We don’t have one yet, but we are working on implementing something to stop corpse scouting. That’s all the info I have right now though and there is no ETA.
You could just use this pic as a background for dead chatacters as an easy fix
It will also will help players to get more relaxed after they go down and the community will become more friendly and full of love.How can anyone get be mad at such a cute baby panda <3
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Piken last night was separate guilds roaming pheppo did you not see that?
Not on Piken Bl.But irrelevant.
Confusion stacking glamour build is trully by far the most overpowerd thing in the game but only a very,very few players did manage to master it at 100%.Ofcourse everyone whining about how it was only players being bad ,lmao,never had a clue about how powerfull and downright godmode/i win button is in WvW.IF you still think bringing condition removals would save you to blow yourselves up only by removing the wrong condition instead i only have i thing to say : prove without it how really bad the other players are or forever shut it and suck it up.It’s enough you got away for 8 months with this kind of easymode unbalanced bs.
It is you that has the “skillz” and players of other classes are just bad ?Prove it.Plenty of builds out there for you to show the world how glamour players were the true elite and not the condition or build itself.Easy right ?I’ve played a shatter confusion mesmer since day one, thus have a full grasp of how confusion works, what to watch for, and how to beat it. In all that time (spent almost entirely in WvW) I’ve never lost to a glamour mesmer.
In Tier 1 there are a lot of veteran players (aswell as a higher concentration in general). When our server got to Tier 1, I immediately noticed a difference in players skill level in that the moment I put confusion on a target, they altered their play accordingly. That was condition removing, bunkering builds aside (guardians, eles, stealthing thieves) who could just fight through it.
It’s clear you have little to no experience in confusion combat at higher levels of play.
You made me lol.The part where in t1 players are better is my favourite,l2p comming from a mesmer like i don’t own one apart ^^.
The ammount of l2p and everyone else is a bad player comming from 1 build only is ridiculous.Not even thieves ever used so much l2p combined from the release of the game.Looks like this one was really special.Good luck playing on par with the rest of the “noobs,bad players,etc” now
Oh and Aneu,don’t worry so much about the confusion nerf,you don’t really need it to blob poor puggies in t7.
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Disregarding whether or not confusion is/was OP, it was bad design regardless. The stylistic decisions of this game are designed around forcing players to take action – even auto attacks are spells. A skill that punishes players for doing so, and does so without reactionary direction, is is against the style they promote with their other design decisions.
I disagree. I think it promoted higher skilled gameplay and build/team synergy. Unlike bleed/burning that pulses damage automagically, confusion is damage on skill use. The receiver has full control over the damage they take from it. You could yell over to a buddy to drop a light field and have him spin around in it; that’s higher level gameplay. What it did punish though, like other people have said, are the l0l222spammers and people who have poor awareness/zerker build without condition cleanses. It’s sad that anet chose to listen to these types of people. :\
Only in optimal conditions do they have full control over it. There are many circumstances in wvw where players have no where near full control, whether because of server-side issues, frame rate drops, or other conditions stacked on top of it. I don’t know about you, but server issues are common as dirt when I play.
It wasn’t even that .How many times someone presses condition removal and ups 6.999 hit cuz guess what it removed 1 stack of bleed /facepalm .Now you only need to get past the poison,burn,blind,weakness,vulnerability,chilled,crippled,fear and immobilize.Gambler much? lets see how russian roulete works in WvW. Nice ods
These sort of builds where the enemy damages themselves by not being aware are my favorite in every game and get eventually nerfed in every game because dumb players pay just like smart ones. Guess it’s time for a regen ranger.
Funny how glamour mesmers were the “smartest” players in the game while everyone else were just “dumb players”
Right ?
Oh and nice to add up you go from one roflbuild to another.Helps all the “dumb players” prove their point even better. Gl with your new class.
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Honestly, at this point thinking that Vizunah has multiple blobs and “70+ people” in them during off peak is beyond delusional.
My personal estimate is that Vizunah right now never drops below 300 people in WvW at any time of the day.
when the kitten are we going to drop down a tier? i havent logged on to gw2 for couple of weeks now. am i the only one who thinks tier 1 is boring?
