you should still use the retribution trait+ you need to have as many evade skills as possible.
so it goes like this:
Venom back stabs you
you use shiro’s riposting shadows to stun break and evade, roll,roll,riposting shadow maybe one more roll, now quickly switch to your other legend because we cant afford to waste shiro’s energy (if you did not start in shiro then you need to evade kite for 9 seconds) your aim is not to fight the thief but to get back to your group or keep, so use staff 5 in the direction you want to go then staff 3 to stall for time, then switch to your other weapon; if you use sword sword use sword skill 4 and skill 3 to stall for time or if you use sword/shield use shield skill 5 to stall, if you are a condi build and you have mace/axe then you need to use unyielding anguish, it has no evade skill but it creates a distance for a short time. you should get one more roll during this time thanks to retribution+herald trait line so dont forget to use it. by now 9 seconds are up so you can go back to shiro and repeat.
Best way to fight a thief now is not to.
you would get 0 chance to use your down skills which is essential for eles.
Stop trying to implement pvp changes to wvw.
This is why wvw is in such a bad state, people with no clue who think pvp changes will work fine in wvw.
Front line revanat in wvw has been killed by the patch unless you use jalis which lowers you dps +the stab skill(Inspiring Reinforcement) uses too much energy meaning you cant do anything .
and good luck stomping anything in pvp without stab, all other classes have a way to stomp without being interrupted rev has lost their only stomp skill.
dead class
What you talkin’ bout hype? I’ve yet to see myself go down easily in pushes in WvW after the changes. Must be your build, armor, or positioning, because I’m not having any problems as frontline Rev.
are you getting stab from guardians in you party?
do you use mallyx/glint?
what weapons do you use?Mallyx/glint, hammer/staff, getting stab from guardians in the party, though how long it lasts depends on how bad the CC is. If you’re having problems still, outside of combat start in Glint, use the F2 and Chaos facets. Let your energy hit 0, and when your energy hits 25-27, do it again. You can stack up to 25s of protection (48s before the nerf), which will help you survive through the first 2 pushes. Just make sure you switch to Mallyx when the pushing starts, and switch back to Glint whenever you can get it off and have enough time to switch to Mallyx before the next push.
i dont like using hammer with condi rev,
no worriers, i have changed the way i play now
shrio/mallyx mace/axe sword/sword
i have mobility like a one legged thief + nice dps thanks to shrio
Front line revanat in wvw has been killed by the patch unless you use jalis which lowers you dps +the stab skill(Inspiring Reinforcement) uses too much energy meaning you cant do anything .
and good luck stomping anything in pvp without stab, all other classes have a way to stomp without being interrupted rev has lost their only stomp skill.
dead class
What you talkin’ bout hype? I’ve yet to see myself go down easily in pushes in WvW after the changes. Must be your build, armor, or positioning, because I’m not having any problems as frontline Rev.
are you getting stab from guardians in you party?
do you use mallyx/glint?
what weapons do you use?
Front line revanat in wvw has been killed by the patch unless you use jalis which lowers you dps +the stab skill(Inspiring Reinforcement) uses too much energy meaning you cant do anything .
and good luck stomping anything in pvp without stab, all other classes have a way to stomp without being interrupted rev has lost their only stomp skill.
dead class
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the only class that can uncloak stealth is herald.
Engineer and dragonhunter also has reveal. The stealth gyro toolbelt, analyze, lock on, and lights judgement. Taunts can break ppl out of stealth as well.
no guardian is going to use that skill in wvw and engineers are too gimmicky
Too gimmicky?
they cant kill anything in wvw
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/revenant/Legend-Condi-Rev-S4/first#post6330074
use this build with runes of melandru sword/shield mace/axe.
vs engi/guard spam mallyx banish, vs necro/mes/condi war spam mallyx pain absorptionvs thief use glint gaze+aoe spam on your self, then mallyx embrace
Melandru runes? I would think leadership is the best for the boon duration so that your resistance uptime is really high.
melandru reduceds stun durations which is a condi revs weakness vs warriors
also resistance boon can be stripped by necros and the cool down on the leader ship elite skill is too long while there is no cool down on melandru.
the only class that can uncloak stealth is herald.
Engineer and dragonhunter also has reveal. The stealth gyro toolbelt, analyze, lock on, and lights judgement. Taunts can break ppl out of stealth as well.
no guardian is going to use that skill in wvw and engineers are too gimmicky
stealth dragon hunter
What?
