you cant even use the new renegade skills in shallow water, the game thinks you are underwater and wont let you.
and now i find out in this post ele get 40 new water skills?
as kidel said it is a matter of principle.
no kittening way am i buying the expansion now.
The post i made a few days ago
I said rev was unplayable without herald spec, but had no idea how bad renegade was, none of the skills mesh, bow range is too short forcing you to fight in close combat (which is a terrible as you have no sustain weapons or skills), this class feels like you were burnt out with great ideas for the other professions and just rushed it out so you could get the expansion released
one year of nerfs and then you give us a backhand “buff” before the expansion so we will buy it?
no thanks, you have no clue what to do with revenat and renegade is proof of this.
but it does not synchronise with glint heal as you want to get hit when you use it.
but i guess it’s all about getting the crappy traits skills ready for renegade so sales are good.
if you are going zerk than you need to play like a thief
you must always have one sustain weapon or you will die fast (staff, sword or shield)
for a zerk build long range hammer/staff
medium range with more cc sword/axe staff
dont use shield in pvp zerk builds pointless
when i say play like a thief i mean you have to go all in, you have to cc them before they cc you and never tank damage, always evade
devastation, invocation, herald, use Assassin’s Annihilation(close/medium range builds) in the devastation trait line, as it heals you and does damage, but you have to fight like a thief in the back and not like a warrior in the front.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/revenant/Hammer-Rev-Crunch-Thieves/first#post6648962 this is a really good vidoe on how to play hammer zerk rev + it has the build too.
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so you dont use glint’s Burst of Strength to apply 20 stacks of vulnerability before you cc burst the enemy down?
Vuln instacaps to 25 in any kind of group content anyway
im not talking about pve were there are 100 people spamming 1 on a mob,
im talking about pvp 5v5. go apply 20 stacks in a pvp fight and come back and post here then you will understand what i am talking about
lol!!!!!!! why so many buffs now? VERY VERY STRANGE???? did anet stop riding the thief kitten and actually played the rev class?
this just proves as i said before that rev is unplayable without herald specialization. anet is getting worried that the renegade will affect sales so now they are giving rev a buff.
this wont change anything, rev depends too much on herald.
where are all the trolls that say rev is in a good spot, why is it now getting such a heavy buff just before a new expansion??? did anet only just yesterday tried to play rev without herald and realised how bad the class is? lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I only use Herald for swiftness, between fights. That’s its only value to me.
If I do buy PoF, mounts might mean I’d almost never use Herald again.
so you dont use glint’s Burst of Strength to apply 20 stacks of vulnerability before you cc burst the enemy down?
yeah, no wonder you can’t comprehend the usefulness of of Herald
If you arent using staff as your secondary weapon on condi, then I’d assume you’d be using a shortbow in which case you dont even need to go charging into combat. You may just be looking at the spec in one dimension.
then you will have 0 sustain, as this comes from sword 3, shield 5 and staff 3/4/5 and glint’s heal.
as i have said in past post, people always attack rev 1st does not matter how far in the back you are hiding , you will just be a walking pinata, and you wont even have the cheap glint heal to save you+ you will lose Radiant Revival so you wont even be a team player.
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fisrt time I made it to platinum, can’t believe there are idiots even at this skill level.
If you look at any good rev build, they all use Herald, I know anet said this will give us “a different way to play” but without the boons and glint heal rev is just bad to play
I might be dropping rev due to the new thief spec, it is bad enough they always focus rev for the easy kills but now they have a spec that gives them bonus for tracking players.
and i wonder how renegade’s mobility will be affected without herald? they say elite spec is a different way of playing a class, that may be ture for the other professions, but it is certainly not for rev, no good rev build does not have glint in use due to its low cost energy skills and boons.
this expansion could be the final update that kills rev.
Try power-hammer-revenant with glint/shiro.
That’s amazing if your main objective is to get to bronze 1 asap. hammer is the worst rev weapon in PvP.
Back to OP, obviously you can’t just stand there and autoattack them in melee any time. You have to sort of play like a thief, wait for an opening when you can go in and do the quickness autoattack stuff.
Use the CCs to create openings when you can cleave. All it takes is 2-3 seconds and rev can cause some serious damage. It’s all about patience and good awareness.
I got to platinum with hammer rev (full zerk) but the good palyers caught on and it is less effective at higher ranks.
@ OP
as others have said play rev like a thief, full zerk always 2v1 one, never 1v1, sword/axe/staff and call a target and cc bomb them.
you are really good in 1v1, this glass cannon build is great in blob/zerg/group fights when there is mayhem and people don’t know where the damage is coming from but the average Joe is not going to get the jump on a thief.
