Guild Wars 2

I was a fun week. Heck, it still IS a fun week and who knows if it will turn or not.

No serious player on JQ will blame RAM MAN for the loss. Heck, we’ve had more second place finishes in T1 than most servers have had ANY places in T1. We know second place. It’s not a big deal.

What will be a big deal is if this happens again next week.

The worst part of it is not being able to counter treb. Anywhere. It just removes a lot of the fun. I don’t mind losing, but I hate losing the fun of playing.

Here’s hoping there is a comeback tonight so that the score is close right up until reset. Can you imagine having to organize a reset while still trying to win in that last hour? I’ve only experience it once.

Adaneshade.2409:

The definition of ANY word is totally dependant on it’s context and INTENDED meaning….this is why words change in definition over time as more people feel a word means something different than it previoulsy did.

But if it makes you feel better, just replace “casual” with “lazy”, “unwilling to work” or any other term within my contextual meaning.

You’ve done nothing but argue the meaning of a silly word yet shown no evidence that debunks my theory on the evolution of video games in the past 1.5 decades.

I’m not trying to refute your theory. I’m trying to help tighten up your arguement. I don’t disagree with the general premise. Like I said, I had 2 things to point out. You have considered them. Whether you make any adjustments in light of my feedback is your call.

Something has gone seriously wrong with PvP gaming in the past decade. This is true. But saying it’s the industry pandering to casual gamers more now than before isn’t what the problem is. Monetization and big business of games over the past, say, 5 years have gone haywire.

Honestly, I don’t think the game companies know what players really want. I don’t think game companies have the guts or the vision to make a niche PvP game with good RvR, even though it’s so freaking obvious it’s a sure fire money maker if done right.

Maybe what you’re saying is that the overcommercialization of games to try and be the next World of Warcraft, trying to cater to main stream players of other games and first time video game and MMO players, is causing this.

Like I said, I totally agree with the general idea, I just think it’s not the casual gamers they’re catering to. I think they’re catering to upper management and marketing folks pressuring them to make a flashy commercial game.

oversoul soldier.1742:

I think the basic internet rules of don’t feed trolls applies here. This idiot whose been building all those rams is getting a kick out of posts like this, don’t give him the attention he craves because in the end like you implied it’s just a video game. Cheers and lets all hope for an exciting conclusion to this week, we got it close but JQ is going to come strong.

Well, after 2 pages of it, what’s one more post? I had to vent about it. Plus I know he’ll read what I said, and inside that laughter will be a little haunting voice saying ’he’s right, we’re a loser’ because only somone with severely low self esteem would spend this much time in order to cheese folks off in a game.

And cheating is cheating. It is just a video game, but it’s something I enjoy. If I enjoy painting and some guy breaks into my studio and wrecks a painting I’m working on, yeah it’s just a painting, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter and should be ignored.

Am I feeding a troll or am I giving voice to folks who are frustrated by this? We could say, “It’s just a forum.”

Spurnshadow.3678:

Score Update. Gonna be close.

Naw, we don’t have any Euro coverage and reset is well before NA Prime. Unless we all quit our jobs, call in sick, ditch class or whatever, that’s most likely how the standing will stay.

I’m not saying we can’t do it, but if this past week has been any indication of how our server will perform over the next 10 hours, it’s a done deal.

No problem. We’ll be ready for next week.

Churchill.8714:

hex.3218:

Of couse, for the actual troll… Mission Accomplished. I know you read these forums. Enjoy this, the high point of your entire life: griefing in a video game. I know when I was a boy, that’s the mountain I set out to climb. Nothing for you in life will ever feel better than this. Ever. Enjoy your week of glory. The real world will crush you like a maggot once you get out there.

Doesn’t that also imply that for yourself, nothing has ever felt so good. Ipso facto, you miss it (the griefing)? Does this also imply that the real world has crushed you?

Huh? I’m not sure I follow. I was not serious when I said that’s what I set out to do… it was sarcasm.

Wow.

The week doesn’t end until reset folks. Let’s hope that whatever the outcome, everyone shows up and fights fair. I won’t go as far as to say RAMBOGGLE caused it to be this close. No. We’ve had a clear lack of enthusiasm here on JQ as far as our support groups go. Our main guilds still give a good effort, but there’s not enough folks to do the little things.

Couple that with being limited to 1 ram at a time on 2 maps for days, and having to use Golems for everything because we can’t place siege, and yeah. It doesn’t look good for us right now.

