Guild Wars 2

@Bunzy

With all due respect killing undergeared, and low level players leveled to 80 does not require skill, just a class that does a lot of burst damage, or a group that can utilize combo fields, and AoE damage. MMOs are not my choice for determining the skill level of a player, but I find these games tediously easy to play. No, if you want to test your skill, in a game that can actually measure a players skill, play something like Starcraft 2.

The only way to measure skill in this game, is to advocate a situation where everyone has the same stats and abilities. Quite frankly, that would be boring. The downed state is fine. I have no issues killing anyone with it, or without it. There is a lot of other things I’d rather the developers spend their time on.

I love the excuses. We only do it because……. Sad.

Rob.7624:

jkctmc.8754:

Rob.7624:

jkctmc.8754:

This is funny, I never knew I could do this. I just learned something today. Did you know that you can see what happens at every tower, keep, and camp regardless of the map you’re on?

Seriously, I can be in Eternal Battlegrounds, laying siege to a camp, and not only know, but SEE the people on a keep in any of the other battlegrounds.

Imagine that? When five people decide to do something secretly, they really can’t because we can see everything.

It’s not like having a zerg outside of a keep, laying siege to it for hours, only to have it flip while that zerg is sitting outside, caught red handed, and embarrassed because they have no deniability at that point.

When our fully upgraded Bay was reset, you sure as hell didn’t allow us to fully upgrade it again, before you came back within an hour to take it back, after we did. You guys got caught red handed, and couldn’t play it off, so you left the map as a show of disgust, when in fact it was probably just a show. Because you came back to take a wooden keep, not long after we took it back.

I have no idea what this post is about.
Can anyone else translate this for me?

Are you trying to tell us that.. You can view all the dots on the map?

Did you just skip over Drednyte’s post? <scratches head>

Wasn’t quoted.
So yes.
<scratches your head too>

A little more to the right. <love>

Rob.7624:

jkctmc.8754:

This is funny, I never knew I could do this. I just learned something today. Did you know that you can see what happens at every tower, keep, and camp regardless of the map you’re on?

Seriously, I can be in Eternal Battlegrounds, laying siege to a camp, and not only know, but SEE the people on a keep in any of the other battlegrounds.

Imagine that? When five people decide to do something secretly, they really can’t because we can see everything.

It’s not like having a zerg outside of a keep, laying siege to it for hours, only to have it flip while that zerg is sitting outside, caught red handed, and embarrassed because they have no deniability at that point.

When our fully upgraded Bay was reset, you sure as hell didn’t allow us to fully upgrade it again, before you came back within an hour to take it back, after we did. You guys got caught red handed, and couldn’t play it off, so you left the map as a show of disgust, when in fact it was probably just a show. Because you came back to take a wooden keep, not long after we took it back.

I have no idea what this post is about.
Can anyone else translate this for me?

Are you trying to tell us that.. You can view all the dots on the map?

Did you just skip over Drednyte’s post? <scratches head>

This is funny, I never knew I could do this. I just learned something today. Did you know that you can see what happens at every tower, keep, and camp regardless of the map you’re on?

Seriously, I can be in Eternal Battlegrounds, laying siege to a camp, and not only know, but SEE the people on a keep in any of the other battlegrounds.

Imagine that? When five people decide to do something secretly, they really can’t because we can see everything.

It’s not like having a zerg outside of a keep, laying siege to it for hours, only to have it flip while that zerg is sitting outside, caught red handed, and embarrassed because they have no deniability at that point.

When our fully upgraded Bay was reset, you sure as hell didn’t allow us to fully upgrade it again, before you came back within an hour to take it back, after we did. You guys got caught red handed, and couldn’t play it off, so you left the map as a show of disgust, when in fact it was probably just a show. Because you came back to take a wooden keep, not long after we took it back.

You didn’t allow us to fix the major issue YOU caused, and immediately took advantage of it. Nor did you return the gold spent on Bay either.

Rob.7624:

jkctmc.8754:

@Rob

You can not waypoint into a contested keep, “until” the defense timer ticks down to zero, and then you have a short window of opportunity to waypoint in. We have seen members of an unamed popular guild on Devona’s Rest waypointing in constantly, before the timer ticks away, which also implies those doing it also has the full package of hacks, from a well known website, that also includes so, so much more.

This same guild has been witnessed being stuck in terrain “supposedly”, also putting siege up in invulnerability spots, and this same guild has members who love to utilize the invulnerability spot to dodge in, and out of at the supply camp to the NW, that we’ve all seen.

Instead of dragging it out on the forums, and claiming that the entire server does it, we fraps it, screenshot it, and report it.

It just shows the difference in maturity level. There is no reason to make claims that a server is entirely responsible for the actions of a few. Even if those few are part of a largeer guild in the case of Devona’s Rest.

