Guild Wars 2

Vlad.7529:

covenn.7165:

thiagoperne.7340:

I don’t mind these GvG setup, but a day after reset and when both servers are behind 10k is not clever

Well SoR is no longer behind anyone. Is your complaint still valid now?

This whole thread was never valid considering the person that made it has no clue what WvW is about and repairs SM walls that are getting trebbed.

I concede that point to you freely.

Bash.7291:

Jahn.7019:

You do realize that EB is really “pug-land” for all 3 servers.

Doubt there is some grand conspiracy. Now if you saw that in all 4 BLs at the same time instead of just EB I might say there’s something up.

You guys should just stop whining, even if there wasn’t some grand 2v1 plot before, with all the QQing, you’re just asking for people to bring out more tears.

3 Nights in a row isn’t crying, just pointing out a pattern :P

Welcome back to T1. I sure hope you enjoyed your trip to T2 last week.

thiagoperne.7340:

I don’t mind these GvG setup, but a day after reset and when both servers are behind 10k is not clever

Well SoR is no longer behind anyone. Is your complaint still valid now?

Greshmael.1498:

I honestly don’t have a problem with people doing what they want to in game. I’m totally cool with that. My only issue with it would be if those same people were to off and tell other people how THEY should play the game. IE. “Don’t bring lowbie toons into WvW”, “Don’t use supply for that!”, “Hey, you! Badge down!” That’s great to know that we’re all on the same page that we can play however want. So, I guess we won’t be hearing anything like that ever again on the SOR server. Whew!!!! What a relief. Thanks for making that point for the good of the whole server guys! You rock!

Giving Indo/TW flak for seeking fights during a week of boring play against servers that stood no chance is just your attempt to stir up drama where there is none. If you don’t understand the difference between what you mentioned above and this situation, then I really can’t help you.

Fortunately, there are plenty of other servers to transfer to that could use your help if you find that the SoR environment doesn’t suit you. We care more about the fights than the PPT and it has always been that way.

oxide.8324:

Pinkus.2860:

Luiz Swordbreaker.6547:

Then we could also have someone from a spectator point of view streaming (maybe even with a caster?)

I can see how this will unfold…

- Both teams veil in
- Everyone starts spamming 1
- I don’t know wtf is happening right now
- Team X wins

- Then winning team struts around with inflated egos calling their opponents trash on ts amongst themselves and thinking they are gaming ~sUpErStArZ~ even though GvG is not competitive (there’s only a handful of guilds that actually care about it) and it requires very little individual skill (lol 20 people mashing 1) :p

I am only supposed to smash the 1 key? Crap, I am doing it wrong.

So yeah, I was on JQ last week and there were hordes of BG out during NA prime time on every map. I was sincerely hoping that you would be able to ride that wave of morale and keep up the good fight. What happened?

I so sad now.

Give us stealth…. umm, no.

Caffynated.5713:

covenn.7165:

I use all PTV armor and PTV accessories, and I see 5k hits with meteor shower all the time… sometimes 6k. Also see 8k with eruption, etc. I could do more damage, but never dying is worth far more than hitting a little harder.

You’re hitting naked people and uplevels.

I have 2100 base power and 99% crit damage. The vast majority of Meteor shower, eruption and ice spike crits against 80s are 2-4k.

No. I. Am. Not.

Doing it in GvG fights as well, though granted, most of the Meteor hits are in the 4k range and the outliers being in the 5k. Only hit one 6k in a GvG on someone I know was a full glass ele.

Send me a pm and I will explain how and why.

Kodiak.3281:

The other half of the problem is anyone with GvG experience will tell you that combo fields get dropped like MAD. In the murder ball (where both sides are clashing) you have no hope of planning a proper Combo field.

I disagree. The good GvG groups coordinate combo fields in a planned and effective manner.

I use all PTV armor and PTV accessories, and I see 5k hits with meteor shower all the time… sometimes 6k. Also see 8k with eruption, etc. I could do more damage, but never dying is worth far more than hitting a little harder.

We really need to stop using tiers to describe things as they no longer exist. For example “T1” last week didn’t even have the servers ranked #2 and #3 in it.

The new match up system is fine, but they need to greatly reduce the variance because it is causing serious blowouts. I really don’t think a server should play anyone more than 3 ranks above or below them. #1 vs #4 is fine… but #1 vs #9 is not even remotely close.

