Guild Wars 2

Vodka.3958:

Blackgate isn’t a sinking ship; SoR just turned into an overly stacked server.

How did we get stacked? Kind of funny because you don’t even know what is going on, yet are complaining about it.

I suppose I could use the line you did in the past and simply say you aren’t putting enough effort into building your community.

Vodka.3958:

Actually we have way less numbers than SoR & JQ do now. But look at how close Blackgate comes to competing with these two overly stacked servers.

Nice spin, but I guess you are in full blown damage control mode now. I get it.

SoR has gained about 30 people total since getting into T1. We will be gaining more this week, but it hasn’t happened yet. Kind of funny to see the complaint about stacking coming from a BG player though, even if I do know what you are up too.

Vodka.3958:

We’re the underdog that will never give up.

Look on the bright side, you may be the underdog, but at least it isn’t due to lack of population. All of the problems you have can be fixed without recruitment.

suganuga.1439:

I completely agree with you, it’s just sad to see JQ and SOR try so hard to double team BG to actually achieve something.

I disagree. You were nonstop double teaming us all night on reset. Does JQ and BG have some sort of super top secret blood pact to destroy SoR?

Silliness.

Lalnuir.4957:

This is of course just my opinion. Not a personal attack at you or anything. It’s obvious you guys had fun and that is great. I just don’t really see the point in posting the video in this thread i guess.

Honestly, I can just as easily ask what exactly is the point of posting anything on this thread period? Why the unneeded criticism?

Wow, I am impressed at you all in T2 this week. Extremely close!

eldain stenlund.4306:

(i smell a DD user, defending his op specc).

Staff is terrible and need a fix. period.

I am going to ignore the rest of your ranting because it is quite difficult to read and just not worth my time until you stop being so angry.

Unfortunately, judging by your comments, you seem to be one of those elementalists that seem to think using a single weapon set is the best way to play the game. Personally, I view this mindset the exact same way I do those that believe staying in a single attunement is the way you should play.

I use Staff, D/D, and once in a while D/F… though I prefer to pretend that I don’t have a focus most of the time (and I am praying for a swirl nerf so I can salvage it). The only thing I don’t use is scepter because I find it inferior to other weapon choices in any situation I find myself in.

I absolutely love my staff and I absolutely destroy people with it. However, in a 1v1 or small man situation, I will have daggers out because they are superior in that situation. I don’t try to make my daggers work in big fights anymore than I try to make my staff work in 1v1 fights. I use the best tool for the job.

You can complain and attack people for having a different opinion than you if it makes you feel better. Me? I absolutely pwn with my staff. No crying about it from me. There is a reason we we regularly wipe 2-3x our number in big fights. It is myself and a couple of our other ele’s using our staves to control the battlefield with AE CC, AE damage, and AE condition removal.

Drae.3189:

Everyone feels the double team. Its a three way fight. The last few weeks has seen SoR and JQ concentrating on BG more than they concentrate on each other. It was the best tactic.

Except you are wrong.

SoR doesn’t discriminate in who it takes points from. I am been saying for weeks that we should just leave JQ alone and fight BG only, but I keep getting denied in our server meetings. It isn’t even about points in regards to me wanting to attack BG only. It is about the whining in the forum that will follow.

Just remember that proc on crit and weapon swap sigils share cool downs.

If you don’t use all elements regularly, frequently, and competently …and don’t learn and understand how they work together, then you will never be a good elementalist in any situation.

Muppet.6485:

Change strafe to A and D, use your mouse for turning.
Then bind utilities to Q E and R, to auto run just hold both mouse buttons or rebind somewhere else

I’d also suggest using Control and 1-4 for attunements. Better control than having to go below your movement keys. Faster reactions. Better rotations. Better play.

This… but alt 1-4 is a better choice for attunement swapping because it is easier to do in the heat of things without contorting your hand so much (on a keyboard)

Q/E/R/F/C – The util slots, heal, and elite

I use middle mouse button to toggle autorun. Mouse 4 to assist with and Mouse 5 to dodge roll.

There is nothing wrong with staff period. The only argument that can really be made is that the projectiles move quicker (like fireball for example) to target and/or that some abilities do damage on cast instead of the delay (lava for example).

Any other ‘problems’ with staff is due more to the 5 target limit of AoE than anything else. Sure you can’t viably solo with a staff, but staff isn’t meant to be a solo weapon.

