Guild Wars 2

WRod.3856:

*Fixed.

100 man SOR zergs vs 40 man BG/JQ zerg doesn’t equal to quality > quantity my friend.

You fixed it incorrectly and your perspective is quite skewed.

It is generally 20-30 of us fighting 60-80 man bg/JQ zergs from my perspective. So stop zerging already.

Talentless.5708:

see my comment about “internet accountability” Mr. Anon.

I am not anon and couldn’t be even if I wanted too

Nice attempt to deflect the truth of what I posted though.

Edit: I turned that frown upside down. I am like a freaking toys-r-us commercial.

Talentless.5708:

SORBL NA primetime. Only seen USA among a zerg camping north camp. I’m sure it wasnt you….

You need to stop being so predictable. This is the reason why you keep seeing ‘zergs’ there. I use that term lightly because your havoc squad is a ‘zerg’ to me when I am solo. We could have an entire discussion about the hypocrisy involved in complaining about zergs on the forums, while never hesitating to mow down soloers 5v1 …but I think it would be completely lost on some people.

Ooops side tracked…. back on topic. Rather than complaining about people showing up to stop a camp near a port from being taken, perhaps you should reflect upon your predictability and try actually being sneaky for a change. We know where you are and where you are going and it gets announced in our TS channel. It is on you to figure out how to work around that and no amount of complaining on the forum will change anything.

How does an engineeer die during the length of any stun that a d/d ele can throw at you? Also, we can’t ‘stun lock’ you unless that word means something different to you than the generally accepted definition. Are you uplevelled in green glass cannon gear or something?

dreztina.4820:

Heh, I check the forums after not playing for a while and elementalists here are still as clueless as ever. I ran glass d/d in spvp and wvw and it is 100% viable. Saying it only works vs. bad players is incorrect. In fact, I would go so far as to say that if you think that, you are the one who is bad.

Sorry dreztina, I have to disagree with you… though I suspect its due to your definition of ‘viable’ being different than mine. I don’t think anyone is suggesting that you can’t make it work. We all know you can burst noobs down extremely fast as a glass cannon d/d ele.

Whether you are solo, havocing, or zerging the simple fact that you are going to be fighting multiple opponents the vast majority of the time makes it a poor choice for numerous reasons. Over the length of a 5v5 fight, for example, against reasonably skilled opponents I will out damage any glass cannon ele every single time because they will be downed early and downed again immediately if someone gets them up. (I won’t even go on a rant about how getting killed screws your team over and how rallies can cost you fights on any scale….. )

For kittens sake, I can two/three shot a glass cannon ele myself and they can’t keep distance from me because I have the same tools …….

Well a stupid move lacking any thought like that would completely gut the elementalist class, not to mention many other class/weaponset combinations.

If anything, AoE needs to be uncapped at the current damage. It is underpowered in the current state of the game, at least in W3.

Kryyg.8576:

Well I meant population, was not insulting anyone’s skill.

Fair enough. I am sure you can see how I might have read it differently though.

Kryyg.8576:

All SoR has is NA really(admittedly the best atm though not enough to offset 3 other timezones) . While you guys have decent oceanic and decent asian. It’s nothing compared to what BG and JQ has now and what BG and JQ are going to have after KN transfers to BG.

Some advice: Get used to red SoR. Get used to red.

Well, I would say that ‘decent’ is the wrong word to use. You are confusing lack of numbers with ability. Our oceanic/sea players and guilds are awesome. You need to take in consideration what they are facing day to day…..

dwahvel.7356:

SoR does have havoc squads…….don’t know what ur talking about. Anyways I always found them boring since most of ur kills come from killing a solo person/duo. No skill involved just outnumbering ppl.

Between that and dodging zergs it does get boring at times. When we do have 3-5 and fight other similar sized groups though, it can be quite fun. I also enjoy the times we have take on 10+ with 5 without losing anyone. Actually I enjoy those the most, who am I kidding.

Anyways, I do find the entire holier-than-thou comments from people about zerging beyond stupid, because the very same people complaining about it never hesitate to run someone down when they outnumber them 5 to 1. The same old schtick gets tiresome.

Talentless.5708:

SOR = single zerg ball during NA prime… boring and easy to out-maneuver.
BG = camp/tower huggers united during NA prime.
JQ = boring.

WTB a tier with more than 1 havoc squad… since SOR has none and BG’s are fake.

