Guild Wars 2

Sardonia.8196:

Azure Prower.8701:

Now that JQ is the number 1 super server. We’ll see how long it lasts before they get bored.

Of right now there is only one bracket, believe T6 that is actually competitive.

What is your definition of competitive?

Junkpile.7439:

Probably some guild who get their sPvP players in WvWvW.

It doesn’t translate over directly to be honest, even though it does help in small fights immensely.

I have two legitimate crashes since release of this game. One on my nearly 5 year old system and one my new build. Sounds like you have some issues with your computer to be honest. This is actually one of the more stable games I have played in regards to crashes.

Honestly, who cares. Any non prime time guilds that BG gets will only help them against JQ once they get back to T1. By proxy, this will also help the other T1 server as well because JQ won’t be able to take everything mostly uncontested.

I am glad they moved… now if only we could get a few Euro guilds to come to SoR to make things really interesting in T1.

If you want an objective your enemy holds for the sake of map completion, you will never get it by complaining on the forums. If you want that objective, do what everyone else does, go take it from your enemies.

You aren’t entitled to anything. If you want it, earn it.

Doomdesire.9365:

PRX and SF seem to be running a super zerg in SoR BL now. Come join in on the action! I noticed SoS seems to have almost no prescense in there. Let’s get some 3 way battles going!

No fair! We had PRX in JQ BL and they left us to go play with you.

I call shenanigans.

Nakoor.1980:

There goes the secret.

Perhaps to the uninitiated. The important people already knew.

ThaOwner.7560:

From what i have faced i have to say [HB] from blackgate

From personal experience, I will have to disagree with you in regards to being the most powerful. They are, however, a top tier guild among their peers. (just not the top)

muylaetrix.2096:

i can’t claim to know all guilds but from the ones i’ve played with and played against, i would nominate Red Guard. i’ve been playing for like 11-12 years AGAINST (DAoC, warhammer and now GW2) them and one week with them on our side and they deliver.

I can’t speak of playing against them in GW, but regarding the other two games (which isn’t relevant to this topic), I will have to whole heartedly disagree with you from personal experience.

jaegerx.1693:

Teamkiller.4315:

Bunzy.8674:

Whichever guild I am in.

My entire server tells me that AoN is loads better than your guild.

No, I’m not from dragonbrand, but I am in t3.

Maybe, but Bunzy is the best d/d ele in the game. I’ve never seen anyone beat him in a 1on1. If you can please post videos of it on this forum.

1v1 doesn’t mean best at WvW, just saying. It is a different skill set and play style completely. Regardless, this was not meant as an insult towards anyone. I am sure the player you mentioned kicks kitten

fivekiller.1432:

covenn.7165:

Nuked.2360:

ConradR.6940:

PRX why did you guys leave JQ BL just now? TW and CDS are bored now. Did yall just go to SOR BL for easy points? lol …. cowards

Would be nice if TW didn’t run in 50+ man groups when we were fighting can’t call people cowards if no one can use skills on our end.

Sorry.We dont have 50 in the guild. You must be mistaken

Exactly 15 of us online right now.

The game mechanics do allow us to run with those not in our own guild.

Really? I never realized that.

Nuked.2360:

ConradR.6940:

PRX why did you guys leave JQ BL just now? TW and CDS are bored now. Did yall just go to SOR BL for easy points? lol …. cowards

Would be nice if TW didn’t run in 50+ man groups when we were fighting can’t call people cowards if no one can use skills on our end.

Sorry.We dont have 50 in the guild. You must be mistaken

Exactly 15 of us online right now.

Aww where did PRX go tonight? Fun fights, why did you leave JQ bl ?

Nuked.2360:

BG also got some very good Tier 1 guilds that transferred to compliment their NA which wasn’t dominant but now has an opportunity to be very very scary.

Well that is excellent news! I can’t for them to get back into T1 so we can see if they are a challenge now during NA coverage periods. Hurry up and get here BG, I am looking forward to having some competition from you.

Off to the gym, enjoy your afternoon.

Vodka.3958:

a bunch of stuff not worth quoting

Hey Vodka, did you know that you can drill down into those scores and see PPT trends over time and coverage areas? It provides a whole other layer of information that knowledgeable people use before posting.

You should check it out

Burl.9567:

Anyways…this all started with a few certain mesmer from a certain guild glitching into a certain keep over and over and their leadership denying it (even after video proof was presented showing it). The whole matchup and every subsequent went downhill from there civility wise.

Vodka, do you happen to recall what guild that was and who there GM is? Its been a while and I don’t quite remember. Thanks bud!

fivekiller.1432:

covenn.7165:

Anyways, it is kind of funny that we have more people from T2 servers currently posting in the T1 thread than we do from T1.

