Guild Wars 2

virtue.7235:

Gerby.6219:

Intense fights [Agg] Good job to everyone who participated.

those fights were awesome!
we have never had so much fun
grats to you guys

Agreed, very very intense. It is fun when fights like that last forever, win or lose.

eithinan.9841:

covenn.7165:

JaredKincade.9761:

It amazes me people do not like the new system. The old one was so STAGNANT.

Agreed, it was stagnant …but the system they just put in with its current implementation is pretty freaking horrible. I realize you may be having more fun this week because you aren’t getting blown out, but there are some pretty hefty blowouts going on in some of the match ups making people not even want to play (on all sides).

Do you really think putting the top ranked NA server against a T4 server is fun for anyone? Heh

My personal opinion is this week where we are getting demolished is better than last week in terms of fun. The roaming is a little scarce for my tastes though.

I too like having more people to fight than I know what to do with. Target rich environments make the most enjoyable game play for me. Unfortunately, it isn’t much fun fighting a T4 server that wont come out and play because they aren’t having fun….. thus my vacation to JQ for the week.

I did vote to go to DB this week personally, but in retrospect, that would have been a poor choice and might have hurt DB… whereas we are nothing more than a small blip on JQ.

Wotah.2975:

Revisionists, revision! The initial stacked server HoD, second stacked server SoS, than JQ, BG, SoR…

SBI was a powerhouse that had some great WvW guilds in there too.

I still don’t understand how SoR became ‘stacked’ all of a sudden. SoR adds one medium size guild over the course of a couple of months and goes from losing by 50k every week to winning by 50k. Reality is, it had nothing to do with being stacked…. 90% of the active WvW population has been there since last fall.

I think this had more to do with guilds leaving JQ, the big shift during Waha’s play time, and BG getting demoralized some. Once you add in that IRON’s addition was allowing SoR’s NA force to fight on even footing with the other two servers by virtue of not having to face taking back fully fortified structures….

I think that is more of a fair assessment of the situation.

On a side note, it is good to see BG with a presence during NA again. I hope you can maintain it the next time you are paired with SoR.

/salute

JaredKincade.9761:

It amazes me people do not like the new system. The old one was so STAGNANT.

Agreed, it was stagnant …but the system they just put in with its current implementation is pretty freaking horrible. I realize you may be having more fun this week because you aren’t getting blown out, but there are some pretty hefty blowouts going on in some of the match ups making people not even want to play (on all sides).

Do you really think putting the top ranked NA server against a T4 server is fun for anyone? Heh

salluks.6017:

However, in terms of tactics and strategy, and i don’t mean at fighting! no NA server is even close to them.

I disagree.

Always a good sign when servers go down with no warning and no response from the responsible party. That doesn’t fly in the real world…..

Yeah Letoll, gaming is the cheapest entertainment I have.

Surfing on the other hand….. once I add in new boards and plane tickets / accommodations / food / time off of work for surf trips to exotic locations, now THAT is an expensive hobby.

No. This idea is horrible and I would definitely stop play my ele.

The attractive thing about the ele is how it plays. Anything that changes that should not happen.

katniss.6735:

Over-populated servers vs un-populated servers (due to quitting) are not going to give you any realistic data now, or in 3 more weeks.

This …among other things that will skew it.

BG has more players in WvW than I have seen in weeks during NA because they aren’t fighting SoR which had killed their morale. SoR has players temporarily transfer to JQ because their match up sucked so much this week. Not only that SoR isn’t putting up nearly as many points as they could be against TC/SoS because people are bored to death and arent playing the game.

Johje Holan.4607:

Is it going to work every time, no. Are you going to win the match, no. Is it going to help ET and FC? I don’t know, have you all tried? Is it going to work against SoR? I don’t know, have you tried? Maybe SoR is too godlike for it to work.

SoR literally begged for JQ and BG to 2v1 them for 2 weeks and it never happened. The issue with the old T1 matchup was never about unequal numbers, but morale. Both BG and JQ had more players than SoR, they just weren’t coming out to WvW.

Unfortunately this was one of the negatives from the old system. Getting rolled by the same opponents week in and out eventually causes morale to drop… which only adds to the problem. This is why the stagnant system needed to change. Unfortunately, the change that was implemented is even worse.

Aeros.2046:

People got what they asked for. New enemies to fight. Folks should be happy Anet actually responded to the community demands to change up the math rather then stick with the old system where you fought the same 2 servers for months on end.