We will never drop because the other servers can play the same “let’s not score too many points” game too and they are doing it. Time to either man up and accept that playing with the big boys implies sacrifices like queues (which are non existent on Deso at the moment anyway), big zergs, skill lag, and getting wiped off the map by a force 5X to 10X yours, or do what nearly everybody else is doing, give the finger to any hope of ever building a serious, stable server-wide WvW community, pretend that WvW actually stands for “GvG” and start the perpetual server hopping in the eternal search for the mythical land of milk and honey.
Nobody in gw2 want’s to play against visunah because ironicly they preffer to play wvw,where with visunah is an endless vortex of sucking the fun out of it at any costs since acording to them “This is how it’s intended to be played”
People finally realized and said no thx.Now they have their own tier just for themselves wich makes me particulary happy to be honest.
Confusion stacking glamour build is trully by far the most overpowerd thing in the game but only a very,very few players did manage to master it at 100%.Ofcourse everyone whining about how it was only players being bad ,lmao,never had a clue about how powerfull and downright godmode/i win button is in WvW.IF you still think bringing condition removals would save you to blow yourselves up only by removing the wrong condition instead i only have i thing to say : prove without it how really bad the other players are or forever shut it and suck it up.It’s enough you got away for 8 months with this kind of easymode unbalanced bs.
It is you that has the “skillz” and players of other classes are just bad ?Prove it.Plenty of builds out there for you to show the world how glamour players were the true elite and not the condition or build itself.Easy right ?
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- Ello ? Who’s there?o.O
-Confusion is getting nerfed.
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I hope they never implement ascended gear obtainable trough WvW .Will encourage the zerg blobbing even more for easy farm .If they do things will get waaaaaaay waaaaaaaay worse than wxp.Will be a sad day for WvW.
Good luck to everyone!
And please at least consider less blobbing .Lag is just insane on Piken border. Winning at score is not really worth it to kill the gameplay.
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Good Lord I’ve too many golden medals and no more space around my neck. Thank you Deso and SFR anyway:)
PVDoor medals are always the best
Except that history is not written by losers.
Would be funny for them doors to write anything at all
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Good Lord I’ve too many golden medals and no more space around my neck. Thank you Deso and SFR anyway:)
PVDoor medals are always the best
OH god ,im gonna hate so much playing against Riverside whenever my guild is offline.It’s gonna be amazingly painfull.Miss the kind of organization RS can pull and Piken
Gl AR in t4
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Your defiantly in the minority, I’m glad you were treated so fairly but as someone who fought RG for months on two different servers/tiers I can assure you they never do that 99.9% of the time, they spend half the time farming pugs in their steamrolling guild zerg(which is very skilled, no doubt about that but that just makes the farming even harsher on pugs tbh)
If you are solo,small group like 2-5-7 ,even 10 to 15 in most cases , no (respectable)guild raid will ever chase you down and will pass few meters from you totally ignoring.
If you taint the beast or happen to sit exactly on it’s path though
.well…maybe move
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We were in the same situation not so long ago because of guilds that joined from other servers. We went up a tier, Q’s went through the roof and we lost a number of good guilds, people realized they hated T2 blobbing and guess what happened? Those guilds that transferred here then disappeared somewhere else not long afterwards leaving people to pick up the pieces and rebuild.
I am not saying the same thing is happening, but it certainly looks that way….
Not even remotely right about what exactly happened but i guess everyone is entitled to their point of view.At least from my POV
You might wanna check that bulb better.It’s not like Visunah ever reported players doing gvg ,made posts against it and even asked Anet to get it banned .Many reasonable players could believe my “suspicion” quite founded to say the least
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Turn your brain on sometimes. It’s just a tool to simplify the organization of GvG for guilds who want to. It’s not a championship nor tournament nor whatzombiever you think.
Take it as granted when i say that
No WvW guild ever would turn to a Visuhnian for ideeas to organize their GvG
Is like asking the solitaire masters to set up a masters poker championship.I hope you can realize the level of “ridicule” in this one.
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Sorry Troma all the respect for your overall spirit personally,but i couldn’t help myself not to LOL when you only try to organize GvG when basicly all the guilds and their mothers left the tier.Only interesting this ideea did not happen in almost 2 months of epic guild aglomeration that was only the most perfect situation that will may not even repeat again in this game.You guys never accepted any GvG invitations and now suddenly you want to organize it yourself ? ? ? I gotta give it to you you are good at what you are doing,even if i don’t really see why your server needs more fake motivators to keep doing pvdoor since you guys obviously is what you play for.