Its nothing worth getting upset or angry about! We should try to just relax, take a deep breath, remain calm, and have a score update!

Agreed! Thank god nobody is getting upset and thanks for the score update!

dirtyoldgoat.5496:

covenn.7165:

…… the whole misconception about ‘throttling back’ that never turned out to be reality.

…………………………. …………….. ………… …… … .. .

It simply wasn’t despite the perception some of you had. Let me ask you this: Can you honestly say that we actually went through with throttling back given how the week ended up? Use common sense and think about it. I implore you, thanks.

Anyways, it is kind of funny that we have more people from T2 servers currently posting in the T1 thread than we do from T1.

Vodka.3958:

covenn.7165:

I think perhaps BG is bored the way they are zerging this thread. This must be what it feels like to be an undefended keep door.

Hahah is that what you did when you were going up against SBI? Honestly I’m just reading on the public forums right now before NA PST prime starts.

Unfortunately yes, and that left TC in the same position we were in against you back then. I.E. not being able to do much other than watch the score tick away at 600+ for 3/4ths of the day.

For the most part, the posters on SoR tried to stay respectful about the situation even if some of the TC people took it the wrong way after the whole misconception about ‘throttling back’ that never turned out to be reality.

I can assure you that I most certainly, didnt point to the scoreboard and beat my chest. I also didn’t spam people’s inbox with nonsense to the same effect. In fact, if you read through the threads, I was doing the exact opposite

Maybe you could learn from that.

VOLKON.1290:

covenn.7165:

I think perhaps BG is bored the way they are zerging this thread. This must be what it feels like to be an undefended keep door.

Oh no you didn’t!

At least wait for them to get here before you drag them too far into the fray. They still haven’t passed SoS, so this may all be premature.

Be fair, I didn’t drag them into this thread. They did it all on their own.

dirtyoldgoat.5496:

covenn.7165:

DivineBeing.2086:

covenn.7165:

DivineBeing.2086:

Please note the tier 2 thread where TC lacks even more coverage than SoR ever did. Look at how civil that thread is.

Our thread with TC and SBI was quite civil too. In fact most of you could probably learn a lesson from it.

I am curious about one thing though …..why are you posting here when you play on BG? Ok, I am not really curious, I know why.

Oh! Oh! You mean the thread match up where you guys were completely obliterating a server and a dead server, and comparing that to the other match up threads where cover..age….was an iss..ue…and you….lost…oh nevermine I won’t bring that up.

Enjoy the match up guys!

Not sure what you are talking about I was referring to the thread where we were sympathetic to our opponents instead of beating our chests like we accomplished something special by zerging them into the ground.

Feel free to read it again. Thanks

That response is pure troll bait.

I am going to take a wise womans advice and just say “we are going to have to agree to disagree, thanks for adding input”

Thats not my recollection…. but different people perhaps remember things differently.

Perhaps. I do agree that there were some posters being less than civil during that ahem unfortunate situation. If you do recall, there were several of us trying to keep them in check and tell them to knock it off… myself being one of them.

Anyways, feel free to quote me from that thread if you feel otherwise. Please keep it in context and include the preceding and following posts.

dirtyoldgoat.5496:

The currrent t2 TC match > the last t2 TC Match.

I am glad it is working out better for you. Its no fun being on the receiving end of that prior situation. Glad it only lasted 2 weeks.

I think perhaps BG is bored the way they are zerging this thread. This must be what it feels like to be an undefended keep door.

DivineBeing.2086:

covenn.7165:

DivineBeing.2086:

Please note the tier 2 thread where TC lacks even more coverage than SoR ever did. Look at how civil that thread is.

Our thread with TC and SBI was quite civil too. In fact most of you could probably learn a lesson from it.

I am curious about one thing though …..why are you posting here when you play on BG? Ok, I am not really curious, I know why.

Oh! Oh! You mean the thread match up where you guys were completely obliterating a server and a dead server, and comparing that to the other match up threads where cover..age….was an iss..ue…and you….lost…oh nevermine I won’t bring that up.

Enjoy the match up guys!

Not sure what you are talking about I was referring to the thread where we were sympathetic to our opponents instead of beating our chests like we accomplished something special by zerging them into the ground.

Feel free to read it again. Thanks

Vodka my friend, I would quote you and respond, but I suspect there will be no need to in a few minutes given how much attention is being paid to this thread.

VOLKON.1290:

Nah, it isn’t my case to make. Just observing that there appears to be something in common between the listed four match-ups.