Miiaah.5416:

SoR plays it just like JQ played in Jan. when BG went to T1, They sat in their defenses, poked/ probed at BG and waited for the Oceanic/Sea times and took all of BGs goodies but still not touching SoS for days on end. Maps split perfectly down the middle all week long

Sorry, but you are blatantly wrong. I am not sure I understand why you are so bitter and angry, but you really need to get a different perspective on the issue and take a look at the entire picture.

All night every night we are bouncing back and forth between fighting JQ and BG. Its like the two of you are playing ping pong and SOR is the ball. Ask yourself this: Why do I have this perspective?

Israel.7056:

Their strategy has clearly been effective. They are the clear second for now.

The meta will have to change once SoR starts playing for first. Both BG and JQ will be working to take points away from SoR.

You make no sense. We always play to win and we always play for first.

I could just as easily accuse BG of playing for second because you constantly hit our objectives, forcing us to stop fighting JQ to come and deal with you. It would be quite legitimate… of course it is only a small part of the bigger picture.

Perspective, try getting some.

Miiaah.5416:

My guess is there are people on BG that would be delighted if they drop to a tier where everyone fights for 1st with smaller non lagging groups spread across all maps and one server not petrified of attacking the #1 (coverage) server

Everyone in T1 fights for first place unless you were speaking for your own server. Given how hard we are hit day in and out by JQ and BG, I can’t see how anyone can complain about anyone else not playing to win.

Seriously, the schtick is getting old.

KeeZee.7312:

How long has SoR been in Tier 1?
How many times have they been in first?

Nuff said.

Not really, if you understand how this game works.

Actually where did Vodka go? I recall him or someone else in Icoa saying that they would fight any guild at any time an will take on all challengers.

Consider yourself challenged.

So, since there is pretty much no way any server can catch another before reset …..who wants to GvG tonight? Pretty sure we would be up for any all challengers.

kuora.5402:

20v20 arena would actually be wonderful, especially in an instanced zone. Much less lag or FPS drops, actual scoring system and such.

I do have to applaud EMP for organizing all these GvGs, it’s not necessarily easy work.

As long as it isn’t objective based and more of a guild duel system.

It would be cool to have an actual system for that which affects server score, including things like issuing challenges and such. Where you declining costs you more than losing. Maybe then we can get a fight with EMP

Orikx.9671:

Tyaen.5148:

I did see a GvG video from that area that was interesting because they moved into the orchard. That would make for some interesting LoS issues. Players would have to make some quick adjustments in that situation.

The thing that is funny to me is all the prep work. Even numbers determining the field etc… I think the player base should ask for 20v20 arena s or tPvP. If the demand is there one would think they’d implement it.

Now that I think sounds cool. I guess I was just assuming that they had to stay in a small area. If you are free to move round more then that could make it interesting.

Yeah. This would also almost force spectators out of the action too and give them incentive to watch streams instead.

Rawnoodles.1398:

Its crazy what a guild can do given the situation. With controlled variables like timed pushes, equal numbers and a specified field, you really start to think intuitively with your class builds,combos, routing and those results can be displayed by which guild comes out on top with each match point.

Flanking, envelopment, dispersion….. no room though.

kuora.5402:

The more important thing than an ‘open’ field is that you must not interfere (or try not to) with the actual WvW affair. As far as I know there is noting objectively important at the south of south camp.

You mean besides the fact that it is a Supply Camp, that gives supply to the two towers and is worth points?

Why not go to one of the northern areas that isn’t on top of a supply camp (or anywhere else for that matter) that is in an actual open field area. As long as you do it it one of the guild’s involved home BL’s it should remain free of interference.

kuora.5402:

FEAR, at the moment I do not think any of my WvW acquaintances respect them as an enemy. Mainly because- you know. Forum behaviours and things.

Sounds like you have a personal problem with them that keeps bleeding over into other things. Anyways, what does FEAR have to do with responding to me? lol

kuora.5402:

Looks like making up stories and using culling as an excuse is the trend until next week. Thanks I might be using it sometimes.

I was trying to give you a way out…..

Rawnoodles.1398:

It’s the best thing that works. Closest to all spawn locations, easy to rally to and away from all major point objectives.