Beeing a Piken native and still @ heart I really hope you guys will manage to mantain a stable population and all this new xfers will not escalade.With even the remote chance that in the next weeks piken will climb up into tier 2 and deso drop from tier 1,the megablobwars will have a awfull impact on your playstile and fun ratio,hell even basic playability.
I’m non purposely trying to denigrate any server playstile but if you guys remember how awfull was to fight ElonaReach back in the days some servers are much worse where they will blob you up with max map population stacked in one square inch all the time making guild play impossible and signet builds the new meta.
Luckily for all of us GH was never a part of any of these situation and are trully a respectable guild that brings quality gameplay to the table.We can only hope things will not change much.
<3<3<3<3 Piken /salute to all of you old friends
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Welcome Golden Horde [GH] to this matchup.Will be fun meeting you guys again on the field.
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Here is an RG video from tier 1 through to our transfer to tier 3. Some GvG vs. VOTF and Nug also.
So we finally understand why Tier 1 is crippled with input lag, ability delay and bad performance : it’s because people are spending their time spamming their ability queued autoattack to death.
About the video overall quality, I really like the editing and filming, very good skills shown, but the music is in my opinion an unwise choice : pushing screwdrivers in their ears would refrain people from watching the entire video length because of blood loss. That sound feels like I have a cheese grater in my head, rolling on my brain like a Nascar circuit running wheat harvesters.
Overall I’d say filming 8, editing 9, music 1 (because we actually hear something).
How about make your own WvW videos and stop being gelly on who 1.actually have an identity as a group 2.they know/or at least try to pvp 3.Have the awesome spirit to help this game and community grow
unlike 1.Be a forum warrior 2.Have no ideea what pvp and competitive spirit is 3.Only contribution to this game community is the opposite of previous nr 3
Cheers and congratz to all guilds that ever did and/or try to do gvg or any interesting pvp activities that ease the grip of the current reward system for wvw and pvp in GW2 so far(hopes for the future are still high),for us all fellow pvp lovers.Also thx Red Guard for sharing with everyone,keep them coming.
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Doing more dps than their actual regen rate usually works
<popcorn>
oh wait! where is flame?
Think i found it
Makes me sad to think that some random guy planned and executed a DDoS attack because he was kitten about losing a game.
You probably read me, so I’d like to advise you to get a life.
Then, all of this will because way less serious to you, and maybe you’ll just chill out.Or this is just a coincidence. Maybe chinese secret services wanted to attack w/e and mistyped the IP address. Four times in a row !
This is your original post mr tinfoil man.Please explain to us why this presumed person should “probabily read you” in a thread regarding these our 3 servers if you were not accusing any one of us ?Sometimes bad excuses are bad, especially when you forget to read your own posts.
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Not sure what you want to express, that’s the problem with out-of-context pictures, but our TS server did suffer from repeated DDoS attacks. No doubt about that.
Do you really think that thinking the attack.. on a TS server used for GW2.. is related with.. GW2.. is conspiracy theory?
Because I call it logic and Ockham’s razor.Feel free to suggest something else, good sir. How did that happen?
Oh, I know, maybe you actually suggested aliens and that’s the meaning of your message !
You can also post another random meme saying nothing. As you wish.
If you had used as much energy in actually investigating a bit instead of creating unfounded theories you would have realized that many many servers including ts servers all over gw2 EU and NA alike were hit by the same attacks in the exact time arch.Also a week after these attacks were reported a new ts3 version/patch was released.
Yet all you can come up with is the theory that some player that does not love your server somehow did all this.And you call it logic .Ehm…
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Makes me sad to think that some random guy planned and executed a DDoS attack because he was kitten about losing a game.
You probably read me, so I’d like to advise you to get a life.
Then, all of this will because way less serious to you, and maybe you’ll just chill out.Or this is just a coincidence. Maybe chinese secret services wanted to attack w/e and mistyped the IP address. Four times in a row !
AR Blob in action :
http://s24.postimg.org/v01vp2w3n/gw2.jpgHum sorry, it seem that’s PS…
OMG you guys call that a blob ? Looks like dolyak/sentry kill team from t1
Funny how not even culling or skill lag got so much whining and they are far far far more gamebreaking than these mere 2 hour change in a once a week event .