Just to think, here I was assuming you would be able to see through that clearly. I thought it was obvious.

DivineBeing.2086:

Please note the tier 2 thread where TC lacks even more coverage than SoR ever did. Look at how civil that thread is.

Our thread with TC and SBI was quite civil too. In fact most of you could probably learn a lesson from it.

I am curious about one thing though …..why are you posting here when you play on BG? Ok, I am not really curious, I know why.

VOLKON.1290:

Nuked.2360:

pot.6805:

Wow, the same suspects who ruined the IoJ/BG/SoR, TC/BG/SoR/, SoR/SBI/TC threads have now ruined the JQ/SoR/SoS thread.

And people think coincidences are overrated :P But yea I think we all know what caused the thread to go down hill.

You know… there does seem to be something in common between those four match-ups… but I can’t quite put my finger on it…

Can you provide any evidence that the SoR/SBI/TC was ruined? Aside from a couple of random posts, it was one of the most respectful matchup threads I have seen to date.

Thanks, I look forward to any thing you can provide to support your case.

Edit: pardon my reply going to this post instead of where it belongs. Seems like there are some shenanigans at work behind the scenes.

Vodka.3958:

covenn.7165:

Odd, every time this thread seems to return to normal, some random person from a certain T2 server stops by to stoke the flames. Even more amusing given the drama these very same people caused in the past.

He was just pointing out his observation and wasn’t pointing any fingers, covenn. No need to get defensive bro

Who is getting defensive bro? I am just pointing something out. Speaking of what I was pointing out…. I appreciate you popping by and making my case for me

Odd, every time this thread seems to return to normal, some random person from a certain T2 server stops by to stoke the flames. Even more amusing given the drama these very same people caused in the past.

Mr. Nuked, I agree… coincidences are not always overrated.

The 1-3 hour time difference between Brazil and east coast NA would most likely be ok for you on SoR regarding queue times. You might run into them late in your evening as more and more of us come online, but I think overall you will be ok.

DivineBeing.2086:

Wow, I wonder which posts are completely bias’d?

“Started with chest thumping from a particular server that pvdoor’d uncontestedly for 16 hours”…

The truth is, SoR is extremely prideful (extremely) of their NA coverage and believe they should be in tier 1. BG’s SEA coverage completely obliterated SoR which made it impossible for SoR to move up.

That is the truth. Now, who started the forum wars is really up in the air andhonestly does not matter.

No bias or revisionism. Simple truth that can be easily discerned by looking at old threads. No need to debate it really. It simply is what it is.

I am a little confused though, if we didn’t believe that we belonged in T1, we wouldn’t be here now We would back back in T2 with you.

Archer.1658:

Khalic.3561:

It definitely needs some changes. I can’t even change my attunement without the damage effect triggering. Much less dodge, heal, or use pretty much any other ability.

This is a blatant lie, I dueled an ele last night and confusion does not tic on attunement swap, or dodge or heal. The amount of bad players in this thread is very shocking. Oh yeah and the ele beat me in the duel too. Oh wops theres good players out there.

Please read up on the elementalist and what caused him to say what he did. He most definitely was not lying. You are just unfamiliar with the class and the ‘why’

Khalic, sometimes it is better to just withdraw temporarily and let it time out. The is even more true if you aren’t running a condition removal build or they are down. No point in switching attunement to heal when you have 15 stacks on you and you will get hit twice trying to do so. Huge net loss.

Miiaah.5416:

And JQ really can’t say anything about a double team, BGs first week back to T1 was literally Benny Hill ridiculous the way JQ threw everything they had at BG and never touched SoS for at least the first 4-5 days.

See, I am not sure I agree with you here. JQ is full of people that want to crush SoS for whatever reason. Heck, JQ got a large influx of people that transferred there with the sole purpose of crushing SoS.

I cannot imagine them ignoring each other, ever.

Miiaah.5416:

The only times I remember it seemed bad for SoR was the last hour of Thai but SoR had numbers…….for awhile

I agree that it wasn’t always a situation during all non NA hours that we were out manned. I would be lying if I tried to claim that. The reality is though that even when we had some numbers to try and do something, it was still against superior numbers with upgrades structures at their back. In regards to morale, yeah, dealing with that over time that does have an effect on some people.

VOLKON.1290:

On a more serious note, I’ve heard there’s some bad blood between SoR and BG but not a reason as to why?