Like I said, I won’t go as far as to cop an excuse, because had our turn out been better, we wouldn’t be in this situation. SO, it’s our fault really. The RAMDODGER just happened to be bad timing.

If it’s one week of this nonsense I can accept it. If this continues into the update and spoils the fun I’ve been waiting for over the past month, then I don’t know what else to say.

The worst thing about it is that the type of personalities that do this and condone it are enjoying it at the expense of Blackgate and JQ. We will never know if the outcome would have been the same had there not been tampering. IF Blackgate wins, the taste of victory for some will be soured.

Of couse, for the actual troll… Mission Accomplished. I know you read these forums. Enjoy this, the high point of your entire life: griefing in a video game. I know when I was a boy, that’s the mountain I set out to climb. Nothing for you in life will ever feel better than this. Ever. Enjoy your week of glory. The real world will crush you like a maggot once you get out there.

covenn.7165:

hex.3218:

Plus, I have seen multiple (closer to 10) posters on more than 1 GW forum espousing the same ideas and changing them constantly to fit their arguement, and very few SoR posters even bothering to stick up for themselves and disavow these other posters.

I have seen different posters giving a wide range of opinions on various subjects. Why would you ever presume to attribute that to a whole, let alone claim that?

Also, bravo on the argumentum a silentio play you made there. I am sure nobody will notice it…..

We get it. You read books.

Call of the dogs, my friend. It’s all good.

Just answer me one question, please?

Which is your favorite map for WvW?

Lol. Okay, I’ve said my piece. Folks agree with me.

Good week of fights folks! Oh, and the match up in game is pretty good too!

See you all inside the arena.

Orikx.9671:

hex.3218:

I didn’t agree with you at all. In fact, I find what you just said absolutely absurd. Being pedantic while patronizing someone really says something about you.

He asked you if you are generalizing the opinions of many to be 1 entity, in this case SoR. You responded with a long list of opinions made by different people from SoR and stated that the single entity was changing their mind all the time.
Example:
Person A says, “I only care about the time slot I am in.”
Person B says, “Time right after Reset is the best time for determining who is better.”
You say, SoR is changing the bar for who is best.

So, basically you said “Yes” to his original question. I hope this clears things up.

Edit: I quoted the wrong post. Fixed

No. I’m referring to the posts by that poster on this subject. Scroll up a bit. Someone provided the various opinions of this poster in question.

Plus, I have seen multiple (closer to 10) posters on more than 1 GW forum espousing the same ideas and changing them constantly to fit their arguement, and very few SoR posters even bothering to stick up for themselves and disavow these other posters.

The vocal portion of SoR are saying variations of this. I am responding to the SoR that are representing here.

If anyone from SoR does NOT feel like these other posters, I hope they would understand that this is how your server is being represented. I know that the majorty of SoR players don’t even read the forums, so I’m not too worried about offending folks over there who aren’t being contentious about this.

I haven’t even said anything about JQ being better than SoR. I just want to know by whose rules are we making these judgements? Or failing that, asking if we can get back to discussing particular battles and being a little more in the GG mode and less bragging. That’s my whole point.

Adaneshade.2409:

hex.3218:

Adaneshade.2409:

volmok.3580:

I’d rather see them implement some beneficial things for owning and defending a tower or a camp as a guild.
At the moment there is no reward in defending a tower (unless you have heavily invested in upgrades); you benefit more from flipping it

Somehow I think that this game is not what ANet advertised, but considering it does not require a subscription I am OK with it; when a real RvR game will appear, I’ll make the switch, but until then GW2 will have to do.

V.

The problem is there will NEVER be another RvR game. No one is willing to copy the formula exactly as it was presented in DAoC. It’s just the sad fact that with MMOs being mainstream now, there are more “casuals” than “hardcore”. Back in DAoC’s prime, MMO gamers were a tiny subset of gamers and nearly 100% could be calssified “hardcore”. If given the chance to make beaucoup money or make a game with merit….companies will always pick the money.

Definitions related to this post:
Hardcore – players willing to put hours into creating a build and practicing it, who value something they have to work their kitten off to accomplish, making the accomplishment more important than the reward

Casual – players who’d rather something be easy to master, who don’t see the value in having to work to improve and would rather just be given a “reward” without having to really work for it

I’ve got 2 things to disagree with here. Even UO had ‘casual’ players. Even by your definition of ‘casual’ which is incorrect.

