Guild Wars 2

“Used in conjunction with slivers, fragments, shards, cores, and lodestones in the Mystic Forge. "

mystic agent+lodestone+?+?=?

I just dont think salvaging is affected by any modificators like magic find or DR. Just no reason for it, you (or another player) already won rng game when looted those items. No need to penalty you twice.

When we talk about drop rates we all know we can’t go back and play pre-november game and we can’t prove our words. Only devs can retreive it from code repository and test.

In same time ecto “DR”(?) is much easier to prove(ok, 35 gold to craft 100 items may be too expensive to many people). But nobody proved it. I think if this problem is exists, we can find at least one man who can find 35 gold to test it. May be i missed it, can you provide me with link?

I do “even” numbers to progress, so every 2nd day i go to fractal 1 lvl higher. Never disconnected. Never experienced any lag. Just for statistics.

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Lets talk math. Today, average price of t5 craft fine is a bit over 2s 50c. That is 38 gold, just on fines, to create 100 items to net you your claimed 90 ecto. Ecto is priced at 38s each on TP today. You would lose money. If you include silk, threads, and cost of master salvage kits, you would lose a pretty good pile of money.

I don’t want to argue with such arguments like you provide. It is not math.

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

ezd.6359:

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Still not enough info. Try to craft 100 yellow items of 80 lvl (light armor masks for example) and salvage them with most expensive kit from vendor. I receive ~90 ectos from same amount items salvaged.

I read something like this and wonder if I am playing GW2 in some alternate reality. I can’t visualize having enough fines to ever craft 100 rare 80 items. 1500? at the current prices of that level? with this drop rate? Posts like this floor me. Your game is not what I am experiencing.

My experience? 12 level 80 rare loots since my char got to that level in early December. Easy to count, as I saved them to salvage. Black Lion Kit. 3 ectos.

The RNG hates me so much, that putting 4 Level 50 rare crafted chests into the Mystic Toilet gained me.. nothing? Everyone tells me “nothing” is impossible, yet, that is what I got.

Use trading post to buy mats. Since t5 mats, 80 lvl yellows and ecto are tied to each other – buying, crafting and salvaging it with good salvage kit (Master’s Salvage Kit) should not lead to money loss.

You think 100 items is too much, right? When i worked for my legendary gifts i crafted much more items. Just one stage – http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4964/ectossource.jpg

Please do your own tests before report. “17 ectos from unknown amount of items salvaged with unknown salvage kits” – not enough info to make conclusions, not even close.

Try and post here how many items salvaged, salvage kit used (i recommend Master’s Salvage Kit), ectos received.

wildcode.5403:

TRON.1085:

Also had a huge drop in ecto’s from salvaging rares, most of the time now, zero ecto’s….ever since patch.

I’ve been saying this for a while, but I kept getting called a lier.

I got my first rare in days today, from a dragon chest of all places. I did manage to salvage an ecto from it.

To give you an idea of my “bad luck” I haven’t used ectos in about 2 months, instead saving them up every time I get one from salvaging a rare. In 2 months, I have managed to get 17 ecto’s from salvaging rares, 2 months, 17 ectos, rounding thats roughly 1 ecto every 3 and a half days. At this rate to get enough ectos for full set of exotic armour, jewels, and just 1 weapon will take me another 150 days (if my luck holds out).

Rare drops are extremely rare, and ecto salvage using BLSK is also rare.

Still not enough info. Try to craft 100 yellow items of 80 lvl (light armor masks for example) and salvage them with most expensive kit from vendor. I receive ~90 ectos from same amount items salvaged.

ColinJohanson.2394:

Just wanted to give a quick update on this topic. We’ve completed verifying every update from the november release, and there were zero changes to anything what so ever that would have negatively affected loot in any way/shape/form. We can officially confirm this as an X-files level conspiracy at this point.

We’re in the midst of evaluating every loot table in the game and running massive random roll evaluations table by table, as well as evaluating every system game wide that causes a player to qualify for items to determine if any issues exist in those systems from launch.

Will update again when we have another round of concrete information.