Many top contending GvG guilds in EU run on the same field format.

I have watched a couple of your duels. As long as it takes between rounds, you could typically run the length of a zone and back. There are other places in the BL maps that offer more open space that are equally far away from major point objectives.

In fact, moving away from the two spawn points might make it easier for you to duel without interference. Anyone that does interfere is going to have a long run back.

Oh… and who cares what EU is doing, it doesn’t make it the best choice.

WoDan.4079:

Oh? I think he is.

Then you really need to look up the definition of the word and how/when to apply it.

kuora.5402:

2. There are many reasons why a guild leaves the map. It’s generally not because they are defeated by SoR superzerg over and over. They enjoy fighting x3 their numbers and still seeing that SoR struggles.

Last time someone made a comment like this in this very thread, I counted 52 bags on the ground after the fight that prompted the post and our supply info showed only 27 people for our super duper gigantic mega zerg.

Something doesn’t compute.

Who knows, maybe perceptions get skewed by culling. You know …only being able to see 30 friendlies when there are actually 60.

kuora.5402:

covenn.7165:

kuora.5402:

No need for the 7 points.

1. Fear got their collective bum handed to them while trying to be a kitten.

You worked together with enemies and bystanders to kill someone interrupting a duel (between guilds in this case). This has been going on for at least a decade as I can personally remember such things dating back to the early days of DAOC.

Grats.

Government corruption and civil wars has been going on in Somalia for over 3 decades. It should continue on because it has been.

Grats.

As I pointed out, defending duels has been going on forever. Does your response mean that you think it was wrong of EMP and friends to do so? I can’t see how it is applicable any other way.

kuora.5402:

1. You, one person, does not thing GvG is fun.

2. If it really is a rockpaper game, why are there scores like 5:0, 7:1… etc? And why do those winning guild dominate open field in the real WvW?

3. Basically this video’s point is to laugh at FEAR.

I numbered the things I want to respond to in your disjointed post for easy reference:

1. Actually you misunderstood him, he didn’t say that he didn’t like GvG. He doesn’t like the location because it is too narrow and doesn’t allow for tactics much outside of smashing your faces together. In fact, his response would imply that he likes GvG.

2. This is blatantly false. Case in point, at least one of those guilds (and I wont mention who to avoid any defamation of them) gets rolled each and every night, to the point they generally leave the zone after a while when we are there.

3. Are you saying the Noodles was trolling by posting that video? Can you clarify?

Orikx.9671:

I can’t for the life of me figure out why people think GvG’s can be fun in the closed narrow space that is always used. It allows for zero tactics, just smash our faces into each other and hope our selection of classes is the Paper to their Rock selection of classes.

I could not agree more.

kuora.5402:

No need for the 7 points.

1. Fear got their collective bum handed to them while trying to be a kitten.

You worked together with enemies and bystanders to kill someone interrupting a duel (between guilds in this case). This has been going on for at least a decade as I can personally remember such things dating back to the early days of DAOC.

Grats.

WoDan.4079:

Irony where are you? We need you here man.

You can summon Irony, but he isn’t applicable here.

Tyaen.5148:

I think the correct interpretation is [FEAR] thought they were going to have easy targets while people were trying to GvG.

I was making observations not interpretations.

I know not what they thought or felt, and it would be foolish of me to make any assumptions about that.

Wotah.2975:

Obviously my posts are irrelevant to you, it doesn’t fit your mold or idealistic view of your server. So I must say that it is natural talent.

Your posts weren’t irrelevant due to the nonsense you just posted, they were irrelevant strictly due to inapplicability.

Rawnoodles.1398:

Fear quality

Recap for those who can’t watch videos in the office:

1. EMP vs AGG in a GvG at prime time while BG is last in points.
2. EMP rolls AGG at what appears to be the SoR borderland.
3. FEAR rolls into the area and attacks.
4. EMP, AGG, what appears to be SF, as well as bystanders (really hard to tell due to all the stupid culling going on)… join together and fight them.
5. People get killed on bother sides.
6. Looks like FEAR is got overwhelmed and is forced to withdraw
7. EMP stands around patting themselves on the back.

I think that is accurate, but it is so hard to tell with all the culling.

Wotah.2975:

Wait, who’s the one that’s angry? I mean you did state you logged in, saw people pve’ing and logged out. Sorry you missed out on the fun.

