Guild Wars 2

Does the name Covenn originate from DAoC? Does it mean the same thing here?

This is not intended as an insult or anything. I am curious.

I’m gonna pop some bags…

Being from JQ, I think SoR and BG should ignore JQ and let us beat both of you down without any resistance.

Obsidian.1328:

This may sound crass, but can Cuddlestrike simply post the score update and not use it as an excuse for an Asuran runway expo? It reminds me of Toddlers and Tiara’s and it’s starting to make me sick.

I think this post screams out for MORE CUTE ASURA PICS!!!!

….

….

Shoot. I don’t have any of those.

Help? Anyone got a huge store of Asura pics to post for this guy, STAT???

covenn.7165:

hex.3218:

It’s probably a good thing. Then I get to email debate them for the week.

You are lucky you even get a response. I never do.

You should see what I write…. I’m surprised I’m not in solitary.

Burl.9567:

hex.3218:

covenn.7165:

hex.3218:

Naw, you don’t send them yourself. But they always come when I argue with you. It’s just coincidence.

I am going to call you out on this because this sort of thing should be beneath you to fabricate. Are they pretending to be me too or do I just have an invisible knight in shining armor helping out the damsel in distress (me)?

Can you post a screenshot of your inbox? You can take it down after I see it.

We are not allowed to discuss those who shall not be named, lest I get even MORE PMs and a vacation for a week.

I think my next one is a week also. We need to have a work program to work off points.

It’s probably a good thing. Then I get to email debate them for the week.

covenn.7165:

hex.3218:

Naw, you don’t send them yourself. But they always come when I argue with you. It’s just coincidence.

I am going to call you out on this because this sort of thing should be beneath you to fabricate. Are they pretending to be me too or do I just have an invisible knight in shining armor helping out the damsel in distress (me)?

Can you post a screenshot of your inbox? You can take it down after I see it.

We are not allowed to discuss those who shall not be named, lest I get even MORE PMs and a vacation for a week.

covenn.7165:

hex.3218:

Someone else is a little angry, guessing by my messages. I never use that function on this forum. But every time I have a disagreement with a certain someone, my mail gets flooded with notices from above….

Hey, whatever….

For the record, he isn’t referring to me. We fight just fine without getting PMs involved.

Naw, you don’t send them yourself. But they always come when I argue with you. It’s just coincidence.

Someone else is a little angry, guessing by my messages. I never use that function on this forum. But every time I have a disagreement with a certain someone, my mail gets flooded with notices from above….

Hey, whatever….

I’m sure AFS knows their members well enough to figure it out. Tell them about it and they can at least address it with their players. That’s all we’re asking.

covenn.7165:

hex.3218:

He said they can put up a ‘decent’ fight. Come on. They kick most people’s butts. It’s like saying. TW is a decent sized guild. It’s disingenuous. Be fair about things for once.

I am confused. Do you mean that you believe TW is a big guild or a small one?

Decent sized.

Burl.9567:

hex.3218:

Burl.9567:

hex.3218:

Jahn.7019:

FOO is really the only skilled guild on JQ. Not saying there aren’t other “good guilds” out there full of average to better than average players but FOO is more on the level of “elite” and really the only real competition out there from JQ server for some of the heavier WvW guilds on SoR.

When FEAR and TW setup the GvG against FOO on Sunday, Indo and Irmo pretty much acknowledged that FOO is the best and only thing that JQ has to offer as far as competition goes. And even then overall, they went 9 and 3 against them. Once Indo logged on, they actually went straight 8 and 0. Waha is a pretty cool guy apparently, even while fighting them, people were talking to him in tells and talking about him in map chat. I think it’s fair to say everyone respects Waha a lot on SoR.

There are 4 extremely skilled guilds besides FoO on JQ that I know of, and probably a few more I don’t know or have forgotten. If you don’t know who they are then you don’t play enough WvW.

I seriously never understood the whole “I’m going to say JQ sucks except FoO” comment anyways. Are folks that insecure that they have to say things like that? And it’s usually people from crap guilds or who aren’t even relevant in T1 anyways.

You don’t see many JQ folks on here knocking entire servers like that. And we never have. Some of you need to start acting like you know how to play and learn what ‘skilled play’ actually is. I’m embarrassed for some of you folks.