Can you check some patches before mid november patch, please? I still think it could be some days before karka patch.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Game_updates/November_2012 – wiki has three entries regarding possible problems.

Update – 14 November 2012
“Fixed diminishing return for dungeon rewards in explorable mode on all servers. "

Update – 05 November 2012
“Corrected drop rate for Unidentified Dye. "

And an interesting note: "On November 1, we introduced a change that unintentionally increased the drop rate of Unidentified Dye. Today’s game update corrects the drop rate for Unidentified Dye. "

I think, these changes deserve some time too.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

ezd.6359:

Maw – is the easiest boss. Why skip it? I against do 10-10-12-12-14-14 etc

because he’s not killable an higher scale it’s not killable on higher scales! that’s why I talked of 50 not about 10 …

It is killable. People do 80 already! How? Just a couple of tricks with resurects. I can’t explain it, my english is not good enough for it. But you can find solutions in internet.

1 Laurel Vendor? Wtf? Just talk to him?

Maw – is the easiest boss. Why skip it? I against do 10-10-12-12-14-14 etc

I collected all materials, crafted all gifts (almost in same time)… three months ago… now i pray to RNG gods drop me a precursor.

Report them! I hope they will be banned forever!

zaniix.9074:

When will then be now? Soon!

Chill out people. You act like the game has stopped working until its patched, just play and have fun the patch will happen when it happens.

It is indeed stoppped. I don’t want to be kicked from dungeon on last boss. Since arena.net don’t want to tell us time, we can’t plan anything.

Vorch.2985:

ezd.6359:

I think it is funny to see people that were kicked from dungeons on last boss, because they can’t kill him in 3:30 minutes. I like to see how they defame developers for theirs lack of respect and professional skills. How devs close topics because theirs players base is from stupid kids that can’t assess theirs sense of humor about “when it’s done”

What do you think guys?

this post is unreadable. I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Sorry for my english, it is not my native language. I just tried to say they must reveal ETA! In other way we will see many QQ threads on these forums.

I think it is funny to see people that were kicked from dungeons on last boss, because they can’t kill him in 3:30 minutes. I like to see how they defame developers for theirs lack of respect and professional skills. How devs close topics because theirs players base is from stupid kids that can’t assess theirs sense of humor about “when it’s done”

What do you think guys?

Emm… laptop mouse?

0*anything == 0

Patch notes clearly state “champions drop something”. In-game – they don’t drop anything sometimes (most of times tbh). No need to build special tools to prove it.

New tools… It sounds like one man created a crypt algorithm and declered 1000 years to break it. Instead of analysing it, they decide to make a tool that will try to bruteforce it. I am sure, they will find solution a day before end of time.

Since they don’t plan to investigate the issue and build strange tools instead, i think they will not repair it until someone in arena.net will say “Stop this kitten and fix it NAO!”.

Aproposs Of Fire.4056:

kuroioni.3147:

The post you so eagerly are thanking for is nothing more than a glorified “yeeeah… we’re ‘looking into’ this”. Which, by the way, at this time is simply ridiculous.

I know what his post was about – I did read it. My post was about the new posters in this thread adding their experiences. I believe it’s important to encourage players to report their bad loot observations and show that this is a problem affecting more than just a few players.

I post to urge people to add their voices and not be intimidated into silence (and by the way, too bad, I’m not intimidated by poster I quoted above).

Now – This Zam interview [“ZAM speaks to ArenaNet’s Game Director on the future of GW2” dated today] addresses the time vs. reward issue of Vets and Champs among other things:

taken from http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=31615&storypage=3

Zam Interviewer Jarimor:
Along with a need for increasing the fun of fighting non-standard mobs, Johanson was also clear that more incentive is needed to get players leaping on creatures, such as veterans or champions, rather than sneaking around them to hit nodes. This is good news for those who have repeatedly slammed against high HP mobs, only to get a Dark Stained Claw.

Colin Johanson:
“A lot of what we’re looking at this year is how do we ensure that our reward systems are strong enough across all of these creatures in the game and all the things you do to make it worthwhile. One of the things we want to do is to make sure we’re not forcing you to go play one specific part of the game as the best way to be rewarded. We want you to pick the parts of the game that you’re excited about and you want to play and ensure that you’re being rewarded for doing that. Making these creatures more exciting is one thing but we have to make sure you’re rewarded for the time you put into them as well.”