I for one am glad BG got their morale back. Hopefully you all can continue indefinitely because it makes our fights that much more fun.

Fade.7658:

covenn.7165:

Fade.7658:

fade.8603:

Fade.7658:

So why did Tempest Wolves xfer off SoR?

Wow… what is this same name? TW transferred temp to JQ to fight prev week, thats all.

I couldn’t get my ranger’s name from DAoC, and ended up with Fade.7658 as my i.d.

Hi Fade

Hey there Covenn. I always figured you to roll a thief after playing a nightshade for so long :P

Nah, I am an ele.

thiagoperne.7340:

covenn.7165:

thiagoperne.7340:

covenn.7165:

thiagoperne.7340:

I don’t mind these GvG setup, but a day after reset and when both servers are behind 10k is not clever, and sometimes yes you’re taking queue up spaces or making the map weak from who actually wants WvW action. Anyway I don’t see how these GvG can be more fun, you just kill each other and that’s it, over and over and over…doing WvW stuff you do that too but so much more and also contribute to your server.

The guilds you are complaining about do more than their fair share in WvW nightly. No need to get upset.

I’m not getting upset neither complaining, as I said I don’t mind just think its the wrong time for that. You need to pay attention when you read.

Oh I was paying attention just fine. No need to be like that.

No need to pay attention much. No need to judge wrong. No need to be that smart to know that. No need to write No need everytime. No need to reply.

Is that really where you are going to take this? I see this is a waste of time for me. I tried to be civil with you, I am sorry you couldn’t return the favor.

thiagoperne.7340:

covenn.7165:

thiagoperne.7340:

I don’t mind these GvG setup, but a day after reset and when both servers are behind 10k is not clever, and sometimes yes you’re taking queue up spaces or making the map weak from who actually wants WvW action. Anyway I don’t see how these GvG can be more fun, you just kill each other and that’s it, over and over and over…doing WvW stuff you do that too but so much more and also contribute to your server.

The guilds you are complaining about do more than their fair share in WvW nightly. No need to get upset.

I’m not getting upset neither complaining, as I said I don’t mind just think its the wrong time for that. You need to pay attention when you read.

Oh I was paying attention just fine. No need to be like that.

Fade.7658:

fade.8603:

Fade.7658:

So why did Tempest Wolves xfer off SoR?

Wow… what is this same name? TW transferred temp to JQ to fight prev week, thats all.

I couldn’t get my ranger’s name from DAoC, and ended up with Fade.7658 as my i.d.

Hi Fade

pot.6805:

You guys didn’t convert gold to gems? Noobs =p

I paid half and converted half. I simply didn’t have the gold reserves to convert both ways. I don’t do PvE period. Heh

Liquid.9672:

It sets up the chance for cross server info sharing which blows.

There is a chance 24-7 on every match up that someone is information sharing. You don’t have to be in the same guild to send messages to each other. Heck, I have talked to people in your guild while WvWing and shared information with them about the the other server we were fighting.

Case in point, this week not only did TW work against SoR and guild members that did not transfer by leading defense for JQ, but we were primarily fighting SoR one of the evenings because of the bounty they put on Indo’s head.

Anyways, I seriously don’t understand what the problem is people have with people buying gems and seeking fights elsewhere. Its not our fault ANET threw us in a match up last week that was pointless and boring against two servers that didnt stand a chance. Rather than log off for a week, we used money and gold to find fights.

Well within the rules and well within moral obligation to fair game play. Sadly, people are just using this as an excuse to complain and vent their frustrations with things as a whole.

warriorjrd.8695:

The VVrex bug is at it again it seems, trying to destroy more and more servers. Well I can hardly say that I am surprised IRON do enjoy kitten ing people off for their own enjoyment. With Wrex’s famous line of " How dare you enjoy the game you paid for?" IRON never takes into account that their “enjoyment” is coming at the cost of others.