Now, can we stop muddying up the thread with childish nonsense?

Hmm I wasn’t even aware you could do it with the timer up with third party assistance.
I’ll look out for it. Thanks

Just to keep you guys informed though.
SM is like a working military base atm. Its is quite glorious to see again indeed.
Even though DR are trying to pull us out by taking our bl.

I think you and I both know that this means more to us than a bl.

You’ll have a lot of fun holding SM, though it will hurt you point wise, but at this time of the week, have fun!!!

Once I get done with work, I’ll come say hi.

@Rob

You can not waypoint into a contested keep, “until” the defense timer ticks down to zero, and then you have a short window of opportunity to waypoint in. We have seen members of an unamed popular guild on Devona’s Rest waypointing in constantly, before the timer ticks away, which also implies those doing it also has the full package of hacks, from a well known website, that also includes so, so much more.

This same guild has been witnessed being stuck in terrain “supposedly”, also putting siege up in invulnerability spots, and this same guild has members who love to utilize the invulnerability spot to dodge in, and out of at the supply camp to the NW, that we’ve all seen.

Instead of dragging it out on the forums, and claiming that the entire server does it, we fraps it, screenshot it, and report it.

It just shows the difference in maturity level. There is no reason to make claims that a server is entirely responsible for the actions of a few. Even if those few are part of a largeer guild in the case of Devona’s Rest.

Now, can we stop muddying up the thread with childish nonsense?

No mention of the SoS Karma train, with many low levels below level 10 last night? <grins>

We ran over quite a few people, and got wiped once, even beating an equal size group “IN NUMBERS”.

The funniest thing though was watching level 10s getting downed by a Guild Claimant that had the immunity buff. Every level 10 he got to, who didn’t dodge, got downed immediately.

Ballistas also hit sub-50s for nearly 9k. O.O

I had some awesome 1v1s, and some 2v1s last night/early morning.

I want to give a shout out to the two other Rangers I fought. Both Rangers, and I fought down to within one hit of killing each other, but thanks to my 40% Endurance Regen Food, I was able to dodge around, while my pet finished them off. Those were fun fights, and I might, just might buy a water weapon now. I never realized how hard the Shark hits though, and will have to take a day looking for daShark. <grins>

If the two of you want to talk shop, hit me up in PMs. One was a PRO Ranger, and I’m sorry to the other Ranger, but was the first time seeing your guild, and my old ars didn’t write the name down, so I forgot it during my sleep.

Drednyte.7601:

jkctmc.8754:

Drednyte.7601:

AR server…can you please find out who is using hacks/exploits to take the keeps on DR BL and report them please. They took a fully upgraded Hills with all walls/gates up. And no, lets not even attempt to claim some mez had been left in there for the last 7-8 hours cuz we all know thats a load. There was a DR member standing on the outer walls, the Hills WP was never contested and then it converts to AR.

We all know a lot of folks on your server knows whose using the exploits/hacks. AR has some fine gamers on it, its a shame the entire server’s rep is being drawn down because of the lameness of a few who have to resort to cheating because they lack skill to actually win the right way.

Yes we know you zerged the Bay with bunch of golems vs 5-6 players to “draw attention” but we also know you didnt ninja the Hills.

You can do something about it yourself, or I’ll move a character onto your server to find out whose doing it, report them via FRAPS to Anet. That will most likely result in a lot of players ‘caught up in the moment of curiosity’ getting hosed.

You know whose doing it, now do something about it.

Who did the exploit in ARBL, from DR? I don’t condone what was done, and feel it was wrong, but those who hit Hills did so right after DR exploited our BL.

Please report your people as well.

First im hearing of it and none of the honorable gamers on DR ive asked knows anything about this. You’ve confirmed the exploit by AR but is your post stating you exploited because someone on DR did it first? Am I to understand from your post that either you or someone you know was involved in the DR exploit?

Who was the PRO Ranger I fought in DRBL roughly 12 midnight, central time? Pretty much just now.

I killed someone from GASM in the water, and him and I fight to the last few HP, I down him, and am heading away from him, and run into an Elementalist, only to down him, and chase his fog form towards the tower, and get jumped by a PRO Thief, who I beat, and chase into the Tower.

That was a lot of fun, and want to give a shout out to a fellow Ranger.

NSP was complaining we were not attacking DR, so we just now hit DR, and NSP is blocking for DR, it’s funny. They do this all the time, and it is why we attackt hem.

SoS was running with a bunch of level 10s, and a couple 80s. You won’t see those videos from the opposition, for a reason. hahah

Man, the guild claimant with his buff hits over 13k on a sub 50, even more against our level 10s. It’s the funniest thing I’ve ever seen.

