Guild Wars 2

hex.3218:

covenn.7165:

hex.3218:

Nah it was sarcasm generated by the belief that one should not keep moving the target for the measure of success.

Interesting.

So who specifically is moving the target?

Please tell me that you aren’t making the classic mistake of thinking that people cannot have different opinions on things, and are instead trying to apply individual opinions to a group of people as a whole? Your sarcasm seems to indicate that you are.

I am not sure I get you…

I’ll explain for my part and see how this goes.

First, SoR said it was weekends that counted. Then it became NA Prime. Now, it’s ‘NA Prime when I’m on.’

First it was PPT at the competative times, then PPT NA Prime, then PPT didn’t matter and was a function of population.

Blah blah blah

You could have simply saved yourself a lot of posting by responding with a simple “Yes” to this:

Please tell me that you aren’t making the classic mistake of thinking that people cannot have different opinions on things, and are instead trying to apply individual opinions to a group of people as a whole? Your sarcasm seems to indicate that you are.

No worries, I don’t hold it against you at all. It is a pretty common internet mistake that people make. Just let this be a lesson for you about the follies revolving around trying to attribute individual views to a collective.

hex.3218:

Nah it was sarcasm generated by the belief that one should not keep moving the target for the measure of success.

Interesting.

So who specifically is moving the target?

Please tell me that you aren’t making the classic mistake of thinking that people cannot have different opinions on things, and are instead trying to apply individual opinions to a group of people as a whole? Your sarcasm seems to indicate that you are.

I am pretty certain almost every ele out there would be happy if swirling winds was nerfed even though it currently is the only reason to ever use a focus.

Sanxxx.5126:

…and the best bit is the OP probably believes it all

Nah it was sarcasm that was generated by the belief that one should stress about that which they cannot control.

Tarin Twisted.4183:

covenn.7165:

Vash.9183:

SoR strategy: Get everyone in all 4 maps into 1 voice chat channel, form 1 zerg, and basically… zerg. how2win?

Who would that ever work? Do you even play the game enough to realize how fail that would be to leave nobody in the other three maps?

Seriously, everyone gets rolled by superior numbers. It happens, whether it is 40 being rolled by 70 or 1 being rolled by 10. Nothing to complain about repeatedly and aggressively on the forums. It is part of the game.

LOL two posts up you are complaining about getting 10 v 1’d…
If people wanna run around solo than I am sure most expect to get rolled over by larger groups once in a while.

Experienced solo players rarely get caught in situations where 10 people can roll up on them and them not be able to get away, but sometimes it is unavoidable.

Just sayin…

I know it is the internet and all, but my 10v1 sarcasm is response to the post you mentioned was completely obvious. In other words, this post of yours is completely irrelevant.

Go back and reread what I was responding to and try again. Here is a hint: I was not really complaining about being 10v1’d.

Thing I love about skill lag is how it works. I can spam auto attack, but my heal won’t fire…. as an example.

Vash.9183:

SoR strategy: Get everyone in all 4 maps into 1 voice chat channel, form 1 zerg, and basically… zerg. how2win?

Who would that ever work? Do you even play the game enough to realize how fail that would be to leave nobody in the other three maps?

Seriously, everyone gets rolled by superior numbers. It happens, whether it is 40 being rolled by 70 or 1 being rolled by 10. Nothing to complain about repeatedly and aggressively on the forums. It is part of the game.

Thiefz.3695:

Looks like BG just wiped out that 5k they were down. Will SoR meet the challenge? Will they be able to maintain second place or will Beastgate overwhelm them in the race to the finish? The answers to these questions will be found on Friday. Excelsior true believers!

As long as it isn’t their NA primetime crew doing wiping out the lead, I am more than satisfied as it is the only period of time I can influence.

Talentless.5708:

engaging on a personal mission to shame people who talk a lot but play bad. Sorry if you personally should be left out of that evaluation.

Every day that zerging is not insulted or even complimented further brings gw2 down the path of bad pvp.

Where you in that 10 person SF zerg that mowed me down when I was soloing? I wish you would stop doing that and start running solo. It isn’t overly challenging to zerg down someone 10v1.

