Guild Wars 2

Revolution.6301:

November. Remember that month? The month where there was an uproar against ascended gear? I have never read any threads that say they love it no, its always how they want it gone. Oh and in November people had so many issues against ascended gear Colin even commented on it.

So your “facts” are an anecdotal account of people complaining on an internet forum? That’s not a fact. That’s even close to a fact.

And I’ll give you a refresher, since your memory conveniently seems to be failing you. The months leading up to November saw the forums bombarded by just as many complaints about there being nothing to do (i.e. no gear towards which we can grind).

Revolution.6301:

This is solid fact. How am I wrong? If I’m wrong break it apart piece by piece. Don’t ignore any part of my argument or I’ll call your argument unsound.

I’m still waiting for “solid fact”. You’ve presented none. And you, the guy presenting forum chatter as hard evidence of the general population’s opinion, are going to call my argument unsound? That’s rich. That is rich.

Revolution.6301:

And people why is everyone ignoring my Skins should be what we grind for argument?

Because it’s an opinion. I can’t argue against your opinion. I can, however, present to you the facts. The facts are that we can, but are not required to, grind for stats. Content is not gated behind a series of gear checks only passable by those with BiS gear. Until this changes, the “this game is a grind” argument is a baseless one.

Revolution.6301:

Lets be clear. Stats are not optional. Skins are!

Stats are not optional, but Best in Slot stats are. Before you try to ineffectively argue otherwise, name one thing I can’t do in this game unless I’ve got BiS stats. One thing. That’s it. Name one thing and we’ll talk. If you just pull your usual “talk circles around the issue at hand”, you might as well not even bother.

Revolution.6301:

And on the side note your in the minority right now. Keep that in mind too.

Do you have data proving which side is in the minority? No? Then upon what grounds can you make this statement? We have a phrase for baseless statements presented as facts; but seeing as it might be considered rude, I’ll refrain from repeating it here.

Guild Wars 2 is a vast improvement over Guild Wars. Why? It fixes so many things Guild Wars did wrong; such as stagnant gear progression and a lack of end-game.

Revolution.6301:

You can’t call Gw2 an improvment over the original Guild Wars

Too late…I just did.

vespers.1759:

darkace.8925:

vespers.1759:

FRACTALS. are you blind? this was mentioned at least 20 times (and you said it yourself several times)

Okay, then answer me this. If ascended gear is required to complete Fractals, and if ascended gear was originally obtained only in Fractals, then how did anyone ever manage to get ascended gear in the first place. You’ve created for yourself a Catch 22 that doesn’t exist.

alright i’m done. i’ve actually lost IQ points reading this.

Ad hominem. “Why answer the question when the answer destroys my very argument when I can just insult him instead?”

Dante.1508:

But as new content goes this was a waste of coding, why would i try to get a hundred players to coordinate such a painful experience against opposing guilds trying to do the same for no reward… great job

Because you’re not a selfish guild member only interested in what you get out of it? I mean, clearly you are; but in general, one helps out guild members because they’re not selfish.

critickitten.1498:

Would you like to explain why they should have to submit themselves to a boring grind for it? Why the pursuit of the best gear can’t be both challenging and enjoyable?

We’ve covered this; it’s a carrot on a stick. The fact that you don’t like carrots on a stick doesn’t mean they should be removed from the game. Remember, there are others who do enjoy chasing carrots. They’re not wrong for wanting them, just as you aren’t wrong for not wanting them.

There’s something, though, to note about “challenging” and “enjoyable”; these things are subjective. What you find challenging, another might find frustrating. What you find enjoyable, another might hate.

We, the community, don’t all share the same values. Accordingly, ArenaNet has to try to give each of us a little of what we want. This means compromise. You want quick access to BiS gear. ArenaNet didn’t give you what you wanted, but they compromised by not implementing stringent gear checks.

critickitten.1498:

darkace.8925:

Sinoran.9140:

Ascended gear is optional.

It’s as simple as that, and yet there’s no shortage of people foolishly arguing the opposite.

So is exotic gear.

So why do you bother decking your character out in exotic gear?

