Guild Wars 2

VOLKON.1290:

covenn.7165:

VOLKON.1290:

covenn.7165:

Kreen.3925:

Right now these tactics are one of the major reasons JQ is winning.

Where do the tictacs go during prime time? NA crew just bored from the huge lead FOO gets you?

Ah, look at you covenn, another one trying to cause a rift between FOO and the rest of JQ. Shameful tactic. Shameful indeed.

Rift? I don’t play in that time slot normally …and when I do, I enjoy fighting them. I don’t want them going anywhere.

What is shameful is you reading into something that wasn’t there and/or trying to use that to deflect the point I made, which was a very valid response to a very ignorant post made by someone else.

Ah, nice deflection deflecting the point by accusing me of deflecting. Well played!

I don’t play Rift either.

Well done. Referring to my use of ‘Rift’ as the game use of the ‘Rift’ instead of the reference to the ‘Rift’ you used to try and deflect my initial point.

A cup of deflection with a sprinkle of word play to make the confusion pie.

VOLKON.1290:

HUGE fight at Lake versus what looked like the entire TW zerg (with many others tossed in). More and more JQ players started removing the armor getting into the spirit of the guild night. I of course refrained from getting naked as we needed at least a modicum of seriousness on our side. Still, bags galore, huge battles… it was a blast. I couldn’t help but wonder, however, if those on the SoR side could tell our guys were naked or do we render in armor regardless?

TW zerg at peak last night was 22 according to our guild roster. Well our total playing, I am not sure how many we actually had out in WvW. Probably close to all of us I imagine.

I was at that farm session and couldn’t stop laughing at all the random naked people I saw in your hoard. Glad it was a fruitful bag session for everyone…. though the points were only coming in at a trickle. So many kills worth nothing or under 10 points. Guess it was due to all the naked people running back out from spawn, heh.

Asglarek.8976:

You would lose by 30-40k instead of 60-70k.

Wait, we lost by 70k? I don’t pay attention to the overall score much.

Jahn.7019:

Actually if you are an old school daoc’er, which from your posts it seems like you aren’t. You’d know Covenn is trying to get your NA riled up to give him some competition. I don’t think he cares what happens when he’s not on, but I’m pretty certain he’s said it a few posts back that he’s tired of straight farming JQ NA prime.

…then there is that too.

VOLKON.1290:

covenn.7165:

Kreen.3925:

Right now these tactics are one of the major reasons JQ is winning.

Where do the tictacs go during prime time? NA crew just bored from the huge lead FOO gets you?

Ah, look at you covenn, another one trying to cause a rift between FOO and the rest of JQ. Shameful tactic. Shameful indeed.

Rift? I don’t play in that time slot normally …and when I do, I enjoy fighting them. I don’t want them going anywhere.

What is shameful is you reading into something that wasn’t there and/or trying to use that to deflect the point I made, which was a very valid response to a very ignorant post made by someone else.

I love how their initial reaction to any game change that causes an uproar is to lock the post to keep people from commenting. They really need a PR person to advise them that doing things like that is not in their best interest.

OutspokenAardvark.9781:

I can tell you if BG were to move down and TC move up, your problem is only going to get worse because most of TC still hates SoR and I include myself in that group. I know I would take a third place week after week just to see how low I could keep SoR’s score.

See, this is an example of someone who jumped on the ‘being patronized’ bandwagon. Absolutely silly and sad at the same time. Did you actually ever read any of the initial posts that started the ‘drama’ and make any attempt to take them at face value, or did you just pay attention to the ultra sensitive poster or two from your server that invented drama where there should have been none?

Err… or were you one of the posters that caused that situation? It has been a while and I don’t recall who they were.

dwahvel.7356:

TC and SoR for the most part havn’t had bad blood between us. There was a couple of weeks in T2 where SoR got some transfers and beat TC easily (it was a 1v1 for the most part, SBI lost a bunch of guilds).
We had some SoR post that we understand what TC was going through (coverage wins) and we showed them some respect. This however backfired and a bunch of TC felt like we were “patronizing” them (we really were not), so some of these TC still hold a grudge on us.

Yeah that was really unfortunate because as one of the people that made such a post, I was being empathetic not patronizing.