Casual means a player who can or will only dedicate a limited amount of time to a game.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

Casual does not mean ’doesn’t care’, ‘wants things easy’, ’doean’t practice’ in it for cheap rewards and no commitments. Casual means “I only have an hour tonight because the kids are screaming, the wife is sick, I need to finish the taxes, so let me get in and do what I can before I am forcefully torn away from the game.”

And casuals do NOT invest money in the game. hardcore do. The 10 hour a day player is who they target. And they use data to guide them. Players all want different things and we all assume what we want is what the majority must want. We tend to back that up with people on forums saying it. But the majority of players will never post in a forum and probably want just as many varied things as a normal subgroup in a demographic does.

In short, MMOs populations have always been a mix of the curious beginners, the ‘casuals’ without enough time to play, and the hardcore player.

Casual players are not lazy, or greedy, or non caring people, nor are they less deserving of consideration. And they do not make up the ‘taget demographic’ that the designers follow.

TBH, the problem is that PvE tends to be much more popular than PvP in ANY form among most gamers, and always has been. Remember when UO split the shards? That was because 80% of their paying population who would spend hours grinding didn’t want some PvP ganker to take their stuff.

If you could look inside their data numbers, I am willing to bet that even in the beginning, about 80% of players spent their majority of time ( a WIDE majority) in PvE. Only 20% of us in almost any game are ‘hardcore’ PvP. That’s why guilds travel from game to game together because it’s so hard to find enough PvP folks.

Until PvP becomes MUCH more popular, we will never see a true RvR game, true. But ias little to do with casuals, and there aren’t any more casuals than before.

Casual is an incredibly subjective term that means many things to many different people. This is why I provided definitions (similar to what you’d see in any legal document) of EXACTLY what I meant by the term. This in no way invalidates your personal definition or understanding of the word. It just applies a context of the idea I’m trying to convey.

Actually, ‘casual’ is an industry term used by gaming companies to describe the demographic I outlined. It is an accepted definition when talking about gamers.

Casual has many meanings, like casual dress, but not all ‘personal definitions’ are appropriate when applied in certain settings. Your definition of ‘casual’ is upsetting to a gamer who considers himself, in correct game industry parlance, to be casual.

Stick to a neutral definition when ‘defining’ groups of people. Casual players are not lazy or not serious about playing the game at the highest levels.

covenn.7165:

SFShinigami.2015:

NA primetime for SoR is that sliver of time when all the JQ/BG NA people start going to bed and the SoR ones are still awake so they can zerg down keeps that are practically unmanned.

Ignoring your sarcasm, you do raise an interesting point…. when is NA prime time really?

As an east coaster I think it is 7-12pm eastern. Of course that is most likely wrong because it would end at 9pm pacific, which is early imo.

That’s not sarcasm. Sarcasm implies opposite of what’s stated. He stated his point directly. That’s called criticism.

covenn.7165:

hex.3218:

Nah it was sarcasm generated by the belief that one should not keep moving the target for the measure of success.

Interesting.

So who specifically is moving the target?

Please tell me that you aren’t making the classic mistake of thinking that people cannot have different opinions on things, and are instead trying to apply individual opinions to a group of people as a whole? Your sarcasm seems to indicate that you are.

I am not sure I get you…

I’ll explain for my part and see how this goes.

First, SoR said it was weekends that counted. Then it became NA Prime. Now, it’s ‘NA Prime when I’m on.’

First it was PPT at the competative times, then PPT NA Prime, then PPT didn’t matter and was a function of population.

I just want to know the specific times a server needs to ‘dominate’, and how we determine ‘domination’, and have folks stick with those measures.

Example. Recently JQ dominated from 5 pm EST to 11 pm EST as in held the PPT lead. BUT, that didn’t count for domination because SoR owned our Garrison, accourding to folks on SoR.

Recenly, JQ dominated the PPT for the weekend, but that didn’t count. Only Sunday night was when it counted.

Look, I understand you cannot control what happens when you aren’t on. I also understand that SoR is rarely at full strength, except certain days during NA Prime.

But all the noise about folks dominating when it’s equal numbers is subjective unless we could find population graphs for each map, every day of the week and only count those times as a measure of which server plays best at full strength.

OR, we could go back to the original idea which is to talk about individual battles and specific fights and say GG all we had a blast fighting you at X.

That’s what my sarcasm means.

I’m trying here, I really am.

IT’S MOAR BAD CULLING!!!

lol, sorry had to be said.

