Guild Wars 2

Gearing for any extra condition damage in WvW is a waste on an ele.

zTales.4392:

It only changes the flow because that’s the flow everyone got used to.

After PvP’n for the past few days, I’ve figured out the new flow, and it’s really not much different. My only issue is not having RTL when I need to run away sometimes.

Not quite what I meant.

Jeknar.6184:

covenn.7165:

Jeknar.6184:

Also people will find a way to exploit this by making an account on the enemy server and farm it…

…and they cant do this now and aren’t? I am pretty sure we have all seen examples of people removing supply from keeps, turn siege around, sabo-ing upgrades, spying etc.

None of those your mentioned affect the Scoreboard directly… Points per kill would allow an exploit that would directly interfere in the game score.

Last I checked, keeps and towers accounted for points. Not only that they can influence points as a whole in the zone indirectly. Not to mention the impact simply spying can have…..

Jeknar.6184:

Also people will find a way to exploit this by making an account on the enemy server and farm it…

…and they cant do this now and aren’t? I am pretty sure we have all seen examples of people removing supply from keeps, turn siege around, sabo-ing upgrades, spying etc.

Slamz.5376:

Usual MMORPG developer thinking:
“Let’s make this character bound so that our players can have fun developing many characters through this system.”

Actual player thinking:
“I’m bored of this class. I think I’ll level up something new. Wait. It’s going to take me 6 months now to get to where my main is and while I’m doing this my main is going to fall behind. That’s not fun and I’m tired of my main. I quit.”

Every.
Game.
Ever.

I disagree completely with this when a reward system is actually done right. Is this reward system even supposed to introduce a power gap where your statement could even be potentially relevant to begin with?

Burl.9567:

pot.6805:

Score update. Had fun defending hills against FOO!

+220 this late in the morning for SoR. I dunno what happened SoR oceanics, but I’m loving it. Keep strong guys! I’m sure having the third server there actually competing helps quite a lot.

I don’t know what to say about this other than I am glad for all three servers that there seems to be competition all hours of the day to day! Awesome stuff.

FractalChaos.6539:

It’s just as much of an exploit, and the people should be banned. Simple as that. Your argument is so weak (it’s not even an argument, it’s a justification) .

Think about it.

“I know it’s bugged. It’s an exploit to hide in broken geometry. But everyone else does it, so we do too…therefore, because so many people use it, it’s not an exploit anymore.”

Except that was not my argument. My advice is that you go back an reread what I wrote. After doing that, please quote me where I defended using a glitched model.

You are attributing a comment and argument made by someone else to me, and frankly, it is quite tiresome. Especially given that I have blatantly pointed this out to you once already. I honestly hope that you finally get it.

Once again, that entire area is accessible without hacking and ‘wall jumping’. You can simply jump there without doing anything special. (<—- Note: This is what I was defending) It is a common hiding spot, and you should check it for mesmers to be sure it isn’t used.

So yet again, I have not condoned or even hinted at that utilizing a model glitch is appropriate. The is up to ANET to decide, judge upon, and issue bans as needed. (<— Note: this is the issue you were commenting and arguing about)

Please tell me you see the disconnect now.

Miiaah.5416:

covenn.7165:

kevinskyrider.3271:

Gratz on getting OCX SoR! Good fights.

Huh? There is OCX on SoR now? When did that happen? Source?

Hopefully SoR gets equal coverage to BG or JQ so this match turns into a 3 way photo finish, I think this is really what everyone wants. Doesn’t seem like SoR is that far off, maybe start talking with Kain, they have to have Oceanic Qs with the forces they had in T2. I doubt they would miss a couple smaller guilds to help SoR

That would be awesome.

SFShinigami.2015:

covenn.7165:

SFShinigami.2015:

I can think of 3 off the top of my head that were doing it last night.

Ok, I will play. Who were the three guilds ‘zerg’ balling?

I don’t like dropping guild names on forums like that if I don’t really have to. It just further riles everyone up. I would have never even brought it up if someone else hadn’t already.

Shoot me a PM then. I am curious as to who you think zerg balls and why.

Jeknar.6184:

If it wasn’t suposed to be a Coverage game i doubt it would be a week-long matchup…

So you think ANET designed this entire game around who has more people online 24-7? Why even bother W3 zones then and just make the PPT revolve around current population totals?

I want it to be character bound to reward people that stick to their class instead of FotMing around to whatever the current OP class is.

Tobias Steele.2071:

covenn.7165:

Tobias Steele.2071:

tkalamba.2541:

covenn.7165:

kevinskyrider.3271:

Gratz on getting OCX SoR! Good fights.

Huh? There is OCX on SoR now? When did that happen? Source?