Not sure what you have against them, but they weren’t even involved. Besides, he is right… he paid for the game and is not obligated to you period. As long as he doesn’t violate TOS, he is free to play as he wishes. It was his money after all.

thiagoperne.7340:

I don’t mind these GvG setup, but a day after reset and when both servers are behind 10k is not clever, and sometimes yes you’re taking queue up spaces or making the map weak from who actually wants WvW action. Anyway I don’t see how these GvG can be more fun, you just kill each other and that’s it, over and over and over…doing WvW stuff you do that too but so much more and also contribute to your server.

The guilds you are complaining about do more than their fair share in WvW nightly. No need to get upset.

Employee.2680:

Guilds like TW, TWL Choo, IRON, TYSM have members that transfered parts of their guilds to JQ and been taking up spaces in WvW just to have Guild vs Guild. They are ruining the Que’s for those who actually care to WvW. I doubt anything will be done but I’d like to pass the info out to the rest of SoR and JQ in why you are having longer que times.

Pretty sure the 3200 gems I purchased to transfer over to JQ (and back) temporarily is perfectly acceptable to Anet.

Fixeon.5076:

Well last week BG’s fair-weather players came out to play and it is my understanding they had some pretty big and nasty zergs running around. I wonder if they will stick around now that the bully (SoR) is back in the playground. I do hope they do stick around.

Yeah they had pretty huge NA zergs going last week. I was amazed that they had so many to be honest. Not sure where they went tonight though.

I dont even know what to say about all of these posts. I am simply amazed by it.

Its kind of funny because the entire night TW had had the entire borderland full of SoR chasing us around trying to collect bounty on Indo. I can honestly and safely say that for every 1 BG player I have killed tonight, I have killed 10 SoR.

On the flip side, I was killed once by SoR and twice by gravity.

Zikory.6871:

The point he was trying to make is there is a sizable difference between how BG and SoR zergs. SoR tends to throw a full queued map zerg at you very hard and gives you very little time to react splitting your forces across the map. It make it seem like SoR has this massive zerg with numbers over the cap.

Except that isn’t reality. It is only your perception.

Usually the truth is that forces are split across the map defending/attacking. The only time you really see full BL zergs from any servers is during a prolonged siege or when one of the three servers doesnt show up. Otherwise the very nature of a three sided fight alone dictates otherwise.

SFShinigami.2015:

I think most citations of tiers are people trying to troll, seriously or lightheartedly. But, unless SoR can make up 5 points or so in the final hours, BG will have taken the #1 spot, which would be the equivalent of gold I suppose. Either way a congrats is well deserved.

Agreed.

I knew SoR was going to drop to #2 the second I saw what the match ups were. It was nearly inevitable unless TC/SoS was spawn camped 24-7 by SoR. Until this all shakes out and Anet gets a workable system in place, even the ratings are mostly useless.

Liquid.9672:

Anyways, I’m not trying to argue over semantics here, but I wanted to point out that I don’t believe for one minute that SoR’s surge in score performance was all due to one factor. There was definitely a morale/motivation/fairweather effect, like there is for all servers.

Sure, that happens to some extent no matter what server you are on and it would be foolish to think otherwise. I was just pointing out the elephant in the room to you. When NA can spend 2-3-4-5 hours racking up PPT instead of trying to simply get back to even footing (which on some nights took the entire night if it happened at all), everything else you mentioned follows…..

Not sure where the disconnect with that was to be honest.

We had one change to our server that occurred that made the difference between BG beating us by 60k and us beating BG by 60k ….and it wasn’t fair weather players. Those trickled in after the fact.

JaredKincade.9761:

The glicko system itself hasn’t changed.

You are right, the glicko system hasn’t changed. Therein lies the exact problem because it is no longer contextually relevant

Mordyph.2104:

So SOR has to petty much spawn camp both servers to get a positive rating.

That kinda will ruin any fun for either side.

I am glad you get the big picture and can see an underlying issue. Perhaps you can explain it to those who don’t. I tried

aelflune.8590:

covenn.7165:

KumaTazZ.8054:

Playing engi and necro when I go with zerg, I’ll stay a little bit away from the battle and find the right position to do damage or AoE on downed enemies (may be wait till someone come rez thier friend and I’ll drop AoE to kill both of them)

Just some constructive criticism…. That isn’t the best way to play a necro in a zerg if you want to win consistently.

This isn’t constructive. Being constructive would be taking steps to help the other person understand what you mean.

Not sure the point of your post, but it was constructive because I was informing him that he should seek out different methods of necro play because they exist and they perform better.