GekoHayate.2451:

covenn.7165:

This is why I find people complaining about the disrespect aimed towards EMP so amusing. Seriously, what world do you people live in where breaking commitments and wasting people’s time is acceptable and respectful behavior?

It’s as respectful as (TW) trolling them on the forums. It looks like neither side handled this well.

Generally there are repercussions for actions. I would venture to say that what you pointed out in your post is the end result.

Honestly, I find their claims of being disrespected by TW extremely hypocritical when it was they who cast the first stone (well three of them to be exact).

Vodka.3958:

covenn.7165:

Vodka.3958:

Blackgate beat SoR for 11 weeks straight when they were in T2… Now that Blackgate is in T1 with SoR, they’ve beaten them again for 2 more weeks which makes the record 13-0. Of course there is going to be quite a bit of animosity from SoR

If anything, posts like this are the reason for the animosity.

Lucky for you that the score isn’t determined by NA only. Anyways, it is common knowledge that score is determined more by coverage than anything else and is nothing brag worthy.

Lol well sorry for telling the truth

Unfortunately, unless you start telling the entire truth bound by reality, your comments are much better described as works of fiction. Partial truth and embellishment is pointless.

Anyone can embellish

SFShinigami.2015:

The problem is, earned or unearned, theres a level of mistrust going around towards SoR tags when it comes to this kind of thing. It doesn’t help that shortly after this, FEAR showed up again and again to try and ruin peoples fun.

Jed, the sad truth is that you are claiming to mistrust an entire server based on the actions of one guild you disagree with. At the same time, you are throwing support behind a guild that has actually earned mistrust by breaking commitments repeatedly. If find this shortsighted, unfair, and hypocritical.

Vodka.3958:

Blackgate beat SoR for 11 weeks straight when they were in T2… Now that Blackgate is in T1 with SoR, they’ve beaten them again for 2 more weeks which makes the record 13-0. Of course there is going to be quite a bit of animosity from SoR

If anything, posts like this are the reason for the animosity.

Lucky for you that the score isn’t determined by NA only. Anyways, it is common knowledge that score is determined more by coverage than anything else and is nothing brag worthy.

Aurust.8961:

No no, im pretty sure ur QQ’ing about 2v1……

I have to say that I agree with you completely.

tkalamba.2541:

Sardonia.8196:

covenn.7165:

When this culling patch comes out, with or without the other W3 changes, there is going to be a huge influx of people on every server that will log in to check it out. I am curious as how that will effect all the matchups.

Culling may be fixed, which is a good thing, I have a feeling though that lag will just get worse. I have a fairly supped up rig and it gets quite laggy in large battles. I hope something is done with regards to that as well but we shall see i guess

This is what i’m worried about the most. Culling will be gone, but lag will persist.

Hopefully not. Maybe they actually recoded a few things from the ground up to actually make it efficient. Wishful thinking …I know.

Nuffmeister.4379:

I remember being on Yak’s Bend the last time SoR was in that lower tier and seeing a massive influx of transfers to their server ingame whilst on the forums they pretty much denied / downplayed it.

Yet here they are in tier 1.

Apparently since guilds only transfer if they get paid, how much have SoR had to shell out for their current numbers of guilds, or JQ for that matter?

Seriously, give the whole “server x paid for their transfers” thing a rest.

I am responding to you a little out of context given you were responding to someone else. Anyways….

I transferred over when SoR was 17th from JQ which was #1 or #2 at the time. I wanted both a challenge and the ability to play with my guild mates instead of sitting in 3 hour queues every night. The biggest influx to SoR from other sources came around that time as well. Myself and others didn’t choose SoR because it was pwning face (it wasn’t then), we chose SoR because of the story behind the server and its extremely loyal community.

It is only natural for people to have a bad taste in their mouth when guilds bandwagon from losing servers to winning servers. Even more true when it happens within tier as has been known to occur once in a while. I think this is an understandable and natural reaction.

Ideally, it would be nice if we all could have equal coverage at all times of the day to ensure competitiveness. Unfortunately, this just isn’t reality with the way this game is setup. Personally though, I wouldn’t be one to bandwagon to a winning server, I would be the person transferring to the underdog. More action and more people to kill when you are always fighting uphill.