Says the dude that has repeatedly ran me down with his havoc squad when I am solo. You can’t complain about zergs when you are zerging people down yourself. Must take a lot of skill to attack people when you have 5 to 1 odds.

Kript.3291:

let us assume that KN guilds are moving to SoR and BG…

SoR: continues to be the king of NA primetime

Actually, I think if we get any more NA people it might actually hurt SoR. We already have issues being able to get people in most maps on most nights. Any more, and there will be a cohesion loss and performance reduction (in my opinion of course).

MikeLittoris.9075:

CuddleStrike.8215:

Score Update my loves!

Look how awake my character is! Even though it is 5am here…..

cries
GO GO GO GO!

I’ve always loved seeing your amazing score updates!

Even more amazing is the fact that they have let you keep that account name. If it was me, I would have been perma banned for it. :p

urek mazino.4026:

Burl.9567:

urek mazino.4026:

pot.6805:

covenn.7165:

pot.6805:

So SoRs NA plays during SEA now? lol

Umm we do? Funny, most of my guild is logging off between 11-12 eastern.

Yeah you do.

SoR’s NA does play with the Asian crew sometimes, has been so for a while. Numbers vary
I thought someone has mentioned this before in matchup thread, maybe u missed it

Usually Sunday morning just to hang out with them and have some fun. I know of no extra effort put forth during the week though.

I’ve seen them maybe once or twice last week, but yeah its not often (not in numbers at least)

There was a couple TW and Fear on earlier, might have made that impression on pot
Was more of AFS pushing hard in EB with militia, good fun

Heh, it would be foolish of him (pot) to think that based off of guild tags. I am pretty sure nearly every guild has members that have different play schedules than the majority.

DKNS.2135:

Seeing how a certain server has a history of sending spies/sabotagers to the other two servers, can you blame us for making the guess ??

Blatant fabrication and kind of weak to imply this about SoR. What evidence do you have?

Edit: None. Hearsay and theories is all you have. You don’t see me running to the boards complaining about BG every time someone siege caps us, takes supply at critical moments, sneak into our TS, and/or orders the wrong upgrades in keeps (effectively hosing us for hours).

urek mazino.4026:

pot.6805:

covenn.7165:

pot.6805:

So SoRs NA plays during SEA now? lol

Umm we do? Funny, most of my guild is logging off between 11-12 eastern.

Yeah you do.

SoR’s NA does play with the Asian crew sometimes, has been so for a while. Numbers vary
I thought someone has mentioned this before in matchup thread, maybe u missed it

I play sunday morning with them too when I can, but he was making it seem like it is an everyday thing. That is what my response was about….

pot.6805:

So SoRs NA plays during SEA now? lol

Umm we do? Funny, most of my guild is logging off between 11-12 eastern.

I run full power/toughness/vitality gear and slot beryls in my accessories. I use the same for my daggers, but swap out a higher damage staff since the range adds survivability. I hit pretty much as hard as you can baseline with power, but I sacrifice some c/cd for a crap load more toughness and vitality compared to zerker gear. (With stacks, food, and auras I still have over 50% c/cd both) This means that I sustain my damage output longer and am immune to being brought down by another player’s burst. Overall, I will do more damage because I will not have to reset or heal up as often.

So compared to zerker gear, it might take an extra couple of abilities to drop someone. A sacrifice I make willingly because I will be alive and standing on my feet to drop damage into the next person after I kill the first. Dead people do 0 damage.

I love elementalists, half the other classes complain about how OP we are and half of the elementalists complain about how weak we are. Even if it is exaggerated due to how the class plays and learning curve, to me this is a sign of balance.

Mance.5640:

This is what I meant. And no, you guys did not have the lead the majority of the night. In fact you fell to as low as 135 ppt for a long while, only holding onto bay in bg bl and garrison on sor bl and some eb holdings.

See you in SoR BL !

We did the entire 4 hours I was online as I mentioned in my post, if you had both read and considered that before responding….

Muppet.6485:

You want them to be so busy wondering how to manage all your damage that they have no time to play too offensively.

Yeah this pretty much sums up your hopes of success when running GC. Hit them hard, and hope they freak out and run around like a noob until your finish them off instead of just two shotting you.

Calae.1738:

The other weapons are sub par that’s why. I would rather be a ranged caster too but have you looked at the Staff abilities? Ground targeting anything no matter how powerful is easily avoided by a moderately competent player.

Staff is extremely weak. 1v1

Fixed it for you by adding clarification. There is nothing wrong with staff in big fights… in fact, it is the go to weapon of choice in that situation.