Niim.9260:

Nirvana.8659:

i must admit in the last 3/4 days of WvW there are a tons of thief with pistol/dagger spamming cloack and dagger + the #1 of pistol spamming bleeds……
This would not be a problem,but they are PERMANENT in hide…..
I fight only invisible enemy….this is providing super frustration….because if not for this permanent hide they would run away or die miserably.

And yes….seems they have infinite initiative….but it’s only an impression,because after CnD they just spam #1 ….lol…an impegnative gameplay…

So to answer,there is no bug,they just don’t use a lot of initiative spamming CnD (that allow 4 sec of hide offcombat + another 5 sec of hide IN COMBAT due to rendering) + spam #1.

Why post unrelated information to his thread? Look at the list of abilities he used, does that really look like p/d? If its P/D just make them miss CnD twice and they have no init.

Because we can’t get init back, and CnD is our only stealth ability, amirite?

It would be cool to have a back and forth discussion with the developers.

StormWolf.7645:

Junkhaus.4301:

Last week’s match, just after reset, someone from AR proposed a server alliance with NSP against DR. It was on the first page of last week’s wvw thread. Anyone else remember that or am I making this up?

Totally making it up. :p But nah, I remember it too. DR seemed to be up for the challenge judging by their responses to the suggestion!

Then NSP hit AR reset night, changing the plans.

Rob.7624:

I know this may be mildly off and yet on topic.
But would anyone else like to see the entire PvE map turned into WvW?
Where the PvE content is cut for like a week of just pure awesome sauce, and that like.. The Black Citadel is where say.. Devonas Rest server spawns from and they are all force spawned with Char skins and the Grove was another servers spawn.
Removing some other way points and Asuran gates from the map?
Where you had to ACTUALLY run a huge distance and roaming bandit groups could ambush you?
I mean, when I first heard of World vs World this is kind of what I thought it would be.

I just thought I’d bring this idea up again to stop the fighting in this thread.
Let us all imagine how much better this would be if this idea was true.

I would welcome anything new for WvW at this point.

Dynnen.6405:

My guard brings LOTS of condition removal, aoe burst, damage absorption, great CC, and area control
My ranger brings decent ranged damage, some good combo fields…thats about it. The pets get rickrolled pretty hard, and the spirits die pretty fast as well. People WILL get on top of my and the lack of condition removal is rough. I thought root was bad for the guard, but its worse for the ranger.
The short bow damage is pretty bad, even with my bleeds ticking at 120. I don’t know, it seems that people manage to escape quite frequently. I’ve found the toughness LB/GS build works pretty well, just wish I could get the SB/Sword/torch or dagger to work.

I enjoy the challenge of my Ranger, but sometimes you just want to pull your hair. I still can’t figure out how to beat a D/D Elementalist unless they’re new to the build/class. Fighting some Thieves are a pain too, once they realize my pet is a perfect CnD target because he sits there licking his own <cough>.

Some days it is hard to choose my Ranger over my Thief, Warrior, or Guardian.

I’ve been back on my Ranger all this week, but not sure I’m going to play him next week, or just level my 52 Mesmer to 80.

@Jinks

Funny, my main is a Thief, and I’ve got roughly 7k kills on him now.

No other class in the game, with the exception of maybe the Necromancer is as bad as the Ranger brother.

I’ve noticed a lot of these videos don’t cover combos that allow for higher applications of stealth, if done right.

@Scarto

sPvP, is not WvW, and has nerfed a lot of abilities so they’re easier to deal with, in sPvP. The Thieves in WvW are permastealthed, so you can’t dodge skills you can’t see, for example. Not to mention the damage you see in sPvP is nearly half what we see in WvW.

Your video is kind of insulting to WvW players.

As a Ranger, I want to know… I have 2800 Armor, without going full defense, and giving up virtually all my damage, along with having the trait Nature’s Protection, which is supposed to trigger on 10% damage done to me, giving me Protection, yet just now, I got hit with a 4k Steal, followed by a 3500 CnD (why didn’t Protection help here), and it was followed by a 7700 backstab, like immeiately and I was FACING THE THIEF, which should have triggered my Bark Skin, which is supposed to reduce damage by 30%, yet another 3500 CnD hits me, and he finishes me off with a 7700 Backstab.

The funny thing is, I use Endurance Regen Food, for the 40% regen, and I was dodging some of his attacks, but alas, I can’t permanently dodge, so eventually I have to get hit.

What do I do, as a Ranger when my endurance is gone, and my defenses do nothing to block the damage?

The other issue is my pet does nothing from the point he stealths for the first time, just sits next to me.

Oozo.7856:

jkctmc.8754:

Oozo.7856:

12/23/12 – 5 versus 15-20 AR at Supply Camp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmVVfNxWxTw

12/31/12 – 7 versus 20-30 AR at Greenvale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEp8xS0IBKI

The first one looked like many of the sub-80, and undergeared 80 Karma trains that are frequent for AR.