New enemies to fight sure. No enemies to fight, no.

The current system is resulting in massive blowouts that isn’t fun for anyone. People game for entertainment and if a game fails to deliver, they move on.

Fuzzion.2504:

A pic of my army of golems on a good but miss on bay.

Hey Fuzzion, you and I need to have a little talk about timing in regards to doing guild missions.

On a side note Jared, I have noticed already that the number of BG players out in WvW during NA prime time so far appears to have greatly increased. Hopefully this week is serving as a booster shot to the server morale.

I think we could all safely say at this point that fun, challenging fights are far far better than the alternative.

JaredKincade.9761:

Every week is random, I just find it funny they started a precedence one day after being away to flip servers to look for match ups. Especially with this new system, there is no way of telling what will happen the next week, so waiting it out seems the better option.

Still their gold, their choice, just pointing out the hilarity of it. No conspiracy theories here.

I game for entertainment, and there is nothing fun about fighting opponents without the ability fight back. Honestly, unless $20 USD (or 60g) is big deal to you, it is still pretty freaking cheap for a week’s worth of entertainment. Not to mention the secondary entertainment that has been occurring on the forums….

Granted it is most likely a one time thing for me personally, because if this poorly thought out match up garbage continues much longer, I will lose interest and most likely find a different game to play. /shrug

I do love a good conspiracy though Burl. I look absolutely striking in my tin foil hat. It really brings out the blue in my eyes.

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

They would’ve gotten more fight if they transferred to DB. So obviously they didn’t want too little or too much fight, just the right amount. JQ is the Goldilocks server of this match up.

Going to DB would have unfairly influenced their glicko rating. Going to JQ didn’t really change anything. Think about that for a second. Add in that much of TW is from JQ originally and still has friends there…. pretty much a no brainer.

Kiff.8157:

Need not to argue much about TW transferring to JQ. From my point of view, they are just love drama, they want their existence in tier 1 that they so obsessed and spent gold to transfer.

Friend, you really should read the patch notes. There are no longer tiers and the weekly match ups are partially determined by a random number generator. There are still server rankings however.

Anyways, I am available for hugs if it will help.

Jayne.9251:

covenn.7165:

phabby.8945:

Lots of text

I am sorry you feel that way. Here is a hug from me to you <3

!!!!

What did you guys do to covenn?!!

Jayne! I missed you.

You definitely get a big hug from me. XoXoXoXo

On a side note, I am enjoying coming back home to JQ temporarily. I also enjoy seeing that BGs NA crew seems to be playing again. Keep up the good fights everyone.

phabby.8945:

Lots of text

I am sorry you feel that way. Here is a hug from me to you <3

MagiKarp.8201:

Welcome TW back to T1, glad you saw sense and jumped back into a real T1 server.

Pretty sure the tiers are gone and the matchups are determined by random number generator. Check the patch notes.

BG will most likely have the number 1 rank at the end of this week simply due to the RNG. It really doesn’t matter what SoR does in terms of the rating system, because no matter what we do, we are going to lose massive rating simply due to the match up.

Hopefully it will give BG the motivation to come out and fight next time we face them though. NA prime time was getting boring, despite the having more people on their server than us.

Who knows, maybe this mess with matchups will be a good thing in the end. I am just having a hard time seeing it.

Pink in the BL I am supposed to be in and here I am stuck in queue. I just want to get in so I can hug you all to death

Hi friends at TC. I missed you all so much!

XoXoXoXoXo <3

Sorry about this SoS

Lets make the best of this situation this week and get some GvG’s in !

Aarean.5398:

Why are guilds leaving or in rumor of leaving jq. Theres not balance issue anymore. Jq is the weakest of t1 and any guild leaving it is just avoiding losing. Anyone else not seeing the score trend?

Score trend or not, it is just a phase. Before moving to SoR last year, I was on JQ initially…. and I know for a fact that the server is solid. They will be back kicking on teeth in no time.

Warlord.9074:

ya a blob is so many numbers you can’t count them thats why its a blob. 25 is a zerg tactics aside.

No, this is incorrect.

Blobbing and zerging both require numbers to some degree, but are not the same thing. Simply having numbers does not automatically equate to blobbing or being a zerg either. What they do have in common is that both can be easily defeated with less numbers via superior tactics and play. Sometimes a blob can be contained within a zerg, but not part of the actual zerg itself.

