Guild Wars 2

Kytana.5079:

Vodka.3958:

Jahn.7019:

FOO is really the only skilled guild on JQ.

That’s not true at all, there are many “skilled guilds” on JQ and anyone that says otherwise obviously hasn’t played WvW enough. If these unskilled guilds on JQ are able to beat SoR’s NA primetime, then that show’s exactly the kind of skill the guilds in SoR have.

I knew I liked ICOA for a reason. Usually level headed not only on the forums but battlefield also.

/salute

You need to read the rest of his comments before posting imo. That was an outlier.

hex.3218:

Naw, you don’t send them yourself. But they always come when I argue with you. It’s just coincidence.

I am going to call you out on this because this sort of thing should be beneath you to fabricate. Are they pretending to be me too or do I just have an invisible knight in shining armor helping out the damsel in distress (me)?

Can you post a screenshot of your inbox? You can take it down after I see it.

hex.3218:

Someone else is a little angry, guessing by my messages. I never use that function on this forum. But every time I have a disagreement with a certain someone, my mail gets flooded with notices from above….

Hey, whatever….

For the record, he isn’t referring to me. We fight just fine without getting PMs involved.

hex.3218:

covenn.7165:

hex.3218:

He said they can put up a ‘decent’ fight. Come on. They kick most people’s butts. It’s like saying. TW is a decent sized guild. It’s disingenuous. Be fair about things for once.

I am confused. Do you mean that you believe TW is a big guild or a small one?

Decent sized.

Is your definition of decent sized the same as mine?

hex.3218:

He said they can put up a ‘decent’ fight. Come on. They kick most people’s butts. It’s like saying. TW is a decent sized guild. It’s disingenuous. Be fair about things for once.

I am confused. Do you mean that you believe TW is a big guild or a small one?

hex.3218:

You can’t even give SF props without a backhanded compliment.

How was that a backhanded compliment? He was saying that they are a good fight 99% of the time. The one off he was talking about was when they run joke setups for kicks. TW did the same thing with an all Necro night. Some people do naked W3 night too….

You are being a little defensive. Just relax.

Vodka.3958:

That’s not true at all, there are many “skilled guilds” on JQ and anyone that says otherwise obviously hasn’t played WvW enough. If these unskilled guilds on JQ are able to beat SoR’s NA primetime, then that show’s exactly the kind of skill the guilds in SoR have.

Maybe from your perspective they are ‘skilled’. Its ok that we have a grossly different perspective on the quality of opponents. I understand completely.

Also, who are these ‘unskilled’ JQ guilds you speak of and who are the SoR NA guilds? Any examples, or just hearsay from you? Given that you are in BG and not JQ/SoR, I can’t see how you have any specific or intimate knowledge of how fighting between the two servers plays out on a nightly basis.

Vodka.3958:

Considering that SoR only know’s how to run in 1 gigantic zergball of 80+, I can see how an SF team of 30 (or what you would consider 500 necros) could be tough for your server.

When he said 500 necros it wasn’t because it was tough to fight… lol.

You forgot to add in a 2v1 to your post to complete it.

Ljiona.9142:

This is kinda a poor example. No way you can think you wiped a zerg if you respawned 3 or 4 times. 9 times out of 10, when a guild sticks around your spawn point, they are messing around or just keeping you busy while something else is happening. This is an example of, they let you beat them.

I agree with everything but the poor example part. It wasn’t hypothetical, it was something that has happened more than once. Heh, you should see some of the whispers I get.

Anzu.5702:

Honestly sick and tired of this. t1 has become boring as hell. Just logged in and again as per every single night at this hour (gmt+8 10.30ish), the 1million man foo zerg is attacking sor gari. Same kitten different night.

Yeah, it is really rough for those of you who play during those hours. I am glad we have you giving it your best shot out there though. Honestly though, I would rather be in your situation than in FOOs. It has to be extremely boring fighting doors. Way more fun killing players.

Rawnoodles.1398:

Ascii.9726:

Boulderbolg.3460:

It is too bad FOO doesn’t play NA PST prime time. We would enjoy ganking their “1” spamming reinforcements as they scurry towards their zerg for protection.

Having recently GvG’d FoO during EU times with TW and Fear i can safely say they make every other guild in JQ look like novices in comparison, best fights I’ve had in months.