And you forgot to mention the Ballista, which was doing the majority of your damage, for you. Not to mention the guild claimant, and other guards. If your guild claimant has the immunity buff, he’s also doing more damage.

I won’t bother watching the second, after seeing the first.

Anytime you want to face a fully geared group, and not a bunch of undergeared toons, send me a PM.

Anyone can kill undergeared, and lower level players doing Karma runs.

I’ve killed groups that size, and bigger on my Thief, when the Guild Claimant has had the immunity buff.

P.S. I went ahead and watched your second video. Look at all of those green up arrows.

So angry!

I guess it doesn’t count if there are sub80s around even if you are outnumbered by the real 80s (who are all undergeared, of course – they always are).

lol………………………………………………..

How am I angry? Please do explain, while I go make a cup of coffee. This has got to be good.

Psychatog.8246:

jkctmc.8754:

Psychatog.8246:

jkctmc.8754:

Drednyte.7601:

SOS…lol. why are u camping inside the NPCs at the supply camp right now. There’s like 6 DR folks there and 7-8 of you. And you hide in the NPCs? rofl

All good though, still getting my loot bags =)

Why do you wait for the top players of our guild to be at work, or doing things with our family to talk trash?

Fight our top crews, we’ll set up the times.

or you know, you could assault keeps and defend them, why should we go out of our way if points aren’t involved.

and as annoying as dred can be sometimes, his general play time IS late at night. he also isn’t pros “top player”, so fights seems valid to me.

the bigger question is why do you imply that your guild has such a big intra-guild skill gap.

All guilds have a variety of skill levels. We have full FAMILIES inside the guild. I don’t expect my 10 year old daugther to play any where near the skill level I play, and yes she’s been caught up in your guys videos when she’s following the Karma trains.

What is the point, of points when you’ve got such a lead on us, and we can’t match your numbers even during prime time?

Between the numbers issues we’ve been facing week, after week, and the ever present exploits all servers seem willing to use, many of us, like myself have reduced our activities to leveling alts, or helping gear up other peoples toons. I myself have 4-80s with three sets of exotic gear, and working on my fifth 80, while my wife, and oldest boy (who works two jobs) are guilting me into leveling their toons.

DR is going to be blue next week, putting us at a tactical disadvantage, we need as big a buffer is possible. Also the point was we are not npcs here for your amusement, if you want fights you have to come to us, not the other way around.

as for families and jobs, DR and PRO have those as well(hell, my hours are a bit variable but i still put in 60-100hrs a week). It seems like you have a declining interest in the game, and are deflecting onto other servers. All the problems you’ve mentioned are not in anyway DR or PROs fault. Population >>> Anet’s bad system, exploits >>> Anet’s bad programing (hell DR wvw guilds wont even defend exploited structures and report our own players), getting killed/family members getting killed leveling alts>>>your choice, you don’t HAVE to wvw to do that, and the same is true for staying on your server>>>don’t like it, transfer. yet you get aggressive with us when we succeed in what we are trying to do within the confines of wvw (which is win and move up, that is our goal).

and while you have my sympathy if your family members are getting upset because they are dying, there is nothing i can do about it…I’m not going to let them win. There are faces on this side of the screen as well, and we are in competition.

Wow, you have some major reading issues, and you continue with the insults.

I’m not sure why I’m going to bother, but here goes nothing.

My children are fine with dying, but in your lack of reading skills, can you show me where I said they were not? I’m find with the dying as well, IT IS PART OF THE GAME, but can you show me where I said otherwise? This has nothing to do with what has happened in game, only the childish nonsense that happens here on the forums.

What I’m not fine with, is the constant insults you guys throw around, and the videos that go along with it. You guys started the trash talking, not Anvil Rock, not Northern Shiverpeaks, no you, your guild, and your server. You were being childish, and I called you out on it. It’s comical to me, and a bit sad that my 10 year old daughter can show more class, and maturity. She wins well, and she loses well.

You guys want to say; “Anvil Rock sucks”, but you refuse to face our best. How funny is that? How can you go on, and talk trash on us, but refuse to fight equally geared, and leveled players?

You’re just another Borlis Pass, and the [GOAT] guild who has a lot of immature posters, who can’t enjoy the game without trying to make others not enjoy it. It’s both comical to me, and sad that the internet after so many years hasn’t got better, but continues to get worse. This is no longer 1995, and trolling has been beating the dead horse for long enough.

I understand online games are faceless to you, but at least show some class.

Acotje.5689:

hitting Bay, Ninja style

That’s always fun.

Kerithlan.1659:

jkctmc.8754:

Bakitten291:

jkctmc.8754:

In WvW……

As my Warrior, I’m going to kill you every single time we engage. You just can not handle the damage my build puts out, nor do the damage needed to kill me. Running 3100 attack, 3200 armor, and over 50% crit hit (65% crit with full adrenaline) with Knights Armor, you just do not stand a chance as a Guardian in killing me.