Cyril.1486:

Thread made by a Vizunah Square player ? Run in smaller numbers thats it. No need to run 80 – 100 wherever you go.

Skill lag is caused by the server. It doesn’t matter if you run 5 or 100.

It has effected me running a 5 man more times than I can count.

Masamoon.3864:

Here you go you lazy kitten.

240/230/225

Looks like super fun fighting to me! Who can complain about PPT ticks like that?

Burl.9567:

He’s talking about Noodles.

The only thing that haunted me about that was all the bags I lost from his DB transfer.

People throw the word blob around and don’t even understand its proper usage.

Anyways, I am not sure what the complaining is about anyways. You would think the BG players that had them ticking at 500+ ppt last week would be rejoicing at having people to fight other than NPCs and doors. I know I would be.

scootshoot.6583:

Picture this, a 40 on 40 mass of players attack one another. Each character has different animations and are spamming abilities left and right, during this chaos your poor little CPU is required to take all this information and distribute it on your end, all in real time.

Picture this, a 100v100 fight with smooth animations and mostly lag fee. Also, no server lag to speak of either screwing things up. Picture that and go back in time close to a decade to see it in action.

People really need to stop making excuses for gaming companies that can’t even manage to get a game working smoothly with modern technology, when games a decade ago managed it on the hardware available then.

Bad coding and poor design is the problem. Not some of these rigs people are posting.

Zosk.5609:

I do not agree. I think it shows that something is too effective if you can beat over double your numbers in a fight…unless there is some other mitigating factors.

Everybody might have access to the “same things”… but not everybody wants to or can play the same way. Some people want to form up an elite 5-man with perfect combination of classes… some people want to pug up in the zerg. The advantages given to the former should not be so overwhelming as the latter group feels like fodder…and when things get to the point where the 5-man can kill 3 or more times their numbers regularly I think that problem point has been reached.

I don’t believe combat in this game is even complex enough for people to “outplay” others at a level they can kill many times their number, to be perfectly honest. To me it just says they’ve chosen classes and builds to work as a team and got in voice chat…. and I don’t think anybody really deserves a medal for it or superpowers, just an advantage.

Part of ‘out playing’ is having superior tactics, communication, and synergy compared to your opponents. This is an MMO…..

It is a not a flaw in game design when 15 wipe 40 and both sides have equal access. Yes this game isn’t as complex as others, I agree… but there is a pretty serious flaw in the logic of your response.

What is this past you speaketh of Tarin?

15 beating 20 is close enough in numbers that even small things can tip the balance one way or another, let alone skill differences.

15 beating 40 on the other hand doesn’t mean something is wrong with the game given both sides can have access to the same classes and abilities. Simply put, the 15 out played the 40. Nothing wrong with that.

Busting the blob is easy. Once you kill them over and over, they tend to break up into smaller groups or just leave the zone. There is only so much a zerg can take being wiped repeatedly by half their number.

washu.8670:

Pvp.2758:

SoR’s hardwork is finally showing

Heh, thought SoR never pull overtime shifts how do you even define hardwork, heck the previous SoR posters here criticizes WM for playing too much wvw. The 3 come from behind wins by BG is what I call true hardwork and dedication.

I am not sure I understand exactly what you are trying to say.

Jaxson Burn.2803:

90 PPT on the weekend? R.I.P SoR

It is 9am eastern on mother’s day. /sarcasm fail

Arete.7198:

Raven Paradox.1860:

Bags Galore is once again night capping their way to victory.

At least we had a great day today.

Odd thing to say in a 24/7 game.

I hope for the sake of alleviating boredom that your overnight crew gets some people to fight. It would have been much better for them if a few of your guild transfers had come to SoR instead to even thing out. I think we would all prefer to have as equal numbers as possible so everyone has fun.

Henrik.7560:

Although the topic is filled with flames, good work to all its a pretty close week, SoR tried very hard to get 2nd place and weren’t far off it, JQ pushed alot as well, but we clearly outnumber them.

Nah we didn’t try any harder than we do every week. Our limitations have never been about effort, it has always been about lack of coverage. Fortunately we have had quality guilds that have slowly trickled in over time, but we still have a ways to go on gathering numbers before we have a realistic chance at first.

Kript.3291:

Now suddenly " BG is stacked" becomes a issue for JQ?

again, stop finding excuses and fight..

Don’t worry, we had a certain BG poster saying SoR was stacked before he took a vacation from the boards again.

Laughable stuff right there….