There are several explanations as given above as to why you didn’t see them. At level 2 all the more reason to be invisible. And a player might just have uncloaked from the fountain buff, not thinking there was any danger.

I always try to whisper folks before reporting if something looks weird. Sometimes they have explanations that make perfect sense.

If this is WAI, then I’m not sure that the ‘I’ means what I think it means…

(and yes, I do know what it means but don’t think it is really WAI)

Trust me, it’s a broken mechanic. Expected or not. But hey, if that’s what it takes to make towers actually tough to take, I’ll play along. I’d rather it gets fixed, but I’m fine with towers being hard to take. They are too easy as is.

My main beef is that if it works for 1 trait, it should work for all. The fact this is the ONLY one means it’s an oversight. Otherwise, the randomness of this choice makes little sense. I could even see if each class had ONE trait (not skill, trait) that had a similar impact on siege.

But to make warriors more important than any other class? Please… If it were an engineer, it might even make sense, but a dumb warrior with a dumb head and ugly face?

Why does everything favor the zerg?

Because when you have more players, you can do exponentially more things. That’s why in your example, more than 2 v 1 odds, they win. IF they have 4 eles in the group who have half a clue.

It’s not the skills that make this possible. It’s the extra 10 people they have to keep you from stopping them from doing ANYTHING they want. An extra 10 people is a LOT of people. If anything, it the keep design that makes this scenario favor the zerg. It should take hours to burn down a wall. The gate should be the only real weak point unless you have tons and tons of siege.

But my point is no matter how they design the skills, a group with twice your numbers to the tune of ten extra players will find a way to wipe you out, even in a tower. No mater HOW they design the skills.

If you had 3 extra eles you could swirling winds the walls and stalemate. See? It’s the leverage that you cant’t fight them toe to to and you can’t keep more than 10 at a time busy.

And if you weaken swirling winds, then trebbing from keeps is insta win anyways.

Like I said… that many more people, yes. You are going to lose unless they a not very good, or you are RG (Redguard guild who routinely can do stuff like defend a tower with 6 people for hours.)

Adaneshade.2409:

volmok.3580:

I’d rather see them implement some beneficial things for owning and defending a tower or a camp as a guild.
At the moment there is no reward in defending a tower (unless you have heavily invested in upgrades); you benefit more from flipping it

Somehow I think that this game is not what ANet advertised, but considering it does not require a subscription I am OK with it; when a real RvR game will appear, I’ll make the switch, but until then GW2 will have to do.

V.

The problem is there will NEVER be another RvR game. No one is willing to copy the formula exactly as it was presented in DAoC. It’s just the sad fact that with MMOs being mainstream now, there are more “casuals” than “hardcore”. Back in DAoC’s prime, MMO gamers were a tiny subset of gamers and nearly 100% could be calssified “hardcore”. If given the chance to make beaucoup money or make a game with merit….companies will always pick the money.

Definitions related to this post:
Hardcore – players willing to put hours into creating a build and practicing it, who value something they have to work their kitten off to accomplish, making the accomplishment more important than the reward

Casual – players who’d rather something be easy to master, who don’t see the value in having to work to improve and would rather just be given a “reward” without having to really work for it

I’ve got 2 things to disagree with here. Even UO had ‘casual’ players. Even by your definition of ‘casual’ which is incorrect.

Casual means a player who can or will only dedicate a limited amount of time to a game.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

Casual does not mean ’doesn’t care’, ‘wants things easy’, ’doean’t practice’ in it for cheap rewards and no commitments. Casual means “I only have an hour tonight because the kids are screaming, the wife is sick, I need to finish the taxes, so let me get in and do what I can before I am forcefully torn away from the game.”

And casuals do NOT invest money in the game. hardcore do. The 10 hour a day player is who they target. And they use data to guide them. Players all want different things and we all assume what we want is what the majority must want. We tend to back that up with people on forums saying it. But the majority of players will never post in a forum and probably want just as many varied things as a normal subgroup in a demographic does.

In short, MMOs populations have always been a mix of the curious beginners, the ‘casuals’ without enough time to play, and the hardcore player.

Casual players are not lazy, or greedy, or non caring people, nor are they less deserving of consideration. And they do not make up the ‘taget demographic’ that the designers follow.

TBH, the problem is that PvE tends to be much more popular than PvP in ANY form among most gamers, and always has been. Remember when UO split the shards? That was because 80% of their paying population who would spend hours grinding didn’t want some PvP ganker to take their stuff.