Shelter eating a 100b and giving me might on every block would say otherwise. Not saying warriors arent tough and can deal alot of damage but even the best geared are still killable. Its just dependant on avoiding the big bursts they can do, and using the right defenses at the right time. Focus #5, shelter, and aegis use can negate alot of damage warriors can put out. Te biggest thing is just watching for the quickness buff with warriors. The second you see it throw up a block and eat their burst.

I don’t use Greatsword brother. And “if” I have the quickness buff up on my bar, I’m going to stun, or knock you down long before I use it. <grins>

You act as though playing against guardians doesn’t come along with having stupid amounts of stability/stun breaks.

You can’t stun break a knockdown, and you sound like you think the Warrior only has access to one stun. While your stun breaks are on long cooldown timers, my stuns, and knockdowns are on smaller timers, thanks to the Mace Adrenaline ability.

Even if it becomes a battle of attrition, because you’re a meditation build, I still win the fight.

Psychatog.8246:

jkctmc.8754:

Drednyte.7601:

SOS…lol. why are u camping inside the NPCs at the supply camp right now. There’s like 6 DR folks there and 7-8 of you. And you hide in the NPCs? rofl

All good though, still getting my loot bags =)

Why do you wait for the top players of our guild to be at work, or doing things with our family to talk trash?

Fight our top crews, we’ll set up the times.

or you know, you could assault keeps and defend them, why should we go out of our way if points aren’t involved.

and as annoying as dred can be sometimes, his general play time IS late at night. he also isn’t pros “top player”, so fights seems valid to me.

the bigger question is why do you imply that your guild has such a big intra-guild skill gap.

All guilds have a variety of skill levels. We have full FAMILIES inside the guild. I don’t expect my 10 year old daugther to play any where near the skill level I play, and yes she’s been caught up in your guys videos when she’s following the Karma trains. And I’m not going to quit playing the game with my younger kids, because oh my god, you guys might beat us, and act younger than they are, and post a video of it on the inerwebs, because you think you’re elite.

What is the point, of points when you’ve got such a lead on us, and we can’t match your numbers even during prime time?

Between the numbers issues we’ve been facing week, after week, and the ever present exploits all servers seem willing to use, many of us, like myself have reduced our activities to leveling alts, or helping gear up other peoples toons. I myself have 4-80s with three sets of exotic gear, and working on my fifth 80, while my wife, and oldest boy (who works two jobs) are guilting me into leveling their toons.

We have a very large number of people on Anvil Rock, that all they do is make a new toon, Karma run it to 80, buy Orr Exotic Karma gear, and make a new toon. It’s been this way since I’ve come over to Anvil Rock from Henge of Denravi pre-release. Karma runs are the fastest way to level in this game, and at the end of it, you’ve got enough Karma to buy great PvE gear. It’s really sad.

I joked the other day that I think Anvil Rock gained smarter botters, who decided to do Karma trains, so they wouldn’t get banned. You can level a 80 in 3 days doing Karma runs, if you played long enough those three days.

Drednyte.7601:

SOS…lol. why are u camping inside the NPCs at the supply camp right now. There’s like 6 DR folks there and 7-8 of you. And you hide in the NPCs? rofl

All good though, still getting my loot bags =)

Why do you wait for the top players of our guild to be at work, or doing things with our family to talk trash? Every guild has lower levels, and undergeared 80s.

Fight our top crews, we’ll set up the times.

Oozo.7856:

12/23/12 – 5 versus 15-20 AR at Supply Camp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmVVfNxWxTw

12/31/12 – 7 versus 20-30 AR at Greenvale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEp8xS0IBKI

The first one looked like many of the sub-80, and undergeared 80 Karma trains that are frequent for AR.

And you forgot to mention the Ballista, which was doing the majority of your damage, for you. Not to mention the guild claimant, and other guards. If your guild claimant has the immunity buff, he’s also doing more damage.

I won’t bother watching the second, after seeing the first.

Anytime you want to face a fully geared group, and not a bunch of undergeared toons, send me a PM.

Anyone can kill undergeared, and lower level players doing Karma runs.

I’ve killed groups that size, and bigger on my Thief, when the Guild Claimant has had the immunity buff.

P.S. I went ahead and watched your second video. Look at all of those green up arrows.

Ok, this thread is done. Too bad, we had something good going, but people are people.

Barnabus Stinson.1409:

KensaiZen.3740:

let me put this into perspective

Warriors have roughly 20k more HP then a Guardian.

A thief does a burst combo on both classes with a 4 hit combo that does around 20k damage

Warrior absorbs the damage with its vitality and left with 15K health with no way to fully heal back up to 35K hp

Guardians block the first hit with aegis, blocked the second hit with another aegis, third attack missed with VoJ traited for blind, blocks last hit with a shield or focus or mace. If not block the last hit, the guardian can heal it back by just passive regen and symbol as well as AH giving health for using Virtues.