So far I’ve seen it mentioned earlier in this thread, been attempting to get some sort of confirmation on it.

They have announced it on their website and the SOS webpage. So yes, unfortunately its confirmed.

Unfortunately? If they did indeed come to SoR, then all three servers should be happy. More competition for all during those hours.

Do you have a link?

http://oceanix.enjin.com/forum/m/8829346/viewthread/6117643-where-will-we-make-our-stand

You will have to forgive me for not being delighted that one of the last oceanic guilds on the last oceanic server is jumping ship. One has to wonder if the other guilds that were planning on staying will reassess their position. We also lost Zero Negative today so yeah…

I didnt realize you were on SoS when I made my post. Sorry.

Thanks for the link.

SFShinigami.2015:

I can think of 3 off the top of my head that were doing it last night.

Ok, I will play. Who were the three guilds ‘zerg’ balling?

jojojoon.8607:

Many players actually do not prefer this zerg style of game play. If you look at other threads on this forum currently and in the past, you would notice that many actually want to run in smaller groups to complete objectives on the map like taking camps, defending towers, escorting yaks, etc.

It would be nice to be able to play all night with just 10-20 of us and not worry about running into 80 man zergs all the time from BG/JQ. Unfortunately, small map size and the overemphasis placed on zerging down structures for points is preventing this.

Oh I think you may be a bit off with your statement of what people prefer. I don’t think anyone wants to take camps, yaks, towers, etc in small groups. What I think people really want is being able to roam in small groups and fight other small groups. Do any of us really W3 to PvE objectives?

Liquid.9672:

covenn.7165:

Tobias Steele.2071:

tkalamba.2541:

covenn.7165:

kevinskyrider.3271:

Gratz on getting OCX SoR! Good fights.

Huh? There is OCX on SoR now? When did that happen? Source?

So far I’ve seen it mentioned earlier in this thread, been attempting to get some sort of confirmation on it.

They have announced it on their website and the SOS webpage. So yes, unfortunately its confirmed.

Unfortunately? If they did indeed come to SoR, then all three servers should be happy. More competition for all during those hours.

Do you have a link?

Uhhh. How about unfortunately for SoS?

Fair point for sure.

jojojoon.8607:

I feel that SOR is playing similar to how SOS used to play which was to ball up in huge zergs to run through their opponents.

SoR doesn’t zerg ball outside of maybe one guild I know of that still does it. It is an inferior tactic that is easily broken. In fact, when we first came to T1 I was shocked that people were still having success with both it and portal bombing. I guess that speaks more poorly of the bandwagon issues with skill level more than the server originals though.

Tobias Steele.2071:

tkalamba.2541:

covenn.7165:

kevinskyrider.3271:

Gratz on getting OCX SoR! Good fights.

Huh? There is OCX on SoR now? When did that happen? Source?

So far I’ve seen it mentioned earlier in this thread, been attempting to get some sort of confirmation on it.

They have announced it on their website and the SOS webpage. So yes, unfortunately its confirmed.

Unfortunately? If they did indeed come to SoR, then all three servers should be happy. More competition for all during those hours.

Do you have a link?

kevinskyrider.3271:

Gratz on getting OCX SoR! Good fights.

Huh? There is OCX on SoR now? When did that happen? Source?

Jeknar.6184:

People would just start running around for kills than capturing the objectives i’d say (even if the kills doesn’t really represent a high portion of the score).

As opposed to dodging fighting the enemy, not leaving keeps, or taking undefended towers and keeps off peak hours? The current state of the game doesn’t reward playing well, it rewards population and coverage. That has to change.

Kills should influence the scoreboard in some fashion. For the most part, who wins each weak is determined by who has the best around the clock coverage instead of the team that plays the best. This is the only real way to balance things out.

LordByron.8369:

seems you dont play fractals ._.

There is nothing hard or challenging about PvE. Until a game company can implement realistic intelligent AI for PvE encounters to make it dynamic, this will always be the case.

The badge drop rate now is way too high in WvW imo. With all the extra bags dropping now, I am not sure how anyone can still say the badge rate is too low.

But yeah, regarding the jump puzzles, they should be removed completely from W3. They take up queue space from people actually wanting to W3.

Sweet! Nice work keeping JQ at bay.

pot.6805:

Running around in 60man zergballs isn’t challenging in the least.

Why the hate? You are ‘winning’. Just look at the scoreboard.

Zen.8497:

pot.6805:

Running around in 60man zergballs isn’t challenging in the least.

Bring it on.
The culling and lag might be deceiving, I know we were 25-30 people at most and we had 5-6 parties on and off going in the same squad.

I am not sure what he is complaining about given that the vast majority of the time we were fighting forces much larger than ours.