So in your mind, if someone chooses not to PvE, they are angry? What an amazingly silly and shortsighted thing to say.

I did stay online long enough to do my daily as I posted previously. You need to pay more attention.

So long and thanks for all the fish.

Wotah.2975:

covenn.7165:

Rawnoodles.1398:

covenn.7165:

Rawnoodles.1398:

EMP having fun tonight! Loving the competition! Over 80 of us flipped + 12 keeps in the past 2 hours!

JQqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq~

Looked like you had quite a few tussles with FEAR while I was online seeing if our guild was going to do something besides PvE last night (edit: and while I completed dailies so I could log off). How did that turn out for you?

Why did you guys leave after we wiped you with even numbers?

What do you mean ‘we’?

My guild wasn’t even out last night in WvW, save for one or two in different zones.

Were you not paying attention to what I posted or did you willfully choose to ignore it?

Edit: I guess I can see where you may have misunderstood it if you didnt read the other posts. I made it a little more clear for you. To reiterate, the guild I am in did not WvW last night, we were PvEing. (unless of course they did after I logged, of course I wouldnt know that…. in which case, your question to me was just as pointless)

It’s funny I have pictures of TW and TWL more than a few trying to take Bay. And there was a little Asuran in white clothes with a commander tag from TW. You may want to ask your guild again because they obviously left you out.

Edit: It wasn’t your usual size and was definitely a mob of pugs, but they were still out.

Judging by the veiled cheap shot, I have to ask if you are you angry or something? I guess maybe you didn’t read my post? Here, let me point out some highlights for you since you seem to need it:

My guild wasn’t even out last night in WvW, save for one or two in different zones.

Special translation just for you: We had some people out in different zones, but they were doing their own thing. i.e. we weren’t organized or cohesive.

To reiterate, the guild I am in did not WvW last night, we were PvEing. (unless of course they did after I logged, of course I wouldnt know that…. in which case, your question to me was just as pointless)

Special translation just for you: When I was online, the guild that I am was doing PvE. I logged because I don’t do PvE. This means that I would be unaware of anything that went on after I logged out.

In other words, your veiled insult doesn’t even make any sense. I hope that I made it much more simple to understand.

Edit: Running a commander tag does not always means you you are a “commander” in the actual sense. Until they provide a way to tag for guild/group/whatever only, the dorito will serve multiple purposes.

Looks like the post I quoted was deleted before I posted.

See You Space Cowboy.

Rawnoodles.1398:

covenn.7165:

Rawnoodles.1398:

EMP having fun tonight! Loving the competition! Over 80 of us flipped + 12 keeps in the past 2 hours!

JQqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq~

Looked like you had quite a few tussles with FEAR while I was online seeing if our guild was going to do something besides PvE last night (edit: and while I completed dailies so I could log off). How did that turn out for you?

Why did you guys leave after we wiped you with even numbers?

What do you mean ‘we’?

My guild wasn’t even out last night in WvW, save for one or two in different zones.

Were you not paying attention to what I posted or did you willfully choose to ignore it?

Edit: I guess I can see where you may have misunderstood it if you didnt read the other posts. I made it a little more clear for you. To reiterate, the guild I am in did not WvW last night, we were PvEing. (unless of course they did after I logged, of course I wouldnt know that…. in which case, your question to me was just as pointless)

Rawnoodles.1398:

EMP having fun tonight! Loving the competition! Over 80 of us flipped + 12 keeps in the past 2 hours!

JQqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq~

Looked like you had quite a few tussles with FEAR while I was online seeing if my guild was going to do something besides PvE last night (edit: and while I completed dailies so I could log off). How did that turn out for you?

Edited to be more clear because apparently Noodles didn’t understand it.

Phoenix.7069:

JaredKincade.9761:

Pvp.2758:

pot.6805:

Rule 17 of WvW
When your server leads in PPT it is obviously skill. When your enemy leads in PPT, it is quantity over quality.

Gaining 15k points overnight while SoR has 0 players online is not skill.

Again, if I were a leader of HIRE or OCX I would vote to move my guild to another server after reading this.

You guys are so disrespectful to your own server mates who have to fight an uphill climb every night to hold onto what your NA has done. Instead of applauding it you discount them at every turn in order to bolster your own “primetime’s” reputation.