Genesis Notch.1905:

muekung.2518:

Ty for EMP and DeathChainsaw for the fun in SoR BL.

We are still having fun on SoR BL!

I am amazed with how organized SAHP has become, as compared to the old days on SBI. And the SoR zerg is surely immense!

There is a SoR zerg right now? Really?!

Awesome.

When this culling patch comes out, with or without the other W3 changes, there is going to be a huge influx of people on every server that will log in to check it out. I am curious as how that will effect all the matchups.

Burl.9567:

Vash.9183:

I know people are going to call QQ, but SoR is to blame for the lack of good fights from BG this week. We only have 1 guild on in BG at this point and they are fighting a large JQ zerg in EBG. Our ppt is ranging from 85-105. While we’re duking it out with JQ and basically all the BL maps are completely silent and have plenty of points to capture, SoR decides to bring their zerg of about 80+ members to attack us at the same time.This is only one out of many instances.

I know I’d say “QQ” if someone else was saying this, but if you want a reason for the lack of effort this week, it’s because Choo & co. are griefing our players when there is already enough stress on our ppt. Not surprised you guys have such a bad reputation.

The post quality from BG has really degraded this week. I’m not sure if it has to do with the score of the current matchup or what. So much 2v1 talk. It’s rather sad actually. I know on the SoR BL we focus JQ so much that they usually leave the map and go outmanned. BG is usually helping us out with that as well.

This is how I see it as well.

On topic though, I agree that TC has the best reputation hands down.

Sometimes people “run” from a 1v1 because they are trying to get somewhere to defend. Sometimes the “run” from 1v1’s because there is no point in fighting someone.

For example, I almost always have to disengage thieves because the generally just stealth off when losing. It is to the point now, that I don’t even bother giving them any action at all unless I am bored. They can’t kill me anyways, so I ignore them.

Same thing with bunker ele’s and guardians, once I find out that they are bunkers…. I just disengage rather than spending 20 minutes fighting someone that doesn’t have remotely close to the damage needed to kill me.

Scumbag Mawile.6384:

fivekiller.1432:

For NA, Tarnished Coast hands down.

They have been in crazy extended matchups where they have been green for weeks and red for weeks with some of the trolliest forum warrioringest servers in the game and have for the most part stayed positive and amicable through it all.

So they’re no fun?

Seriously dough, I’m pretty sure the majority of said trolliest forum warriors only do so for fun, not spite. If people are offended of it, they need to remember they’re playing, not living.

You get a big +1 from me for this post. I am glad you get it.

Raynor.1973:

Oh look, the old “It’s always a 2v1 because there’s 3 servers!” ad hominem.

That is not an example of ad hominem.

Unfortunately, that prevented me from reading the rest of your post.

Ninja edit.

jojojoon.8607:

Now, if you want further proof of your claim being false. Here is another chest thumping post from your members calling out every guild on most of the NA servers who have not GvG TW yet

I have seen you say this several times without citing a single source. Given that I have read every post in this thread, would you be so kind as to cite a source for this statement? I haven’t seen what you are describing.

Edit: The person you quoted is in TW? You sure about that? lmao

jojojoon.8607:

The last match, TW was like 30min to 1 hour late for the match if I recall, and they had to cancel it.

This was an excuse someone gave that did not reflect reality. Nobody was late for anything.

Murderin.8269:

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

Looks like T1 and T2 are the best choice based on score, any players from those servers have an opinion on how sporadic the population is?

T1 reality:

JQ pretty much has a force 24-7 with the rare exception of a timezone or two where they have temporarily lost the will to fight.

BG has the second best coverage, but not enough to manage the JQ hoards.

SoR is the underdog here due to lack of population during non NA hours. They do have a very dedicated guilds that play in non NA hours that do the best they can, but are always fighting uphill against superior numbers.

If you want constant actions and fights, and play at any time other than NA primetime ….SoR is a good choice. If play during NA, it looks like BG could use the help then because they are the bottom rung at prime time.

Raynor.1973:

Murderin.8269:

Looks like T1 and T2 are the best choice based on score, any players from those servers have an opinion on how sporadic the population is?