Yeah, I would have map completion done too if I didn’t have to enter PvE to do it. I absolutely hate any and everything PvE related, so I just simply don’t do it. I supposed I could complain on the forums, but is is a waste of time.

Use movement, control, and superior coordination to beat them. You can easily and consistently beat much greater numbers via this method and it works far better than complaining in the forums.

Might work in PvE, but it is quite worthless in WvW.

15k health and no toughness is simply not viable in my opinion outside of PvE. Any halfway decent player is going to down you in seconds.

Actually, I think the scaling is horrible given what you sacrifice to obtain healing power. I played with quite a bit for a long time and haven’t looked back once since moving away from it.

draner.5213:

d/d eles, I’m a thief and I want to kill you, how do you suggest I go about this?

If we are specced and geared decently for 1v1 fights, you really can’t. It might be frustrating for you that an ele gets away from you or forces you to run away from him, but I can tell you without a doubt that it is equally frustrating for us…. you attack us at a time and place of your choosing, and if things go badly you can get away the vast majority of the time with no consequences due to stealth. Instead of stressing about it, it is just easier to accept it for what it is and then take joy on the few times someone sticks around to fight when they start to lose.

Hyo Jin.5630:

Didn’t mean to taunt, but obviously it’s insanely annoying to see all those Elementalist running with EXACTLY the same bunker/heal D/D OP build. Guys, seriously, aren’t you bored to play this way? (Never crosses an Elementalist with Staff, or maybe 1 – 2 times..)
Everytime I cross an Elementalist in WvW it’s the freaking same thing : Tanking 10 of us & then running away while killing 2 – 3 of us (full exotic, good players, not casual afk players looking at the birds).

First, if you are going to grossly exaggerate in a post, then I am going to give you a similar response. If 10 people cannot kill a single elementalist before he kills 2-3 of you (not to mention you standing there and letting him finish off downed players) …then there is no amount of complaining on the forums that will fix the particular problem you have. In fact no two competent players should ever lose to an equally competent ele 2v1…. let alone a 10v1. Your issue is 100% a learn to play issue. Maybe solitaire would be a better choice, or perhaps a trivia game.

Now on to the reality based portion of your post….

The reason why you see so many d/d eles running around in those situation is because staff is a godawful roaming weapon. Your 1v1 ability is horrible as is your ability to move across the map when compared to running daggers. You might see an occasional s/d instead roaming around of a d/d, but those are only the ele’s that are delusional into thinking that is an equally viable weapon choice. (it needs improvement as does focus).

Oresh.4729:

blackgate is reborn, impressive! i hope it’s not because of some lame 2v1 agreement with sor…

I want to use the same cliche I saw the past three weeks and say it must clearly be due to BG playing for second instead of first and that JQ and BG are 2v1’ing SoR and it isn’t fair, blah blah blah.

I just can’t bring myself to do it even in jest or blatant sarcasm.

Anyways, good fights everyone. I just wish everyone would bring it as hard during my east coast hours as they seem to do while I am sleeping or at work! If only FOO was a NA prime time guild, because I do so love fighting against them. I need to find a new job so I can play then. heh

Mance.5640:

JQ NA crew adding another 5k to the lead.

I’m always surprised how we do this 5 days a week against the clearly dominant other NA server and NA guilds.

After focusing on BG for so long, it has been a fun change of pace this week to be in a different border land finally!

Interesting. How did you guys add 5k during NA hours when I played from 7 to 11pm last night during NA hours and we had a PPT lead the entire time by a significant amount?

Or did you mean you added 5k over BG?

Edit: Yeah looking back at the scores, it is obvious that you meant that you added to your lead over 2nd place. Sorry, havent had my coffee yet.

Kreen.3925:

oh come on, you have heard the term “pot, kettle black” yes?

of course, incorrect conclusions might work both ways surely.

Sure I have, but it isn’t applicable in this specific case. I also realize that incorrect conclusions happen frequently, I was just pointing it because this particular instance was quite ‘out there’.

VOLKON.1290:

covenn.7165:

Kreen.3925:

However, I would argue that your screenshot does not reflect the bulk of the discussion that we cover in these threads, which seem to consist mainly of coverage, timezones, numbers and guild, player and server behaviours. All of this is opinion based.

In my view the only facts are the score updates. Feel free to disagree, you have the right to express your opinion.