I tried it and even though the hammer is slow my dps is actually better lol. cant believe all that time put in learning how to fight as a rev when all i need to do is zerk up and spam 1 and 2 at the back line.
edit: I should also point out i have killed thieves faster with this build than with others, you kill fast and die fast but when it takes only a second for a thief to stealth and reset the fight I much rather have a slight chance than 0 chance.
great build for wvw.
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1v1 hammer rev is terrible.
it shines when you are ganking a fight and the enemy does not know you are there before it is too late, or when you use you team mates as a human shield.
basically just like other classes/builds if you play your role right is is super effective, op? no way.
rev needs a condi range weapon
the queues just prove how neglected WvW has been. now every map on my server has a 40+ man queue, before you could not even fill one map in prime time.
Its still there the thf will just need to come out of stealth to be able to kill some one and with the number of evasion ports and blocks a thf has they should be safe for the most part in doing so. I like to see how much dmg the traps do i hope a lot so we can see a new thf type an ambush thf. High burst dmg from traps and attks to down ppl who are not paying attsion.
that requires skill, which a lot of the current ghost thief dont have (thats why they played ghost thief)
yes im happy, you unhappy?
they over heat and tank in performance and the price you pay to get one, you could have bought 2 desktops with equal or more power.
unless you are traveling EVERDAY there is no point getting one.
1. still no solo only queue in rank.
2. I am Gold rank on my rev/thief/ele but below bronze on other classes, if I want to try other classes and keep getting rewards I would have to literally throw matches.
3. lag, lag, lag, a game were 1/10 of a second is crucial yet you get 1000 ping spikes and packet loss. just not worth the rage.
use mace/axe +staff and diabolic inferno in blob fights
use mace/shield +staff and pulsating pestilence in 1v1 small fights.
in 1v1 vs necro just keep spaming pain absorption. keep an eye on your resistance boon wait for the necro to use the well that removes boons (Well of Corruption), use pain absorption then switch legends (pulsating pestilence) and let the necro get a taste of their own medicine.
vs thief dodge roll for retaliation boon +spam banish enchantment and watch them kill them self(the good ones will run away).
the tactic vs necro can be used on all condi builds, you just need to learn the enemies condi bomb.
It is really fun when you kill condi classes with a revenant, when they see you they think you will be an easy kill due to the lack of condi cleanse
again a new pvp season again lag spikes, Why i ask is it only anet with this issue? all my other games are fine,
The problem with 2-1-1 was that it didn’t incentivize the 2nd and 3rd place server to focus the 1st place server. For one, you’d need both servers focusing the 1st place server during the same scrimmage and how often is that realistically gonna happen? Secondly, whenever that does happen, only one of those two servers will be the beneficiary of it. The other gets nothing unless they are somehow able to keep it up for another 2 hour scrim and trade the win. But you’d need some serious coordination/collusion across both servers and we know most players don’t care enough to go down that road.
Additionally, most players don’t decide which server to attack based on the score. They make their decision based on which server they perceive to be stronger/weaker at the time or which one would provide better fights.
So what we had with 2-1-1 was a pretty ridiculous system where it was pointless for the two weaker servers to even play. Now with 5-4-3, if you can’t get 1st place during a given scrim, there’s at least a reason to still play and get 2nd.
again this is wrong.
what ends up happing with 5-4-3 or 3-2-1 is the server in second place does everyting they can to remain second, so the best way to remain 2nd is to attack the server in third, even when the 1st place server has capped your whole BL as long as you score more than the server in 3rd you still get your points. this results in the 3rd place server constantly getting tagged teamed from start to finish.
another problem with 5-4-3 or 3-2-1 is score manipulation via night capping.
if the night capping server(which is usually 1st due to night capping) sees that the server in 2nd place is catching them in points, they will deliberately make them come third in the skirmish to widen the gap.
5-4-3 will result in servers fighting for second place again and boosting night capping.
after 100 game i was still in bronze now im in gold and can still win fights. am i a bronze rank being carried? or am i a legendary being held back by bad players? or is it all based on luck and not skill?
You are the sum of your team, ie 20% your skill and 80% RNG luck.
Good explantation, it is based more on luck than skill that is why the “pro players” team up to reduce luck,
So why is our skill being displayed individually in a team/luck game?
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not sure if it’s working,
i had a bad start with 3 wins 7 loss (zerk staff ele team mate, lots of rage quit d/c)
got placed in bronze 3, tried to carry but what can you do when your team mates die in 5 seconds of a fight to some scrub zerk DH and it becomes 5v1? end up dropping to bronze 2, only reason I kept on playing was for the free ascended gear.
After 100 games im still in bronze 2. guess that must be my skill level right? as people posting here say after 100 game you will see your ture rating.