Damage mitigation is hugely powerful. Warriors are under powered. This is why they have been buffed recently.

Im sad to say, its another issue of L2P

So in you example a warrior sits there and lets himself get hit?
I hate finding this in these forums, if you have a massive hard on for a class please just write it somewhere else. Maybe get a tattoo saying I <3 Warrior. Warriors to have damage mitigation. And please provide the video where you manage to block all of a thief’s attacks. If you reflexes are really quick enough to not take a single hit after a thief jumps you from no where I will retract all ill perceptions of you.

It’s actually easy, see Thief, get into range, pop shield 3 second blocks, with the right spec stacks might, and pop 5 second invulnerability right before you knock him down, or stun him with Mace long duration stun, and kill him becuase most Thieves don’t run stun removal abilities.

My issue with Thieves is the fact my pet becomes my downfall since it provides an easy CnD target for the Thief.

It’s funny, but Mesmer illusions are smarter than our pets, when fighting Thieves.

Bakitten291:

jkctmc.8754:

In WvW……

As my Warrior, I’m going to kill you every single time we engage. You just can not handle the damage my build puts out, nor do the damage needed to kill me. Running 3100 attack, 3200 armor, and over 50% crit hit (65% crit with full adrenaline) with Knights Armor, you just do not stand a chance as a Guardian in killing me.

Shelter eating a 100b and giving me might on every block would say otherwise. Not saying warriors arent tough and can deal alot of damage but even the best geared are still killable. Its just dependant on avoiding the big bursts they can do, and using the right defenses at the right time. Focus #5, shelter, and aegis use can negate alot of damage warriors can put out. Te biggest thing is just watching for the quickness buff with warriors. The second you see it throw up a block and eat their burst.

I don’t use Greatsword brother. And “if” I have the quickness buff up on my bar, I’m going to stun, or knock you down long before I use it. <grins>

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

You realize that WvW is full of broken stuff like Generosity sigils, food that gives chill on crit, etc.? There’s a reason Anet uses the PvP version of skills for sPvP but WvW. WvW isn’t meant to be a serious PvP format.

I’ll gladly take your 1000 gold in an sPvP match, though. Put the money up first, I doubt you actually have that much.

I can’t believe you went, and tried to insult me. I hope you understand sPvP is for carebears who need things nerfed for them to compete. So of course you won’t face me in WvW.

I spent an entire day in sPvP and was doing so good, people who have been doing sPvP for awhile, started calling me a hacker. I havn’t gone back. <laughs>

But I can understand why you would enjoy playing an aspect of the game where they level for you, give you your gear for free, so you don’t have to earn anything. I’ve spent the time to earn everything I’ve fot, so forgive me for seeking a greater challenge where nothing is made easy for me.

If you like your build, GREAT, but what people are having an issue with, is that you’re trying to say your damage is higher than it really is. One of the reasons for that are those of us who have played many of the other classes, and who also play our Guardians are alarmed that Anet might actually believe your misguided information, and not give the Guardian buffs it desperately needs. A lot of people, like myself have quit our Guardians because the nerfs (done for sPvP carebears) has destroyed the class for WvW, and made it an extremely easy target to kill.

Did everyone wait until the New Year to muddy up the thread? It was a good thread, or so I though, until a DR player came in, and wrote a book on how AR, and NSP sucks, and doesn’t use tactics, even though many of us overlooked the videos from smaller groups trying to show the exact same thing.

Drednyte, no one bashed DR until that post talking major trash against us. You guys started with the small group nonsense, with youtube videos, so SoS decided to put together a solid group to end the videos. You guys were fine running small groups, and making the other two servers look like trash, until we decided to beat you at your own game. After we make our small group, you guys decide small groups are not worth it all of a sudden.

This is also a population game, and I started out on Henge of Denravi at pre-release when no server in the game could match us, during a time we had a SEVEN HOUR three way fight in Garrison, that Henge of Denravi won.

Since then I’ve seen transfers destroy two tier 1 servers, who’re now in the lowest tiers, and seen multiple low tier servers climb the ladders because of transfers, and eventually fall apart, and begin the downward spiral again.

Grats to your win, but don’t let it cloud your judgement. Now can we bring the thread around, and make it a decent thread again?

I probably wouldn’t use that thread as an indicator for Rangers Shortbow damage, vs a Warriors Rifle damage.

They didn’t spec the Warrior correctly, or use the right skills. I can more than quadruple a Rangers damage with the Rifle, let alone land killshot for MASSIVE damage because I rooted my target with the Longbow, and snared them with the Rifle, right before I hit them with roughly 18 stacks of mobility, and a Kill Shot that one shots them.