I disagree with some of this too. I can say that during a fight last night where a poster accused the our guild of having an 80 man zerg, we only actually had 22 of us online in W3 with 10 extras by taking having everyone stack, take a supply info, open up the guild interface, and take a screenshot. Sorry… our ‘80’ man zerg was actually 32.

To be fair, Covenn, I did say you were mixed with others. It’s just your guild tag that stood out numerically as the plurality.

Believe it or not, that wasn’t directed at your post in any way. It was just a hypothetical example.

Jeknar.6184:

SoR is only at T1 because SBI imploded and the people that were afraid of a long downfall towards the bottom tiers jumped the ship to SoR.

This isn’t true. Not even sure where you are getting that from, but I guess making up random crap on the internet is never going to go away.

Boulderbolg.3460:

I would probably recommend SoR for the average zerg player. SoR’s zergs are generally larger than BG’s and comparable to JQ’s. They are very organized as well, if you like that sort of game play. If you like small skirmishes, BG has a lot of small groups to fight against. However, SoR lacks a lot of small skirmish groups to play with, so you would kind of be on your own unless you joined a guild like CD.

BG is a good server to join as well, but you have to be able to handle coming in third place (which means getting out zerged by JQ and SoR).

Ignore this post. He runs strictly havoc and anything more than 10 people is a zerg to him. Since he runs havoc, he is not around the massive zergs put together by his own server and has a bit of a warped perception.

Fizz.8926:

I also missed a lot of the WvW drama of guild movings and don’t understand why/how SoR is #2 now and it concerns me slightly that guilds might jump the ship to another “FOTM” server.

No real drama or FOTM at SoR. The community was built slowly and deliberately by like minded guilds that refuse to give up and always come out swinging. In fact, we did our best to discourage people moving to us on a bandwagon and instead, seeked out guild that fit our philosophy.

Kreen.3925:

However, I would argue that your screenshot does not reflect the bulk of the discussion that we cover in these threads, which seem to consist mainly of coverage, timezones, numbers and guild, player and server behaviours. All of this is opinion based.

In my view the only facts are the score updates. Feel free to disagree, you have the right to express your opinion.

I disagree with some of this too. I can say that during a fight last night where a poster accused the our guild of having an 80 man zerg, we only actually had 22 of us online in W3 with 10 extras by taking having everyone stack, take a supply info, open up the guild interface, and take a screenshot. Sorry… our ‘80’ man zerg was actually 32.

Edit: But yes I do agree that a lot of discussion here is perception and opinion based

Kreen.3925:

As far as fabricated nonsense well, this is a gaming forum, open your eyes and look around. Hey, read some of your own posts.

See, this is where you and I may differ. Fabrication is too obvious and easy to see through.

Take for example a certain poster who has a habit of that. To avoid naming names, calling someone out specifically, and to avoid offending anyone, lets refer to him simple as ‘Potato Alcohol’. People have stopped taking ‘Potato Alcohol’ seriously because of the blatant and repeated use of outright fabrication. This means that ‘Potato Alcohol’’s posts are ineffectual.

I avoid fabricating anything on purpose and stick to legitimacy as a golden rule.

Kreen.3925:

This is a gaming forum. There are no facts here. Just opinions and peoples perceptions.

I disagree that there are no ‘fact’.

For example: I can post a screenshot of my player kill total at 8pm server time, then again at 10pm server time, and make a post stating that I killed 1023 players in two hours.

How would that not be a ‘fact’ ?

Kreen.3925:

Well I wasn’t sure. As a Brit who often visits the US I am fairly “up” on general NA slang but regional variations often trip me up. I am sure our slang is as confusing.

Ok, this might explain some of the responses I see from you. Despite much commonality, there is still quite a bit of culturally induced differences that might cause you to draw incorrect conclusions.

Perhaps it will be easier to have meaningful discussion if we stop adding to this with blatant troll statements eh?

Kreen.3925:

I am not dodging at all Its not about winning or losing here. For me its about both parties sharing a dialogue and learning something.

Taking your proverbial ball and going home when you begin to lose a debate is what I implied that you were doing.

Kreen.3925:

I thought TW were in it for the experience and winning and losing (point scoring) didn’t matter. It appears that forum behaviour does not match self proclaimed WvW behaviour. I wonder what that tells us.

It doesn’t tell ‘us’ anything because that is all fabricated nonsense. It doesn’t have any basis in reality and isn’t even remotely close to being a valid or logical conclusion based on the conversation being had. This is another one of those ‘out in left field’ statements.