I keep going cause i cant accept im bronze 2 (staff zerk ele, bunker thiefs, team mates losing 3v1, dont know what decap means) I get into sliver and im playing with people who know how to fight but sometimes make mistakes, but at least they dont die in 2v1 and can last more than 5 seconds.
I go on a win rampage and now in gold 1. but now my win/lose is 50 50 so i think i might have reach my limit? im not 100% sure. there were people in bronze who kicked my kitten and there are people in gold whos kitten i can kick. my last gold match rank i tanked mid 3v1 and held off long enough to stop the decap, I stil feel i can go further as i win 1v1 in gold and tank 2v1.
so what am i anet?
after 100 game i was still in bronze now im in gold and can still win fights. am i a bronze rank being carried? or am i a legendary being held back by bad players? or is it all based on luck and not skill?
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invulnerability-block-block-refresh-repeat
2 mouse click and you can take 0 damage for what seems an eternity.
with power rev i lose to anything that is condi.
with condi rev i can kill anything but thiefs.
I have accepted this game is like rock,paper, scissors and rather than try to beat scissors withpaper i team up with rock to take down scissors.
I changed my build now, and have gone from bronze rank to gold rank.
The 211 scoring system has been a huge step in the wrong direction.
no, 2 1 1 scoring is a great idea, it stops servers fighting for second place while the “top” server runs away in points because they are being ignored.
Its clearly anets end, you can tell cause they have not responded to any post.
no, keep skyhammer.
the long travel distance between points in the other maps gives a hugh advantage to thiefs
not good. With no stab just constant stun stun stun from warriors, push pull+traps from DH.
no stab also means very hard to stomp
thiefs always go for you first cause you dont have invulnerability skills like the other melee class.
just not a class worth playing in pvp
not really, due to the constant lag spike at peek times.
once you can get all the ascended gear you can better to do somethine else.
since the release of wintersday the game has beeing having lag/ping spikes for many people.
how do you expect to run a competitive esports game when you can’t even do basic network coding.
and what is more insulting is not one of the many post pointing out this issue has even been responded too
took me a month grind and a week crafting to get my first ascended. and i had to waste 80-100 gold just on uping crafting skill to 500. now you can get it within 3 hours (and have more gold than you started with too) of play.
I dont mide it being eaiser but gw2 is 3 different games; pvp, wvw and pve if, you do one thing you need to do it for the other 2, now i know people who play wvw will be playing pvp only to farm gear (even i am)
thanks for killing wvw even more.
Yeah i am having the same problem. ping spikes and people end up teleporting on my screen, started wth the winter days patch and so for not a single response has been made from anet.
seriously this makes the game unplayable with peolpe teleporting, when will this issue be fixed? and it’s not the first time it has happned to
having the same problem, started with the winters day patch.
We don’t need 500 games to see how the system once again is flawed/rigged .
I sit at 1400+ rating and the following match I get teammates who are not even 600 rating, it’s the same system like previous seasons …a luck based system, you either get decent players and climb the leaderboard..or you’re unlucky and get waste of space teammates who create a blowout match.
This is not a skill based system for the 5th time, you still get players in your team who are far far far below you actual skill level, like I have 8k hours in this game with over 12k matches…and I get these guys who barely have 600 hours and with not enough rating to be even visible on the leaderboard past 250.
And once again you have whiteknights defending a flawed system because they enjoy doing so.
Other than ending up the game with 300k+ healing done to teammates or 400k dmg+ done to enemies, ressing people under heavy fire, rushing to help every numbskull that can’t win an easy 1vs1, try to hold as many people as possible , capping or defending…..I can’t do kitten more than that as I’m not god and I can’t win the whole game by myself.
I can’t even blame the devs anymore at this point, pvp is definitely not for everyone like raids is not for every pver out there
Luck irons out in the long run. Yes, having a wide skill spread within a team will introduce volatility to outcomes. Yes, it will take that kind of a system longer to zero in on individual ratings. Yes, it’s working as Anet intended.
A totally different discussion is how good of a customer experience this is – how subjectively fun it is to slog through hundreds of games just to arrive at your “true” rating, i.e. 50/50 outcomes. Ultimately the pain of a lot of people here is caused by playing a team-based and class-based game solo. You are going to have to endure a lot of subjectively poor matches in such a scenario, because you have very limited control over outcomes. Again, working as intended.
well said, end of the day no matter how good you are it depends on your team.
I know I have or had a high mmr before the start of this season because people i faced carried the legendary title.
But I had a few bad games put me 7 loss and 3 wins and now im in bronze. “Ok no worries i will climb myway out” nope, I know im in low ranks now as my team mates cant win 3v1 or 2v1 battles cant rely on them to hold a point, go down within 10 seconds of a fight,
I kill the enemy over and over but help out in 2v1 win 1v1 but im just one guy in the end,
the rank system feels just like overwatch old rank system, if it is based on wins and loss you will never climb out.
this is a team game and no matter how good you are if your team is bad you cant win.
the stun break for condi was much needed, that is a complete game changer.
we will see in the next update.
you can still use the old option yet people are complaining. anet cant win.