If you could look inside their data numbers, I am willing to bet that even in the beginning, about 80% of players spent their majority of time ( a WIDE majority) in PvE. Only 20% of us in almost any game are ‘hardcore’ PvP. That’s why guilds travel from game to game together because it’s so hard to find enough PvP folks.

Until PvP becomes MUCH more popular, we will never see a true RvR game, true. But ias little to do with casuals, and there aren’t any more casuals than before.

covenn.7165:

Sanxxx.5126:

…and the best bit is the OP probably believes it all

Nah it was sarcasm that was generated by the belief that one should stress about that which they cannot control.

Nah it was sarcasm generated by the belief that one should not keep moving the target for the measure of success.

We were leading the PPT last night NA Prime time during the five minutes that I was on. Therefore, JQ is the best NA Prime time server when it’s most competative.

And not just last night, but another night as well.

And on weekends, when I’m on, we dominate NA Prime. At least when I’m on.

I don’t care about anything else.

Except that even when we’re not dominating the PPT, we are doing more with less than any other server. That’s winning. Not PPT. Except when we have the PPT lead. Then, that’s winning too.

Basically what it comes down to is when I’m on, the other servers can’t match us player for player skill wise. Zerg all you want, other servers, but that’s not skill! Skill is what we do. Learn it and then maybe you can compete with the best!

High five!

Jon Snow.6780:

It’s some clueless kittens who are going back and forth, followed by more kittens stirring it back up once it gets calmed down again. basically it’s like this:

“You guys zerg so bad.”
“No you guys zerg.”
“No. We have skill.”
“No. You have 100 people zerg.”
“Only 80 can be on map. BTW you have 80 people zerg.”
“No we run 2 man all time! u zerger!”
“We don’t even enter WvW. You zerg!”

I wasn’t aware that suddenly zerging was a huge new issue. I thought it had been the main complaint for the past 6 months. Who knew?

And the funny comments that show how silly the fighting is are getting deleted while the troll comments get to stay. It is by far the worst official forum I have ever been a part of. ZERO functionality. Overly moderated. ARBITRARILY moderated. No response tracking. I have to read page after page just to see if anyone is talking to me… no thread subscriptions or sorting…

Just freaking JUNK. If I wasn’t so bored at work, I’d never go there.

I Copy and pasted this from another forum,because it`s true.
Could not say it any better than this.

Lol!!! That was MEEE!!!

It’s not overpowered until you’re the one that gets perma-glued to the ground unexpectedly in the open field because some server has a burr in their hair because they are losing and has decided that instead of trying to take objectives, they are going to grief people.

Sure, you can get a group and stay far far away and destroy them your own seige, but it’s a waste of time and effort on something that shouldn’t even be POSSIBLE to do. You can’t have 1 trait out of 100 apply to siege. Either they all do, or they all don’t.

And it’s hillarious that before this thread was created I’d run into this once. NOW it’s everywhere… it’s kinda sad that such a high percentage of the WvW population reads about this and instead of being against it, they hop into the game and immediately exploit it because it’s the only way they can get badges.

See, now this has to go. It’s a sickness. It’s invasive and will eat us all.

They’re now realizing that the culling fix will make everyone notice the skill lag problem and are busy writing a response for March 27th when folks start to ragequit.

Well… this explains a few things that have happened to me recently.

Enrage the mamals?

DONE!

Very simple. New map. The arena. It’s under the WvW panel. It has no value to WvW other than a testing ground. Most times (after the initial griefing period), it would probably stay empty. But if 2 guilds from different servers wanted to have at it, they could meet up.

Or they could add 30 v 30 sPvP, and other common variations.

Swear a lot. Use all caps. Never take the blame. Waste siege. Always lead groups into situations they can’t win, like SM.

That’s what most commanders do!

No, but seriously. Follow a good commander around and learn their tricks. How do you know they’re good? They win most encounters, and have respect for other players on their team while doing it.

Memser needs a hard control. Make Feedback have a 4 second root.

That guy needs to lrn2 jq.com

Well, have fun in here. I’m leaving for a while before I get mod stomped again.

Well said, Stei. Truth is EMP doesn’t need defending. Noodles is the hardest working man in WvW. They have the sack to take on other guilds in WvW. That’s enough for me. Plus they totally wrecked hills in BGBL earlier.

EMP makes an easy target because they are well known and very visible on map. Just like Tsym took a lot of crap when SoS was king. The truth of what EMP can do is on map, not in the forum. And that map is in the game, not on youtube.