Not because I have to. Because I want to. Because I enjoy doing so. The moment…the exact millisecond gearing my characters ceases to be fun is the exact millisecond I’ll stop bothering.

Sinoran.9140:

Ascended gear is optional.

It’s as simple as that, and yet there’s no shortage of people foolishly arguing the opposite.

Soooo much bullcrap in this thread.

Victory.2879:

Dailies are tedious, repetitive, and force you to do something you don’t really want to be spending your time doing.

In what way are you forced to do dailies?

vespers.1759:

that’s just insane. pvp requires you to have the best gear to be competitive.

First, PvP freely gives everyone access to the same gear. Second, there are plenty of people who compete competitively in WvW without the best gear. That you believe otherwise is a clear indication that you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

Geikamir.6329:

If you like gear grind EVERY other MMO was designed for you. If you don’t like the gear treadmill, what MMO do us players have? It was supposed to be GW2.

So now, with the addition of ascended gear, you cannot play Guild Wars 2 without grinding for gear? You cannot enjoy whatever it is you enjoyed about the game before the addition of ascended gear?

Dante.1508:

Anyway i hope things change asap..Ascended should have been acquired exactly the same way as all the other armor, weapon and trinket types in exactly the same paths, people would have gotten them faster than others but…. who really cares?

Ascended gear was added precisely because exotic gear was too easy to obtain. Do you not remember all the “there’s nothing to do” posts back in the day? ArenaNet added ascended gear to placate the people who wanted a carrot on a stick. And now the other camp is demanding the carrot on the stick be removed. Now matter what they do, the developers are just going to be trading one group of whiners for another.

vespers.1759:

are you using two accounts to support yourself? that’s pretty low…

I don’t need the support, I’ve got logic on my side.
It’s illogical to spend your gaming time doing something you don’t enjoy.
It’s illogical to assume your dissatisfaction with dailies is universally shared.

Geikamir.6329:

Not everyone likes carrot and stick game play. Just because that’s the current ‘generic’ doesn’t mean it has to be.

And some people DO like carrots on sticks. Just because you don’t, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be.

vespers.1759:

you clearly didn’t understand my post at all. go re-read it again.

We perfectly understand your point. Your point is “because I measure my self-worth in gear score, I’m worthless until I have BiS gear. And I don’t want to be worthless, so I want BiS gear NOW!”

vespers.1759:

FRACTALS. are you blind? this was mentioned at least 20 times (and you said it yourself several times)

Okay, then answer me this. If ascended gear is required to complete Fractals, and if ascended gear was originally obtained only in Fractals, then how did anyone ever manage to get ascended gear in the first place. You’ve created for yourself a Catch 22 that doesn’t exist.

vespers.1759:

)although yes i guess it does make you irrelevant when you can’t complete content because you lack the gear.)

Which is? I’m still waiting for you to name one thing I I cannot do unless I’m wearing full exotics or better. Just one…

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Again, learn to read. He is talking about groups requiring you to be fully geared in exotics. Speed clear groups do this a lot for example.

You seem to have a lot of trouble reading what is actually being said before you open your mouth to something unrelated. Take the time to read first before responding. Will save you the trouble of having to explain yourself later.

Oh, so we’re going to move the goalpost by saying “yeah, you can do everything. But can can you do it in X amount of time?”

vespers.1759:

some of us enjoy being relevant

So having ascended gear makes you relevant, and having exotic gear makes you irrelevant? My good sir/madam, I do believe you’re doing it wrong.

somsom.5201:

Or any of the myriad of groups starting to require Ascended gear. We all know that Exotic is a requirement now. To suggest that Ascended won’t be at some point…please, don’t kid yourself.

Name one thing…just one…that I cannot do unless I have exotic equipment. Not ascended…exotic. Just one…

vespers.1759:

except fractals…

You can complete individual Fractals without ascended gear. You cannot Fractals as a whole, ascended gear or no, because it’s infinite.

vespers.1759:

and if people can complete everything with lower tiers of gear wouldn’t that also make exotics useless?

