Guild Wars 2

I just finish playing spvp and i think more players are now understanding how to counter the UA most of my attacks now are evaded and i feel like a wet noodle. Once i encounter a player that familiar with rev they focus me instead of other professions. So to those players here in forum that QQ that rev are unbeatable i think those are the pve players playing pvp just for the sake of dailies.

Wait for it bro more nerf will come since too many pve players farming pvp and asking nerfs instead of understanding how to counter x profession.

I fought a mesmer and he blinks away and my rev was like where the heck is my target? guys Anet listened to us so please be mindful on what you say here Rev can be killed like a thief without a stealth just time your burst and don’t just spamm your skill like you are playing an old school korean MMO this is not ragnarok or WoW or whatever MMO that you played that only needs to spamm all of your skill.

warbignime.4610:

Forum: we forced Anet to nerf elite spec unlock, we forced Anet to nerf hero challanges and we forced Anet to nerf mastery gate. Now let’s just complain until Anet nerf the difficulty.

NO!!!

And they force Anet to ruin the balance of profession because the only class that is balance is their class and every class is OP.

Good luck guys revenant will become warrior 2.0 just wait 6 months and we will be a loot bag. Devs just nerf things without thinking or trying out.

Hammer is too good to be swap with staff unless i think you are a support type. It save my butt from annoying stealth thief and mesmer you know Hammer #3 and #5 or sometimes the #2 if they are trying to kite me.

Quadox.7834:

SlayerSixx.5763:

Rev IS arguably stronger than mesmer. Their burst isn’t that threatening anymore now that people can tank/dodge most of their stuff. I’d even hazard a guess and say they’re back to their pre 6/23 state.

I don’t even have a mesmer on my account :P. Just speaking from my experiences on DD and DH vs them.

Maybe back to pre 6/23, but back then mesmer had lots of damage and low survivability. Now mesmer does very little damage (Aside from gravity well) and has insane block/invuln uptime instead!

I’m not sure bro but i just fought a mesmer earlier and my rev is marauder trinket and my Armor is 2.4k and HP is 21k but the mesmer bursted my HP from 21k to 8k. If i’m not using Herald legend i’m probably dead and i was a bit in good rotation so i manage to stay alive but still mesmer manage to kill me.

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Daredevil hardcounters Mesmer now. Besides, mesmers are not nearly as op as things like DH, Revenant, or scrapper. I would go as far to say that mesmer is fairly balanced because all the new stuff we have has decent counterplay to it unlike other specs (Stay out of wells, avoid mirror blade like before, and stall out continuum shift).

what revenant OP than mesmer your kidding me right? mesmer can go stealth and deal damage while revenant needs to be active and in plain sight. i’m not saying Mesmer is OP but your comparison with mesmer and rev is out of place.

I find it difficult for rev to 1vsX even in marauder i think rev is a good 1vs1 class right now.

it’s the same old warrior bulls charge + frenzy + 100b people have no clue but at this time if you see a revenant that hits like a truck with UA surely you will kill him very easy. Most player i killed with UA is either new or just doing daily but if i fought a decent player it seems his not even worried about it.

Meta? you haven’t fought a good daredevil 2-3 hits i’m downed

Yes at first until Elitist keeps chatting on map chat and blaming others when they are losing calling names and trash talking. And calling every player stupid.

FeelsAlright.5860:

jayson.6512:

I knew someone will post UA here and ask for nerf but first try that in spvp you will see Rev is like a wet noodle.

It doesn’t matter if Rev is a ‘wet noodle’. The skill is gamebreaking. You can’t triple dodge it. Block it. Or even use your teleports to escape the damage.

Whoever thought pistol whip that follows you was a good idea needs to send the drugs my way.

Game Breaking? Blind counter it how its game breaking? i was blinded by thief and half of UA didn’t Hit and the thief killed me by 2 hits.

I knew someone will post UA here and ask for nerf but first try that in spvp you will see Rev is like a wet noodle.

Just like in Guild Wars 1 you don’t buy the expansion then you don’t get the new skills and profession and other content. I don’t understand why other people can’t understand that.

It’s F&%$#@ Awesome i’ve been hoping they will implement this just like tera and now its here.

i was really disappointed with Berserker and i also have this feeling that warrior will be like this because Anet are strictly restraining us to be a physical dps but this is a fantasy game i don’t get why give us some skills just like other MMO with warrior class instead of messing with the class just to say warrior is a brute force or whatever.