My Warrior has done 8k to 10k Volleys, 18k to 24k Killshots. You’re never going to do half that damage with a Shortbow. Even if you’re hasted, and I’m not.

It’s so easy to avoid a Rangers pet, it isn’t even funny. You’re only hurting yourselves with threads like this, because Anet might think the pets are fine, and don’t need fixed. Do yourselves a favor, and quit with this nonesense.

Sounds like a couple of Thieves in stealth healing him in his downed state.

@Johnpiece

That would be him/her.

Happy New Year to everyone.

Oozo.7856:

You could just go to an sPvP map. Unless your build depends heavily on customized WvW stats, racial abilities, or food (nothing wrong with that).

All my builds are made for WvW, and that includes the food, and changing that food during combat. My builds will not work in sPvP.

Drednyte.7601:

jkctmc.8754:

osif.8673:

Rinzler.8072:

Calling out AD…….our SOS A-team has been itchin to have a battle with you guys. So far it looks like you are the best 5-man out there, we wanna test our skills! Since we formed our 5man we have had trouble finding ya. You actually inspired me to form my 5-man since i saw your video wiping the floor with SoS, lol.

I for one would love to have an open battle 5v5 skirmish no NPC interference. I don’t think I’ve been on if PAXA has run into your 5 man, SoS has always outnumbered us when I’ve been around. Although WvW isn’t built for “fair fights,” I’d like to see how we fair against your A-Team in an even match! Maybe not today with NYE celebrations happening, but sometime would be great! I’m also down for some 1v1s if anyone would like… that’s the best way to understand how to counter a class imo and am always up for those!

You guys outnumber us sometimes too.

I love fighting PAXA people, and that darned PRO Elementalist. You keep me on my toes, and I’ve really been enjoying my Ranger again lately. I havn’t touched my Thief for days now.

Which PRO ele you talkin about?

I don’t know how to get his/her name, but I have had an issue beating this Elementalist on my Ranger. I was sitting outside our WP area in DR killing solos, duos, and a few trios, and one lower level group, even killing a PRO Thief who came by. Low and behold this Elementalist shows up, which looked like one I’ve seen in our Zerg on Zerg encounters, and engages some PuGs, so I go to the rescue of the PuGs, and he eventually kills me, right before the PuGs finish him off.

It could be that there are two, maybe three Elementalist in PRO that are tough to kill on my Ranger because I tend to target people who have stacks over 10, in the Zerg on Zerg fights, and every time I get a PRO player with that many, it is an Elementalist, and I’ll spend a lot of time chasing them around, or running if too many target me, and it takes a God aweful amount of time to down them.

I’ve killed your Guardians, your Thieves, got frustrated chasing your Mesmers, but for the life of me, your Elementalist, or if they’re multiple of them are insanely hard for me when on my Ranger.

But I promise I’m working on a build to alleviate that issue.

Oozo.7856:

Honestly, the sweet spot for dealing with the 20+ man zergs is around 8 players so I certainly don’t blame anyone for doing two group runs as it at least gives you a chance against the larger zergs.

Of course 8 coordinated people is going to be way too much for 5 coordinated people to handle. You just got to play whatever hand you’ve been dealt.

Especially if that 8 man group has a couple Elementalists, and Confusion AE Mesmers.

It’s surprising to see what these two classes can do to zergs.

Jscull.2514:

Thank God there are people running ONLY 5 mans. I thought it was just PAXA and the rest were zergalites.

Need 5 mans running up north in borderlands…always just add on fights in the south. I cant recall a single fight tho in the past week with 5 SoS members.

Every time I’ve encountered you guys, it’s usually you outnumbering us, or us outnumbering you.

osif.8673:

Rinzler.8072:

Calling out AD…….our SOS A-team has been itchin to have a battle with you guys. So far it looks like you are the best 5-man out there, we wanna test our skills! Since we formed our 5man we have had trouble finding ya. You actually inspired me to form my 5-man since i saw your video wiping the floor with SoS, lol.

BSTY. Ide say your prolly 2nd best weve fought, We got a nice 5 on 5 on the ramp down to astralhome 2 days ago. Dunno if thats your A-team or not. We ended up beating you. You started off puttin the hurt on, but then it seems you got flustered and fell apart. We love to fight you guys more often too.

PRO. You guys have alot of decent players, most the time we smoke ya. You should put together a 5 man of your best, i bet you would b e a force to be reckoned with.

PAXA. You guys seem to be learning quick, we had some fun fights with ya. Keep it up!

But yea if any of you 5-mans are on, msg me so we can try to run into one another :-)

I for one would love to have an open battle 5v5 skirmish no NPC interference. I don’t think I’ve been on if PAXA has run into your 5 man, SoS has always outnumbered us when I’ve been around. Although WvW isn’t built for “fair fights,” I’d like to see how we fair against your A-Team in an even match! Maybe not today with NYE celebrations happening, but sometime would be great! I’m also down for some 1v1s if anyone would like… that’s the best way to understand how to counter a class imo and am always up for those!