Exotic gear, like ascended gear, is not useless. But neither is it a requirement. It’s a luxury; nothing more, nothing less. If guys want to bash your heads against a wall doing things you don’t enjoy for luxuries, go ahead. I think it’s foolish, but it’s your prerogative.

vespers.1759:

1. by “can” do you mean you can go in and attempt, or that you can complete it? because technically you could enter a dungeon/wvwvw naked. doesn’t mean you’re going to do well.

The only thing I can’t successfully complete using just exotics is Fractals, and that’s because Fractals is never-ending. So I’ll say it again, this time with no ambiguity: There is NOTHING you can successfully complete with full ascended gear that I can’t successfully complete with full exotics.

somsom.5201:

Off I go to do my daily and wait until the next one comes along. Yippee!!! Such fun.

If you don’t enjoy it, then why do it? Oh yeah, gotta keep up with the virtual Joneses. Illogical, but I guess it’s your prerogative.

stof.9341:

darkace.8925:

What’s left? Do you people seriously think BiS gear obtained with no investment of time or effort?

Also, as to your last question, yes it should. I sincerely believe it should. I bought that game because I was lead to believe it would be like that.

If you truly believe that, then you grossly misinterpreted something somewhere along the way.

stof.9341:

Strange, people complain when their hard worked for exotics suddenly become obsolete and you need to replace them. Who would have thought?

If exotic equipment is obsolete, then why am I able to do everything you can do with ascended equipment in exotics?

stof.9341:

They did? Didn’t notice. So far we had to run fractals to get the rings. Then they added a time gated way to get them with laurels. Problem is, I HAVE to use those laurels to get the necklace, so I cannot spend them for rings. So in the end, they didn’t really add a new way to get the rings.

As for that, then necklaces still only have one way to get them : Laurels. The mystic crafted one doesn’t count since it’s only one bad stat set it provides.

So far, they didn’t add new ways to get the ascended gear I for me.

Obtained from Fractals? “I don’t want to grind a dungeon for BiS gear.”
Obtained from Dailies? “I don’t want to wait to get BiS gear.”
Obtained via Gold? “It don’t want to grind gold for BiS gear.”
Obtained from Gem Store? “I don’t want to pay2win for BiS gear.”
Obtained from challenging fights? “It’s too hard to get BiS gear.”

What’s left? Do you people seriously think BiS gear obtained with no investment of time or effort?

Leo Paul.1659:

So let me ask you, why then would people want to reach level 99 instead of 98, to equip exotics instead of rares? That’s the answer as to why people want to get ascended too. But the effort:reward ratio initially introduced in guild wars (in terms of base BiS equipments) have been kittened off by the ascended tier.

I think stopping at 98 instead of getting 99 is more akin to not equipping an amulet rather than equipping a masterwork amulet over a BiS one. But I respect that you might not feel the same way.

Now let me ask you a question. If that last level, 99, is a boring grind…one offering no enjoyment and minimal benefit…why do it? If you can do everything almost as well at 98, why subject yourself to something you don’t need and won’t enjoy?

Too many of you are hung up on gear scores (which the game doesn’t even have). This is compounded by a widespread sense of entitlement. Far too many gamers feel they’re entitled to BiS gear with little or no invested effort. So many of you are so conditioned to chase the BiS that you’ve forgotten the fundamental purpose of video games…to have fun.

Leo Paul.1659:

Although it doesn’t affect you as you are ok with settling, technically, you’ve merely decided to settle [quit] at a certain point because not finishing the game as originally intended by the design doesn’t bother you. Like deciding to stop reading a book or watching a series because you have an idea on how it’s gonna end anyway.

Not even close. The “design of the game” isn’t gear. That’s the whole point. BiS gear is great if that’s your personal goal, but the game wasn’t designed around it. It was designed to let you enjoy the various aspects without requiring your to have BiS gear.

vespers.1759:

darkace.8925:

vespers.1759:

that’s the whole point here. it takes way way way too long.

Translation: “I want my best in slot gear now!!!.” /stamps foot

haha you have to attack me because you have no response to my argument.

GG!

If you think that was an attack…

But let’s assume for a moment it was. Just a few minutes ago you posted…

vespers.1759:

my you must have a good life.

Pot, meet kettle.

vespers.1759:

that’s the whole point here. it takes way way way too long.