Puandro.3245:

Phil.5280:

covenn.7165:

Asmodal.6489:

I dont think anyone i denying that staying in Fire will grant you the highest dps if specced for direct damage.

Oh I deny it whole completely. In fact, it is patently wrong. I will do more overall damage than someone staying in fire no matter how they spec.

This.

Staying in fire and gaining might is more dps than gaining fury while swapping atunements using lower dps skills.

At what percentage of crit damage and crit chance does that occur when taken into consideration might stacks a proper ele will get playing correctly as opposed to spamming fireball when other abilities are on cool down? Also add in the net gain from other conditions and factor in the ability to ensure the abilities actually hit the target which is impossible by strictly sticking in fire. If you want to use might stacks gained over time by spamming fire abilities, then you need to compare it with everything else as well equally.

eldain stenlund.4306:

Thats where the problem is.

If we create a mage class.
*Mesmer, Necromancer, Elementals.
we are creating it to be a range spell slinger in some way.
Thats what we expect it to be.

crap for survival. but a hell of a nuker.

Who is this ‘we’ you speak of. I have been an ele since beta and it is my main, I don’t share the same expectations as you. I rolled the class because it allowed the ability to adapt and succeed in any given situation without being strapped into a singular role.

Oh …and I hit like a truck and have survivability.

Fuzzion.2504:

covenn.7165:

I wouldn’t know about staff. I don’t solo or small man with that weapon out.

People actually roam with staff??!

Judging by the sheer amount of people complaining about how weak staff is, I have to assume they do.

I don’t run any condition damage at all in my gear because it is all but a waste on an ele. Even if people didn’t cleanse conditions ever, you would still be far better off increasing your ability to hit harder and maintain DPS longer via survivability. This isn’t true for other class/build combos though.

It boils down to the fact that we cannot keep enough stacks of enough conditions on enough enemies for it to be worth more than just hitting them harder with the front load. Never mind the fact that any decent player/group with the ability is going to keep removing conditions anyways.

hex.3218:

Does the name Covenn originate from DAoC? Does it mean the same thing here?

This is not intended as an insult or anything. I am curious.

Hmm are you saying that I mean something to you? Covenn is my name and has been dating back to the release of DAOC.

jojojoon.8607:

You probably don’t follow the forum all that much. There were some NA players from SOR who wanted to kick all non-NA players from NA servers just so they will have a better chance at winning. There was a huge discussion about it a few days ago.

You have issues with reading comprehension if that is how you interpreted that. It was a single poster discussing possible solutions to coverage issues that this game has as a whole. It wasn’t someone wanting to kick out their non-NA players as you so disgustingly are insinuating.

Tyaen.5148:

Sorry covenn. While we are good at sieging up our keeps and towers, we are terrible at walking supply. It’s usually a few dedicated people on SoR walking Yaks, and usually not enough to prevent Yak ganking by organized havok squads.

I disagree, but let me explain.

We walk yaks when we have to. Do we have people constantly wasting there evening walking every Yak? No.

The reason why I posted what I did is that I know they are no different than us in that department first hand. Why might you ask? Simple, running havoc and killing a stupid amount of their Yaks uncontested has given me that perspective.

ykyk.2740:

To be fair, a number of rather vocal SoR hopped on that train and started some pretty distasteful posturing towards the final week of the SoR/TC/SBI matchups.

I also recall quite a few people did not take SoR’s supposed “tanking to stay in tier 2 for another week to build up community” thing too well, so that may be one of the things as well. Getting off topic though, back to T1 inter-server bashing!

Actually I think the first thing you mentioned was a direct response to the people who created a big deal out of good intentions. once the drama starts, it generally snowballs out of control.

Regarding the last, that had nothing to do with TC. Can’t really help that whatever they thought was personal. SoR couldn’t have moved to T1 that week anyway due to glicko, so the entire basis for that drama was silly.

Melamorte.2870:

TW must’ve figured out they weren’t getting any WXP after a while.

We wanted to continue with the fun, but BG screwed it up by attacking Bay and making us move there.

VOLKON.1290:

It’s a thing we do in FIRE as a guild event to add a little fun for that. There was much laughter on TS. Naked people seem to get more raucous in combat for some reason.

Yeah, some naked dude kept running in front of me and dancing over and over. I almost didn’t have the heart to kill him, but he was sort of in the way of me killing everyone around him.