Blackgate player here. T1 is kind of imbalanced right now. JQ has a HUGE American primetime population, whereas BG has a much larger Oceanic presence. SoR is making things worse by turning T1 into a 2v1 against BG out of spite until Kaineng inevitably overtakes them in rating, thus turning T1 into a mess of indignant raging for now. Once Kaineng overtakes SoR, T1 will be absolutely golden.

Ignore this guy. Look at his post history and you will see that the only thing he posts about is how angry he is that he is getting 2v1’d in a game designed around ensuring every server gets 2v1’d. He doesn’t understand how the game works and is angry, so should be disregarded.

He also doesn’t understand glicko judging by his last line of rant and rage.

Raynor.1973:

Got to love uneducated opinions.

First off, T1 has been a 2v1 against Blackgate since we got there, seeing as SoR still have pent up aggression toward us for maplocking them repeatedly in T2 during the BGvsSoRvsIoJ match.

Call someone’s opinion uneducated, then proceed to complain about 2v1 in a game designed around each and every server being 2v1’d.

Classic.

jojojoon.8607:

Notice that from this quote, it’s not even about EMP. You have trashed every guild from almost all NA servers who have not fought with TW in a GvG by calling them out and essentially saying that they’re scared and chickening out in a fight with TW. Do you even know for a fact that’s the reason? No, you don’t. It’s uncalled for. It’s being disrespectful to other guilds. Now, do you understand why I said if you want respect, you need to give respect.

Unfortunately you are confused about what respect is.

Do you think it is respectful to make an agreement and commitment to someone, then wait until the very last second to cancel on them? This did not just happen once, it happened three times. When you do something like this, you are undeniably showing a complete and total lack of respect for other people and their time.

I know first hand that TW had people rearranging lives and schedules outside of the game so they could be there for the fight, only to show up at the scheduled time to find out that EMP cancelled yet again. That is the absolute epitome of disrespect, because time is a limited resource for many people.

This is why I find people complaining about the disrespect aimed towards EMP so amusing. Seriously, what world do you people live in where breaking commitments and wasting people’s time is acceptable and respectful behavior?

Rawnoodles.1398:

covenn.7165:

Coldviper.6794:

EMP refuses to GvG TW during primetime with the reason given that the score was too close.

Currently doing one against BG, AGG guild, during primetime, only down 9k, with the current lowest PPT.

Suspicious.

Not really. The outcome in a TW vs EMP fight is pretty much predetermined. If I was them, i would find every reason to avoid fighting TW too.

We refuse to work with guilds that create so much hostility and harassment.

Unfortunately, the only hostility was due to you setting up and cancelling fights at the very last minute three different times. There was no ill will with your guild from TW up until the point and time you completely disrespected everyone that made time to attend the scheduled event with you.

You have a pretty good GvG record, so I am not sure why you kept cancelling and making excuses. It is too bad, really.

Coldviper.6794:

EMP refuses to GvG TW during primetime with the reason given that the score was too close.

Currently doing one against BG, AGG guild, during primetime, only down 9k, with the current lowest PPT.

Suspicious.

Not really. The outcome in a TW vs EMP fight is pretty much predetermined. If I was them, i would find every reason to avoid fighting TW too.

Rawnoodles.1398:

EMP vs Agg

• Begining in 20 mintes
• Check the stream! up and running Twitch
• 20v20

I thought you didn’t do GvG’s

Esoteric.5490:

So, I figured out why everyone is so high on “GvG”. Certain guilds will never fight on their own in the field because of their [perceived] lack of skill and would rather form a murder ball of 80 people to justify that they are “good” at WvW. The desire for GvG comes from the fact that it is the only way to have a balanced fight since you will never see certain guilds outside of their native habitat of the mega-zerg.

Grow a pair a fight under your own guild’s name. I encourage no one to give “props” to anything these super zergs do while in the field. They are abusing a game mechanic and there is nothing to congratulate there.

Why are you so upset? More importantly, who are you so upset with? I have yet to see an 80 man zerg when I am online, so some details instead of vague references would be useful.

Good fights everyone so far this week. Can we all please tone down the anger a little? Thanks

Spurnshadow.3678:

Well, I haven’t seen any specific numbers with regards to all the monies raised for transfers. I’m a very defensive person and I’ll probably get a lot of crap from my guild leader about saying anything, as we usually try to stay off the forum drama, but I just can’t help it.