Some people are just way too sensitive about things or are just overly defensive by nature and are incapable of taking things at face value. The truth is, that it was only one or two of these people on TC that started all the drama about ‘patronizing’ them and it snowballed into a mess. Sucks, because those posts by myself and others were coming from a good place.

Deadcell.9052:

I have the highest hopes for this every week, for BG and SoR to focus JQ down so they do not have a 30k point lead by the end of sunday night, but every week both servers fail. They both preach how they are in it to win it yet all they do is focus each other and let JQ run away with it week after week.

Sorry this isn’t reality, SoR doesn’t focus BG anymore than we focus JQ.

The 30-50k lead the generally have by the end of the week pretty much all comes from a single time slot that neither SoR or BG can match them in, even if we were to somehow put aside our differences and agree to 2v1 strictly them. (SoR won’t agree to that …but yeah).

All three servers are competitive with each other when we have equal numbers on. All three servers can run up the PPT at different times.
All three servers deserve to be in T1.

We have good fights and nonstop action. There is nothing to complain or whine about. At some point, the major guild in the time slot causing the run up in points is going to get bored with fighting skeleton crews and keep guards, and will seek out something more challenging be it another server or game…. (don’t get me wrong, I am not degrading this guild at all. imo they are one of the best JQ has to offer, unfortunately they just don’t have enough people to fight against).

Voicer.8239:

Im sure would not be for this absurd score we’re seeing all this weeks!

What absurd score?

350k – 120k – 100k is an absurd score.

240k – 200k – 180k really isnt.

fragnstein.3486:

SoR and BG need to constantly push JQ all week long if we want to have a closer score at weeks end

SoR tries to push JQ all week long. Unfortunately there is that pesky third enemy that keeps attacking our stuff.

scootshoot.6583:

Heh, I just deal with facts. I woke up to what was a close match for the first 10 hours on reset night to a 12k lead once the 4am shift took over. Are you denying this never happened?

Well maybe he is implying that BG and SoR don’t upgrade, siege up, repair, and make sure supply gets in. I think every SoR and BG player knows better though.

I wonder what would happen if FOO took a week off?

Kreen.3925:

Right now these tactics are one of the major reasons JQ is winning.

Where do the tictacs go during prime time? NA crew just bored from the huge lead FOO gets you?

Lalnuir.4957:

Rawnoodles.1398:

We will not GvG TW, but that doesn’t mean we don’t respect the work you guys display on the field and thus keeping the fights dynamic.

Amusing. Does your guild recruitment still claim you guys are undefeated in GvG against NA servers?

He made the claim in this thread actually.

Rawnoodles.1398:

We will not GvG TW, but that doesn’t mean we don’t respect the work you guys display on the field and thus keeping the fights dynamic.

You need to stop posting that you are undefeated then.

Avatar of Belle.9623:

If queues are really a problem to get your guild to together to play, I suggest transferring. One of the reasons why I am on a T8 server is because we have rarely have queues.

It’s all subjective.

Nobody should have to leave a community they have invested in just to be able to play the game. Silly suggestion, its not like everyone posting is a band wagoner that shifts servers every month.

Valik Shin.9027:

Only have to pay extra in USA if the person worked more than 40hrs in a week. Doesn’t matter what days it is

Doesn’t apply to salaried employees. Anyone that can fix something that goes wrong at this level is going to be salary. We get paid the same whether we work 30 hours a week or 60.

LetoII.3782:

I, personally am a bit overwhelmed to share a tag with such a legendary figure in MMOs as is Covenn.

Too funny Letoll… I upset someone enough 10 years ago that they did this:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Covenn

Paul.2745:

And I didn’t have much fun. How gear dependent is the PvP in this game, because I literally just melted while doing barely any damage to the enemy. Very lame, because I expected something better than World of Warcraft PvP.

The gear is extremely easy to get. It is your fault that you didn’t do so when there are several methods available. Two of which don’t even require that you go into W3 first.

Why didn’t you bother to do that first? I would expect to get rolled if I ran around with random drops.

Hmm, maybe I should run round in white drops and complain about how gear dependent PvE is.

Ghedoriah.4290:

(1) For those of you wondering why not Saturday, you also need to remember that reset isn’t a completely automated process. Someone has to be there and ANet are unlikely to want to pull in members of their WvW team on a Saturday just to get the reset done. Honestly, out of the options available, this is the best solution at this time.