Not only that we don’t ‘zerg ball’, though we do break them all the time quite easily.

Melkiah.2496:

Actually, the RTL cooldown nerf has changed nothing. The real nerf no one seems to see is the one pointed at our auras. “ZOMG what are you talking about, 10% damage reduction, so sweet!!1!one!”. The damage reduction was the last thing d/d eles needed, and what’s the price for it? Internal cooldowns on auras main effects, cutting literally in half theyr usefullness.

I disagree with you about the RTL cool down changing nothing. It changes the entire flow. Not game breaking by any means nor what it a heavy handed nerf, but it most certainly changes things.

Ele’s are extremely good in WvW underwater.

TheGreatA.4192:

The whole argument was that only a glass cannon can “destroy” bigger groups because apparently more survivable builds don’t have enough damage to take enemies out. Based on all I’ve seen it’s the more survivable eles who still do viable damage which are the ones that take out bigger groups, while glass cannons usually go down like a sack of grain in any situation other than 1v1.

Medium survivability and medium damage is generally not what people complain about. Why? Because it is across the board mediocre.

People see one ele dancing around in full bunker spec tanking a couple of people, and then get hit by another ele later for 8k damage with fire grab. Rather than understanding that one is a bunker and the other is a glass cannon, they come to the boards and whine about ele’s pwning everyone’s face off by tanking tanking entire groups while destroying them with superior damage.

You see examples of this in each and every ele thread that pops up in the forums, and it just isn’t reality.

warsock.7830:

Looking forward to the fights with SoR and JQ this week. Reset was rough! Hopefully we can all show our true talents during the week though! Good luck everyone!

-[ICoa] War Sock

We will tick between 5 and 100 for the most part during our off coverage hours. Not to much we can do about that right now. I just hope your brand new coverage can stop JQ from ticking away at 600.

No worries though, we will keep bringing it in the evenings, even if we have to fight up hill against structures that were taken and upgraded while we were offline. We have been doing it for months and are quite used to it.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Persephone.7436:

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

that warrior clicks his utilities as well.

9 and 0 are hard to reach. What do you expect.

It’s generally a good idea to try rebinding them to more convenient keys, probably ones that aren’t used. Good examples are C and Mouse 3, or if you want to move your scoreboard key you can use B as well

Not to mention you can bind strafe to A and D as turn left/right is useless anyways, and free up Q/E for other things.

Anyways, clicking is the least of it.

Monsoon.2589:

portal bombs the most.

30+ minutes fight in SM = sweet. Not being able to use a single heal for 10 seconds and having to die because of it = D .e.r.p

First part I quoted: I seriously hope nobody in T1 is getting wiped by portal bombs still.

Second part: No joke. Absolutely silly not having you abilities fire.

GekoHayate.2451:

covenn.7165:

Israel.7056:

covenn.7165:

How many people did you kill since Friday and how many times did you die? That is how I rate success.

What a bizarre way of measuring success.

Given the way this game works, I find that using the scoreboard as a measure is the bizarre method. It rewards coverage and population rather than superior play.

Measuring success based on cap points and coverage in a game mode based on cap points and coverage is bizarre?

The point I was trying to make, since you missed it, is that the system is flawed. Matches aren’t won by superior play, they are won by who has the best around the clock population and coverage. I pride myself on playing better than my opposition, not on taking keeps while they are sleeping.

I am not sure how to make it any more clear to you. Hopefully you understand this.

Resonance.4216:

covenn.7165:

Resonance.4216:

Here you go superchamp, take a look at that. I’m betting you’re one of the dead ones.

Also if you could count how many kills I got, that’d be nice, i started recording just after we wiped 25+ JQ on that bridge, so add 25 to whatever number you come up with.

I am not even going to explain to you why that video is comical in light of your comment.

no no, you asked me what my K/D ratio is, I didn’t die once in that, and the bits that were removed were us running between fight points.

AM I SKILLED ENOUGH, MASTER ROSHI? PLEASE TELL ME, GREAT SENSEI.

You probably should just stop posting. You aren’t doing a very good job with what you are trying to do.

Heru.5427:

Everyone posting in this thread could do with watching this video: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/180776/Video_Guild_Wars_2s_programming_tricks_revealed.php
There are some misconceptions in some of the posts here.

Ding ding ding we have a winner.

You win the thread sir.

Resonance.4216:

Here you go superchamp, take a look at that. I’m betting you’re one of the dead ones.

Also if you could count how many kills I got, that’d be nice, i started recording just after we wiped 25+ JQ on that bridge, so add 25 to whatever number you come up with.

I am not even going to explain to you why that video is comical in light of your comment.