Thanks but nothing change from my side.

people always whine instead of trying to figure out how to counter other builds. You know you cant always win with 1 build right. I think most people expect this game to be like their previous Korean MMO relying in only 1 build to win.

lighter.2708:

ill duel your war on my thief.

hahaha strictly pve rofl

I’m having slow download speed 12kb/s but in other sites i can download 2.5mb/s is the server having trouble with this new patch?

Stop saying x class is bad because you are bad!

Now we can try the zerker spec of warrior all those pathetic players asking for nerfs after watching the POI are obviously wants us to be easy kill.

But you have “Rampage” most of the players think warriors want to use same elite skills and build of course others want to use their preferred weapon not just rampage GS/Hammer but of course rampage warrior is the meta that what they say so you have to use it if you are a warrior.

Oh no zerker spec OP Anet loves warrior.

Rekt.5360:

cryorion.9532:

My point is that these burst skills are in good state right now and they definitely do not require damage buff.

Nobody is talking about “buffing” the dmg. The problem is that even if Evi is supposed to be a big risk big reward skill sometimes the reward really isn’t big at all when you do land it successfully. I’d rather get a range increase than a dmg range decrease. Eviscerate is stupid easy to dodge to start with, but now, it can’t even be called a “Gap closer” anymore because sometimes you can literally avoid it by walking away from the other player (with swiftness) unless he starts it practically within melee range. I still don’t understand why Eviscerate’s range got absolutely nuked when it was already an incredibly easy to dodge skill.

Because you know they love to QQ more than dodge or evade our attacks and that’s what we get. What i find about warrior is most of our attacks is like telling the enemy to dodge like “Hey i’m going to use Earthshaker” and ES is buggy oh wait Evi is to stronk i’m to lazy to dodge/evade it Anet please just nerf the damage so we don’t have to dodge that burst. And of course 100b QQ 40k damage wtf pls nerf while its not the warriors fault they eat the whole chain of 100b.

Some broken builds but other classes has broken builds too i hope anet fix it

Fay.2357:

jayson.6512:

Fay.2357:

jayson.6512:

Fay.2357:

jayson.6512:

Most of the mesmer main said that mesmer has a high skill cap after patch but i just saw this vid and mesmer rn has a low skill cap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtf63IpFLHw

It’s sorta adorable that you think a shatter montage is justification for literally anything.

I think you don’t get what i want to say when i post this? do you remember when a warrior Hambow healing signet is a thing that they can just stand and win even not outplaying the other player? What i want to say is that those kind of build should not exist because it makes the game boring. And same with this build.

You’re trying to say that mesmer has a low skill cap based off of a WvW shatter montage. I’m laughing at you for doing so.

Whatever dude this show that guild wars 2 players as long they main the class they won’t admit if it’s broken. Guild Wars 2 player always my class is not broken but other class is so please nerf them. I only main a warrior and i admit that some of the build is broken and that’s why i stop playing for now in spvp because everybody there thinks they are pro. And i’m calling mesmer has a low skill cap base on some broken builds if you can’t admit it then fine.

No, what you’re doing is making a fool of yourself. You clearly don’t understand what a skill cap is. You clearly don’t understand how little a shatter montage demonstrates anything. You clearly have only a tenuous grasp of how to formulate a coherent argument, and all of this is displayed clearly for anyone looking at this conversation.

Actually i look like a fool everytime i encounter a mesmer after patch because whatever build or counter build i make it just doesn’t work. someone said here maybe my dueling partner is better than me before patch but the truth is we are just on the same level how do i know we are on the same level? because after this balance patch he didn’t even need to outplay me and doesn’t even need to change build to counter my builds unlike then we switch different build to counter one another and if someone mess up you lose. But i have to make different builds just to find out how to counter him. Look i’m not here trying to make your class unplayable but it’s really not fun i love GW2 pvp but right now i can’t enjoy it seeing those low skilled players using cheesy build or broken builds to dominate.

Because Arenanet already given up to those people who keep whining in the forum my class needs buff so this patch is just for lol’s they buff every class dps and look what happened. A 1200 range auto attack hit for 1.5k to 3k yeah balance.

lol i’ve been called noob for not playing the so called rampage warrior what the F!

Fay.2357:

jayson.6512:

Fay.2357:

jayson.6512:

Most of the mesmer main said that mesmer has a high skill cap after patch but i just saw this vid and mesmer rn has a low skill cap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtf63IpFLHw

It’s sorta adorable that you think a shatter montage is justification for literally anything.

I think you don’t get what i want to say when i post this? do you remember when a warrior Hambow healing signet is a thing that they can just stand and win even not outplaying the other player? What i want to say is that those kind of build should not exist because it makes the game boring. And same with this build.