I have a feeling that we’re going to learn a lot this week about which guilds are the best and it won’t be from a GvG matchup. Get your helmets on folks.

CDS,
(please read the whole thing before responding)

Here’s your ‘extra fighters’ up in the back (see attached). He probably saw them and assumed they were in on it because a few folks are fighting right near them. In the heat of the battle, when two folks show up where they weren’t before (and you can watch the vid, those two were not there earlier), it could seem like you had extras.

Add to the fact that there’s been a lot of tension between the two servers recently, especially on GvG issues, and you can see how Noodles might have made that mistake.

I am not an EMP defender. I can attest for certain that nowhere in that video does CDS have any extra players. The highest I count is 14. I’ve gone through the whole thing and it was a fair fight. They might not have been ready, but they saw you coming and reacted, so looks up and up to me.

TO ALL:

We’re all just players. Had we started on different servers, maybe we’d be on the same team. No one is more kitten than anyone else. It’s all imagined ‘server x is my enemy’ stuff. It’s roleplay that some of us forget to turn off when it goes a little to far.

Everyone take deep breath, get your heads on straight and get back to enjoying the competition instead of playing “Angry Words With Friends”.

You’re all old enough to act like civilized people. In the end, no one will remember this in a year anyways, so why let it crank you off now?

Go for a walk, or take a day to work in the local homeless shelter, and then come back and get over your 1st world problems.

That means everyone.

I have a great idea. Why don’t all the SoR and JQ folks actually go play the game, find each other and fight it out non GvG right now? I heard there’s a match on IN GAME.

Gotta say Blackgate is about the only server that doesn’t have people crying in here. Take this crap to the other thread about that match please… JQ folks too. Have a Coke and a Smile and go play and have fun. This went nowhere last week and is just a way for some folks with wounded pride to get under your skin.

Let’s get back to the match in the game.

kidbs.8920:

hex.3218:

dwahvel.7356:

wish.3102:

All of SORs WvW community should move to JQ to fill in our NA afternoon/night time coverage gap, or team up with kaineng somehow to create a third tier 1 server.

Never gonna happen. All the hardcore wvw guilds are staying, only way I see a third tier 1 server would be transfers coming to SoR.

Or to Kaening.

SoR already has a larger WvW population than Kaineng. It would make more sense for Kaineng to move here. Kaineng also has more large guilds so it would be easier for them to coordinate moves than the guilds on SoR.

Also @Titan, you are sorely mistaken if you think that KN is stronger than SoR. You’re playing in tier 1 on a week where SoR is pretty much taking a break and having fun goofing off (heck we were running a full zerg of all necros and mesmers for fun last night, over half of them were lowbies). I feel confident when I say that pound per pound SoR has the strongest players.

If you had watched the numbers on prior weekends, SoR is very competitive. We only drop due to coverage issues. We have some of the best commanders in the game and a very unified front.

Naw… Kaineng is a better landing spot. They have WM. The gaps are easier to fill there. Everyone… stack on kaineng!

dwahvel.7356:

wish.3102:

All of SORs WvW community should move to JQ to fill in our NA afternoon/night time coverage gap, or team up with kaineng somehow to create a third tier 1 server.

Never gonna happen. All the hardcore wvw guilds are staying, only way I see a third tier 1 server would be transfers coming to SoR.

Or to Kaening.

ComeAndSee.1356:

Asglarek.8976:

Haziq.3907:

Wow even after all the transfers into BG , JQ is still winning. It must have alot of dedicated WvWers , or just too much players lol.

JQ was a solid T1 wv3 server since launch these other servers weren’t they are like average athletes that use steroids (transfers) to enhance their game play competitiveness but strip away the facade and all you have is a T5 or whatever server.

Except when the King (HoD) lost its crown everyone transferred to JQ because they were #2.

Uhhhhh….. what? I’d go fact check this. Most of TA did NOT end up on JQ and at that point we did not receive any other real transfers.

Porky.5021:

hex.3218:

I can’t believe it’s March and we still have people that insist there are intentional 2 v 1 conspiracies… when you fight against 2 other servers, it’s ALWAYS a 2 v 1!!!

GREETINGS, JADE QUARRY INVADER

I am also surprised by that. It’s a 1v1v1 setup. Every server gets 2v1’d, every server thinks they’re getting 2v1’d, and every server is particing in a 2v1. It’s the nature of the setup. I’ve stood and watched the other two servers kill each other over a tower while someone in my server’s map chat was complaining about us being 2v1’d.