Only god knows what FoO would do to Blackgates “Guilds”

Clearly you haven’t checked out other JQ guild’s field strengths. Try fighting SF or perhaps EMP, we’re still undefeated against NA

I am curious, since you told ASCII to try fighting you, does this mean you are finally ready to fight TW? Or did you just not notice his signature line?

I am sincerely hoping that you are finally ready to fight TW as it would be for our mutual benefit. It will give us a much needed break from normal play and will allow you to finally erase your loss via forfeit to us. Maybe after, you can make your above claim again and actually have people believe it.

Kaleban.9834:

You can’t look at Ele skills in the vacuum of pure DPS. ESPECIALLY with Staff.

Why? Because from the outset, the Staff is built as a support weapon. Yes, some of our largest AoEs, but also most of our best combo fields.

I disagree with it being primary support. It is pretty balance between CC, support, and AoE damage.

Puandro.3245:

30/30/10/0/0 is the highest else dps spec while using staff or D/X.

Not really. You aren’t going to spike anyone down that isn’t wearing zerker gear like a noob anyways, and while you may have slightly higher initial dps, you are going to lose the total damage race very quickly.

eldain stenlund.4306:

Anyone have ideas how to make a Totaly Maximum healing set ??

I have no idea how to make it.. any ideas ?

There is no such thing. There aren’t enough healing abilities for you to act as a healer in any sense of the word. The elementalist class does not work by being locked down to a single role. It is designed to fluidly change between roles on the fly and regularly throughout a fight.

Asmodal.6489:

I dont think anyone i denying that staying in Fire will grant you the highest dps if specced for direct damage.

Oh I deny it whole completely. In fact, it is patently wrong. I will do more overall damage than someone staying in fire no matter how they spec.

Asglarek.8976:

Ps. Nerf ele escape abilities nobody should be able to travel(run away) that fast and far lol.

They aren’t the fastest anymore since the cool down on rtl was increased. Two other classes can move faster now and catch them, though it doesnt sound like yours is one of them :p. More balanced that way.

Boulderbolg.3460:

uberkingkong.8041:

Pvp.2758:

wish.3102:

I love how so many people cry about FOO and say they PVDoor…
Have you watched any of their videos or played when they do?
Let me help you out.

http://youtu.be/jRiVp266kS0
If this is your idea of PvDoor… how many people does the opposing team need?

oldephartte.4369:

Simple solution. Put a cap on the number of non-NA players allowed on any one NA server based on a +/- percentage of the total number of non-NA players on NA servers with the objective of fairly balancing the the population of non-NA players across all the NA servers to make game play more competitive 7/24.

As I recall from playing friday, JQ was winning when NA prime ended. This ‘solution’ of yours wouldnt let you win anyway. so lol

Most of those they outnumbered their opponent/were fighting unorganized forces. I’m not saying FoO isn’t a good guild, but don’t try to get them as much credit as you do…besides, look what happened in JQ BL today during asian primetime

Or maybe its because Foo is too organized. When they push, they push, they don’t think twice about doing so.

It is too bad FOO doesn’t play NA PST prime time. We would enjoy ganking their “1” spamming reinforcements as they scurry towards their zerg for protection.

Interesting that you have this opinion.

Me, I would like them to play prime time as well…. but only because they are a tougher fight than what we generally face during those hours save for an exception or two.

Churchill.8714:

oldephartte.4369:

Simple solution. Put a cap on the number of non-NA players allowed on any one NA server based on a +/- percentage of the total number of non-NA players on NA servers with the objective of fairly balancing the the population of non-NA players across all the NA servers to make game play more competitive 7/24.

This is the type of server AFS and OCX went to, lol.

I don’t have any opinion on the post you quoted. I do have an opinion about yours though. You are taking a single person’s post and trying to apply it as the opinion of everyone else on that server. That doesn’t work very well.

Raven Paradox.1860:

Everytime I’ve ran with Fear/TW/Hire/Choo, I hardly see wipes, and I follow their commanders daily. I’ve wiped JQ a hell of a lot more times than I’ve seen any of SoR get wiped. So, I’d like to see some decent evidence of you wiping SoR zergs.

I have been thinking about these comments as well. I think from the perspective of someone who doesn’t have good situational awareness could be skewed by things they don’t see.