So, all of the NA guilds that transferred here have paid for themselves. The Oceanics, needed a little help. All of the WvW players donated some gold freely of their own accord. What we have raised and spent is enough to transfer @40 people over, give or take depending on that days gem price. If you look at a guild the size of MERC, for example, which i think has about 400-500 members, that is helping 10% or less of them transfer.

That’s it.

That’s all.

Even the guilds that needed help farmed their kitten off to help out their own guld mates. There has not been thousands of gold spent/bought/gifts/bribes. This has all been done out of the spirit of generosity to help some of the poorer members out so they could be with their fellow guildies.

KnT, Blackgate

Helping someone is not the same as bribing them. I think we can all agree on that.

GekoHayate.2451:

I fault you for telling the rest of us playing the game type as intended that points are irrelevent, and that k/d is the de facto success meter.

Who said that you are playing wrong?

If you are referring to me, you are grossly off base with this comment. Saying that ‘I’ play for different reasons is not the same thing as ‘you are playing wrong’. Saying that ‘I’ think the game design is flawed, is not saying that you are wrong for playing that way.

Who also said that k/d is the de facto success meter? Wouldn’t winning fights be a better success measure than k/d ? I would rather die 10x and win a fight than die 0 times and lose.

If that wasn’t aimed towards me, who was it aimed at?

tkalamba.2541:

Resonance.4216:

joocheese.6314:

Beldar.6234:

Grats Joocheese!

Saphaire Everburn – FoE – Blackgate

Thanks!
Looking forward to getting back in the fight. I’m itching to kill me some BG! sorry, killed enough JQ to last me for a couple days. Miss killing BG since we were both in tier 2.

Before the trolls start coming out of their caves, all of this is in jest… it is both an honor and a pleasure to be fighting the two best servers in NA

Well your ppt is +75, so you should probably get in there eventually.

Most of us are still at work…

Work, gym, and family time = 3-5 more hours before I can even consider it.

Resonance.4216:

Burl.9567:

Resonance.4216:

covenn.7165:

chest thumpers

This essay, whilst well written, scores 0 marks because you didn’t answer the question.

I think its safe to say he thinks you are a terrible ele. He was just being nice.

“I measure success only by K/D ratio” said he.

Apparently he was lying, or left off the bit where he says “except when I don’t”

XD see you in game.

At least that explains the video you posted of horrible elementalist play. You were trying to make a point that even by not dying, you can still be horrible. Unfortunately, that was not my argument or my view point. Try reading the entire conversation again and see if you can get what I was actually saying.

GekoHayate.2451:

covenn.7165:

GekoHayate.2451:

covenn.7165:

Israel.7056:

covenn.7165:

How many people did you kill since Friday and how many times did you die? That is how I rate success.

What a bizarre way of measuring success.

Given the way this game works, I find that using the scoreboard as a measure is the bizarre method. It rewards coverage and population rather than superior play.

Measuring success based on cap points and coverage in a game mode based on cap points and coverage is bizarre?

The point I was trying to make, since you missed it, is that the system is flawed. Matches aren’t won by superior play, they are won by who has the best around the clock population and coverage. I pride myself on playing better than my opposition, not on taking keeps while they are sleeping.

I am not sure how to make it any more clear to you. Hopefully you understand this.

And my point, which you also missed is that WvW is and always will be (for the forseeable future) a 24/7 Territory battle. Population, coverage, and effective use of the two (which is where the skill is) are and should be the deciding factors.

That is the nature of the game type.

dot dot dot….

I didn’t miss your point, in fact you quoted me responding to it. Please try and keep up with the conversation and make relevant responses.

Burl.9567:

Resonance.4216:

covenn.7165:

chest thumpers

This essay, whilst well written, scores 0 marks because you didn’t answer the question.

I think its safe to say he thinks you are a terrible ele. He was just being nice.

Well I did spend quite bit of time there trying to help him. Maybe I was being too nice.

Resonance.4216:

covenn.7165:

chest thumpers

This essay, whilst well written, scores 0 marks because you didn’t answer the question.

My answer was quite obvious.