It’s the way 1v1v1’s go. It’s surprising that people in March that have been playing for anywhere from 4 to 6 months do not know that by now.

PORKUS!!! My bud!

You know I tell that story every chance I get! And how freaked out the other JQ guy on my team was… I laugh just thinking about I AM SOS SPY TAKE ME TO YOUR GARRISON! lol

Wishing you well. Feel free to come over to JQ for a bit when you have time.

Israel.7056:

Asglarek.8976:

You do know how the elo glicko system works right? In lay terms that week 1 loss to jq means bg has to beat jq twice by double the points just to get back where they were in week1also theoretically jq could maintain rank1 by finishing a close 2nd for several weeks,

How many points would BG have to beat JQ by to get 1st overall?

One. Billion. Points.

Not saying it’s BG’s fault or problem, P. It’s the same ‘one guy’ every freaking matchup. deserves 20 responses after a while.

I can’t believe it’s March and we still have people that insist there are intentional 2 v 1 conspiracies… when you fight against 2 other servers, it’s ALWAYS a 2 v 1!!!

BG and SoR 2 v 1 JQ
JQ and SoR 2 v 1 BG
BG and JQ 2 v 1 SoR

Unfortunately, you can’t set it so that you only have to fight one, while everyone else fights 2. That’s what it seems people want…

urzen.7096:

pot.6805:

urzen.7096:

dragon.8625:

I totally understand SoR’s position this week, just head hunting to try to stay in Tier 1, even though they don’t belong here, as their score keeps showing they just don’t have the coverage to compete. I would think that if they where really double teaming BG because a few guilds on our server ran their mouth, that they would negotiate a place in second. Unfortunately not the case, so who knows what is really happening behind the scenes. But there you go, SoR 0 ppt, 11pm server time.

I read all the bad talk about BeastGate, and I am not going to respond to it, I just want to point out that we took on the #1 server in north america, we are fighting off their pet dogs at the same time and we still hold a strong second position in Tier 1, good job to everybody on BG that is spending so many hours every day in WvW to make the difference, and to all of our commanders out there, and all of our amazing WvW guilds that fight regardless of what anybody says.

Can’t wait until we push SoR into the tier they belong in and we match up with Kaineng again. I’ve been missing me some War Machine fights.

We belong here because their is no other world that can compete with us over time besides JQ (and BG for the moment). If someone else moves up, we will be solid in T2 and someone above us will fall and we’ll be right back in T1 again. Afaik there are only two consistent servers, JQ and SOR. We are the only who have have not fallen below T2 since our rise. Maybe thats due to some sort of loyalty characteristic.

If history repeats, SOR will eventually get some more coverage, beat BG, and BG bandwagoners will fall off causing them to fall down again. Much like SOS, IOJ and others.

What do you mean “for the moment” when mentioning BG? You forgot BG in your list of consistent servers, we’ve already survived fall from T1 before. We’ve never fallen more then one ranking spot in how many months? We dust the dirt off our shoulder and keep it moving.

If we were going to implode, don’t you think it would have happened already?

Youre right, you did only drop to 4th. I was thinking of HOD I think. Make that 3 consistent servers then. Point being SOR deserves third. And we dont mind proving it in t2 again. Whoever takes our place in t1 will have the same problems, implode, and we’ll be right back in it.

Whoever comes into 3rd would need some serious reenforcements to do any better than SoR, I agree. But you never know what could happen. SoS NEVER would have thought they’d have a mass exodus with transfers costing money. BG didn’t expect to get that huge boost either.

Either way, at some point, one of the servers from 3 to 5 will fold and their guilds will end up either on BG to get them on top or on SoR/Kaening to solidify a permanent 2nd and 3rd place contender.

Heck, the March update might turn any server out there into a waking giant. If even 15% of a server’s PvE population starts to WvW on a regular basis, there would be a huge shift.

Even more likely, March 26th comes and goes with only a faint wimper and people jump to new games, sending one if not all of the top servers down to lower tiers.

If we’ve learned on thing so far it’s to expect the oppositve of what seems likely.

Gotta say thanks to the BG posters who keep up the score updates. You guys are awesome.

Sanxxx.5126:

hex.3218:

Sanxxx.5126:

Whether FEAR are good or not they were just playing the game.

If only the G(imp) v G(imp) forum warriors put that effort into WvW we’d probably have some better fights.