You’re trying to say that mesmer has a low skill cap based off of a WvW shatter montage. I’m laughing at you for doing so.

Whatever dude this show that guild wars 2 players as long they main the class they won’t admit if it’s broken. Guild Wars 2 player always my class is not broken but other class is so please nerf them. I only main a warrior and i admit that some of the build is broken and that’s why i stop playing for now in spvp because everybody there thinks they are pro. And i’m calling mesmer has a low skill cap base on some broken builds if you can’t admit it then fine.

Fay.2357:

jayson.6512:

Most of the mesmer main said that mesmer has a high skill cap after patch but i just saw this vid and mesmer rn has a low skill cap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtf63IpFLHw

It’s sorta adorable that you think a shatter montage is justification for literally anything.

I think you don’t get what i want to say when i post this? do you remember when a warrior Hambow healing signet is a thing that they can just stand and win even not outplaying the other player? What i want to say is that those kind of build should not exist because it makes the game boring. And same with this build.

AlphatheWhite.9351:

jayson.6512:

Why every time i post in this forum you guys always say the same “learn to dodge” as if i don’t know that, i already commented this to other thread that my 1vs1 buddy is a mesmer and pre patch i can win against him depending on the build but after this patch i always lose so please tell me did my buddy become so pro and i become so bad just after the patch? just to add only mesmer class i’m having a hard time killing but guards 50/50.

It’s absolutely true that mesmers are stronger now than they were.
You beating your buddy before the patch, but not after, is not terribly surprising if he was always a mesmer.
Mesmers were operating under a disability before, and now they are not. A lotlotlot of the whining about mesmers right now is coming from people who were able to just farm mesmers before, but now actually have to try…and they don’t know how yet.

The reason for the constant “learn to dodge” you’re hearing is because most people right now complaining about mesmers don’t realize just how big a deal that is against mesmers…they aren’t used to it!

That doesn’t mean there aren’t issues with mesmers (or a lot of classes right now), and that you might just come up against some unbalanced mechanics, it just means most of the people we see come through here complaining just haven’t learned to adapt to dangerous mesmers yet.

In short, your friend might have been better than you this whole time, but because he was playing a mesmer, you didn’t know it until now.
Or, it really might be because his build is just overpowered (is he stunning you a lot? Lockdown builds are pretty oppressive right now).

Either way, rule number 1 to dealing with a mesmer is dodging the burst. If you dodge at the right moment, you’ve probably negated most of their damage, and they have to get their illusions back up before they can try again.
Rule number 2 is to cleave the illusions. Illusions die fast, and they can’t insta-shatter you without their illusions.

I already said this too in other thread that i already forget but dodging the shatter is not my problem but the cc they have now i break stun then they will just cc me again if not the stealth i always manage to burst a mesmer this patch but the thing is they can stealth or blink away until i burn all my skill cd and you know what will happen if your utilities are on cd you just die if you can’t kite a blink. I don’t have any problem with their dps but being not able to see your opponent with a burst like that it frustrate the hell out of me i can understand the thieves they don’t have the illusion or clones for distraction but mesmer has enough on their sleeves. cleaving yes but the constant stealth. And i already said that mesmer will be balance if Arenanet will just balance that stealth on mesmer and the cc because right now it’s crazy.

MandJ.8965:

If you get easily killed against a shatter mesmer you should learn to dodge

Why every time i post in this forum you guys always say the same “learn to dodge” as if i don’t know that, i already commented this to other thread that my 1vs1 buddy is a mesmer and pre patch i can win against him depending on the build but after this patch i always lose so please tell me did my buddy become so pro and i become so bad just after the patch? just to add only mesmer class i’m having a hard time killing but guards 50/50.

denis.9487:

That video was in the warrior forums and it is what all this threads to nerf pu are stemming from. So you watch a manage of shatter burts so what. That video is edited how many hours to find that perfect scenario. Should we take a warrior roaming vid hand selected, edited and basically made for enjoyment and start a crusade to nerf reckless dodge.

don’t care if they nerf reckless dodge i don’t even use it and rampage. My point is with that burst you can kill any 1vs1 or 1vs2 without the need to outplaying the other player look i don’t want the mesmer class to be nerf to the ground but it’s not really fun fighting a class that you can’t outplay. And it’s not just a video i fought a mesmer almost similar to that build and i end up dead in seconds.

Most of the mesmer main said that mesmer has a high skill cap after patch but i just saw this vid and mesmer rn has a low skill cap.