Superior Rune of the Trapper
sounds like someone is mad because thieves keep getting away or are burst you down.
dude, we all understand your frustration. i even felt the same back before HoT when i was mainly warrior and teefs would run away. if not, they would stealth forever and slowly but surely they would take me out.since of this summer ive been playing thief because if you cant beat them, you might as well join them. and, let me tell you. boy, oh boy! at first it was a nightmare, i was horrible at it. i would hop back onto my warrior and they would still shut me down. i didnt get it! but with practice ive gotten the hang of it.
however, i dont think stealth is poor nor is one of the worse implementation into the MMO market. i find it unique, well the whole entire game is nothing like the other mmos.
thats why its been rated top 5 since release according to http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/show/all/sCol/rankHype/sOrder/descbut to push your buttons, check out this video of me vs this very heavy stealth thief who almost beat me. i even think he over did it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcEw71ATdpk
lol there is no skill to playing thief not now anyway after the release of HOT,
all you have to do is stack lead attacks+assassin’s signet+stealth backstab 10-15K if that fails then you doge doge doge pistol dagger stealth then run away till you skills come of cool down and repeat.
edit: lol i did not even watch your video before i made my post, but you proved my point, what a borning fight.
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stealth thief, stealth memser, stealth engineer, stealth dragon hunter, stealth durid, stealth blast, and the only class that can uncloak stealth is herald.
nice balance.
back like zerk durid is fun to play and has a lot of sustain/mobility, wheni play it i alway look for eles to rapid fire as i know they are zerk too, also i love to troll with the pets to test the enemyes skill level.
mabey if people did not play the “meta” WvW would have more variety.
condi rev is best because of the resistance boon, there are far too many condi scrubs who know how to dish out condi but not take it.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/revenant/Legend-Condi-Rev-S4/first#post6330074
use this build with runes of melandru sword/shield mace/axe.
vs engi/guard spam mallyx banish, vs necro/mes/condi war spam mallyx pain absorption
vs thief use glint gaze+aoe spam on your self, then mallyx embrace
There is no point linking servers to balance them when people can pay 500gems to join the “winning” t1 server.
the point of server linking was to create balance fights but it has done the complete opposite in the EU servers. People dont like fighting 10:1 I dont care how good you are it is not fun to play like this 24/7 and this creates a snowball effect causing more people to stop playing and thus creating a bigger imbalance.
I dont see the point of linking server A that has a pop of 250 players to server B that has a pop of 50 players to fight server C that has a pop of 300 players but you leave the gem transfer of server B at 500gems and server C at 1800gems meaning everyone bandwagons to server B giving it a pop of 500 players which totally undoes the balancing before the fight even starts.
Deso are the LAST server I want to hear from about fairness, You have been karma riding every server when you were linked and never said a word about you unfair advantage.
Only now the tables have been flipped your post start to emerge.
Pathetic
Not noticed a single thing different than from before!
Still a zerg infected, unbalanced, neglected mode!
We’re getting tired of servers running in 80-man zergs, karma training and then laughing at the 30 people the other server has on at the time.
Or even more pathetic, when your 40-man zerg continuously wipes that 80-man enemy zerg, that the enemy start building ACs everywhere!
But even then you still wipe them, and then they resort to map hopping to take unguarded towers, and then when you come after them, they hop to another map to avoid you!But of course to get rid of the zerg mentality, Anet needs to spend time, money resources, hire someone with a brain cell etc.
The game mode is dead, we’re all just waiting for another game to come along with large scale fights!
I hear you got a new DLC in the works, is it even gonna have something for WvW? Or will it just have a new trait line which makes it pay-2-win like HoT did?!
That is a server population issue,
skirmishes was introduce to stop a group of 5-10 who deliberately decide to play in the hours no one is on (2-3am in the morning) and thus end up determining the outcome of the match up.
It has definitely reduced the effectiveness of night capping,
it’s just full of glory hunters now, everyone is transferring to the “winning” server which is made eaiser via server linking. I guess people find queuing for 1-2 hours to spawn camp an outnumbered server fun.
I get better more balance fights in eotm so when im not in pvp that is where i spend my time.
You give anet money for 0 effort when you keep server hopping to banwagon on the winning server, so anet has no reason to fix what is making them money.
same reason with the glide skins, it makes money so rather fix bugs they make more skins.
So let me get this straight you match FSP vs BB vs Kodash for one weekup which was really a boring matchup. Now after reset we see it’s FSP vs Piken vs Jade Sea. Everyone’s hyped for reset and the weekend in general. AND skirmish scores glitch out, anet reset them, thus reverting this week back to our old matchup…….
REALLY?
Another reset plz,,,,,,,
If not well guess another bored FSP week
If you are so bored of the one sided fights why not move servers
Glint/Malyx is very powerful. I’m not saying that because i go beat by it, but because i played it, i loved it, but i have to admit that easily stacking 25 torment while loading up on boons, and continually resisting conditions is frightening even from my point of view as the player.
I’ m not sure why it’s not more common than it already is.
cause it loses a lot of stun breaks
(you have to give up shiro and invocation)You get 2 stacks of stability on dodges. That gets you through most situations tbh.