(2)For those of you who say that this will mean that you cannot play WvW at reset because queues will now prevent you from getting on… that’s kinda your own fault. ANet gave you months to settle on a world that you wouldn’t have that issue on and for worlds to realise that stacking themselves wasn’t a good idea.

(1) If they can’t manage to make this an automated process, that is their problem. It should be a repeatable task that doesn’t require any human interaction unless something goes wrong. It happens each and every week the same exact way.

(2) Again with the nonsense about it being ‘kinda your fault’ that there are queues. There were no queues on my server until we climbed the ranks. It is not my ‘fault’ that ANET didn’t shut off free transfers for so long and allowed people to easily transfer in. You propose I leave behind friends, guild members, and community ….stupid.

lordkrall.7241:

covenn.7165:

The difference is in being able to play or not that evening due to queue times. On many servers, if you aren’t online at reset, you aren’t playing that evening.

And currently in Europe most players would not be able to play at all at reset, since it was in the middle of the night and most of us actually sleeps.

Did you read my posts before spouting off?

Why are you making this into a NA vs. Euro thing? Wouldn’t the best solution be to have separate reset times for each region? Fighting with each other is beyond stupid when we all should be demanding ANET to resolve this in a manner that allows both locations to have optimal reset times.

Ghedoriah.4290:

For those of you who say that this will mean that you cannot play WvW at reset because queues will now prevent you from getting on… that’s kinda your own fault.

Selfish and ignorant post. How is it anyone’s fault that the game can’t support the amount of people that want to play it? We have three hour queue times on reset night. I am curious as to how you are going to spin that as being ‘my fault’. Do you propose I transfer off the server and community I have invested time and effort into, leaving behind friends, guild mates, etc. ? Absolute nonsense.

Great White Panda.8469:

Why is this such a huge deal?

The difference is in being able to play or not that evening due to queue times. On many servers, if you aren’t online at reset, you aren’t playing that evening.

Also, why the heck are some of you Euro players trying to turn this into a “us” vs “them” issue with the NA players? Just because NA players are complaining about the change doesn’t mean they want you to continue being screwed by the reset times.

All of us should be directing our complaints to ANET instead of to each other.

It shouldn’t be that freaking hard to have separate reset times unless they literally have a monkey manually doing it every week and on’t want to wear him out. If that is the case, then they need to seriously reevaluate this process and work to improve it.

As it stands now, this change shifts the problem away from one group into the laps of another. It is a garbage solution for everyone.

Scarlet, you don’t understand. If you aren’t on at reset spamming when the zones open back up, you aren’t playing that evening period due to queues. This time change basically means that people with school, jobs, families, etc. in half the North America times zones will be completely unable to play on reset night.

The solution is to separate Euro and NA resets prior to making any changes. That away both groups can have reset times that work best for them.

Blitz.3627:

skullmount.1758:

I just don’t get why they can’t. They are completely different set of servers, which probably also means completely different databases, which means they should be able to split it.

Since the Trading Post is global and both the NA and EU servers use the same sets of login and authentication servers, it is obvious that they are not completely different databases and therefore it should be easy to understand the issue.

How would the databases being separate or the same influence anything? Pure silliness.

Claudia De Anar.6304:

We are a Squishy Class we are expected to play back liners and we should have a decent Ranged Weapon. It really should not be too much to ask; especially as it is the Iconic weapon of our class.

Who says staff is the iconic weapon of our class? Who says staff is supposed to work how ‘you’ want it to? ANET designed the staff very specifically this way because it is how they want staff to work… and work it does, quite well. (a couple of minor tweaks like projectile speed increase is needed though).

Also, we absolutely are not a squishy class. If you think then it is due to the armor you are wearing and the utility slots you are equipping… or both. Elementalists can stand toe to toe with any class in the game.

vanensang.1389:

Well … I’m sorry, I know ArenaNet calls themselves “gamers” who develope a game which they really want to play. But … Well. Forcing the player’s playstyle by his/her weaponchoice ain’t right.

Except that is ‘exactly’ how it was designed. Maybe a few people are playing the wrong class …or game? Asking to change how staff is designed to fit someone’s preconceived notion on how ‘they’ think it should work is stupid.

So yeah, I think I should be able to throw my daggers and hit people 1200 away with them like a ninja. It is stupid that all we have are close quarters abilities with them. I want them to work my way…..

dot dot dot dot…….