Honestly forum drama between some of the usual suspects on both servers as well as drama with some of those that can no longer post on the boards, ever. Some may not recall exactly when or why it started, but I believe it can be traced back to a particular match up thread(s) where a certain server was relentlessly chest thumping about the scoreboard after ticking away uncontested for weeks on end for 16 hours a day at 600+ . Then the initiating server getting upset when the receiving server retaliated repeatedly by farming them nonstop during NA hours. Add those two together, and throw in some attempts to revise history on the originating server, and you have a recipe for bad blood… more so when it involved guild leaders of major influencing WvW guilds.

Who knows really though, it may have started long before then somehow. I was just an observer initially before partaking in the sweet sweet forum drama nectar myself.

Edit: Looks like Hoots answered you first. Going to leave the post up for the sake of posterity.

Miiaah.5416:

I agree SoR and BG should be able to bust JQs dominance but are SoR and BG really not going to smash into each other and take us both out of the match because of our past? It will be an interesting week I’m sure

Doubtful that any time of teamwork against JQ would ever be performed. There is a lot of animosity between our two servers and people that would be able to influence it. Personally, I wouldn’t want that anyways.

Somehow I suspect that even if we did during non NA peak hours at least, it still wouldn’t put much of a dent in JQ. They were ticking away on you at 600 too if you recall. Heh

Miiaah.5416:

I really don’t recall SoR

It appears your recollection is incorrect. Simply put, if there is an even match, you would not every tick away at 600+ every day for several hours. That PPT is only obtainable when one side can field numbers and the other two servers cannot. Attributing it to anything else is kind of silly.

I find that most people that get laughed off the forums is due to how they play rather than how they spec. For example, those that say they don’t switch attunements and think it is awesome, then refuse to listen to reason.

Burl.9567:

Ulhan.8540:

CC Meinke.2749:

Hello,
please stay on topic. If a thread should be closed or not and how reports are handled is our decision. Such posts are disrespectful towards other users participating in this discussion.

Now look what you did, you got the mod’s involved. This is why we can’t have nice things.

This is why the WvW patch was delayed a month. They are forced to babysit us instead. As punishment for our transgressions, all T1 servers will be subjected to increased culling levels and longer queues.

It was brutal when they did that to us last time.

muylaetrix.2096:

DAoC had no limits to the number of targets an AE could hit, but they had something else to compensate. it’s called AE-dropoff. it means that someone standing on the center of the AE was hit for 100 % of the damage and that the damage decreased in a linear fashion the further away from the center, dropping down to 1 % of the damage at the edge of the AE. it’s a brilliant system. i hope Anet introduces it (but i don’t expect it).

Drop off with no maximum targets would be great for damage, but what about the other affects like conditions? Also, I don’t think DAOC dropped down to 1%, at least not when I stopped playing. Seems like it was more like 50% at the end of the radius at least on pbaoe spells.

EasymodeX.4062:

Tbh there’s too much in the way of veiled trolling, mockery, whining, crying, accusations, and basically everything because the mods stamp hard when it’s done honestly.

I mean these things get resolved way more quickly when people can be honest. For example, if Kreen could simply say “you guys were kittening spying” without getting infracted, and covenn respond with “screenshots/audio or it didn’t happen kittenwad”, then that would end the discussion in 2 posts, rather than beating around the bush for most of a page for fear of infractions.

You do make a very valid point in what you are saying. There is a lot of needless nonsense that goes on due to what you mentioned. I have found in my professional career that sometimes it is better to leave some things alone because the impact of exerting too much control can be more damaging than that which you were trying to prevent.

Miiaah.5416:

urzen.7096:

Vodka.3958:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

chronos.4239:

covenn.7165:

profitsports.5789:

then maybe you two servers should jus get the hell out and make way for kaineng and blackgate, the true tier one servers

Having fought Blackgate for far more weeks than you. I can safely say that they have less coverage than JQ and their NA presence isn’t as good either. They belong in T1 of SoS most likely. They have better coverage than SoR but a far worse NA crew, so I am not so sure they ‘deserve’ T1 and more than SoR despite all the Pvdoor they did for numerous weeks uncontested to run up score.

That was a long time ago my friend. Blackgates guilds are far more improved then the days of being in tier 2. We are far more battle tested then you are seeing as this is your first stint in tier 1. Get ready for that third place spot when bg returns to tier 1 my friend

I like your confidence but trust me SoR is much stronger than BG now even with your recent transfers from foE and AGG.

I’m pretty sure Blackgates perfect 11-0 record against SoR says otherwise but you can keep thinking what you want to make yourself feel better.

To be fair, 9 of those wins were against our doors.

What timezone was this, I remember week after week of SEA/Oceanic fights where 30 SoR would wipe 2-3 times then leave the map after breakout events against equal numbers. Maybe you guys are talking EU. It seems we will find out soon enough

Are you saying that your entire oceanic/sea presence consisted of 30 people? I am pretty sure you got a guild from SoR that was bigger than that by themselves.