It’s not enough,
but i have found using shiro/mallyx to be a great combo in wvw small fights as the stun break on shrio has no cool down timer and creates a gap from your enemies.
I will only use glint in blobs when team mates given lot stab.
there is no point linking servers if you leave the flood gates open were people can join the big guilds via proxy, either you lock the servers or raise the transfer cost when linking.
one of the reason i only venture out in blobs or i hug a tower that i can run into if im alone,
its like treading in muddy water full of piranhas.
you get into a fight and your health is below 50%, if a zerk thief pops up you are finished
Glint/Malyx is very powerful. I’m not saying that because i go beat by it, but because i played it, i loved it, but i have to admit that easily stacking 25 torment while loading up on boons, and continually resisting conditions is frightening even from my point of view as the player.
I’ m not sure why it’s not more common than it already is.
cause it loses a lot of stun breaks
(you have to give up shiro and invocation)
Condi Chrono is problably the king of 1v1. But nobody will want 1v1 you because it’s boring.
lol exactly,
when i see a condi chrono i just run away, best way to fight them is not to fight them.
if he wants to roam untouched this is the best class to play,
and as he said he is a thief so the stealth game play wont be new to him.
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Very strange linkings. FSP got a second partner resulting in a too strong #1 server group. GH did not get a second partner resulting in a too weak #15 server group. Instead to reduce the spread between #1 and #15 we will see a larger gap – just the opposite of the goal of server linking.
In addition it becomes more and more clear for me that Arenanet’s decision to evaluate linkings every two months is really not good.
yep, now all the glory hunters are transferring to fps via proxy. I hope they enjoy their 2 hour queue to fight an empty server as their enemy will give up due to the one sided battle
There is no point linking servers to “balance them” if you are going to leave server transfer open.
lol at the glory hunters that wasted gold to switch servers.
condi mesmers are ridiculous.
The Pulsating Pestilence is a buff for condi WvW players(so expect it to get nerfed) as you can control when to pass on the condi.. But i agree anothe month of nerfs for rev, and thiefs get another buff with the venom share.
It is obvious now anet is only interested in PVP, they are so thristy to make gw2 mlg status it is becomming pathetic.
Thief venom cripples wvw fights, it is a op bullkitten skill that takes no skill, now you want to get it.
really what was the point if this?
And if you are going to refund us give us back the laurels.
Im just waiting for crowfall now. WVW feels like an add on idea that how no real planning.
with crowfall, bannerlord, and starcitizen releasing in the future i just dont see my self playing this game for long.
dont roam with rev no matter what the build, anet only want mes and thiefs to roam.
best set up is to play thief
kitten revant,
im having more fun on my full zerk thief, bas venom+ 7k back stab.
leet skills.
‘Useless’ is a bit over the top. Glint and F2 still makes Herald very useful to have in the group for boon sharing. A well aimed CoR into the enemy zerg does huge damage , often nearly one shotting squishy backliners.
You have to go nearly full zerk gear to hit damage with hammer 2 and that leaves you open to zerk thiefs. The time it take to land one COR I could lay down 2-3 wells with a necro which does more than damage. And lets not forget COR only works on flat surface so it’s a nerfed skill fresh out of the oven
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WvW – CoR and boon bot
Raids – Boonbot, mostly for F2
Spvp – Im honestly not sure whats his role atm other than feeders to condi builds as his potential to +1 got dramatically decreased .Tons of unviable and bugged stuff. Whatever we wont try to do, other class can do better. Revenant seems to be in a “good” spot now where Shiro, the legendary assassin is a joke in comprasion to some dude who calls himself a thief.
Jalis, legendary warrior who is as dangerous as 3yr old kid.
Mallyx, the demon that punishment you hard and feasted on conditions is countered by one boonstrip from a puny necro.
Glint, one of the most powerful beings except Elder Dragons which is countered by not attacking during healing skill.And then we have pearls like sword mh that drastically loses damage as more than one target show up while still aiming for pets, clones, houses, gates and even stuff not visible on map at all, its like trying to say “hey rev, i hear youre kittened”
And revenant mechanic is the best part about him. “Energy management” which is all about autoattacking stuff to death. No ways to gain energy or to actually feel like we managing it, just autoatk, when you run out of energy swap. I start to wonder whats the point of the 100 energy cap when youll never reach it anywhere. Its just drain&swap. Energy management my kitten.
exactly, there is no management, you use one skill that eats all you energy and you are left vulnerable+ you now have a cool down on your skill. you are better of just playing a thief.
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I think the nerf to Phase Traversal was over the top. I can agree to an increase in energy, but not by that much.
People have to understand that shiro is the only mobility rev has, and by making Phase Traversal virtually flunk 1/3 of their energy bar on top of a cd to close a gap, revenants are paying in DAMAGE/DEFENSE as an opportunity cost compared to a thief or warrior who have similar low cooldown mobility that doesn’t cost them damage.