I would say SF (when they aren’t out there running 500 necros) can put up a decent fight most nights. I’d like to know who you think is extremely skilled.

No. I am not going to post on behalf of other guilds and open the up to trolling. You can’t even give SF props without a backhanded compliment. Why bother? If you honestly don’t know, then maybe you and they play at different times. I have a very specific 4 in mind, and SF is one of them. They’ve gotten my respect since their days on SBI when I sought them out to find good fights back then.

I think you took my post WAY out of context. SF has their fun nights where they screw around and have fun doing wacky stuff. When they aren’t trying to melee a door down or running around with 500 necros and are playing their balls to the walls full on they are a pretty good force. That was my point. Take a chill man.

“Pretty good’.

You’re pretty good too.

covenn.7165:

hex.3218:

You can’t even give SF props without a backhanded compliment.

How was that a backhanded compliment? He was saying that they are a good fight 99% of the time. The one off he was talking about was when they run joke setups for kicks. TW did the same thing with an all Necro night. Some people do naked W3 night too….

You are being a little defensive. Just relax.

He said they can put up a ‘decent’ fight. Come on. They kick most people’s butts. It’s like saying. TW is a decent sized guild. It’s disingenuous. Be fair about things for once.

Burl.9567:

hex.3218:

Jahn.7019:

FOO is really the only skilled guild on JQ. Not saying there aren’t other “good guilds” out there full of average to better than average players but FOO is more on the level of “elite” and really the only real competition out there from JQ server for some of the heavier WvW guilds on SoR.

When FEAR and TW setup the GvG against FOO on Sunday, Indo and Irmo pretty much acknowledged that FOO is the best and only thing that JQ has to offer as far as competition goes. And even then overall, they went 9 and 3 against them. Once Indo logged on, they actually went straight 8 and 0. Waha is a pretty cool guy apparently, even while fighting them, people were talking to him in tells and talking about him in map chat. I think it’s fair to say everyone respects Waha a lot on SoR.

There are 4 extremely skilled guilds besides FoO on JQ that I know of, and probably a few more I don’t know or have forgotten. If you don’t know who they are then you don’t play enough WvW.

I seriously never understood the whole “I’m going to say JQ sucks except FoO” comment anyways. Are folks that insecure that they have to say things like that? And it’s usually people from crap guilds or who aren’t even relevant in T1 anyways.

You don’t see many JQ folks on here knocking entire servers like that. And we never have. Some of you need to start acting like you know how to play and learn what ‘skilled play’ actually is. I’m embarrassed for some of you folks.

I would say SF (when they aren’t out there running 500 necros) can put up a decent fight most nights. I’d like to know who you think is extremely skilled.

No. I am not going to post on behalf of other guilds and open the up to trolling. You can’t even give SF props without a backhanded compliment. Why bother? If you honestly don’t know, then maybe you and they play at different times. I have a very specific 4 in mind, and SF is one of them. They’ve gotten my respect since their days on SBI when I sought them out to find good fights back then.

One of the other 3 might be overlooked by a lot of folks on other servers but we watch them take 10 folks into the center/center rear of most of the zergballs out there and absolutely destroy with position, synergy and combos. They’re not a ‘brand name’ guild so that could be forgiven.

Another is our kamikaze guild. You’ve met them many times and their lead commander is sought out and targeted when he’s on the field.

And the fourth is our jack of all trades group that makes you folks miserable by being where you thought we weren’t because they don’t follow the zerg.

I am NOT counting EMP in these 4 purely because I have little to no experience with them except on reset nights.

Nor am I counting PRX because they are semi retired.

And if it’s considered an opinion, then it’s an opinion that the smart guilds on BG and SoR share, because come on, we all know who does what on the other servers. I could name just a many skilled guilds from BG and maybe even SoR now that I have enough experience against them.

To say it’s FoO and no one is ignorant as well as arrogant.

Jahn.7019:

FOO is really the only skilled guild on JQ. Not saying there aren’t other “good guilds” out there full of average to better than average players but FOO is more on the level of “elite” and really the only real competition out there from JQ server for some of the heavier WvW guilds on SoR.