It’s very nice that Jarimor and Zam (perhaps following this thread) thought it important to probe for a response about time vs. reward from Champions. “This is good news for those who have repeatedly slammed against high HP mobs, only to get a Dark Stained Claw.” Thanks!

We will have 0*2^10000 drop rate from champs? Yay!

Aproposs Of Fire,
In two months you can rework loot system completely, not just investigate how it works step by step. I dont want to insult anyone, but two months! What should i think about theirs analytical abilities? Do you really think two months is not enough? I start to think that was an intended change and they don’t work at it at all.

Many people left the game already. I think about it too. I just don’t know what to do in game. I just login, do daylies and off again. I have all items i want except legendary (all gifts for it are ready). Btw, i got 3 different precursors from MF and it costed me >1000 yellows per. I got about 1 yellow from drop, and may be 1 from dragons chests last week. I can’t buy enough materials to craft and put them in MF (btw they said drop should be not worse than craft). How many years should i spend just to get precursor? I don’t think this goal worth my real life.

Seems arena thinks having no fun for two months in their game is ok and is not a problem. They have not enough data to make decision… TWO MONTHS kitten i lose my hopes in arena.net

Awesome.6120:

I’m not really playing asura anymore for exactly this reason. The endgame is cosmetic gear but asura are so small it’s almost impossible for anyone else to see what you’re wearing.

I buy items for myself. I know what items i wear and it is more important to me.

Yes. You can’t see details on asuras from long range but simple items still look nice.
http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/4070/gw410.jpg

I just found this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va9IHEjyQQ4

Death Reincarnated.3570:

So I thought I re-read the OP’s post. Here are our anwsers (bolded).

Stephane Lo Presti.7258:

Hi,

We’ve seen reports from players questioning the randomness of the drop mechanisms in GW2 and in particular asking if it’s been changed recently. This is not the case and we don’t think that the randomness mechanism is misbehaving, but we’re running some data to be sure there isn’t anything unexpected going on. So far nothing shows anything suspicious but we’ll keep gathering data and analyzing it.

Well that about anwsers our questions. Nothing is wrong. Countless porous bones is a naturall occurrence. They do not need to respond back because everything is working as intended. What the kitten do we know about DR, right? Random drops equates to getting junk more often than not. Yep, it all makes sense now. They are right, we are wrong.

Case closed.

Nope. Logic: we had better loot prior to november patches. 15 nov promised better loot (not even close). Conclusion: something went wrong.

I still think something went wrong earlier. In my opinion since the patch fixing unidentified dyes http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Game_updates/2012-11-05

morphemass.2850:

ColinJohanson.2394:

This project was delayed in favor of having the specific folks required to build it skill-set wise working on solidifying the core of the game. You’ll hear more about our ecosystem in the future, but we’re not actively working on this project, in favor of making sure the core game itself is as fun and rewarding as possible.

Edited to add: We’ll discuss what sort of projects we’re doing instead in more detail in the blog post later this week, and even in more detail as the Jan/Feb/March releases get closer.

Colin, you do realize that there has been a VERY talented and involved developer community drawn to GW2 and all you have to do is release the APIs to enable us to write this stuff? While I understand that any company looks first at how best to monetarise it’s assets, where the resources cannot be justified for development this is often an ideal opportunity to engage and empower your community…

^ this
Just provide us with API.

Columba.9730:

that bow damage is better than ranger bow damage. sorry, perma stealth, best dps and highest run speeds makes this class stupidly overpowered right now.

Try to use high level exotic bow

BTW. I think i noticed overall drop rate decrease first time after patch fixing drop rate of unidentified dyes (~6 november).

Btw, you can make destroyer lodestones from cores, it will be cheaper a bit, but requires skill points.

I don’t think it will be cheaper than:
(exotic components + lowest destroyer lodestone price x30) * 1.15 + margin

Place order for 30 destroyer lodestones and find a friend who can craft it for you.