I’m just not sure how they can justify daredevil with 3 dashes, massive endurance regen, massive DPS, and pretty much unrivaled movement and stealth spam while nerfing rev because it’s the one class that can punish thieves in their own game.
If there’s something WvW needs less of, it’s thieves.
Mesmers and tempests you can disengage and outrun, there is no outrunning a thief or warrior.
lol, i will be playing zerk basilisk venom thief. sick and tired of fighting with a kitten sword. wont ever be using rev in wvw again.
this class will be dead in wvw, but they dont care about wvw only their stupid pvp pro leauge.
The high energy cost +cool downs means you are just penalising your self twice while other classes only have one or the other.
And still no fix to ascended swords that deal normal swords damage (which proves they only care about pvp balance).
and still no fix on the ascended swords that deal normal weapon damage.
Well i have had enough, i will only log on to open my daily reward chest, and if there is no improvement in a month i wil just stop playing.
pvp
sigil of generosity + purity(i wish you could use sigil of cleansing)
invocation(make sure to use roiling mists)/retribution/herald.
staff+sword shield
cavalier amulet
you can pick what rune to use but i use rune of melandruswap legends often to remove condi.
only use your glint heal when there is +3 condis with high stack.dont fight condi mesmer/thief 2v1 as they will kite you as you lack range.
Why cavaliers over knights?
Both provide same toughness and power but knights is precision(more crits) over cavaliers ferocity (stronger crits) then use a rune like hoelbrek…i think it would work avout the same for survivalbility and you will be hitting much harder on average
I will give your suggestion a try, but should i still use roiling mists?
f2 herald fury and staff 5
thats just the same as dbl with less players and more pve (shrines)
pvp
sigil of generosity + purity(i wish you could use sigil of cleansing)
invocation(make sure to use roiling mists)/retribution/herald.
staff+sword shield
cavalier amulet
you can pick what rune to use but i use rune of melandru
swap legends often to remove condi.
only use your glint heal when there is +3 condis with high stack.
dont fight condi mesmer/thief 2v1 as they will kite you as you lack range.
WvWvW isn’t duel zone, it is warground, all around cry pls dont kill me, pls dont kill my oponent, pls go aways we have a duel, no one help u in combat coz they think it is duel. Stop it guys pls, and dear Anet, pls make a duel zone (not guild arena) in pve world, that all over the tyria can enter and use comand /duel or use buff from npc to make dialog with another player and duel him
there already is a dule zone called Obsidian Sanctum. Why they dont’t use it no one knows.
Because duelers are also roamers, camp flippers, and scouts.
I dont see how a dueler who constantly hangs around sm taggin it with dules can call themself a scout/roamer.
Nobody comes to WvW exclusively to duel. They are just dueling for the time being and will probably go back to doing other stuff later. I don’t see how being a zergling makes your spot in queue more important than anyone else’s.
You do what you want i do what i want.
Who cares, just kill them.
This is like when the karma trainers in eotm complained and cried about duelers killing karma training upscales in eotm. The duelers aregument was that “this is a pvp area hurr durr go pve blah blah”
Same applies here, its a pvp area and you can and should kill everyone with a red nametag.
Thing is if you kill duelers with zerg they get angry and start harassing ur zerg and ur own server duellers will start messing with ur defense activations also giving info to other team and all that stuff what you love , its just better leave duellers alone makes ur life easyer
Yes sir. If I am dueling someone and my servers zerg blobs down my fight – you better bet I will start following that zerg and dropping troll food on them every time they stop and troll trebs on every supply depot when they cap stuff. I am that guy, will always be that guy. You mess with how I want to play, I’ll mess with how you want to play.
Moral of the story is to treat others the way you want to be treated. If you want people to mess with your game play, go ahead and mess with theirs.
But you are messing with how others want to play by dueling and not helping people cap points or fight the blob. So dont be mad when a blob runs your dule over.
By that logic, everyone not in WvW on your server is “messing with how others want to play.”
I dont know what this sentence means, all i am saying is dont whisper me when i interrupt your dule, if you want to dule that is fine but i can do what i want in this game too.
WvWvW isn’t duel zone, it is warground, all around cry pls dont kill me, pls dont kill my oponent, pls go aways we have a duel, no one help u in combat coz they think it is duel. Stop it guys pls, and dear Anet, pls make a duel zone (not guild arena) in pve world, that all over the tyria can enter and use comand /duel or use buff from npc to make dialog with another player and duel him
there already is a dule zone called Obsidian Sanctum. Why they dont’t use it no one knows.
Because duelers are also roamers, camp flippers, and scouts.
I dont see how a dueler who constantly hangs around sm taggin it with dules can call themself a scout/roamer.