When FEAR and TW setup the GvG against FOO on Sunday, Indo and Irmo pretty much acknowledged that FOO is the best and only thing that JQ has to offer as far as competition goes. And even then overall, they went 9 and 3 against them. Once Indo logged on, they actually went straight 8 and 0. Waha is a pretty cool guy apparently, even while fighting them, people were talking to him in tells and talking about him in map chat. I think it’s fair to say everyone respects Waha a lot on SoR.

There are 4 extremely skilled guilds besides FoO on JQ that I know of, and probably a few more I don’t know or have forgotten. If you don’t know who they are then you don’t play enough WvW.

I seriously never understood the whole “I’m going to say JQ sucks except FoO” comment anyways. Are folks that insecure that they have to say things like that? And it’s usually people from crap guilds or who aren’t even relevant in T1 anyways.

You don’t see many JQ folks on here knocking entire servers like that. And we never have. Some of you need to start acting like you know how to play and learn what ‘skilled play’ actually is. I’m embarrassed for some of you folks.

“If JQ didn’t have such good SEA/Asian guilds…”

If fish choked on water, they’d be bad swimmers.

Birds are lucky they have wings. Let’s see them fly without those wings, huh? They are horrible at flying, stupid birds. We fly better than them on the ground. That’s where the flying is really hard.

Zen.8497:

Liquid.9672:

Nuked.2360:

Tyrell.4865:

This forum really is a comedy goldmine. Anyway here are some stats from this week;

- JQ should be thankful to their Asian & European support; their NA prime squad would’ve lost the match to SoR by 3.5k points (18:00 – 02:00 EST).
- JQ’s off-peak presence generated a 50k+ point advantage over SoR.
- No notable changes in performance since Monday morning compared to the weekend; biggest being JQ gaining 1.15 percentage point.
- Compared to last week: JQ +1.75 percentage point, SoR +0.43 & BG -2.18 (ouch).

Data: Millenium.org, time in EST, ticks include downed cows and sentries. X-axis values represent the average tick in a given hour (p.e. 23:00 means 23:00-23:59).

If the match was in doubt we wouldn’t have had any issue pushing hard in NA prime. I know I for one took the past two days to sort of relax and do some PvE/Guild Bounty’s and I know Strike Force did a lowbie night. Both of which wouldn’t have happened if the match was close.

I think people might forget this sometimes. I’m a sucker for stats, and all the power to you for analyzing server performance, but when evaluating JQ, the data is only useful if they are giving a match everything they got (in terms of numbers), which I personally don’t think they’ve done once throughout and entire week since the JQvBGvSoR matches began. JQ puts in just enough effort to win comfortably, and that’s about the extent of it. This is how BG got their win. The lead was left too slim and BG made a sprint at the end of the week that JQ couldn’t react to in time.

I think the data applies because at this point in time all 3 servers put pretty much the same effort into the match. I don’t think anybody is pushing so it shows the 24/7 distribution and servers strengths.

Anything that proves your point, right?

Zen.8497:

Nuked.2360:

Tyrell.4865:

This forum really is a comedy goldmine. Anyway here are some stats from this week;

- JQ should be thankful to their Asian & European support; their NA prime squad would’ve lost the match to SoR by 3.5k points (18:00 – 02:00 EST).
- JQ’s off-peak presence generated a 50k+ point advantage over SoR.
- No notable changes in performance since Monday morning compared to the weekend; biggest being JQ gaining 1.15 percentage point.
- Compared to last week: JQ +1.75 percentage point, SoR +0.43 & BG -2.18 (ouch).

Data: Millenium.org, time in EST, ticks include downed cows and sentries. X-axis values represent the average tick in a given hour (p.e. 23:00 means 23:00-23:59).

If the match was in doubt we wouldn’t have had any issue pushing hard in NA prime. I know I for one took the past two days to sort of relax and do some PvE/Guild Bounty’s and I know Strike Force did a lowbie night. Both of which wouldn’t have happened if the match was close.

Allow me to entertain this thought a bit…
Let me start saying that this week is no different day by day than any week for past 2 months so basically based on that logic you and SF spent about 2 months off relaxing and doing lowbie nights. Both of which would of happened as the matches were as close as they always have

Pretty much considering you guys never stay close enough to take it seriously.

