has about as much validity as calling 5v5 button spammers/mashers. It is childish and immature. There is a reason some teams almost never lose in sPvP, and it is the exact same reason some guilds almost never lose in GvG.

Range increase to 1200
Radii increased by 20%
Increase hailstones hitting targets
Lightning weakness and vuln.

Weakness is not the same and blind and weakness is not weak. Something that can reapply weakness or a decent duration weakness is extremely powerful.

Rigel.3092:

Oresh.4729:

the ranking between sor and jq is so close. Lets continue to steal bg fat ranking

Bring it – most of us on BG are currently in SoR mode: Fights > PPT.

I wish that was true during NA hours. :*(

Cirus.5748:

Jahn vs Magikarps

A clash of the mega trolls! ;D

It wouldn’t even be a fight tbh.

Jahn is a heavyweight and he would be fighting a flyweight.

Achilles.2197:

some fun fights tonighttttt

Umm, you never left tier one…. the random number generator just took you away for a bit.

ParaldaWind.4523:

LordKael.7260:

ParaldaWind.4523:

…
It would also encourage guilds to GvG more often than once every two months.

Thoughts?

The only issue I could see is the possibility of a guild being blacked-out of matches in order to drop them from the ranking. Say Guild ABC is a top performing GvG guild and for whatever reason, everyone they try to match against decides to either duck the match or not show up. This would result in ABC being artificially dropped from the rankings whether they deserve to be dropped or not. Without a way to force matches to happen, it might not be the best idea to arbitrarily remove a guild’s position due to having no matches played. Rating decay would likely be the better choice, but by how much I couldn’t say.

I hope that we as a community are mature enough to not “blacklist” any one guild from playing.

Maybe not blacklisting, but there are refusals of registered guilds to fight people they stand a chance of losing against. Then there are fights that get cancelled due to disagreements about conditions. Of course we also have fights that are finished and never make it on to the site for one reason or another.

We need to be able to challenge guilds in the current weekly matchup with repercussions to rating if they refuse to fight. We need to have a common rule set that can only be deviated from if both parties are in agreement.

In other words, we need an actual framework in place for this even if Anet never provides one.

Dunno 1800 power is about 400 lower than anything I would consider.

Capping rank is a concept that has failed in numerous other games. I am glad Anet decided to use those failures as an example when leaving the ranks as far reaching as they are.

Also.. capping rank at 250 means half the player base would be capped. I also don’t want a character bound reward …..it is meaningless to me as a WvW player.

Seigfried.5938:

One point I will have to disagree with is, BG/SoR double team? When did that happen? :O

There hasn’t been one, but it didn’t stop people from JQ from inventing and complaining about it…. much like you and others are doing now.

There hasn’t never been a legit double team involving SoR.

Yes, there have been times we sat and watched one server take something from another and/or blockaded one server at their spawn. Why? The complaints on the forum speak for themselves.

Kizzarse.8024:

Pffftt Anet getting a cent for me I play to have fun and 2v1 isnt fun whoever is on the losing end is pure frustration.

3 sided fight is far better than a 2 sided fight.

Seigfried.5938:

Jahn.7019:

Hopefully BG can pull itself out of this slump. Not sure what is up with that server but it’s obvious they need to fix something. Consistency is an important aspect of WvW.

To go from 1st place straight to 3rd is unheard of.

Are you sure you don’t know? I mean your server is, after all, double teaming us.

On another note, SoR, you guys are skillful as always, but JQ, I think tier 2 has made you soft. A fully seiged up tower with more numbers than us, and we still took it with just losing 1 person.

Complaining about double teams in a three sided fight never gets old or any less amusing to see.

BG wins… JQ blames SoR/BG of double teaming.

JQ wins… BG blames SoR/JQ of double teaming.

SoR wins… BG blames SoR/JQ double teaming

Each and every week we are matched together…. and it never seems to get old to any of you. Amazing that this far into the game that some of us have not figured out what a 3 sided fight is all about.

Grats on taking a tower by the way.

Calling a GvG zerg fighting is incorrect. There is most definitely strategy, coordination, and micro level adjustments that greatly affect out come of fights. There are reasons why some guilds always lose and some guilds always win…

With that said, the meta for 5v5 compared to a 20v20 is greatly different. Personally I find 10v10 easier for me than 20v20 because of how my class plays… but yeah, to each their own.

I am fairly certain I could bring back a dead matchup thread from 3 months ago… change the title of it, and nobody would even notice because the discussion is exactly the same.

Where is the WvW vendor for ascended back items?

Thanks!

Akio.1749:

I hate it when that 35+ group straps on their nikes and runs from our 20-25 man I’m sure TW feels the same way.

I concur completely.

oxide.8324:

Gotta give SoR a chance of winning or they just don’t show up for half the week

Our NA shows up every night. Pretty fail troll there sir.

Seigfried.5938:

Kiltor.9362:

Zeke Azul Falcon.5176:

Starscream.7803:

Pot when BG runs from us, whats left to fight? If you guys would just man up and realise if you die in game you dont die in real life you could actually fight us.

hi Star, there is a difference between running, fighting smart and suicide, we calculate if our position is to our advantage as well as numbers, we dont just jump in whenever we see SOR and IRON. I am sure you know this IRON/SOR or any other server does this. it is not a question of you not die in game or not but the morale of BG people who runs with us, they should have the mind set that the commander is leading them to glory not slaughter.

guess thats the difference between us and you. if we have 20 and see 30-40. we will hit it

Not very smart….

Maybe for you it isn’t very smart. For us it generally means 30 or so bags.

Liquid.9672:

I’ve personally witnessed TW running from greater numbers plenty of times. There’s nothing wrong with it. It’s what good groups do when you know you’re not going to come out on the other side alive, and for most it’s for the same reason in most people’s heads, which tends to be “why give those clowns a free bag?”.

I’m all for no guts no glory, but let’s keep it real here.

Ok, lets keep it real.

20 vs 30-40 is doable and we do it all the time.

20 vs 50+ is a whole different ball game and requires the right situation and hit.

That explains what you see.

Seigfried.5938:

covenn.7165:

This needs to be locked already and we aren’t even 12 hours into the match. Week in and out with the same nonsense.

I think JQ/TC/SoR would be a nice fun weekly match up discussion.

Ooh yes, SoR plays only for the fights and not PPT, then why ask for a matchup you will undoubtedly win? JQ and TC won’t be able to put up half the fight BG puts up

Reading fail there? Try again.

I clearly said discussion.

This needs to be locked already and we aren’t even 12 hours into the match. Week in and out with the same nonsense.

I think JQ/TC/SoR would be a nice fun weekly match up discussion.

Yeah RE did some thing we weren’t expecting and simply out played us despite us getting the win in the end. Was a really fun fight.

PredatoR.5247:

Nakoor.1980:

PredatoR.5247:

WRod.3856:

I love how TW’s staff eles use the tornado exploit in the GvG. Cast meteor shower then jump into tornado..

Play fair kids. no need to cheat.

Win at whatever cost.

TW slogan

I would say let’s relive that old fight of ours, but you seem to have gone and jumped servers again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhvQxeqa3Uw

LoL at you for trying to pass off a scrimmage as a real fight.

Stay classy AGG ….lmao.