Yeah exactly, people should stop asking for improvements, just take what they give you, and if you don’t like then take a walk off the wvw plank and don’t return.
a change is irreversible, you can undo this change, stop trying to turn this into somthing it’s not.
you can still use the old option yet people are complaining. anet cant win.
I have had to relearn condi rev for the 4th time but think i have worked out a build that works.
2000 power 1000 condi damage ~500-700 healing
invocation(cleans/equi/roil),corruption(demo/banish/diabo),herald(hard/shared/elder)
mallyx/glint
mace/shield staff
to stomp use glint stun break or blast unyielding anguish
stack might with mace 2,3 and facet.
took advice from people hear to drop retribution it is no good for condi rev now.
for big events or wvw i set to the graphic in pic
have 660 gtx and i7
I can see that you have character limit at low. This is why I consider a new CPU so that I will be able to actually see all the characters.
you will still need to run everything on low in wvw even if you have an i7 or a gtx 10xx
so if you are upgrading to make gw2 run better you are wasting your time and money.
I want what Crowfall and Camelot Unchained are planning to give, and if i dont get it i will simply move games.
warriors are not a problem, they are one of theweakest roamer classes,
they have a lot of stun break but so do revs, it is needed when your main weapons are short range and you need to fight face to face 90% of the time.
when they pop their endure pain or berserk, just kite them till it wears off.
their mobility is nothing compared to other classes, it mainly relies on one weapon(greatsword)
thief/condi memsmer are the kings of roaming
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I don’t usually have a problem with thieves, even with DA art kitteny teabaggers once I swap to axe off hand (secondary sword is still good too). Usually taims their kite-o-mancer hubris instantly. Just need to keep cold head, show them that they are not the only class that can easily disengage acting like they no longer care and countdown their steal CD (essence sap hurt plus most rev abilities go nuts because of slow condition, ugh), almost all of them spam it by CD. Of course it requires one to turn their brain on but same applies to thieves playing against you. Never underestimate thief mains.
Oh and yeah, I PERSONALLY find it easier to fight thieves with dev+invocation+herald instead of retribution because stability revenant is easily countered by Bountiful Thief (first thief steals your stability and then they apply daze to you). Rev’s main instrument is burst, one mistake from thief’s side should be enough with good burst.
I’ve duelled Vas quite a bit on my thief, axe offhand is indeed a massive pita if you can time it with your burst properly. Retribution stopped headshot spam but it’s just as easy to alternate shadowshot and essence sap instead, so the most important thing is to get the thief on the back foot straight away.
Hammer also hurts a lot, as thief relies on being out of range for most of it’s attacks. Like was said above, don’t bother with anything other than 4 to block headshot, get quickness and spam autos and the thief will have to stealth or totally disengage if it doesn’t have steal ready.
The stab nerf was excessive imo, it was annoying for me having most of my interrupts negated but when that was your only source of stab then you really should have had compensation elsewhere.
you cant get a thief on the “back foot” when they can stealth and you cant , they will always reset the fight till they have the advantage.
the best too legends to fight a thief is shiro for its phase travel and glint for its stealth reveal, but these two legends have the worst heal vs a thief so any thief who knows what they are doing can win easy.
if you dont have stab vs a thief you will be cc to death, ret is better than invo, no point breaking a stun just to be stunned again, normally power revs use both invo+retribution, while condi rev uses retribution+resistant boon, but with the nerf to retribution both classes have taken a hit.
if you found it hard to kill a thief in wvw before you will find it impossible now.
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I play my condi rev like a thief now, which is to +one in fights and gank.
front line rev is dead, ignore what anyone says, our only form of reliable stab is from jalis which uses far too much energy leaving you open, +jalis lacks mobality which means you need to take shiro to compensate which is really a poor combination as you cant stack upkeep toughness with the herald trait line, front line condi is a big no no, to play condi you must use mallyx and the corruption trait line to maximise resistance boon, mallyx has poor mobality and uses too much energy, this means you cant take jalis because jalis also has poor mobality, which means you have to take shiro, so you are running to the front of the battle with no stab good luck.
zerk back line hammer rev is stupid as 2 taps on the shoulder from a thief will wipe you out, and if they failed on the first 2 attacks their cc will keep you in place to make sure they can finish the job
power rev is laughable, lack of condi clear means you have to drop dps siglis to compensate, and as i said before you must use jalis which lacks mobality,
also jalis is the second lowest dps legend so being forced to use him means you have to take a cut in dps.
the hole class is a mess with nothing gelling.