You guys outnumber us sometimes too.

I love fighting PAXA people, and that darned PRO Elementalist. You keep me on my toes, and I’ve really been enjoying my Ranger again lately. I havn’t touched my Thief for days now.

KensaiZen.3740:

I will give it a go. But i wont wager 1000g. Who the hell has 1000g????

I do. How do you think I gear up 4 80s in Exotics, and such? I’m actually planning on doing my Legendaries for each soon. Just havn’t decided if I want to do my secondary weapon(s) or not yet.

I’m on Anvil Rock, so it’s probably best if we transfer to two of the lowest tier servers, or you could transfer to one of the servers I’m against, that way we can avoid queues, and a large population that could interrupt the fight(s).

Rob.7624:

jkctmc.8754:

Lord Aargadon.4135:

We don’t have the numbers to keep a presence in two maps and a lot of the time not even one map. Even then other servers presence is greater than ours, its been a few weeks since we’ve even built the waypoint upgrade at garrison and had it last more than a day. With that said, we like being able to clutch onto one keep in EB fully upgraded, whereas AR struggles to take a keep(and defend) that takes 10 seconds to walk to from spawn.

I’d like to say I know how each server shapes up population wise, but I play in off prime hours so I’m pretty lonely besides the constant spew of DR all over the place.

Path of least resistance, like it or not. But for DR regarding our BL and AR side of EB

I hope you’re not saying AR has a large population. O.O

I hope you’re not saying that NSP still has more people than you O_O
A lot has changed in the past two weeks.
We are no longer the same server that you faced during the first win.

You definately have a lack of population, not sure where they went.

However, AR is lucky to field enough for one map, so we’re used to having a smaller population than many of the higher populated servers we have faced.

It would seem this week you have a smaller population than AR does.

I’d wager 1000g that neither of you could kill my Warrior, or Ranger as a Guardian. Care to put up 1000g, and we can switch servers?

In WvW…..

As my Thief, if you’re equipping anything but Sword+Focus, I’m going to kill your Guardian every single time we engage.

As my Warrior, I’m going to kill you every single time we engage. You just can not handle the damage my build puts out, nor do the damage needed to kill me. Running 3100 attack, 3200 armor, and over 50% crit hit (65% crit with full adrenaline) with Knights Armor, you just do not stand a chance as a Guardian in killing me.

That said, I have a fully exotic gear 80 Guardian as well. I do something I’m sure others do not, which is change food “in combat” on the fly. If I’m dodging, I eat my 40% endurance regen, if I’m attacking, I eat my 60% chance on crit to get life steal, and so on. Because I change foods out often, I have a much better chance on my Guardian to kill Warriors, and Thieves.

With 4 fully geared 80s, each with three sets of level 80 exotic gear, my Guardian has become the most unfun for me to play because of the nerfs, which ironically, my Ranger has become the funnest though they still need to fix some bugs for the Ranger.

The biggest issue I have with my Guardian is lack of gap closers, in comparison to the massive amount of snares, roots, stun’s, knockdowns that are out there. I feel like I spend more time chasing someone, rather than fighting them. This was recently made worse when they gave three classes 25% run speed on their Signets, making the Guardian, and Mesmer the slowest classes in the game.

Morningstar.6208:

Necro from ROFL guild:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY5fd_cy1cU&feature=youtube_gdata

After chasing a Necro the other day, and seeing how fast they were, I got onto my wifes, and it seems, as follows;

The necro new 25% speed buff stacks with the old main hand dagger +15% buff, and when I tested it out on my wifes Necro, it almost seemed that I was also getting the +10% boost to speed for having the offhand dagger as well.

I was moving insanely fast on her Necromancer.

That isn’t bad for a broken class.

You’re complaining about your speed, which is fastest in the game, when classes like Guardian, and Mesmers run slow as dirt?

Neither the Thief, or the Elementalist need to be faster.

Come on guys.

Lord Aargadon.4135:

We don’t have the numbers to keep a presence in two maps and a lot of the time not even one map. Even then other servers presence is greater than ours, its been a few weeks since we’ve even built the waypoint upgrade at garrison and had it last more than a day. With that said, we like being able to clutch onto one keep in EB fully upgraded, whereas AR struggles to take a keep(and defend) that takes 10 seconds to walk to from spawn.

I’d like to say I know how each server shapes up population wise, but I play in off prime hours so I’m pretty lonely besides the constant spew of DR all over the place.

Path of least resistance, like it or not. But for DR regarding our BL and AR side of EB

I hope you’re not saying AR has a large population. O.O