Tyrell.4865:

This forum really is a comedy goldmine. Anyway here are some stats from this week;

- JQ should be thankful to their Asian & European support; their NA prime squad would’ve lost the match to SoR by 3.5k points (18:00 – 02:00 EST).
- JQ’s off-peak presence generated a 50k+ point advantage over SoR.
- No notable changes in performance since Monday morning compared to the weekend; biggest being JQ gaining 1.15 percentage point.
- Compared to last week: JQ +1.75 percentage point, SoR +0.43 & BG -2.18 (ouch).

Data: Millenium.org, time in EST, ticks include downed cows and sentries. X-axis values represent the average tick in a given hour (p.e. 23:00 means 23:00-23:59).

Again, PPT and final scores do not mean anything except who had a higher population on at that time and for the week.

If PPT and score means anything, then JQ is the best hands down. Can’t use PPT to say JQ NA stinks and then say PPT over all and final match scores mean nothing.

Pick one.

Aurust.8961:

According to my proprietary, internal, highly classified metrics….. SOR comes out as the clear winner this week decisively over JQ. BG is in a far far far, beyond the field of vision, distant third place.

This is how you do it! Well played.

Jedbacca.6297:

Good fights all round this week ladies and gentlemen. Get out your shot glasses and bottles, tonight’s gonna be another one of those nights

I don’t drink.

I’ll get some rodeo smack.

covenn.7165:

hex.3218:

I was hoping when I asked you for a solid metric for a longer more sensible post in response. When all I got was the usual, I figured I’d write it myself.

You didn’t think my post was sensible? Interesting.

What you were trying to define itself is subjective. The only way to answer it is with objectivity.

‘More sensible’. Your post was sensible, but the ideas get all clouded with the taunts and insults thrown in.

covenn.7165:

hex.3218:

Remember folks, you can’t claim you are better than any other server at any other time because you are only one person and can’t see everything that happens everywhere on each map. PPT is a measure of population, except during prime hours, in which case PPT still doesn’t count because you don’t know which guilds managed to get past the queue faster.

Wins don’t mean anything.

Neither does reset night or the weekend. Nor weekdays NA prime.

Frappsing a battle means nothing either because it’s a limited perspective. Same with 24 hour streaming. Same with GvG.

You can’t even say who zergs or fields what numbers because somewhere on one map, there might be a 5 man group you never encounter.

In fact, you cannot say anything about the quality of another server in WvW at all because there IS NO STRONG METRIC for it.

Only opinion.

And in most instances, our opinions of ourselves, our friends, our guilds and our servers are over-inflated and the opinion of others devalued.

Even an honest, self examined, realistic opinion is invalid because it is only an opinion based on one player’s experience.

As such, from henceforth, any poster who claims to now who is better shall receive a failing grade. Just type F and walk away from them.

That was a little over the top. Bored today?

No. I tend to get a lot of folks who find me in game or PM me here who actually appreciate when I post something level headed and clear thought out. Which for me isn’t often.

People need to hear this every once in a while to realize what we’re arguing about is fluff. I was hoping when I asked you for a solid metric for a longer more sensible post in response. When all I got was the usual, I figured I’d write it myself.

You do agree that all this is kinda silly, right?

Remember folks, you can’t claim you are better than any other server at any other time because you are only one person and can’t see everything that happens everywhere on each map. PPT is a measure of population, except during prime hours, in which case PPT still doesn’t count because you don’t know which guilds managed to get past the queue faster.

Wins don’t mean anything.

Neither does reset night or the weekend. Nor weekdays NA prime.

Frappsing a battle means nothing either because it’s a limited perspective. Same with 24 hour streaming. Same with GvG.

You can’t even say who zergs or fields what numbers because somewhere on one map, there might be a 5 man group you never encounter.

In fact, you cannot say anything about the quality of another server in WvW at all because there IS NO STRONG METRIC for it.

Only opinion.

And in most instances, our opinions of ourselves, our friends, our guilds and our servers are over-inflated and the opinion of others devalued.

Even an honest, self examined, realistic opinion is invalid because it is only an opinion based on one player’s experience.

As such, from henceforth, any poster who claims to now who is better shall receive a failing grade. Just type F and walk away from them.

Covenn,

Give us a specific metric to measure who is best. We will accept any. Just give us one and stick to it.

This thread has more wah wah than a Jimi Hendrix concert!