Constructive does not equate to hand holding…

Eleir.9325:

TC beats SoR when we have equal numbers easily.

No offense to you, but before making this claim, you should realize that this week’s match up against SoR doesn’t reflect reality. Many of the guilds are leveling alts or simply not playing period until the match up gets better. Heck, one guild even took a vacation to JQ for a week because this match up was so poor.

Quells.2498:

@letoll I don’t really care how high you ticked I still want the pain. It wasn’t meant as an insult, I’m just saying don’t patronize us.

This is what I have seen the last two times TC faced SoR. I can’t make this up even if I want to, and all you have to do to verify it is read through a few hundred old posts.

Anyways:

1. If SoR comes out and plays, we are spawn camping and running up the score.

2. If SoR doesn’t come out and play, we are patronizing you.

Classic case of kitten ed if you do and kitten ed if you don’t in my opinion.

Right? I get your point of view, but you have to understand ours. Simply put, if people are bored they either invent things to do to have fun in game ( like spawn camp) or they simply find something outside of the game to do (i.e. not come out and play with you).

Anyways, I think we all just need to lighten up about things that are beyond our control and instead direct our anger towards the game company that imposed this upon us.

loquacious.2915:

Dear god, please let Dragonbrand roll SOR tonight. Sophtspoken has no idea what a zerg really is.

If Blackgate beat DB by 250k, SOR will beat them by 400k.

This isn’t accurate to be honest. You can only fit so many people in a borderland and from what I have seen this week, BG had as many people out this week that SoR usually does. In fact, I would venture to say BG had more people doing W3 this week than SoR because half of SoR is on vacation because the matchup was so lopsided.

Heh

SFShinigami.2015:

LetoII.3782:

Fuzzion.2504:

Dear Gents and Ladies,
As we are almost at an end;
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JQ would like to congratulate :

DB on their very first Bronze in Tier 1 You did very well my friends !

JQ on their 14th Silver in Tier 1 Well done folks

Last and not least

BG , congratulations on your 4th Gold in Tier 1

May next reset be as exciting as this one as been
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Love, Fuzzy.

PS. Im off to the pubs, its friday after all

/facepalm

You dissing pubs man?

I think the /facepalm was directed towards the tier reference because it is no longer valid.

In other words, BG didn’t get their 4th gold in T1, JQ didn’t get their 14th silver, and DB didn’t get their first bronze. I am not trying to be disrespectful to Fuzzy, just pointing out the truth that pretty much everything about his post, though well intended, is simply wrong.

Congrats on winning this match up though BG.

DeadlySynz.3471:

Now the question is, what is most important to a player?

1) Their rating, regardless of whether their completely curb stomped
2) Even and fair competition that really could go either way

I’m guessing the vast majority would care more about option 2. I’m sure there are people out there who care about option 1 more.

The players that fall into the option 1 category though, I really don’t understand how they could be enjoying the match-ups if they can’t muster enough people to even get 10ft out of their spawn point. Yes this is happening on many match-ups. How exactly can someone enjoy it? I do know that many are not, because many have left.

You speak truth. To add to your comment because it is important to say it again, it is absolutely no fun being on the other side either. It is lose-lose for all involved. The people being ground into oblivion find no more enjoyment in their game play than the people being forced to do it simply to keep themselves from being bored (providing they dont just log off and find something more fun to do)

JaredKincade.9761:

The hero in that matchup is how well Sea of Sorrows is doing, even though they are so out manned. They are gaining 55 rating because they are putting up a fight when everyone, including the rating system, expected them to roll over and tick at 10 24-7. That’s not happening and they are getting rewarded for it.

Good job Sea of Sorrows.

Speaking with first hand knowledge, this is more of a results of SoR guilds preferring to do other things like leveling alts, taking vacations to other servers to get GvG’s in, or simply not playing at all.

It is not fun or rewarding game play to paint BLs one color and/or spawn camp them into oblivion. When you put the #1 ranked server vs a T4 server (at the time, we dont have tiers now), everyone loses including Anet. I think it is safe to say that if you can step away from the trolling and bitterness and be honest with yourself, we all would prefer to have fun, rewarding, and active game play.