No, it is because this “skin” requires exotic components +30 lodestones I don’t think they share the skin with cheaper recipes.

Strange question… Craft it mb?
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9520/gw406s.jpg

Murashin.8602:

ezd.6359:

Ok. And what about lodestones?

They are very rare! 2 gold * 100 = same problems with precursors :-/

No: there is not any similar problem, cause if you do at least 2 fractal runs you are sure to get a (random) Lodestone, so Lodestones have a big drop rate.

200 Gold are nothing more than the price of a Tier III outfit: ANet give you a precursor AND you ask them to increase the Lodestone drop rate or “lower their price”? You are a casual player.

Your opinion about how casual i am is very important to me… not. If you have no real life – it is your personal problems.

And look at the date of my post. Everything was different.

Now i have everything for my legendary but precursor for about a month or so.
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/7626/prelegendary.jpg

I spent hundreds of rares since that.

Even if NOW lodestones are more available, it does not matter, arena must decrease grind time in the game. What if i want to make another legendary? If i want to level up 2-3 twinks and want them to look good (+ 2-3 legendaries), should i sacrifice my real life for it? I dont think so. Game must deliver fun to gamers. I dont care if everyone will run around with legendaries, i want mine because i want! It is why i play games! If game does not make me happy – i dont play it. Very simple.

How do you know it is not a bug? Are you a developer from arena.net? Or you just want so?

I can imagine many things how to stop autoattacking. But i dont want to fight stupid mechanic. And i dont need advices how to do so. I want it to be fixed.

Binary Rain.4869:

ezd.6359:

ezd.6359:

Steal (+ Hidden Thief) and all other stealth skills while using pistol autoattack do not work.

3 days later… bug still exists…
It is a “game breaker” bug! If my english does not make it clear, i recorded video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-zq-eX_6hE We need fix asap!

This is not a bug, you are just not properly timing your stealth. You stealthed right as your pistol shot hit, thus causing you to go out of stealth.

I know what happens here. It MUST not be so! Otherwise i quit playing thief until they buf him to warrior damage + armor + hp + 0 dmg abilites etc. It is nearly impossible to catch moments between animations. Some skills are designed to be useful anytime, like “steal” or teleport.

If my defence mechanic does not work on demand it puts me in disadvantage.

I think, they reworked stealth mechanic (no patch notes, of course, who ever interested in it?) but not tested it properly.

ezd.6359:

Steal (+ Hidden Thief) and all other stealth skills while using pistol autoattack do not work.

3 days later… bug still exists…
It is a “game breaker” bug! If my english does not make it clear, i recorded video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-zq-eX_6hE We need fix asap!

I really think GW2 will never be e-sport (or not in near future). I look at classes balance, i read what “casuals” (no offence) write in topics (especially about thieves) and what devs do with it. If they will not change direction from “satisfy casuals expectations”, game will become more “easy to learn” than “hard to master”. More faceroll, less improvisation – it is not what i want to see in competitive game.

Also, they make more arenas with randoms, it is not a challenge for serious players. Or they just want to test ours patience, how long we can endure theirs… emm… not smart moves.

Really? Are you kidding me? We have:
eles – best glass cannons + cc + survivability + escapes (unkillable)
guardians – best cc and survivabilty (unkillable)
warriors – best damage + cc + escapes + medium survivability
mesmers – very good BURST, incredible confusing abilities to just disappear from combat (almost unkillable if they want to)

Someone still complain about thieves. Guys, really, get some experience with every class before complain.

Wrong mail? Always use right click→send mail function!

They drop nothing for me even with 150% MF gear

Since my two thoughts were deleted because someone thinks that was too rude. I will use simple words: delete this class – problem solved, nobody will whine anymore.

When thieves were just announced i thought “Wow! This class is designed for me, i like this game style.” I was happy to play as a thief in 1st beta week end. Two-three months of the game promised long good future. 5 months later… WoW i-can-only-click-1-button-a-second-players started to describe how bad their life is.

Seems gw2 will be another pvp game with stealth class nerfed under plinth. Nothing new. May be in next game we will have fun from playing this play style.