Do the 20 man you are looking to fight need to be organized ppl or just pickups preferebly upscaled ?
Puts “tinfoil hat” on again.
Maybe it’s a conspiracy by ArenaNet to get guilds/players transfer (pay gems /$$$) to lower tier servers so they won’t have to deal with the queue on reset nights.
Eu nr1 wvw server is opened to free xfers.After 1 week of unbearable overcrowdness in wvw several hundreeds of players begin migrating to other servers but ofc with a gem fee.Allowing free transfers = no profit since free right
.Well at least the server is “fixed now”.If going to t8 is ever a fix xd
Current transfer fee to a v high pop server is arround 63 gold just in case you wonder
Shares tinfoil hats*
Lol this^^^^
This has ruined reset night for 3/4 of the US to make it very slightly better for EU??? Come on!
If I was in EU position and reset was at 2am, making it midnight would make no difference to me. Being it is Saturday at 2am, it would make no difference.
And yet it DOES make a rather major difference.
The amount of players playing at midnight is MUCH higher than those playing at 2am.How do you know, reset has never been at Midnight?
lol how do you know .reset time was never at 3 pm
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Which would more people show up for in EU? 2am or 3pm? I think it would probably be the same either way. Most people I know are at work/school at 3pm.
I would gladly take 3 pm.Would plan a guild raid for 7-8 pm but that’s just me.Midnight still sux but at least people in EU get to play for 2 hours and still get some sleep before work/school on saturday instead of nothing at all
I am not a fan of the fact that Anet needs to screw someone over in the 1st place and i really don’t understand why the reset times can’t be separate since the NA and EU servers are *completely*separate in the 1st place.You can’t even guest from NA to EU so this thing really leaves me perplexed.
But ,being from EU i can’t not be glad for getting even such a small improvement.Either way here on the old continent still have it a lot worse than you guys even with this “improvement” and im not rying to make it a justification in any way is just a personal opinion.
Lol this^^^^
This has ruined reset night for 3/4 of the US to make it very slightly better for EU??? Come on!
If I was in EU position and reset was at 2am, making it midnight would make no difference to me. Being it is Saturday at 2am, it would make no difference.
And yet it DOES make a rather major difference.
The amount of players playing at midnight is MUCH higher than those playing at 2am.How do you know, reset has never been at Midnight?
lol how do you know .reset time was never at 3 pm .
Get rid of this kittening 5-man aoe limit system and reduce overall skill dmg.
Effective and easy solution for these stupid and boring blobs.
Not quite .Considering that now the servers can’t process a 5 man aoe limit ,imagine what would happen with virtually no limit.I am pretty positive that the aoe cap was not intended for balancing the gameplay as much as it was meant to reduce stress on the servers in the 1st place.With limitless aoe limit the system will be charged with at least 20x times more data to process than in the present.I could be terrible wrong though ,my math skills can be easily outmached by a pelush monkey .
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I could be wrong but if you look at it from Anet’s perspective,NA servers will have 3-4 hour queue(idk) as stated by the majority of the NA players,for all Anet is concerned everyone will get to play.Clearly a lot of people always get the bench on reset anyway in high tiers but is hard to believe that Anet really cares for the players that used to play the reset and now will be unable ,as long as their spots will always be filled anyway.Players = players for them and even before this change a very good share were left off anyway waiting in queue.Now is probably their turn and many might be even grateful.
Still trying to see this from Anet’s perspective,even if the reset happens at 3 pm there is still a lot of time to still play that reset for a long time since hardly doubt that you will be unable to play all the way until late night-early morning in comparison to EU players that only had those 2-3 hours before hitting the floor or going back to work again.
Now EU gets 4-5(very unlikely) hours to play at reset while NA still gets more than 10 in wich with a little effort a lot of people can organize to get a spot in the action.