I think Blackgate has more respect for your overnight crews than you do.

No wonder you have little SEA and Oceanic coverage.

Stop trying to stir up drama, we love our NA and they love us

Well said, and absolutely the truth.

Polismassa.6740:

You know, if there’s one thing that this week has shown, it’s that EVERY SINGLE T1 server deserves to be here.

SoR: They showed this week that when they really push for points, they can make things a real pain in the rear end for both of the “stacked superservers” they play against. They brought the pain in a big way earlier this week, ticking at 300+ even when their population should have been practically a nonfactor during those time slots. I don’t know what happened, but when SoR said that they were “Playing the PPT game” earlier on, they meant it. I don’t know how people can still make comments about how SoR shouldn’t be in T1 or anything, that’s a load of bull.

BG: Aside from that very first week in T1, BG has been a consistent competitor in T1, and consistency is certainly something that we on JQ can admire. Even if you aren’t pushing to the limit and burning yourselves out, everyone on BG has something to offer PvP wise, and there are a lot of classy guilds on BG that are just straight up fun to fight.

JQ: well, i’m on JQ, so i’ll be a little bit biased, but i think that our record/score speaks for itself. Call it coverage, or whatever you like, but the fact remains that T1 is where JQ is, Has been, and probably will be for a long time.

Anyway, some seriously good fights. my play time has been relatively limited this week, so i’m only on in short little snippets, but there have been some pretty crazy shenanigans going on. Around 9:00 PM Central, JQ was pushing hard to get our garrison back, with trebs from both sides, and just as we were about to push in and hit Garri really hard, SoR ninja’d it right out from under our noses xD.

You should be the official PR rep for your guild.

Great post.

Fuzzion.2504:

So the end of the week is coming and everything is looking back to usual…Jq at 1, BG at 2 and SoR at 3 with Kain fast approaching to overtake the bottom server in T1.

You don’t understand glicko do you. Unless something drastic shakes up, SoR is gaining points over Kaineg this week. (and it might because apparently we are taking the rest of the matchup off, but it still won’t get to the point of being described as fast, heh)

MagiKarp.8201:

jq – weakest NA

Come now. It was already mentioned SoR was doing PvE or taking the night off long before you posted that. Knock it off.

If we want to be silly, I can show SS when I get home of JQ getting dominated in PPT during NA primetime while the match was still close.

Anyways, this is all pointless…. who cares.

Thundar.3910:

covenn.7165:

PvE night apparently on SoR save for Fear and a couple of others. I logged on, saw that people were PvEing, and promptly logged.

We had a good 5 day push, made some noise and rattled some feathers. Time to chill until next week, when everyone’s population explodes after the patch, those will be some interesting nights and days for all 3 servers. Expect queues friends!

Aside from the forum warrior free for all, we’ve had some really great nights of fighting this week! Big props to the SoR oceanics this week for stepping it up! well done.

So should I not log in tonight? I am sure the wife would appreciate me taking her out to dinner on a week night to break up the routine.

PvE night apparently on SoR save for Fear and a couple of others. I logged on, saw that people were PvEing, and promptly logged.

Mattargul.9235:

JaredKincade.9761:

(snip)

The point. You missed it.

And he missed all the people saying that we love our overnight crew because they are always fighting uphill battles against superior numbers and refuse to give up.

He is just trying to stir up drama. Ignore him.

hex.3218:

Which is your favorite map for WvW?

Any map where my opponents put up a fight and don’t give up.

hex.3218:

Plus, I have seen multiple (closer to 10) posters on more than 1 GW forum espousing the same ideas and changing them constantly to fit their arguement, and very few SoR posters even bothering to stick up for themselves and disavow these other posters.

I have seen different posters giving a wide range of opinions on various subjects. Why would you ever presume to attribute that to a whole, let alone claim that?

Also, bravo on the argumentum a silentio play you made there. I am sure nobody will notice it…..

SFShinigami.2015:

NA primetime for SoR is that sliver of time when all the JQ/BG NA people start going to bed and the SoR ones are still awake so they can zerg down keeps that are practically unmanned.

Ignoring your sarcasm, you do raise an interesting point…. when is NA prime time really?

As an east coaster I think it is 7-12pm eastern. Of course that is most likely wrong because it would end at 9pm pacific, which is early imo.