Was anyone there for the beautiful EB bash last night at lowland’s keep? How can anyone in their right mind whine about anything after that! So much fun. I was on a lowbie guard and STILL got buckets.

Can’t we all just agree that JQ is best, and everyone else is not?

ham.3760:

VOLKON.1290:

renmei.3102:

ruh roh score update as requested before my head rolls :o

Need eyes on Hills on BGBL! Stat!

No ‘haste’? Dang. Maybe I thiefed wrong?

covenn.7165:

Waage.2047:

We where never super stacked. Both SoR and especially JQ where several times bigger then any thing we had. Right now SoR have gotten massive reinforcements while we lost 2 guilds to TIER 1 attrition (Tier 1 is kind of boring compared to lower tiers) so we are in a situation like the last few times we hit tier 1.

This is incorrect., blatantly so. Do you not remember ticking away against SoR in T2 for 8-9 weeks at sometimes 600ppt in 12 hour stretches? Do you remember doing it in T1 as well, ticking away against both SoR and JQ at 400ppt for hours at a time. That was simply due to you having superior population at those times. Please don’t try to change history in a forum full of people that know better.

You lost like 30 people total in your active W3 population in those 2 guilds. Your biggest loss was a certain commander that kept you together.

When Covenn and I agree, it has to be an indisputable truth. It’s in the rulebook.

I’ll take the ‘JQ is stacked’. But saying “BG no staked! SoR stacked!” is just wrong. And I hate SoR and love BG. (sorry SoR, cant’s stand ya)

Anyone on BG complaining about transfers and coverage when speaking about SoR needs to go reread last month’s threads. Or even February’s threads.

Every server has enough players for complete coverage IF they could convince some of their PvE element to join in. At this point, any complaints about coverage or stacking or transfers has been proven to be a moot point.

WvW populations change week to week. The WvW population that shows up with the most players wins. And finally, any of the three servers can field a decent enough army to win, if their playerbase is properly motivated.

Wait, millenium is current?

Oresh.4729:

this is from devon and can apply to the t1 situation:

DevonCarver.5370:

Unfortunately, there could be many reasons that those servers are doing poorly, including that people stay away because they are doing poorly. Creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. This change will help only a little because it isn’t going to actually change the skill level of any servers, we are just going to mess with the numbers to try and fix the impacts their scores have had on everyone else. There are more holistic changes that will need to be made to try and solve this problem for the long term, but we can do this today, so we are.

Changes? What changes?

It’s one of the only ways…

Jonathan.1580:

covenn.7165:

Jonathan.1580:

I mean kitten double 3 days straight and SoR barely ahead as of yesterday and still they think theyre good? ya’ll so funny =) just point at the score thats all you need but dont say anyhting about ya’lls wvw is as good as ours

Are you complaining about being double teamed? We get double teamed too. All night, every night, JQ and BG attacking us at the same time from opposite sides of the map. Imagine that…..

Also, you confuse points with ability like many people. The score doesn’t mean jack when it comes to your ability to fight. You don’t get points for killing people.

huh your like the King of taking what ppl say out of context master Covenn, I never complained about being double teamed..its like a compliment isnt it? To be double teamed means to be feared. and surely your not going to imply that forces being = that either JQ or SoR can match our best commanders on the field?

IF I had a wish that could come true it would be for the leaders of all 3 realms to agree to an EB 3 way TOURNEY with rules mind you.

Each server puts up 1000 gold.
3 teams 50+ each led by each realms chosen commander
All 3 running the map for position until one engages the other
No interference. Once two teams have engaged the other must pull off and reset at WP
First team to lose to both servers or twice to same realm is out.
After that its best 2 out of 3 engagements for the remaining two realms

Winner takes all! Losing realms commanders must send alts to the victors LA named after their char and server and announce they are there to pay the debt of 1000 g.

just a rough idea but imagine the FUN! no PPT.. no pop BS no alliances.. just hard hitting fun

ah to dream

Neither JQ nor SoR can match your commanders on the field…

Wait, seriously? How could anyone even claim to know that! And why would anyone even SAY that?

I’ve worked with at least 100 different commanders since the days of super secret double blind beta. Some good, some bad. Some horrible. 5 or 6 truly superior commanders that could almost will things to happen. Drop the whole 30 v 40 because that happens daily. I’m talking about things where my head would start spinning and enemies melted when there was nothing there but a handful of players and a half built arrow cart.