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Cmon ELONA, push, just 10 points more!
be useful for once
I hope Deso is not in a monozerg like Elona this last week
I advise you to start training for pushing 1 and get a decent signet build for next week hehe xd
i hope u use all ur skills against VS,
My wvw main is a staff guardian so by default all my skills consist in pushing 1 anyway
Cmon ELONA, push, just 10 points more!
be useful for once
I hope Deso is not in a monozerg like Elona this last week
I advise you to start training for pushing 1 and get a decent signet build for next week hehe xd
You couldn’t be more wrong.While it might not be perfectly implemented yet withing a good reward system(remember nnot even pve had it at start) this game has plenty of guild warfare.It’s only unfortunate you chose the one single server that has never heard of them in all the 51 servers available.Actually i’m not sure you guys even heard of pvp in this game so why do i even wonder xd
So basically I couldn’t be more wrong on a might not be perfectly implemented yet with a good reward system. Like, it’s not there yet like I said and you agree, but I’m wrong because… what already ? If you agree with me at the end of your phrase, why are you saying I’m wrong in your sentence’s beginning ? I’m quite sorry but i’m having a hard time finding any sense in your reasoning.
20ish versus 20ish arranged GvG within WvW maps isn’t actually supported by the game, you take WvW slots while not playing WvW, it’s not my opinion it’s a fact. There is no support, no rewards and no features at all right now. You want some proof ? If I were totally wrong, why would I be able to come during your GvG and kill any spectator around, create mess or even interrupting your GvG fight ? Is that a GvG feature, you can kill spectators because it’s fun or you can heal / give boons to the team you like ?
You seem like a mature and reasonable person, please tell me where I’m wrong here.
Yes you are still wrong.I was reffering to guild warfare wich constantly happens on every of the 50 minus 1 servers available(i let you figure out wich one is the minus 1) ,with no aproach towards GvG whatsoever .That apart is one concept on its own more related to spvp than WvW altogether.
Guilds used and continue to fight themselves in the battlefield every day and while it is not perfectly balanced numbers nobody ever said guilds need exactly the same numbers to fight eachother.
Your opinion that guilds have place only in gvg is totally unfounded on any basis since not one Anet employee ever stated that WvW is supposed to be pug only and guilds should drop any guild identity to play the game mode.In fact many guilds have very solid identities and place their reputation before anything else by accepting challanges (like refusuing to blob up and risk wiping) on their own every single day all over the world.Even extremely large guilds like IRON grasp the concept that there is no honor in fighting 30 ppl with 90 and begin to divide their forces for a more fun and challenging gameplay played by players that gain absolutely nothing from the numbers on the board as it stands.
You act like you are the keepers of the games rules but the reality is that you are the only ones in 51 servers that miss out on every aspect of it’s potential.What do you have to say about the PvP part of the WvW?This game mode was not advertised as a massive pvp game mode or only as a player versus door reuglarly known as pve?And what is funnier is that you fermly believe it has been dictated by some uknown factor that this is the right and only way to be played.Hence yes you couldn’t be more wrong .
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Not even normal XP? In my experience it still counts as a kill (i get a loot bag, idk if I get XP but i’d assume so), as i said never noticed the WXP difference.
Yes it’s a bug since probably the start of the game that was never fixed.Not sure if they even count as kills to be honest .I really need to check that out.
It’s a bit late now for T1. SFR will prolly drop to T2 sooner or later as many guilds are simply sick of fighting the same blobs and the inevitable resulting skill-lag and many guilds chose to move away so they can play together.
The ugly truth that has come to surface in EU T1 these days is that this tier is NOT a good place for WvW guilds to be .
It’s clear that VS will not drop the PUG BLOB meta, so other servers will need to follow suit to keep up. Many SFR guilds realised this, and in order to keep their identity decided to move away from T1. And honestly , who can blame them? When you have to chose between your guild’s future and the servers future…
It’s always sad when someone realizes that, 9 months after game’s launch, he just doesn’t like the design of a game mode that was never intended to evolve around guilds, but servers.
Silly guilds believing a game that was advertised for pure pvp and it’s called “guild wars” is only about pvdoor and pve and has nothing to do with guilds whatsoever .Pure logic.
While I agree on the part that Guild Wars 2 has, sadly, no guild warfare whatsoever, I’d strongly advise you to not choose a game only on its name. It’s like saying GTA is false advertising because ingame you actually never get indicted for stealing cars.
You couldn’t be more wrong.While it might not be perfectly implemented yet withing a good reward system(remember not even pve had it at start) this game has plenty of guild warfare.It’s only unfortunate you chose the one single server that has never heard of them in all the 51 servers available.Actually i’m not sure you guys even heard of pvp in this game so why do i even wonder xd
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Elementalist as well as warriors do not give any kind of xp after they use vengeange or myst form even after you KILL them
It’s a bit late now for T1. SFR will prolly drop to T2 sooner or later as many guilds are simply sick of fighting the same blobs and the inevitable resulting skill-lag and many guilds chose to move away so they can play together.