I don’t play during sea/oceanic hours generally, but from the few times I did then, I can tell you that 30 people was pushing it as total for all maps combined. This means that your perception may be a little skewed due to lack of perspective. If you have 30 people total on 4 BLs fighting hundreds from BG, of course they are going to have to hop maps frequently. This was evidenced by what I saw when I was able to play those hours.

Heck I remember one day 5 of us were running around your BL farming groups of 15-20 until your entire zerg decided to track us down and follow us all over the map. Made for a lot of fun trying to dodge 80 of you with everyone in our zone (the 5 of us).

Edit: Anyways, it is unfortunate that even your superior coverage (compared to ours then) wasn’t enough to put a dent in JQ either as evidenced by them ticking away on you at 600+ too. Maybe between the two of our servers, we can put a dent in some of these other time slots once you get back to T1.

Kreen.3925:

covenn.7165:

Kreen.3925:

covenn.7165:

Kreen.3925:

covenn.7165:

Nice try though, but you should probably not be disrespectful to people on your team that are actually giving it a good shot just because you aren’t.

well said, we can leave that task to you I am sure

Please don’t get passive aggressive with me.

well, given how you like the concept of an open forum and it all laid out there I am not sure why you would now deny me my fun? Go on, report me, the irony would be so sweet.

I don’t report people because it draws attention to the thread and would end up getting me an infraction for something random. Regardless, you really shouldn’t confuse something in one environment as being applicable in a different one. That is bad practice.

What? would you like me to quote you? Look, I know this is off topic but you either support the concept of an open forum or you don’t. Its that simple. If you feel you need the practice then fine. Thats all part of the learning process.

You obviously are not understanding what I am saying to you or how to apply it correctly. You are also progressively getting more and more upset. I am sorry you feel this way, really. I think at this point it is probably just best to stop responding to you because all I think I am doing at this point is adding fuel to your fire. With that said, I hope you calm down and not let this ruin your day.

Kreen.3925:

covenn.7165:

Kreen.3925:

covenn.7165:

Nice try though, but you should probably not be disrespectful to people on your team that are actually giving it a good shot just because you aren’t.

well said, we can leave that task to you I am sure

Please don’t get passive aggressive with me.

well, given how you like the concept of an open forum and it all laid out there I am not sure why you would now deny me my fun? Go on, report me, the irony would be so sweet.

I don’t report people because it draws attention to the thread and would end up getting me an infraction for something random. Regardless, you really shouldn’t confuse something in one environment as being applicable in a different one. That is bad practice.

Kreen.3925:

covenn.7165:

Kreen.3925:

My guess was around 70 of you in a couple of blobs.

Once we switched off the pin in our small man magically we stopped meeting a welcoming commitee.

I am going to respond to these two thing:

1. We don’t fight in blobs. That is not how you counter the hammer/confusion trains your server likes to use. So this is quite inaccurate.

2. The veiled implication that we are spying on you is really uncalled for an not even remotely close to reality. Please don’t do it, it is blatantly disrespectful to everyone. The maps are extremely small and the objectives limited, you shouldn’t be surprised to ever run into people.

Oh, how lucky of me, a response.

On point 1, my defintion mind you, a blob is a predominantly single guilded group of players, as opposed to the zerg which is made up of a mix. I saw CDS, TW and Hel blobs last night.

On point 2, I frankly don’t care, you can read into to it as you see fit. I don’t think I mentioned anyone or anything by name so I am not sure why you would get so uptight about it and assume its you? Who know, maybe pigs fly and it was just a coincidence.

Point 1: Understood that is your definition. People have been taking to calling hammer/retal/conf/whatever trains as blobs on the boards lately, thus the misunderstanding.

Point 2: Who is uptight? I was just pointing out that you are making a veiled accusation and that it is disrespectful and most likely inaccurate. Kind of amusing that you are pointing a finger at me now just because I called you on it. Sounds like you are pretty upset.

There really is no need to ever get mad and resort to this. Please calm down and keep it civil. Thanks

Burl.9567:

covenn.7165:

1. We don’t fight in blobs. That is not how you counter the hammer/confusion trains your server likes to use. So this is quite inaccurate.

We didn’t even have a queue most of the night, much less a 70 man zerg.

True, the first time I logged in we had no queue. After I crashed, I did have one for 5 minutes.

Kreen.3925:

Those were fun fights last night for sure. More than happy for SoR’s premier forces to all stay on JQ BL for every match up….

Sadly this is not the truth. You only had a small portion of them on map with you.