Ah the anonymity of the internet spawns another digital hero! Bravo, sir! You have made such an excellent point, we will now be closing the internet permanently as there is nothing left to be said.

As far as good fights go, you have to actually stick around to have one.

Ah attempts at humor, makes my day.

Well its nice to see people sticking around the forums all day having a good fight.

I’ll be out of work soon enough sweetheart. Wait around for me and we’ll sort this out.

globe.7238:

hex.3218:

globe.7238:

Regardless of them zerging your GvG session, if they want to play that way then so be it. Stop flaming them already and get over it. You guys constantly complaining about them is just as bad as them rolling over your GvG. You talk about “respect” and “manners”, well learn to be the bigger person and move on. Getting on the forums and throwing hissy fits isnt going to do anything, roll them on the field when you see them and maybe they’ll think twice before doing it again.

You’re kinda ‘throwing a hissy fit’ yourself, there…

The truth hurts dont it? I wasnt there, and I didnt get zerg’d, nor did I come to the forums complaining about it. This thread is for score updates, not server drama.

You’re new here, aren’t you?

Where your score update then?

Sanxxx.5126:

Whether FEAR are good or not they were just playing the game.

If only the G(imp) v G(imp) forum warriors put that effort into WvW we’d probably have some better fights.

Ah the anonymity of the internet spawns another digital hero! Bravo, sir! You have made such an excellent point, we will now be closing the internet permanently as there is nothing left to be said.

As far as good fights go, you have to actually stick around to have one.

globe.7238:

Regardless of them zerging your GvG session, if they want to play that way then so be it. Stop flaming them already and get over it. You guys constantly complaining about them is just as bad as them rolling over your GvG. You talk about “respect” and “manners”, well learn to be the bigger person and move on. Getting on the forums and throwing hissy fits isnt going to do anything, roll them on the field when you see them and maybe they’ll think twice before doing it again.

You’re kinda ‘throwing a hissy fit’ yourself, there…

I know that the internet is about never admitting you’re wrong and all, but some of you should just post a quick “Okay, my bad” and save what little of your reputation is left.

Maybe if certain guilds spent less time farming badges and more time taking objectives (especially when your two opposing servers are busy doing and watching GvG), maybe your server would be doing a little better than they are.

I am an SoR defender in the fact that I have always found them to be hard working and pretty good on the field of battle. It’s a shame when one guild can make an entire server look bad.

If you want to play the whole ‘Red is Dead’ and ‘PvP zone anything goes!’ card, maybe BG and JQ should show you why that is a bad policy. If anything goes, then perhaps BG and JQ should spand the next few days spawn camping every exit of your home waypoint. We need bags too. If your going to leave your starting area, it’s your own fault.

There are many ways to draw out this match that you wouldn’t like…

Stealth is fine.

I’ve never lost a fight due to stealth.

I’ve never heard of a stealth build soloing 4 people. Never heard of. Ever. I’d need to see some video evidence of this.

I DO NOT play a stealth build.

Uh, that’s kinda the point. You’re supposed to lose the tower eventually. They’ve stated this. The want every server to have at least 1 foothold on every BL map regardless of player presence.

I guess it works.

Funniest thing ever was when an enemy invited me to a group and he started saying things like “SURRENDER JQ FOE! I AM SOS SPY! PLEASE TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER!” and such nonsense. We had a fun time talking for about an hour.

Point is, being able to do this is not a bad thing. It’s more that bad people will find anyway to abuse the current abilities of a system to troll and grief others.

GG Blackgate! You guys and girls are a class act. Keep up that fighting spirit. This was one of the best weeks ever thanks to you. We are all winners this week (except for SoS).

VOLKON.1290:

hex.3218:

JQ has politics too.

One guys says “I’m gonna do this.” he goes and does it and then everybody tells him how bad he screwed up! It’s a great system, but you have to have thick skin, so we’ve been stapling elephant hides to each other and doing that shin kick thing from the Kumatae vids we watch (daily).

Most of us are Samurai and don’t get involved in politics. We roam the countryside in search of danger. Some of us have shutguns.

JQ politics doesn’t have any red tape either. Can we borrow some?

Here on JQ our motto is “OMFG! RUN! I’M ON FIRE!!!!” and it’s served us well in the past, present and future (for those that time commute to WvW).

You’ll be seeing a lot more of JQ in the comming weeks because our invisibility is about to wear off.

Just thought you’d know…

I thought it was “OMFG! RUN! I’M IN FIRE!!!!”

Well… I am.

First Guild Pun Ever!