Translation: “I want my best in slot gear now!!!.” /stamps foot

kenshinakh.3672:

It’s simple logic o.O.

Logic, even simple logic, is often wasted on the irrational.

vespers.1759:

did you even read? you DO NEED this gear for fractals.

Fractals of the Mist were added in November of 2012.
Laurels were added in January of 2013.

Care to explain how people did Fractals before Laurels were added if equipment obtained with Laurels were required to do them?

vespers.1759:

so you’re saying you just stop doing everything/anything when you dislike something about it rather than try to fix it?

No, I’m saying it doesn’t need fixing. It’s not broken; you’re approach to the game is.

vespers.1759:

my you must have a good life.

Confirmation in the form of an ad hominem wasn’t needed; I already know everything I need to know about you from your previous post.

Berry.3186:

What I fear is the characters looking too similar. I actually wanted to save the Thief so I could create a Tengu Thief or whatever a newly added race will offer. The Engineer could be Human and the Guardian Charr.

Between races, varying armor styles, and dyes, you can make two adventurer characters look very different. Just in generic medium armor you can get a pirate/swashbuckler look, a naval officer look, a gunslinger look, or a rogue/assassin look.

Berry.3186:

What do you think in terms of matching each profession to a race? What would you recommend? (I don’t know for Asura, they are really a bit too small I wanna see my armor and grow my kitten^^)

That’s a subjective answer. The correct answer for this questions is “whatever you want”. Take a look at cultural armors for the varying races, they might inspire you to choose a race and class combination.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cultural_armor

Astral Projections.7320:

Yeah. I have read about the gardens in WoW and it sounded interesting. Something to do just to waste some time and to get mats also. Maybe even be able to grow one of each type of tree, like a soft wood or ancient wood. You should be required to water/fertilize the plants in order to harvest within the next 24 hours.

This would give people a reason to go to their home instance and give them something do while there.

I don’t know how WoW does it, but in FFXI is was simply a system that allowed us to plant seeds in pots we’d placed in our houses. It wasn’t much, but I’m sure AN could do much to expand it; making it both more visually pleasing and more interactive.

Nalora.7964:

I actually get more chocolate from separatists in the Fields of Ruin than any place else.

Are there any DEs with waves of separatists in FoR? I know of one where you escort a diplomat to the summit and another where a separatist wanted out, but those are the only two I can think of off the top of my head.

vespers.1759:

i’m also not required to get exotics, or do dungeons, or level at all. if i wanted to i could stand in a field and /dance 24h a day so does that mean we shouldn’t try to fix things we find ridiculous?

That’s EXACTLY right. If you don’t find getting exotics, doing dungeons, or leveling at all to be fun, you’d be a kitten fool to waste time doing it. The simple solution…the ONLY solution…is to find something you enjoy doing and do that. And if you can’t find anything you enjoy doing, then it’s time to find another game to play. Period.

vespers.1759:

your argument is terrible.

No, it isn’t. That you think it is tells me all I need to know about you.

Blackers.7512:

I’n my opionion it’s not as bad as the Abyss & Celestial combo… getting really tired of seeing people only wearing those colours.

Sure you’re gonna want to show off the rare dyes you have, but i just feel peoples creativity is sacrificed as a resualt.

The people (generally speaking) were never creative to begin with.

“Stop with Time Sinks / Dailies”

Why? So we can replace one set of complaints (time sinks) with another (nothing to do)?

Protip: you’re not required to do dailies if you don’t want to. I, myself, appreciate being rewarded for something I was going to do anyway.

I just spent an hour farming pirates; assuming they, like bandits, dropped bags containing chocolate. I waited until I was done before opening a fairly large stack of bags only to find oranges…lots and lots of oranges. Needless to say I felt foolish for not checking ahead of time.

I’m in the process of clearing out my discovery panel on my characters, and chocolate is the only thing I’m having trouble keeping stocked (mostly because of the various ice creams). So any advice on where best to obtain chocolate will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

From someone who’s currently saving up to purchase this armor, I’m surprised and disappointed to learn the gold trim in the cloth isn’t dye-able.