Junkpile.7439:

Morwath.9817:

Junkpile.7439:

Problem mainly is that every player think that they know how to play. If bad player can’t win against good player it just means that good player play op class.

Suddenly all Mesmers are good players and everyone else is bad one… oh wait.

You running around and try to hit his clones whole time and wonder why mesmer is so op.

what? my mesmer dueling mate before this patch we are equal skill and we know that mesmer hard counter warrior but i still manage to win against him and our score is tied too we switch build so we can counter each other we both know that 1 build can’t win everytime sometime his build counter mines and my build counter his. But after this patch i couldn’t even win against him now tell me did i become so bad after patch?

Volrath.1473:

after all this time, warriors, wearing heavy armor and carrying eavy weapons are still the fastest profession to get from point A to B, no other profession can outrun them or even catch them if they decide to flee… and don’t bother trying to CC them cuz it does not work they just keep going… it’s insane…

is this ever going to be addressed? even if they don’t get nerfed, will other professions be able to at least manage to stay in range?

you talking about GS/sw/x warrior with bulls charge and on Rampage? because hell i can’t even catch a mesmer with my GS/axe/shield i always get kitted or killed with those 1.2k meter range pointing classes. stop whining people on this forum always cry if they can’t kill other classes even if its their fault not outplaying the other player.

blind blind blind? i was on rampage form but there is blind spamming on the other team until my rampage wears off.

T raw.4658:

Tao.1234:

I kindly ask OP and people who think like OP to start looking at themselves and start improving.

He did and rolled a mesmer…..

lol

the only problem i can see right now is the mesmer able to stealth , blink , stun you to death while having a high burst capability every time i manage to burst them they just blink away , stealth away then come back full health again until i burn all my cd’s not fun.

Guards are fine just tone down the burning damage.

Thief stealth is one thing they need i understand that but they are suppose to be revealed once they attack and make some restriction before they can go back to stealth like 3 seconds or give them more shadow step skills for escape.

I don’t see any difference on my damage BP and AM so i always pick AM since i’m GS/Axe/shield

see a mesmer run..mesmer with this current patch is 0 skill required even how many mesmer mains in the forum think their class is balance. And i’m willing to 1 vs 1 them using mesmer for the 1st time since i only play warrior.

SlayerSixx.5763:

Or balls, depending on what team you play for :P.

Well, if we’re talking GS for mesmers, mind stab and the wave are super hard to dodge, but the izerker and mirror blade are really easy to dodge. You don’t need procodsniper360mlg reaction speed to dodge the last two. Also, if I’m not mistaken, you can tone down/turn off particle effects.

i don’t know the name i just know the animations but yeah i think i can tell if a mesmer is casting something on GS skill but other skills are hard to read.

Jasher.6580:

Linnael.1069:

Lopez.7369:

I also feel like this is true for every game. I would guess that 99 percent of spectators for any e-sport have played the game in some capacity before.

But it is true that too many of Guild Wars 2’s telegraphs are either too much or too little.

The reason big e-sports games get big is because they are well designed for spectators. Friends that have never played League of Legends will sit down and watch me play, and absolutely understand pretty much everything happening on a mechanical level with only a little explanation from me, or the shoutcaster if we’re watching a pro match. There’s just a massive problem with how animations and spell effects were implemented in this game. Not to even mention the “chibi smurf war” that is the natural result of one race having ridiculously impossible to read animations in PvP.

I don’t understand anything happening in any of the LoL streams. And that’s me being 100% honest.

I don’t play lol or dota 2 but i know what is happening if i watch it on youtube i just don’t know the skill names. If Anet wants this kind of damage they should have made the skills telegraph so players can dodge it or can read it like Earthshaker or Pin Down you can react well if you don’t it’s your fault not the game designer or the other player so if you lose it’s your skill as a player that needs improvement not the class that you are playing.

lordhelmos.7623:

She complained to me that all she saw was “A kaleidoscope of disco lights spewing from every player and a ton of boring numbers popping up.” She couldn’t telegraph big hits or even figure out what people were doing. She seemed surprised when people died and kept asking me “How did that guy go down?”

Funny i commented this on guild wars 2 video on youtube and i got bash by keyboard warriors.

SlayerSixx.5763:

With GW2, you got medi guards, mesmers, and thieves all roflteleportstomping, shoutbow just screaming in circles over fire circles, etc.