Wotah.2975:

There isn’t even a pay phone around any more.

Exactly why I used it.

Ardon.4105:

There’s a horrible place on blackgate reserved for people who agree with covenn, but I have to ask. What is the secret to JQ, or any of the other formerly number one NA server’s success, if not coverage?

Don’t waste your time Ardon. He doesn’t even understand the difference between stating a fact and making a complaint about something. I am sure he would tell me I was QQing if I said the earth revolves around the sun too. There is not much of a point in rationalizing with someone like that.

Korbaal.6402:

QQ’ing about coverage ‘again’.

I was stating something that was common knowledge, not complaining about it.

Please insert another quarter and try again.

We were ticking away at 340 at one point last night prime time, but it is always competitive with JQ during that time. Having the same amount of people out in W3 makes for much better action.

Just look at reset night… back and forth and all three servers within 800 points of each other by the time prime time started winding down. I wish it was like that every single day 24-7.

I actually feel kind of bad for FOO because they don’t have the equal numbers to fight that the NA population enjoys. It has to get kind of boring for them at times. Kudos to them for continuing to bring the pain daily, despite that.

Korbaal.6402:

Talk as much kitten as you like, The score tells a different story.

Scoreboard posturing went out of style months ago. Anyone with a clue knows that the weekly score is mostly due to who has the best 24-7 coverage.

Please insert another quarter and try again.

jojojoon.8607:

TWL is TW but just with a different tag. To even think they’re different is just trying to deceive the “real” number.

Why are you are so angry and bitter? This is a game, please try to relax and stop taking things so seriously. You are also completely wrong with this statement.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Will TW be sharing their humble pie? Or will EMP be eating a can of buthurt? Find out on the next episode of Indo Vs Noodles!

If only Indo posted here.

Rawnoodles.1398:

Subsequently stating, we being with 1:2 ratios meaning we had 1 of every 2. In layman’s terms.

Learn your ratios.

I thought you had typoed it or just didn’t understand ratios. Guess I was wrong and blatant fabrication is the call.

Of course, there is always the option to settle this with equal numbers in a controlled environment. I believe you stood us up 3 times now, but you still have the opportunity to make it right.

jojojoon.8607:

So we have a confirmation that TW is 20 strong every night right?

We had 24 on last night at peak. I have a nice screenshot at home of our guild window open and the mega twin EMP zergball on screen at the same time.

Rawnoodles.1398:

Great fights tonight against the TW/TWL/TSYM mega zerg on SoR!

We will break your numbers with 2:1 ratios, just you wait and see.

EMP Team

Sadly you didn’t even put up a fight with equal numbers. I was hoping for more from you since you are undefeated in north america. I can’t speak for Tysm as they were doing their own thing, but you did put up a decent fight the couple of times we hit you with just TW plus some extras. Sad that it took us fighting your super mega zerg with 30 or less to make a fight out of it.

jojojoon.8607:

covenn.7165:

jojojoon.8607:

To summarize, that screenshot is an indication that EMP from JQ is at least trying to not always run in 80+ zergballs unlike some server which will skill lag everyone to death.

Not really, they were still running together. Nice try though. I enjoyed fighting them this evening, glad they had that many.

So you like running 80+ zergball to skill lag everyone to death?

How could you possibly get that from what I posted? Kind of out in left field with that one friend

Truth is that I am not afforded the opportunity to run in an 80 man zerg ball because we have to divide forces to deal with being hit by both servers at the same time. Its the price you pay for playing in your home BL.

jojojoon.8607:

To summarize, that screenshot is an indication that EMP from JQ is at least trying to not always run in 80+ zergballs unlike some server which will skill lag everyone to death.

Not really, they were still running together. Nice try though. I enjoyed fighting them this evening, glad they had that many.

Nuvo.5014:

Thundar.3910:

EMP doesn’t zerg-ball they DOUBLE SUPER ULTRA ZERG-BALL!!

Those are like 20 name tag at each grp. At max 30.

You better count again. There are over a dozen not even in the zerg balls. lol

Nuked.2360:

Agreed and supported oh and waiting to be infracted for quoting a post that is probably going to be infracted :P

My inbox has 25 messages or so today just from that. lol

Claudia De Anar.6304:

Some of you really need to play some of the older fantasy games. Daggers were one of the few weapons that mages were allowed to use. That and staff/fists/conjured weapons.