For example, lets say we are in SoR BL and take/try to take the SE camp. It is right next to a spawn point and enemies can just keep flooding in. We may fight for a long time, but eventually attrition and infinite respawns will either kill you off or force you to withdraw. It doesn’t matter if you killed 150 people in that camp with 30 over time, if you don’t cleanly withdraw, our ‘zerg’ got ‘wiped’. Even if you do only lose a couple of people total and cleanly withdraw, your ‘zerg’ still got ‘wiped’ from the perspective of some.

hex.3218:

I was hoping when I asked you for a solid metric for a longer more sensible post in response. When all I got was the usual, I figured I’d write it myself.

You didn’t think my post was sensible? Interesting.

What you were trying to define itself is subjective. The only way to answer it is with objectivity.

hex.3218:

Remember folks, you can’t claim you are better than any other server at any other time because you are only one person and can’t see everything that happens everywhere on each map. PPT is a measure of population, except during prime hours, in which case PPT still doesn’t count because you don’t know which guilds managed to get past the queue faster.

Wins don’t mean anything.

Neither does reset night or the weekend. Nor weekdays NA prime.

Frappsing a battle means nothing either because it’s a limited perspective. Same with 24 hour streaming. Same with GvG.

You can’t even say who zergs or fields what numbers because somewhere on one map, there might be a 5 man group you never encounter.

In fact, you cannot say anything about the quality of another server in WvW at all because there IS NO STRONG METRIC for it.

Only opinion.

And in most instances, our opinions of ourselves, our friends, our guilds and our servers are over-inflated and the opinion of others devalued.

Even an honest, self examined, realistic opinion is invalid because it is only an opinion based on one player’s experience.

As such, from henceforth, any poster who claims to now who is better shall receive a failing grade. Just type F and walk away from them.

That was a little over the top. Bored today?

Burl.9567:

TW/TWL doesn’t even have 50 active members let alone 50 people online at the same time between them.

Wasn’t our record 31-33 or so on patch night when a few people came back to check the culling change?

Wotah.2975:

It’s all about perception…

For others sure… for me, I have the guild roster which gives both the members and a count of the members we have online. Unless there is a known bug in both that and in the teamspeak display….

Churchill.8714:

Pointless and incorrectly aimed sarcasm

Your pictures would be funny if it was applicable. It just wasn’t

Gismor.8407:

I forgot to do this last night, got to busy hanging with friends after WvW.

I wanted to give a shoutout to SoR’s Tempest Wolves [TW] Guild (and firends) last night on SoR bl (About 5:30-6:30 p.m. server time) I was leading my [LW] guys, as well as our ally [LAW] and others in our militia. ‘Twas a lot of fun fighting you near north and south Hills. I remember how earlier on in the night, we were fighting at north Hills, and slowly kept losing our guys, but took y’all about 15 min to kill us all. xD.

Also way to have discipline and not pursue us when we tried baiting you back towards the bridge leading to Bluelake tower.

Lots of fun, looking forward to more engagements!

-Sir Tryce [LW]

I am not sure if I was there or not because I didnt get on until late, but it sounds like I might have missed a good fight!

/sal

muekung.2518:

Becuz ’’SSQ’’ is [SAHP] guild leader !

wait….. Her mesmer skill is powerful enough to spawn 25+ clones now !?

God, now I am really confused. lmfao

jojojoon.8607:

covenn.7165:

jojojoon.8607:

covenn.7165:

jojojoon.8607:

Grats on getting 300-400+ ppt for long stretches every day because neither of your opponents have the people to throw at your zerg. Seriously, you need to stop the nonsense posts.

So, were you on 24/7 on every borderland to know for a fact that both SOR and BG are constantly outmanned? Or was this just a nonsense post because you didn’t “see” what really happened during those time zones on both BG and SOR on every map.

sigh You really don’t understand the difference do you. Think about it a little more perhaps.

I never said anyone was out manned on every borderland. Your words, not mine …as you can clearly see above.

“because neither of your opponents have the people”

Right. You don’t understand how conceptually that isn’t the same. That is painfully clear. You are also pointing out how you took what I said, and decided it meant something else rather than taking it at face value. There is a difference between being outmanned on every borderland like you said, and not having enough people to combat an enemy force. I suspect you won’t see that though….