GREAT commanders. EXCEPTIONAL commanders.

None of them were from BG.

Because I don’t play on BG.

You just don’t know the commanders on JQ or SoR and are using your selective sample of experiences to back up an unquantifiable claim. Even sPvP couldn’t settle it fairly. GvG couldn’t settle it and neither would this fantasy EB tourney.

If BG’s commanders are that good, live stream it and send us all the link so we can see for ourselves.

Other than that, this is just hot air. I’d never come here and claim any commander is better than another, let alone a whole server magically has all the good commanders, and the rest are no match. I’m going to hazard a guess and say it’s an equal distribution per capita.

VOLKON.1290:

Nibi.3572:

alright who turned JQ login server off

Aw crap… the day ended?

I lolled. +1

I mean, JQ used to say FULL all the time before they raised the cap and I still logged in fine every day. BTW they say they are aware of it and working on it via twitter.

I have never seen a ‘full’ server stop me from entering it. It’s weird that it’s just JQ. (it’s always JQ)

JQ has a higher WvW population than other servers. The general population including PvE of the top 3 NA servers is a lot closer than folks would think.

Geronomo.5317:

hex.3218:

Y’all need to stop and think about this ‘my server/your server’ stuff. All servers are made up of essentially the same types of people: gamers. Claiming one server is a weak willed bunch of bandwagoners is absolutely stupid. Those weak willed badnwagoners or just gamers like you and me. And they’re only a small part of a server.

I often wonder what it would be like if they’d chosen different names for the servers. Or given us less servers to choose from. I bet anything that we’d all be playing with a very different group of players, but claiming the exact same things.

The people you say all these negative things about were a name change away from being your best buddies in game. Plain and simple, I bet they could secretly swap the players in one major guild with the players from another and without TS or mumble, no one would know it.

Harping on coverage is one thing. That’s real. But saying one server is the hard working good guys and another is a bunch of devious front running lazy bad people is just nonsense. We’re gamers. The servers are no more than name tags. We all could have ended up on different servers and not noticed much of a difference.

I have to disagree with you. There are some serious bandwagon riders on the T1 servers, there always has been. Whereas most of us may be called similar people, some of us actually take pride in a server we’ve been with since the start. A lot of people get annoyed when guilds transfer to a high tier server they did nothing for, just to say they’re in a high tier.

Just sayin’

No. MOST of us take pride in our servers and are NOT bandwagoners on ALL servers, including T 1. The bandwagoners are not nearly as ubiquotous as people make it out.

My point is that the players on JQ for the most part would get along fine with the players on BG and SoR and every other server had they started on and stayed on the same server.

Meaning, most of the servers are made up of gamers who have server pride and put in a good effort. The server is just a name. The PEOPLE on the server are what’s important and EVERY server has pretty much the same demographic and type of people, digital gamers.

If we were all a server together (call it Grenth’s Beanie), we’d all probably get along fine and appreciate each other’s hard work.

But because we’re on different servers, some folks assume the ‘other servers’ are filled with soundrels and deviants and OMG TRANSFERS!!!! BADWAGON! BANDWAGON!

It’s just stupid. We’re all gamers, and more similar than we are different. Most of us are pretty cool when you get to know us (on ALL servers, not just yours)

Zen.8497:

hex.3218:

Zen.8497:

Ascii.9726:

An ill wind is blowing as the tides turn in Tier 2 as Tarnished Coast push on into 1st. Might we see a JQ-SoR-TC T1 yet?

It is possible. Hopefully that WM and the other guilds in that time slot also realize that their safest bet for T1 and possibly first place is to transfer to SoR.

That’s not going to happen. No offense meant, but I can tell you with certainty they will not move.

No offense taken, I try to abide by two things, first every choice you make has an end result and secondly there is nothing certain in a man’s life but that he must lose it.

Good words to live by my friend.

/salute

fivekiller.1432:

Did you know if you’re on the blue server, you often don’t see the fights that happen between red and green. At the same time, you see nearly every fight that involves blue.

It can make it sorta look like everyone is just fighting blue and not each other, if you’re on the blue team of course.

This is what I’m saying right here.