In answer though, no. Wrong guild tags in your video.

asperbianca.3196:

I would have been able to take the video a lot more serious if there wasn’t so much swearing. The profanity, to me, changed the video from ‘motivational’ to ‘comical’.

Who cares about the choice of words used. Pretty common.

Israel.7056:

I’ve got 40k WvW kills and god knows how many sPvP kills. I’ve died altogether on both toons a little over 1500 times in 1700 hours of play over 5 months. Am I good at this game?

Wow, that is a lot of deaths. Did half of them come from PvE when levelling up or doing dungeons or something??

Cakewalk.3620:

It’s like rolling over a group of 10 with 30. Big deal.

What about when you roll 30 with 10… or take out 60 with 20 …. or even 5 solo?

Israel.7056:

covenn.7165:

How many people did you kill since Friday and how many times did you die? That is how I rate success.

What a bizarre way of measuring success.

Given the way this game works, I find that using the scoreboard as a measure is the bizarre method. It rewards coverage and population rather than superior play.

I would like to say good fights to everyone so far this weekend!

Resonance.4216:

Yup, maybe if Indo and TW spent a little less time doing speeches and more time fighting, SoR wouldn’t be quite so poorly off this week.

How many people did you kill since Friday and how many times did you die? That is how I rate success.

JaredKincade.9761:

But we and every other BG guild in NA are stopping you in your tracks now, and you can’t stand it, so you lash out in public forums.

Not reality.

Jared I know that score is the most important thing to you in this game, but bragging about points against an enemy that could care less and would rather kill you instead is rather pointless.

Keep your points. I will keep my kills

Vodka.3958:

covenn.7165:

Vodka.3958:

We’re having an amazing time in T1! Have to give props to EMP in JQ, you guys are a very tough competition and it’s a pleasure going up against you.

So that is where they went, we were wondering after they left our zone. Regarding the rest, we have different perspectives and opinions….

Never mind they are back yay!

Lol they were in the same map as us… you probably didn’t notice since they were pushing us the whole time. It’s great to see you back again covenn, really missed you bud

Interesting comment as we have been fighting them all night.

You said you were in JQ tonight? Very interesting.

Vodka.3958:

We’re having an amazing time in T1! Have to give props to EMP in JQ, you guys are a very tough competition and it’s a pleasure going up against you.

So that is where they went, we were wondering after they left our zone. Regarding the rest, we have different perspectives and opinions….

Never mind they are back yay!

JaredKincade.9761:

We can schedule an open field Guild vs Guild. 30? 40? Lets say Wed or Thursday this week when queus back off and both sides can get their guild together?

There’s no rush though, we’ll be here awhile.

I remember asking you to do this when we were in T2 together and you refused. Glad you changed your mind. When you are ready to hit us up, shoot me a pm.

JaredKincade.9761:

Irish Cowboy.4153:

Fun fights on reset night at JQ borderlands. There was some tenacious groups from JQ and BG that wouldn’t give up on garrison, regardless of how many times they wiped. I sure hope SOR can get some coverage in our weak time zones, because our NA prime time doesn’t lose to anyone.

Give em hell SOR. We know our door vs Zerg won’t be enough to hold off BG and JQ during our off hours, but at least we can farm badges during NA prime.

If you keep saying it, maybe it will be true?

Same old arguments from 3 months ago. Have PPT lead in Tier 1 NA on a regular basis before you state SOR has the best NA.

Same old argument from you and same old assumption that we care about the score board. 3,000 kills before finally getting downed and losing my 25 stack tonight.

PPT? Score? I don’t care, it is not why I play the game.

Fizzlepip.5218:

Kitten. Which one am I missing? Warriors can enter but generally die soon after. Plus they can be killed while in Vengeance.

They don’t always die soon after…… and if the get up and through a portal where nobody is hitting them. Sure you can immobilize him like an ele Of course a downed ele doesn’t have the option of getting back him and kicking your kitten in either. Heh

Anyways, what happened to keeping this thread friendly? lol

Gab Superstar.4059:

covenn.7165:

Gab Superstar.4059:

2. WvW maps are of course handled on the same server.

Ok, you really don’t know what you are talking about if you think a single server, whether physical or logical, can handle all the WvW maps. No point in expending energy to discuss this with you.

All the WvW maps? That’s not at all what I said. I’m sure you know what I meant, but keep drawing kitten conclusions from my posts if you feel it will help your argument.

Given that you are trying to speak with authority on a subject where you obviously have no expertise, how else was I to take:

Gab Superstar.4059:

2. WvW maps are of course handled on the same server.

? especially in light of all of your other statements that were incorrect on many levels.

Fizzlepip.5218:

They should get stopped at the gate. Entering in the downed state is an advantage no other class shares without penalty.

This is not entirely true. You are forgetting the downstate ability of another class.