True pvping in GW2 needs 100% focus on your monitor but still i can’t see what’s is happening on my screen specially if there is necro , mesmer. like my guildmate told me look for the mesmers hands so you would know what skill he will cast next but the particle effects are blocking my view. And most skill in GW2 are instant cast.

it is working as intended lol Bulls charge and earth shaker is still bug how many years now so i guess this is not critical or game breaking bug to them.

jportell.2197:

jayson.6512:

Mesmer right now does not required player skill i don’t care if they have stealth or clones or illusions i can beat them pre patch if i play right or i read how my opponent play his/her mesmer but right now i feel like they are on steroids.

So you beat every single mesmer ever prepatch? And now post patch mesmers are over the top? Sounds like you’re demanding anet to make mesmers a free kill to me. I have more hours on mesmer than most in the game (doesn’t mean I’m a great mesmer just means i have experience with this class.), and I can honestly say that compared to most classes mesmers are only currently bringing good damage and CC to a match. Nothing else really because if a mesmer is running mantra of distraction chances are they aren’t running portal. And a interrupt mesmer has at most 1 stealth.

If the mesmer isnrunning PU than just like before the patch. They are COMPLETELY NEGLIGIBLE and a total hindrance to their team.

If it’s a shatter mes running dom/duel/illus then they can be scary, but no scarier than a shatter mesmer was before in relation to other classes in the game.

And for everyone that’s saying mesmer was “viable” in every other meta ever.

-helseth disagrees (mesmer wasn’t viable he was)
-sup cutie openly said it on the mesmer forums that mes was more of a detriment to a team than a thief.
-all major tournaments (WTS, ESL monthlies, and TOL) with the exception of random wins here and there, mesmer was regularly not on a winning team.

So can we please stop since mesmer is FINALLY on equal footing with other classes and you guys finally have to learn to counter them.

This is why i don’t want to post here in the forums most of the time people here misunderstand what you mean they just listen to what they want and nothing else is but themselves. Please read the post before this and you will understand and if you don’t then i don’t know what to say.

Mesmer right now does not required player skill i don’t care if they have stealth or clones or illusions i can beat them pre patch if i play right or i read how my opponent play his/her mesmer but right now i feel like they are on steroids.

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

I was complaining like day one or two… But I have changed some of my build to compensate to this power increase.

Are you playing Celestial, Berserker or another build without Thoughness and/or Vitality? If so I advice you to play alittle more defencive. I have noticed that when I changed my Berserker Meditiation build to a Cleric Meditation looking build I started surviving living very long. With my engineer I swapped out Cele to Carrion and now I can handle 2 Vs me sometimes and survive realy long. The good thing is, since many still plays Berserker I still kill them pretty quick and easy. The new Conditions though makes it harder but it still works imo.

But I do think that Damage output in PvP and PvE is though a little to high. In PvP I rather DPS down a downed player than stabbing and in PvE well before stuff wasn’t that hard, now it’s not even remotly challenging… :P

Yes i tried changing my build and go defensive or balance of both defense and offense but the dps is crazy just like i said if they want to keep this dps so high they have to change the behavior of other classes skills because getting stun 450 meters range or daze again and again without being able to react is annoying.

It’s fine with me if other classes like ranger 1500 range to knock back me if it’s telegraph so i can dodge it because it’s my fault if i got hit.

But what is happening right now is you can’t react to the skills that other classes are doing and the damage is also high that it could kill you in seconds(blink then stun to death is not funny).

well i’m just gonna say this before the warrior mace burst is close range and it’s not telegraph but the community whine a lot then Anet decided to make it telegraph so you can see it and able to react if you got hit then it’s your fault not paying attention to the animation but what is happening right now is most classes got buff but most of their skills are instant cast that you cant have a room to tell when to dodge it and because of the buff damage you will end up down state in short no player skill required just press the skill button you win. i only play warrior since the game release but i can win in every class i tried after this june 23 patch where is the skill on that?

Ores.7501:

Take some time to adapt but it will be fine. Really, if you just played once and didn’t even try to adapt why make a post on forums ? So many people are crying without even trying.

Adapt? dunno but i’m always playing pvp and only pvp after getting the stuff i want in pve because pve is really boring the only challenge i can find is in pvp but now most classes are broken i hope arenanet won’t wait 4 months to fix this. My other duel partner pre patch a mesmer we tried our same build but he melted me faster than before i can escape but now it feels like there is little room to react. And it’s not just one build since we counter each others build so we change it after every match.

Phaeton.9582:

Lol this guy

Get your toxicity out of our nice little forum.

Also this patch has had possibly the most positive feedback overall of any patch (and the stuff people are complaining about isn’t the actually strong stuff except mesmer, it largely L2P).

mesmer is really strong right now pre patch i can win against them depending on my build and theirs but right now whatever build or counter build i try they melt me in seconds.