I guess this is our argument if we substitute “people” with “money.”

You: because neither of your opponents have money
Me: So, you mean they’re broke.
You: I never said they’re broke. I said they have no money.
Me: Ok.

Different quantities.

150 > 50

50 <> 0

Rawnoodles.1398:

Organized guilds running during NA time
SoR

• Choo: 40+
• TW/TWL 50+
• TSYM: 60+
• SHAP : 40+
• SSQ : 25+
• FEAR: 50+
• SIN: 20+
• CDS: 20+
• HIRE: 15+

TW doesn’t field anything even remotely close to 50. Like I said, at peak we are 15-25 people total each night. I think I would have much better perspective about that than you considering I know first hand. We don’t even have that many active players, even if you do throw in the recruit guild of people applying for membership. I do appreciate ou thinking we have 50 people though :p

I don’t think I have ever seen SSQ or SHAP tags to be honest. When do they play?

I would also like to point out from playing during some of these time slots in the past, pretty much everyone was in the same channel together, regardless of guild. Those same people are forced to bounce borderlands nonstop to do what they can because they are the entire force we have.

Will that change once all of AFS gets in? I hope so, because our non-NA crew is tenacious and deserve the help.

jojojoon.8607:

covenn.7165:

jojojoon.8607:

Grats on getting 300-400+ ppt for long stretches every day because neither of your opponents have the people to throw at your zerg. Seriously, you need to stop the nonsense posts.

So, were you on 24/7 on every borderland to know for a fact that both SOR and BG are constantly outmanned? Or was this just a nonsense post because you didn’t “see” what really happened during those time zones on both BG and SOR on every map.

sigh You really don’t understand the difference do you. Think about it a little more perhaps.

I never said anyone was out manned on every borderland. Your words, not mine …as you can clearly see above.

“because neither of your opponents have the people”

Right. You don’t understand how conceptually that isn’t the same. That is painfully clear. You are also pointing out how you took what I said, and decided it meant something else rather than taking it at face value. There is a difference between being outmanned on every borderland like you said, and not having enough people to combat an enemy force. I suspect you won’t see that though….

Rawnoodles.1398:

I agree that SoR has the best NA being because they house allot of strong organized guilds that run daily wvw. Jq’s NA guilds only field roughly 30 on average with the exception of SF/EMP- 50+ daily.

On top of that since JQ has such a strong player base in WvW , its hard when 1/2 of our maps are qued up with militia going against BG/SoR guild groups.

Who are our guilds besides Choo that fields a lot of numbers? I know we typically have between 15 and 25. Just wondering because I don’t get to see them much because we are responsible for different areas.

jojojoon.8607:

Grats on getting 300-400+ ppt for long stretches every day because neither of your opponents have the people to throw at your zerg. Seriously, you need to stop the nonsense posts.

So, were you on 24/7 on every borderland to know for a fact that both SOR and BG are constantly outmanned? Or was this just a nonsense post because you didn’t “see” what really happened during those time zones on both BG and SOR on every map.

sigh You really don’t understand the difference do you. Think about it a little more perhaps.

Also, I never said anyone was out manned on every borderland. Your words, not mine …as you can clearly see above.

Thanks Noodles. I honestly wasn’t expecting that from you.

At least it isn’t quite as silly as those people who can’t separate the opinions and statements of individuals from the whole.

You know… the people that post: One week BG said it is the best, and now BG said they dont have numbers, and now they say…. blah blah.

the people that can’t understand that individual opinions are not the opinions of everyone just because they share the same server.

hex.3218:

Covenn,

Give us a specific metric to measure who is best. We will accept any. Just give us one and stick to it.

Who is best at what? Specific measure of what… people’s opinions?

This is a silly thing to request because it is a matter of perception as well. My personal perspective is that SoR has the best NA presence because I haven’t lost a fight to equal or lesser numbers outside of a keep in months. Someone in a different guild, on a different borderland, and playing for lets say JQ might think they are the best because of what they see night to night.

Its like people complaining about being 2v1’d, who has the most zerg balls, or who runs the most …you know the arguments we keep seeing ad nauseum on the boards. Pointless, because it is all about perspective.