The ugly truth that has come to surface in EU T1 these days is that this tier is NOT a good place for WvW guilds to be .
It’s clear that VS will not drop the PUG BLOB meta, so other servers will need to follow suit to keep up. Many SFR guilds realised this, and in order to keep their identity decided to move away from T1. And honestly , who can blame them? When you have to chose between your guild’s future and the servers future…
It’s always sad when someone realizes that, 9 months after game’s launch, he just doesn’t like the design of a game mode that was never intended to evolve around guilds, but servers.
Silly guilds believing a game that was advertised for pure pvp and it’s called “guild wars” is only about pvdoor and pve and has nothing to do with guilds whatsoever .Pure logic.
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all i saw is a bunch of cowards fleeing a server while it was sinking, lol
pretty much, at-least all the elitist jerks are headed out, no more winning? I thought our problem was the over abundance of free transfers? never noticed the difference tbh. that’s just their convenient excuse.
SFR has fallen far in a very short period of time, and its good, sort of. maby now we can stop the pug bashing and actually build a community, and not try and control it.
As you can see from this post SFR is doing really great after free xfer were decided xd.Great community material right there.
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all i saw is a bunch of cowards fleeing a server while it was sinking, lol
pretty much, at-least all the elitist jerks are headed out, no more winning? I thought our problem was the over abundance of free transfers? never noticed the difference tbh. that’s just their convenient excuse.
SFR has fallen far in a very short period of time, and its good, sort of. maby now we can stop the pug bashing and actually build a community, and not try and control it.
What a proud SFR citizen.What is your character name ingame ?
NO THX.Guardian line of warding/ring of warding and shield of absorbtion are already useless since everyone and they dog has stability 90% of the time up(at least in decently competitive tiers) and will turn the already only situational with huge 40 sec cd skills tottaly worthless.Not even worth about talking that mesmers that they don’t even do any damage in the 1st place.
About mesmer veil i see no problem whatsoever in it being used by multiple people.The stealth time is very short and now that culling is removed it works perfectly as intended.All these skill give the game a more tactical aproach and removing them will only empower even more the zerg in a huge disadvantage to smaller groups even with more skilled players.Dont break the game even more.
About the mesmer confusion ,it is already a tremendously broke skill.It has 50% less damage in spvp for a reason and if you consider all the extra stats combination/consumables/huge aditional condition duration you can use in WvW it makes it not double but 3 or 4 times more powerfull than in spvp scenarious.Add to that no control over removing it and you get the perfect op win button with zero effort invested.
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Is it german april april 1st verion or something xd? Hope not fingers crossed
Drama queens is the current state of SFR. I’m not sure there is any people even left on that server from back when they used to be very good with very low pop** in mid tiers.
**inc a low wvw pop, not that stupid we are med server therefore even though we fill every wvw map all time we are underdogs current gloat that they have. utter nonsense
utter nonsense
Pretty much sums up what you just said
@graverr
not suprising that you dont understand ^^
I gotta admit that is some really good trolling . xd silly me
@gravarr
sry m8 you dont talk the truth… it s always easy to blame anet or pugs coz they r anonymus… but u guys r the problem you so called glorious pvpers messing with server structurs and pug motivation, your the reason that sfr became exactly what you dont like anymore… its ironc, but it the truth. this story will repeat itself on the next server you will move to… you will see and probably blame again… someone else…. but m8 i say it again YOU are the only thing you can complain about! c u out there…
I am sorry but this post makes no sense whatsoever.
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lol more QQ 2day longest que at primetime was 5mins
YOU NO SAY!
Guilds left => Pug gets farmed =>Pug logs out of WvW =>Pug xferr to easy farm server=>No more queves
If you want me to draw you a picture too please send me a pm.I always like to help people like that.
maybe you pros should learn not 2 que as a grp… helps a lot!
HEAR YE!
Guilds from all over the world.STOP TO QUE AS A GROUP.Actually let’s have all our members move to different servers and join the que there singularily.Guaranteed 90% less que time.Man where is the donate button xd.
Ps: is that a little hate inside “you pros” remark ?Too much gelou
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