Razor.6392:

earth should bleed and cripple

No, that would take away the only current use of this glyph. I would rather have the blind working just the way it is than to get yet another cripple.

drwookie.6391:

Definitely more fun this week than last week.

Yeah for sure, it is nice to have BG back to fight. I hate what happened to SoS, but the two sided fighting last week was getting tiresome.

drwookie.6391:

But I guess maybe when we lose our lead overnight it’s because we lack skillz. That’s probably right.

SoR has been getting told this very same thing for quite a long time.

Thesilentflute.8761:

Kaineng gave us a better fight in T2. I don’t think you guys belong here In T1. Shape up or ship out. Cause Kainengs coming up next to knock down your doors.

edit: spelling

Start winning fights before you make a comment like that.

Resonance.4216:

covenn.7165:

Resonance.4216:

Here you go superchamp, take a look at that. I’m betting you’re one of the dead ones.

Also if you could count how many kills I got, that’d be nice, i started recording just after we wiped 25+ JQ on that bridge, so add 25 to whatever number you come up with.

I am not even going to explain to you why that video is comical in light of your comment.

no no, you asked me what my K/D ratio is, I didn’t die once in that, and the bits that were removed were us running between fight points.

AM I SKILLED ENOUGH, MASTER ROSHI? PLEASE TELL ME, GREAT SENSEI.

Ok, so about your video. Even though I think you were being highly sarcastic and rude to me, I am going to do my best to help you with a few things. Hopefully you won’t get too upset and see that I am trying to help you become a better elementalist.

Here is my sensei advice:

1. Rebind 6-10 if you need to, because clicking with your mouse is grossly inefficient. If you follow what I said in an early post, this will also keep you from mouse turning so much as it too is horribly inefficient.

2. Try switching attunements more often and utilizing other abilities. From what I can tell from the video, you are severely handicapping your effectiveness. Spamming earth 1 for example is horribly inefficient in all circumstances across the board.

3. Looks like you need to calm down a bit too in fights. I quite literally saw you spam 2,3,4,5 all at once several times. The time that prompted me to make note of it, you spammed ice spike, ice field, and both heal fields at the same time. 4 distinctly different abilities that need to be used with a little more care.

4. You can switch attunement with the FGS out. Not only that, you should for the attunement switching buffs/abilities providing you are traited for them of course. One example, depending on how you are traited, you can heal when you switch to water, and then dodge roll for another condition removal/heal.

5. You are using a very inefficient heal slot ability for someone using staff. Trying using http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ether_Renewal . The cool down + condition removal + the fact that you prefer to play ranged with staff make it a no brainer.

6. Firing and moving. More time than I can count in the video you aren’t hitting people, CCing, or doing anything while moving. The vast majority of your abilities while using staff can be used on the move. You are drastically cutting down your effectiveness when you don’t do this.

7. Condition removal. Ele’s are one of the best classes in the game for removing them when specced and traited correctly. It pained me to see you get slowly downed by a single burn with a cantrip up. Take a look at slotting regen on cantrip and condition removal on regen……

8. Food food food and oil. You need to start using them. Everyone you are fighting is going to have an advantage over you and the food is not the expensive compared to what you can make in W3 now.

9. Earth 5. You know how that works right? Why were you firing it off with nobody in front of you?

10. I don’t believe I saw you use the single most powerful ability a staff ele has even one time……

Lastly, please don’t post a video beating up on GSCH. They are good people and should absolutely be off the target list of any chest thumpers.

Willywho.9460:

We never got demolished in T1, We lost, but we always fought hard.

See, I understand what you are saying and agree with the philosophy behind it. There are those, however, that believe the only important thing is the scoreboard and by their standard, you did indeed get demolished. To each their own I guess. I would rather play with people like you though that don’t worry about meaningless scores.

Irony.5203:

If I’ve never played the game I wonder how I got full gear, map completion and over 500 hours of gameplay

What is the reward for map completion? I think it would have to be a legendary for me to even consider stepping outside of WvW to do it. Err, or were you referring to just the WvW maps? I have that as well, but more by accident than design.

You know what delights me? Finding a group of enemies stacked up on one another underwater near a wall, say in Bay for example.