You will have more people to fight and things to keep in interesting in a higher tier. Chances are in one of the lower tiers you will be doing a lot of PvDoor.

You could always come to SoR and fill a badly needed time slot for us. If you are up for a challenge, there will be a ton of people to fight from the other two servers. Guaranteed nonstop action.

WoDan.4079:

Well that’s certainly an interesting perspective…

I recorded it because it was funny; not to qq or anything. It was obvious that both JQ & SOR were working together to give BG a hard time for taking top spot last week.

Nah, that is about as far from the truth as you can get. His perspective isn’t so much interesting, as it is accurate as he was in the SoR force blockading you.

I was there as well and I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that we were not working ‘with’ JQ at all. In fact, we had been farming them over and over and over at the southeast camp before that incident and had been leaving you alone for the most part unless you demanded our attention by attacking something.

The reason we blockaded you was to simply give you a hard time because of Rise, not to help JQ. That, and to create a little forum drama…. which worked quite well.

frostshade.3617:

covenn.7165:

frostshade.3617:

You really need to meet tele her staff ele can 1v30 all these eles q.qing jus like people say engis are bad or necros are bad just can’t do anything but faceroll

Staff ele’s are free points if I catch them alone.

YEah, they are viable in a zerg though.

Lololololololol good luck soloing tele who is a staff ele ten people can’t down her don’t think you can

Exaggerate much? I can and would, easily. A staff ele is an actual joke 1v1.

frostshade.3617:

You really need to meet tele her staff ele can 1v30 all these eles q.qing jus like people say engis are bad or necros are bad just can’t do anything but faceroll

Staff ele’s are free points if I catch them alone.

YEah, they are viable in a zerg though.

Spets the MilkBandit.9031:

Roo Stercogburn.9671:

frostshade.3617:

covenn.7165:

Maybe if ele’s weren’t do easy to down, they wouldn’t need that ability. ANET has already been doing heavy handed modifications to them since beta and having been taking away the things they gave them to compensate for having the lowest armor/health pool combination in the game.

Your not playing ele right if your easy to down.. eles are second hardest class to kill after bunker engi

Certain builds possibly. Not everyone plays cookie cutter kitten win.

so you’re telling me you’re running a crap build and are complaining about it? All classes can have terrible builds. get good and design a build that doesnt make you die fast.

The difference is that ele’s have one build that isn’t mostly crap. All the other ones are….. this the entire ‘cookie cutter’ concept you are missing. D/D cookie cutters are hard to take down …anything else is a free bag.

frostshade.3617:

covenn.7165:

Maybe if ele’s weren’t do easy to down, they wouldn’t need that ability. ANET has already been doing heavy handed modifications to them since beta and having been taking away the things they gave them to compensate for having the lowest armor/health pool combination in the game.

Your not playing ele right if your easy to down.. eles are second hardest class to kill after bunker engi

I never said I was easy to down. I said ele’s were.

The only ele’s that are difficult to down are the ones running cookie cutter d/d. Anything other than that spec is a different story. I will go so far as to even say eles with a staff out are free/easy kills.

Kilger.5490:

Good job BG and SoR, youre using the 3 world system correctly. JQ was winning too much and you learned to attack us as a preference. Wouldnt have it any other way, its what keeps wvwvw dynamic. Eventually it will swing again and SoR will be winners, maybe with JQ’s help

sigh ….such a pointless thing to say. Nobody was tag teaming you preferentially.

I realize people feel the need to provide excuses, but that is the wrong one to use. Anyone that knows how 3 sided fights work will see right through it.

wish.1027:

I’d say thats a win for me.

If nobody dies, nobody wins or loses. Silly to claim victory based on health bar percentage especially since you can more or less control when you decide to get health back.

Maybe if ele’s weren’t do easy to down, they wouldn’t need that ability. ANET has already been doing heavy handed modifications to them since beta and having been taking away the things they gave them to compensate for having the lowest armor/health pool combination in the game.

LetoII.3782:

covenn.7165:

wish.1027:

Im in BG BL ATM and down for some duels (Unless youre a super defensive run away bleed thf/ele/engineer, in which case neither of us will win unless youre bad)
wish.3102

Just saw this post of yours from 16 hours ago. I was still at work then anyway.

Maybe we can have a “find out how bad individual TW members are” event before reset.
I’m game to spring for a PvP room.

TW guild brawl in a PvP room sounds interesting. Losers get guild kicked?