Also, the staff isn’t currently a “hardcore underdog” spec. It is made for groups/zergs. You have stun/chill/cripple fields and good aoe attacks as well as good heals.

I would not know, as another Mage pointed out above if all a Staff is good for is Group AOE. in WvW, then the Devs have not done their jobs or justice by the Iconic weapn of our Class, every Mage should have the option to Equip Staff.

Elementalists do not adhere to the classic ‘mage’ in other games at all. I am pretty sure this is intended, heh, as ANET did design them this way. The biggest problem I see is when people have a hard time accepting this and refuse to play the class as designed. The original poster is an example of that. Rather than play the class the way it was intended to be played, he would rather make repeated requests to change the entire class around the way ‘he’ thinks it ‘should’ work.

The same can be said for people’s preconceived notions about how they think a weapon ‘should’ work rather than how it ‘does’. Staff and Daggers are great, but I would agree with people that want to boost focus and scepter.

The devs did a great job with this class because it is actually fun to play and requires you to leverage attunement and ability cool downs while switching between roles multiple times in a fight. There is nothing wrong with the class as long as you stop trying to make it into something it isn’t.

I have no problems with them running D/D. The better ones make me sweat a bit though.

I wouldn’t know about staff. I don’t solo or small man with that weapon out.

Yeah, we have someone that is probably past General now. I don’t play enough to be even remotely close to that :p

Jedbacca.6297:

Mr. and/or Mrs. Moderator, this may be the wrong spot for this, but without being able to target the individuals in question, we are unable to report as you say so. We have been forced, as gamers, to take these situations up ourselves. We try to clean our own communities with our own initiative. No member from any server would want to be associated with said activities. Everyone strives for legit gaming and to at least have a positive lime light around them.

Until you guys supply us with a better means to report people, we will be forced to report these matters to each others’ communities in order to keep things the cleanest as possible on our own ends. We only do this because we do not possess an in game mechanic that can properly do this in certain instances. You will have to forgive the 3 communities you have here for making things known as public and making individuals walk the walk of shame to the best of our ability to show that we as gamers will not tolerate such activities within our gaming experience. This, all being in the fairness of a legit win/play vs another team/server.

Great post. Perhaps you should start a thread about it directed at the new W3 coordinator.

Can we get a score update?

covenn.7165:

hex.3218:

covenn.7165:

hex.3218:

Naw, you don’t send them yourself. But they always come when I argue with you. It’s just coincidence.

I am going to call you out on this because this sort of thing should be beneath you to fabricate. Are they pretending to be me too or do I just have an invisible knight in shining armor helping out the damsel in distress (me)?

Can you post a screenshot of your inbox? You can take it down after I see it.

We are not allowed to discuss those who shall not be named, lest I get even MORE PMs and a vacation for a week.

Ok, send me a personal message then. I will give you my email address and you can send me the screenshot.

Please tell me you aren’t making this up, because it will ruin my opinion of you

Edit: Though in retrospect, I am a little put off that you do not believe this sort of thing is beneath me to do.

One more thing (self quoting so you don’t miss it) …

You dodged my question. You can answer that freely on the boards without violating any rules. This question:

Are they pretending to be me too or do I just have an invisible knight in shining armor helping out the damsel in distress (me)?

Anyways… I await your PM with baited breath. This is the only account I have, so I am looking forward to seeing who my knight in shining armor is.

hex.3218:

It’s probably a good thing. Then I get to email debate them for the week.

You are lucky you even get a response. I never do.

hex.3218:

covenn.7165:

hex.3218:

Naw, you don’t send them yourself. But they always come when I argue with you. It’s just coincidence.

I am going to call you out on this because this sort of thing should be beneath you to fabricate. Are they pretending to be me too or do I just have an invisible knight in shining armor helping out the damsel in distress (me)?

Can you post a screenshot of your inbox? You can take it down after I see it.

We are not allowed to discuss those who shall not be named, lest I get even MORE PMs and a vacation for a week.

Ok, send me a personal message then. I will give you my email address and you can send me the screenshot.

Please tell me you aren’t making this up, because it will ruin my opinion of you

Edit: Though in retrospect, I am a little put off that you do not believe this sort of thing is beneath me to do.