I know for a fact SoR doesn’t ‘sit in their defenses’ and ‘wait for SEA time’ because I get hit hard by them all the time, especially at BAY. Every night!

Maybe at a certain time of day, on one map, for a little while, they hold up and defend. We ALL do that. If SoR is a JQ lap dog, then it’s a zombie dog and only in our lap because it wants to eat us.

I like BG and don’t want to see them drop a tier.

As far as SoR not attacking us. Laughable. Transfer over for a week and you’ll see. They attack us very very hard, usually on the west of BL and North through to WC and Rouges on EB. This whole ‘lapdog’ thing is a joke. If anything BG is our ‘lapdog’ (which is totally laughable as well, but less so than SoR) because they always hit SoR hard.

If BG ignored SoR and only hit us, SoR would be in third place.

Lapdog arguements are easy to make but completely false.

Zen.8497:

Ascii.9726:

An ill wind is blowing as the tides turn in Tier 2 as Tarnished Coast push on into 1st. Might we see a JQ-SoR-TC T1 yet?

It is possible. Hopefully that WM and the other guilds in that time slot also realize that their safest bet for T1 and possibly first place is to transfer to SoR.

That’s not going to happen. No offense meant, but I can tell you with certainty they will not move.

Y’all need to stop and think about this ‘my server/your server’ stuff. All servers are made up of essentially the same types of people: gamers. Claiming one server is a weak willed bunch of bandwagoners is absolutely stupid. Those weak willed badnwagoners or just gamers like you and me. And they’re only a small part of a server.

I often wonder what it would be like if they’d chosen different names for the servers. Or given us less servers to choose from. I bet anything that we’d all be playing with a very different group of players, but claiming the exact same things.

The people you say all these negative things about were a name change away from being your best buddies in game. Plain and simple, I bet they could secretly swap the players in one major guild with the players from another and without TS or mumble, no one would know it.

Harping on coverage is one thing. That’s real. But saying one server is the hard working good guys and another is a bunch of devious front running lazy bad people is just nonsense. We’re gamers. The servers are no more than name tags. We all could have ended up on different servers and not noticed much of a difference.

In WvW only, make bags only drop once you are out of combat and alive. That way, if you are too busy, once the actions cools off, the bags drop fr you. Or once you die, they drop when you waypoint to spawn. I notice this happens if I waypoint quickly after death.

Not perfect but is can be done. Or just hold them at the spawn with a 15 minute timer (or however long bags hang around these days).

I want the AoE cap removed, but it won’t stop zergs or fix WvW or make 5 man teams any better off. 5 players with unlimited AoE targets is still less powerful that 20 players with unlimited AoE targets.

I hate the AoE cap, but it hurts zergs just as much as 5 mans. Imagine the front line damage load of an uncapped AoE heavy zerg???? OUCH.

Uhhhh, our Euro coverage is not so hot. I spend a lot of time on during Euro pre prime through beginning of NA prime and most of the time we are outmanned and losing our stuff piece by piece until 7 pm EST comes around.

I also seem to remember a lot of the Garri pushes by BG and SoR comming right at those times and seeing a LOT of players from those servers on.

What’s wrong with B? It’s no where near my hand map. You guys wanna hate on B, then maybe we need to step outside.

People still argue about stuff that happens in WvW? I thought we’d gone over all this already. WvW is WvW and you play it, you own it. Don’t bring any of that complaining stuff up in here. You’re the one who pressed B. YOUR FAULT!

Zen.8497:

kevinskyrider.3271

@ Zen
Obviously the intentions of my post were misinterpreted, so I have deleted it. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Hope ya understand& unquote me.

Thank you, all my respect for you. I will when my forum options become available again.
Everyone, I wonder if this a known bug where at times it shows only a permalink used for copy and paste instead of the regular edit, quote and report options.

It has to do with secure content filter thingamajiggy. You know how when it asks you if you want to view all content on the page? You have to click yes. Had the same issue a few days back. If it doesn’t prompt you, clear your cache and try again.

Worked for me.

Tyaen.5148:

Jedbacca.6297:

To the SoR ppl that hopped down in the circle to prevent the cap for BG, you guys are handicapped, you could have let us cap, then come back and flip the keep as paper.

Maybe we would rather let JQ have it. See, we don’t like you :-P

Wait… you’d let us have it because you don’t like us?