Sorry for my english…

LoL. Why no escape? WHY? Because you want to, right? All classes have mechanics to be more strong. Why do you ask to nerf thieves mechanics? Because it is easier than learn to play your class or to train reaction?

At this moment – invisibility is the worst defence mechanic. Worse than heavy armor, “0 damage to me” abilities, infinite evades etc.

Stealth lasts too small amount of time thieves receive all damage all this period, unless they used dodge just after going into stealth. But they can evade attacks same way without going into stealth.

To make stealth viable def mechanic, arena.net must increase time of stealth and break every channeling skill. You whine about nerf? huh? Try to play thief first. And no, your kill another noob with 2-2-2-2 i will not count as proof.

I tried all classes and thieves are easiest enemies. Especially when they think 2-2-2-2-2 is a great idea.

But to be honest, they must rework many thief skills, because (LOL) 2-2-2-2 is really one of the best tactics. It was designed to 2-2-2-2 only, others skills do not work well. I want more usable skills! 4-5 almost not usable in serious combat.

Every class has great combos and sinergy of skills like charge+control+burst, they dont need to spam one button, because they have other great skills! Only thieves having initiative are cursed to use 2-2-2-2-2 only. Evade two attacks and kill him easy with one burst. I give you this idea for free. It works for me and may be will work for you unless you use your skills with mouse clicks.

Why everyone thinks he must be able to avoid all thives attacks and thives must not escape from his overwhelming skill panel mouseclicks?

Steal (+ Hidden Thief) and all other stealth skills while using pistol autoattack do not work.

I continue take shots after stealth (not targeted before) by various skills like thief short bow autoattack randomly attacks me.

Guardian “pull” pulls me (in stealth) too.

Roll for initiative has 0.5-1 second lag before it breaks stun. While berserk thieves or warriors can 100% > 10% in a second, it is absolutely not acceptable.

Stealth should be ultimate survival ability, not just uselss smoking effect. Or give thieves more tougness/vitality. At this moment, thieves is the less fun and most difficult class in game.

I tried to play condition pistol thief today and it is absolutely annoying. I got more stress than pleasure.

Haha. They forgot to update mini-map

I am experiencing troubles with this event too. When they start to gather water and mobs start to spawn, these trolls try to suicide, they run into AOE and die :-/

Happened just now. My last daily failed. GG :/

I want more Tower Defence type maps and not only all together against mobs, but with some sort of competition between players. And be rewarded for better stats! I loved many SC2/War3 tower defence maps and played them hundreds of times.

Another type of map i want to see is – footmen wars.

And please, leave them in game forever, not only for events. I really miss other types of arenas like JQ or FA from GW1.

Just let people choose what type of map they want to play (with or against other players). “Everything has a place in the Eternal Alchemy!” ©

Lrdrahl.6120:

Dont know if this will be read but,

You OBVIOUSLY changed the drop rate from the
icebrood elementals and more specifically the minor icebrood elementals drop nothing anymore, ever. 60 minors killed 0 drops of any kind.

Vicious claws drop rate from greater elementals also seen massive reduction.

0 info in patch notes……anywhere

That was ninja nerf, yes. No patch notes, yes. But they declared (can’t find proof) something like “summoned mobs must not drop anything”. Bug fixed

Aproposs Of Fire.4056:

ezd.6359:

Also we can not accept such sentences like these:

Please also note that 1/4 of these sessions is in Level 15-18.

…not counting events, hearts and the other currencies

Why not? -A

Unknown amount of “other currencies”, really?

It is impossible to assess such things. If you want to compare something, put it in same categories and define all variables.

So how short is this from what is expected? Is this a terribad result? If this is not acceptable what would be an acceptable result from 3 hours of open PvE play not counting events, hearts and the other currencies?

I expect not less than 1g per hour. This time you can have 1.5s from each mithril node, 7.5s from each orichalcum node. It is more profitable to harvest everything around than kill mobs.
so…

TOTAL (for just drops) : 1g 35s 84c

It is too far from my expectations.

Also we can not accept such sentences like these:

Please also note that 1/4 of these sessions is in Level 15-18.

…not counting events, hearts and the other currencies