Burl.9567:

Cynillus.1642:

Good to see our enemies are playing a fair game.

http://i.imgur.com/rNUACh0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KNJboKl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LtVBO39.jpg

EMP is notorious for this. They have said, multiple times, that they do not view this as an exploit and that they view this as legit play. Can’t say I agree.

I have to say that is intentional exploiting as well. I find it very hard to believe that Anet intended for people to be rezzed through doors.

SFShinigami.2015:

300-400 ppt on weeknights vs uplevels, thats like being held back 2 years in elementary school and beating all your classmates in a race. Congrats.

Grats on getting 300-400+ ppt for long stretches every day because neither of your opponents have the people to throw at your zerg. Seriously, you need to stop the nonsense posts.

SFShinigami.2015:

You all keep telling each other SoR is “clearly” the best NA. I’ll go enjoy another reset night where JQ comes out in first at the end and then play alts all week because I like to have fun.

Biggest problem I have with reset night is the outcome in T1 depends on which server gets most of its commanders and guilds into the BLs. Anyone stuck on the outside may not get in for hours.

Anyone saying that this isn’t the biggest influence initially on reset is kidding themselves.

Edit: And don’t even make the attempt to imply you always come in first. Generally everyone is withing 1k points of each other and it flips back and forth all night. That is a fair assessment of the reality of the situation. What happens 5-6 hours after reset and people are logging of is a different story….

Polismassa.6740:

Jedbacca.6297:

Polismassa.6740:

Zagan.5287:

hey jed.. one guy from JQ wearing your tag was exploiting bay last night.

Did you manage to get a lock on the actual character, because the tag says little to nothing.

For example, I spotted this wonderful gentleman a few weeks ago on SoR:

OOOOOO Someone is playing our favorite game!!!! Well, next to GW2 survivormode at someone’s spawn camp.. I wish I knew what guild they were from, we love our troll tags We have Agg, Tsym, FEAR, Choo, and I think one more??? My fave is We don’t lose underwater [Agg]

Personal favorites of mine (on other people BTW, i haven’t gotten around to making any troll guilds yet):
[EMP] Rawnoodles has no Skills

[EMP] Number one open Field
and of course
[SF] Bag Force

Those are the few i’ve seen, keep ’em coming SoR, it really livens up a WvW session

Hahahaha…. classic.

My favorite is this one:

[EMP] Extra Moist Kittens

(it literally says kittens, that was not a forum substitution)

Polismassa.6740:

Zagan.5287:

hey jed.. one guy from JQ wearing your tag was exploiting bay last night.

Did you manage to get a lock on the actual character, because the tag says little to nothing.

For example, I spotted this wonderful gentleman a few weeks ago on SoR:

LOL at the guild name. No offense intended to SF, but that was kind of funny.

RevengeSeeker.7208:

In the end it it kind of reminds me of confused in pokemon from gen II, I use to have bitter berries on me like crazy because it was so annoying, you could gamble but really 1 turn was better than 4 turns of punching yourself in the face. Same thing all my builds for all my characters of some form of cleansing and I run with people who also have cleanses.

Umm really, a pokemon reference? Wow

Kimbald.2697:

How about this simple principle:

confusion should hit if you use ATTACKING skills… not when using non-damaging defensive skills.

Because let’s face it: if you do nothing for 5 to 8 seconds you still take a crapload of other damage.
Not to mention as an engineer I could easily put on a new stack of confusion on you from a different kit just after you remove the first.

See this is the kind of thing that is workable. Punishes people who don’t pay attention and yet gives a viable counter to people that do.

Even just keeping it from firing on dodge rolls, attunement(kit too? not sure if it does) switches, and heal slot abilities would be work.

swinsk.6410:

Don’t staff ele’s dish out massive dps using AOE’s from a fairly large range?

If you built your character to be this type of ele then you should not be roaming around solo or roaming period. You should be with a zerg where you can “pew pew” from the safety of a keep wall or something.

Yeah, we can spike heavy AOE damage by stacking our abilities in the right order so they land close to the same time. The ‘heavy’ part of that isn’t sustainable though because it requires attunement switching and using abilities on cool downs. Like most elementalist playing that class and weapon as designed, I rotate between spiking DPS and control/support.