It would be nice if at some point you added new recipes for cooking (might I suggest fish and seafood recipes to compliment the Fishing system I hope you’re developing) granting Power and Toughness.

Berry.3186:

I fear that the Thief might be too similar to the Mesmer in gameplay, is that true?

That depends entirely on how you spec’d your mesmer and how you intend to spec your thief.

Any food suggestions for a 30/20/0/0/20 (primarily PvE) staff elementalist? I’m thinking about Ghost Pepper Poppers for the extra damage during the day and the extra crowd control during the night? Thanks for any advice.

Ricky Da Man.5064:

Alot of goldsink talk here, explain why a gold sink is important?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation

Waypoints are a necessary gold sink.

dani.1956:

Does it realy matters if the events are worth doing or not ? Its about me getting kick to overflow ( that got no event at all ) because some guests are in the server I’m in with their alts to leech the chest !

So it’s perfectly fine for you to attend these events, but when others do it they’re leeching? Sounds about right…

This isn’t a post about how useful Home Instance are or are not. This is about making them more useful while giving us a casual time-sinking activity while giving us reliable access to rarer cooking materials; thus killing a many birds with one stone.

I’d love it if every home instance had a garden node (featuring as many plants as other node farms) in which we could plant seeds (gold sink). I’d propose each plant generate a random ingredient, depending upon the type of seed planted: fruits, vegetables, roots vegetables, herbs, and regional seeds producing things found in specific regsions (like chili peppers from Ascalonian seeds or sesame seeds from Krtan seeds).

In my FFXI days I always had a full set of 10 pots/mule growing something. It wasn’t necessarily fun, but it was useful. I’d personally like something similar in this game.; especially since I’m always short on chili peppers.

Thoughts?

TempestRime.1254:

You can still select Elonian as your heritage when Logan asks you about it in the story missions, IIRC. Since they’re already represented in this manner, it seems pretty unlikely.

I’ve repressed the memory of that fact, as it flies directly in the face of what it is I’m hoping for.

Danielapsama.1672:

I think what you’re actually asking for is an Elona expansion. In which case i’m sure a lot of people are all thinking the same.

Kind of. There’s no doubt we’ll get an Elonian expansion. They’ve already placed a gate to the Crystal Desert, which I’m assuming will be opened up with an Elonian expansion. Whenever we figth Kralk, I (and I doubt I’m alone) assume we’ll do it on Elonian soil.

What I’m hoping is that it isn’t just a “new zones, new dungeons, and increased level cap” expansion. I know it won’t be a stand alone campaign, as it was in the first game; but I’m hoping we’ll still get a new race, complete with personal story, and a city and explorable zones running from level 1 to 50(ish).

Kaizer.7135:

We’d only get Elonian faces and skin types when there’s a Elona expansion, it’s what they did with GW1. Every campaign had a different set of faces, hair & skin tone.

It’s not so much the fact, skin tones, or hair styles that I’m hoping for (though more options is never a bad thing). It’s the voice acting. I’ve already got a level 80 human. All others I’ve made, because of the shared voice acting, home city, and biographies, feels to much like reskinned versions of my level 80 human (choice of class notwithstanding).

I’d love…I’d plop down money for…an optional voice actor for different human ancestries. But because voice acting is costly, and because what they already have in place works just fine, this isn’t going to happen.

Substance E.4852:

How are Elonans a “seperate race”? In GW1 they were just people of African and Mediterranean decent as per their culture themes.

How are they not a different race?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28human_classification%29

schizandra.4587:

I would pitch a fit and never shut up if Elonians or Canthans were presented to us a new “playable race.” That would just be uncreative on Anet’s part, not to mention lazy.

Uncreative? Maybe. Lazy? I don’t see how developing entirely new storylines, cities, and zones could be considered lazy.

I know humans, all humans, have been rolled into one homogeneous race. But I’d personally like a distinctive Elonian race, complete with their own personal stories, voice actors, zones, and city. I’m sure this is just a case of wishful thinking, but I’m hoping to be pleasantly surprised. Anyone else?

I’d say the same thing about Canthans, but I’m quite certain that’s not going to happen.