Gamadorn.2659:

LOL apparently OP doesn’t understand how ratings work…yes if you win you will lose rating until all ratings become more accurate. The T1 ratings for almost all servers was too high. They are just readjusting to the appropriate ratings.

T1 Servers and other servers that had stagnated had a self perpetuating gap between them and the tiers below or above them. Now because of the RNG the rating system can get a true rating over a greater range of servers those numbers will be more accurate and provide a more accurate assessment of the server. So in other words…kitten and wait a month or so :-P

You shouldn’t laugh at someone to be honest as you are being a little shortsighted your self. As I mentioned before there is the game play issue involved with running up scores that will skew results from the very beginning. If the data is inaccurate from the start, it will never be correct in a timely enough manner to keep people playing this game. To be honest, even a month is too long in today’s gaming world…..

Anyways, there is also gross long term issue with this system that you are missing as well that would occur even if Anet did change up the maths to accommodate the RNG. As long as the variance is as high as it is, there are going to be huge problems in W3 game play.

Snowreap.5174:

SoR is losing rating because they haven’t kept TC and SoS to as low a score as the relative ratings predict. at around the time when SoR had 250K points, TC should have had 120K and SoS should have had 60K.

-ken

No, SoR would be losing rating against BG simply due to the nature of who they are fighting in the match up. If in fact the ratings math has not been adjusted to realistically reflects the random factor thrown into the match up, then it is never going to work and will be flawed permanently.

There is also a game play issue with making it a requirement to have severe blowouts like you mentioned to just keep rating. Exciting and active play normally doesn’t involve PvEing empty objectives for the sake of running up score or spawn camping people to oblivion. Expecting servers to do that to maintain rating is horribly flawed to the point, where if it persists, nobody will be playing this game 6 months from now.

tsubus.8761:

T3:
Warrior
Engineer
Ranger

Not to be rude, but this is wrong. Warriors are nearly a requirement to have a high level of success. Rangers and engineers are not.

Sophtspoken.9062:

your point about agg zerg is completely invalid because I guarantee their 50 man zerg was met with more that 10bg at any given fight, unlike bg who has to bring 50 man zergs to take anything from a 10 man group o and u have to bring golems too because we often turned away your group of 30 or more and rams because you guys are that bad

Can I ask you why you are spending so much effort complaining about zerging when you are facing 2 of the three highest population servers in North America? There is no need to get worked up about something you cannot control.

Servers with higher populations are always going to have more people crammed into a zone, up until the point the zone reaches its cap. Nothing you can do about it, and people simply aren’t going to stop playing because you dislike the zergs. Just relax and roll with it. More people, means more action and more bags for you when you kill them. You should be happy!

On a side note: The resource based server cap on planet Earth was reached about 2 billion people ago. Ponder that…..

Fuzzion.2504:

Its also possible that BG or JQ will be heading for Tier 2 due to “Lets mix it up” random generator.

There are no tiers.

We need to make an active effort to transition away from calling it that. It is rating and random # that determines match up, and even the ratings are pointless right now because most servers are gaining or losing way more points than they should simply due to the nature of their randomly generated matchup this week…. well assuming ANET didnt change the math of course.

Edit: To point, one could make the argument that this matchup is T2 because it didn’t include the server that was #1 ranked at the beginning of the week. Can’t be #1 tier without the #1 server… see my point about why we need to stop calling using ‘tiers’.

pot.6805:

Hoots.9564:

Sophtspoken.9062:

pot.6805:

I’m trying to think of how many different forum warriors (hundreds) have claimed BG was either dead, dying, on life support, doomed, going back to t2/t3/t4 etc etc!

We still here…get used to it!

you’re only still there because of the current zerg meta once that’s gone you guys have nothing

Yea, where has this zerg come from I wonder? Quite a surprise when TW came over and found queued BG zergs on every map. Don’t get me wrong, queued BL’s produce the most bags, but this makes me wonder if BG can keep a force like that when SoR comes back to town.

Fairweather players, just like all those guilds on SoR who transferred there and then disappeared for 4 months only to come back when IRON showed up.

Except that didn’t happen. The same people playing then are the same people playing now.