Kill a bunch of people → CC a bunch of people → Kill a bunch of people → Remove a lot of conditions/heal → rinse/repeat in whatever order makes the most sense based off of cool downs and situation.

I know people hate being pidgeon-holed into 30 arcane, but I love the extra flexibility EA provides us in all of our weapon sets…. and I do use it to full effect. Thanks for the free blast finisher Anet !

Chaosky.5276:

covenn.7165:

You really aren’t seeing everything that is going on if this is your comment.

First you have to understand that this poster has been spamming this in numerous topics and people began with civility when responding. He initial response to this civility was namely aggressiveness and name calling. Then he followed it up by admitting that he doesn’t even play the class correctly with how it was designed.

Hopefully that clears it up for you, because I am not so sure why you are blindly defending him.

1. I haven’t seen any insults from him, am I missing something?

2. Anyway, I don’t think he doesn’t know how to use the staff effectively, but rather he refuses to do anything but straight DPS

3. (Unless civility was tossed out the window in a thread I’m not aware of, in which case I won’t defend him.)

1. Yes, it has happened in some of the places he is spamming. Moderation happens often in these forums for very little, so if you don’t readily see them now, chances are that’s what happened.

2. I have to disagree. Not switching attunement or even realizing that you have to switch attunement to even do something as simple as optimize damage supports what I said. You can’t complain about damage rightfully when you are not using all of your abilities to increase the output.

3. Yeah it was.

Confirmed it still happens as of last night.

Arkanfel.8403:

Ren.6351:

First time poking in this thread. I know there’s been a huge uproar about our moving to TC and I can only say we moved to just have some fights.

You want fights so you transfer to the largest, most active server in the tier? For most of the day (NA) TC’s zerg is so gigantic that you have to run from it.

It really ticks me off how TC was so gung-ho about “supporting” our recruitment efforts, yet look who is getting all the transfers. I have a sneaking suspicion that the days of a competitive T2 are rapidly nearing an end.

There are many of us in T1 who would be happy to trade you BG for TC. Wanna make a deal?

Personally, i don’t find a single reason to build around conditions as an ele. We don’t have enough ways to both put on conditions and maintain them to make it worth the effort.

Caffynated.5713:

“What are DD users affraid of ?”

Mostly condi engi/necro and having to stand in the middle of a mesmer’s shatter combo to attack them.

Things D/D eles are not afraid of: rainbows, unicorns and staff buffs.

A good mesmer really is it for me.

Cirax.9231:

covenn.7165:

LOL. I just noticed the typo.

Yeah staff is brutal if you run around alone with one. Though, even if I do, you can still generally get away if geared, slotted, and traited correctly …well providing an safety zone is in reasonable distance, like a tower, keep, or friendly zerg

I guess it is fair trade off because they don’t stand a chance against me when I have daggers out, and they always end up running away)

Hehe agreed – though I find you’re postponing the inevitable building tougher with staff, unless you’re near a safe zone like you mentioned. My philosophy with staff is: go glass or go home! Isn’t that the typical mage archetype the op was referring to? Sure you’ll die to anything that comes within a 1200 radius, but the damage is worth it, and survivability becomes much less of an issue when hiding behind the coattails of your big Norn guardian friend

Then whip out the d/d to get revenge on all those pesky thieves!

Definitely a fair trade off between weapon sets – staff could use some tweaks but imo it’s still a very good weapon.

I go across the board p/t/v but I slot Beryl’s in my accessory slots / back piece. My daggers are p/t/v but my staff more damage oriented. This lets me have the flexibility to hit hard while staying alive and not having to change gear to do something else (outside of my weapon).

I may reslot a trait or two (like endurance regen for AOE radius and/or Condition removal for Aura sharing) but only if I am going to be changing up for a length of time.

Cirax.9231:

Fuzzion.2504

Staff were designed for 3 thongs

It certainly feels like the only thing you’re wearing when using a staff, and you need the extra 2 pairs when you crap yourself after a thief jumps you :p

LOL. I just noticed the typo.

Yeah staff is brutal if you run around alone with one. Though, even if I do, you can still generally get away if geared, slotted, and traited correctly …well providing an safety zone is in reasonable distance, like a tower, keep, or friendly zerg

I guess it is fair trade off because they don’t stand a chance against me when I have daggers out, and they always end up running away)