The straight truth is this:

The difference is we aren’t fighting against fully painted BLs full of T3 structures now due to IRONs work. Back then we spent most of our NA playtime just getting back on equal footing….. anyone who has played this game for a while should understand the impact of that.

pot.6805:

I’m trying to think of how many different forum warriors (hundreds) have claimed BG was either dead, dying, on life support, doomed, going back to t2/t3/t4 etc etc!

We still here…get used to it!

I hope you keep up this momentum and gain of morale you had this week the next time you fight SoR. It was starting to get very boring during NA hours, and it would be most beneficial to everyone for us to have constant action.

JaredKincade.9761:

To all the complaining from DB about coverage and zergs of BG.

Wait till you fight SOR lol.

And its nothing personal in this match (well maybe with JQ) but we still have a ladder to fight for and rating to gather. :P

Judging by what I have seen this week, you have just as many people as SoR. Like I mentioned in my other post, for the sake of everyone’s fun and for competitive play, I hope you can maintain it indefinitely.

MagiKarp.8201:

Sorry if this feels this way, but what BG is doing isn’t about crushing you, its about maintaining momentum and morale, MERC is showing up every night as usual even though we know we do not have to, this is to not get sloppy and keep our A game waiting for the return of the Sanctum of Rallverywhere.

Yeah, I really hope you keep the morale up because you most definitely have just as many people as SoR judging by what I have seen this week. Honestly, it has always been a morale issue with you that got compounded by stagnant fights.

KumaTazZ.8054:

Playing engi and necro when I go with zerg, I’ll stay a little bit away from the battle and find the right position to do damage or AoE on downed enemies (may be wait till someone come rez thier friend and I’ll drop AoE to kill both of them)

Just some constructive criticism…. That isn’t the best way to play a necro in a zerg if you want to win consistently.

For everything above say 10v10 :

Top tier: Necro, Guardian, Warrior, Ele

Middle tier: Mesmer, Thief

Lower tier: Ranger, Engi

The top tier classes I listed are the core for the most successful guilds.

Deified.7520:

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Necromancer as last? You clearly haven’t played one. They might have some issue’s, but they can be amazing nonetheless.

Perhaps. But I find that they are easily downed when focused/immobilized. I feel, compared to the other classes, they lack mobility and escapes. They have great offensive capabilities, don’t get me wrong. However, compared to the other classes and what they offer I feel necromancers are put into that place.

Sorry, but you are wrong. The top open field guilds in the game run necros for a reason and they are most definitely not even remotely close to squishy. You should look a few of them up and ask for gear and spec advice.

Liquid.9672:

eithinan.9841:

I am not suggesting any 2v1 or anything but if BG can pull away from JQ, you guys are within a few points of toppling SOR from first place with regards to the glicko rating.

edit: All you need is TC to keep up the fight.

These are just my views, but #1 and #2 rating is rather meaningless, particularly when it’s so close. The reasons BG is gaining rating and SoR is losing rating have to do with random chance, which really invalidates the difference. The only way it will matter to me is if BG beats SoR in a direct match and overtakes the #1 rating spot. Otherwise it’s just Glicko silliness.

You speak the truth. Chances are, even if SoR spawn camped the other two servers 24-7 there still would have been an overall rating loss. Assuming they didn’t change the math when they added the randomness (yeah right). Ratings right now are pointless.

Hickeroar.9734:

kyro.8162:

The only glass we usually run is eles and their survival comes from positioning.

This is actually pretty interesting. I have noticed in my combat log that the majority of my damage in zerg fights comes from eles. I’ve had the thought several times “There’s no way an ele could be built in a way that they could hit me that hard and simultaneously be as solid (build-wise) as the guys we just fought on the field.”

I cant speak for other guilds on SoR, but none of our ele’s run glass. Even with good use of positioning and range, it only takes one person with a gap closer and a brain to kill a GC ele and rally 20 downed people on the ground.

Mattimeo.2146:

What are ANET thinking? You’re the server claiming to have gone easy on us for this week. Maybe if you hadn’t done that, you wouldn’t be in danger of losing 1st…

Obviously those poster you quoted has a different opinion, but I can safely say that there are many of us in SoR that could care less about the actual rating points. If the math to determine rating didn’t get changed, we were going to lose ground against BG no matter how many points we put on the board.

Personally, I think it would do BG some good to regain #1. They are out i droves this week during NA in their current match, which is something that hasn’t happened in weeks.