Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
The large guild Sekz left DR to join Kaining this week. DR, and/or BP might suffer when they get bumped down with the guilds they’re losing.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
Maguuma and Borlis Pass will push Devona’s Rest down, while Kaining will move up. Borliss Pass lost a medium sized guild, but they still have some big numbers, and I’d wager they’ll help Maguuma crush Kaining, just for the simple fact they do not want to drop down a tier, and it will allow them to secure second place.
I look forward to seeing how well you guys do moving up a tier, after gaining the Warmachine guild.
I think I’m going to take the chance to level my Mesmer this week <grins> but I’m afraid it will replace the time I play my Ranger.
Right now, looks like BP may be moving down (if things stay on track) rather than DR, and Mags is on track for T4 next week, bringing Ebay back to T5. My prediction for T5 next week is Ebay/Kain/DR. I think that has all the makings of a fun matchup.
Crap, I forgot to look and see how Ebay was doing. I’m predicting Ebay/Kain/BP unless DR manages some serious points this week, but if they do, you’re stuck in this tier for at least one more week.
P.S. Just looked at it again, and I think you’re right. Hadn’t realized how many points people got between sleep, and work.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
(edited by jkctmc.8754)
I’m probably going to level my 5th 80, a Mesmer for now until the next update. I hope they give great consideration in making solid changes in the Ranger.
I keep thinking about Spirits, and I just can’t think of a good way to fix the Spirits. Every other class has F1-Fwhatever abilities that greatly improve their class, yet the Ranger gets to kind of control their pets, with a crappy F2 pet ability. I still think the pet shouts should have been placed in those spots for us to use.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
Maguuma and Borlis Pass will push Devona’s Rest down, while Kaining will move up. Borliss Pass lost a medium sized guild, but they still have some big numbers, and I’d wager they’ll help Maguuma crush Kaining, just for the simple fact they do not want to drop down a tier, and it will allow them to secure second place.
I look forward to seeing how well you guys do moving up a tier, after gaining the Warmachine guild.
I think I’m going to take the chance to level my Mesmer this week <grins> but I’m afraid it will replace the time I play my Ranger.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
Well I guess you could look at the upside:
1) They’ll really mess up our groove.
2) The extra numbers means we won’t stay in T5 to destroy anyone else.
3) We solved the missing left sock conspiracy.
Wasn’t your guild, EoH on BP, or DR previously?
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
Kaining got one guild of over 400 on a transfer, along with two other pretty good sized guilds, not to mention some smaller guilds.
Like DR before them, they’ll pass the servers they overpopulate, and get stopped by servers like Maguuma, and EBay.
Nothing special, just weather it out, and watch them get crushed next week when they face equal numbers.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
Rangers are free kills. Class need to get fixed.
Since we are on the same server we can’t 1v1 in WvW…… would you be up to putting that “free kill” to the test in an empty sPvP room?
You could always swtich servers, and fight my Warrior, Guardian, and Thief, and when you’re tired of losing to them, my Ranger.
So, no then?
So no then what? I’m not the person who you challenged, but instead a person who has challenged you, if you change servers.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
I love how Kaining getting transfers automatically gives these guys a big head. DR got stomped once they met an equal population, so will Kaining. You were in tier 8 because you belonged in tier 8, and now that you have had a massive number of transfers, you’ll move up until you face equally populated servers.
There is a reason T1 servers went from T1 to T8, and it isn’t because they sucked.
This is funny.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
Sorry us no-lifers hate you space wasters, you contribute nothing to wvw except longer queues … spvp is over there —-->
Sure it can be done in sPvP as well but there are some minor differences in stats and skill effects in sPvP. And frankly it’s just easier to organize and more fun to do it in WvW with more space for spectators.
People go to Jump Puzzles because it indirectly benefits WvW with the seige blueprints. Well Dueling also indirectly benefits WvW in that players learn their own toons better. They can better understand CC’ing, dodging, self-combo’ing, etc since they see the direct results against their single oponent, rather than just throwing AOEs in a massive zerg and not seeing who you’re hitting and how it effects them.
I’d say a group of 10 experienced Duelers could kill a zerg of 20 “WvWers”, even better would be a group of SPvPers against WvWers, as you probably seen in that 4v30 video by Team Paradigm
You think too highly of sPvP players. Every time I have done sPvP, I get accusations of hacking because I stomp them easily. I face better fights in WvW, than I ever did in sPvP, the ruleset that HAS to nerf everything so they can deal with easier stuff.
Killing PuGs with a premade group is easy too. Now if you want to post a video of a group on group fight between two premades who’re good, I’ll watch it.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
Do you think Spiders and Cats can climb, Birds could fly? What about burrowing pets going up under a wall?
The Ranger pet is virtually useless in most situations. The least you could do, is not complain about Guard.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
Rangers are free kills. Class need to get fixed.
Since we are on the same server we can’t 1v1 in WvW…… would you be up to putting that “free kill” to the test in an empty sPvP room?
You could always swtich servers, and fight my Warrior, Guardian, and Thief, and when you’re tired of losing to them, my Ranger.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
I have fully exotic gear 80 Ranger, 80 Warrior, 80 Guardian, 80 Thief. In order of my favorites, or those that feel complete in WvW, most importantly running with a group are as follows.
Running solo, I prefer in order; Warrior, Thief, Ranger, Guardian. For some reason solo my Ranger is funner than a Guardian solo. Actually, I know why, the Guardian is slow as dirt.
Running in groups, I prefer in order; Guardian, Warrior, Thief, and finally Ranger. The Ranger is going to be one of the first targets in a group on group situation, and you have very little to provide survivability, or get away from the burst that will come your way.
I’ve been playing my Ranger religiously the last three weeks, and do good versus all classes, but occasionally I get this Thief that does impossible damage, and no matter what I do, I just can not handle/survive it. Most Thieves don’t have this kind of build, and more than not they’re new to the class so they’re easy to deal with.
Case in point, just now;
I have 2632 Armor
2636 Steal
– This triggered Natures Protection 5 sec Protection
4,361 Cloak and Dagger
– Wait, I have a 33% damage reduction on.
6,662 Backstab Note: This happened in less than a second. Keybind or Mouse Macro.
– Wait, I still have a 33% damage reduction on.
– This was a frontal backstab, which I think should be removed, and require back only.
– Hit the Thief with Winter’s Bite.
– Try to trigger Lightning Reflexes, yet it goes on cooldown, nothing happens. WTF?!??!?
– I dodge, escaping the damage of auto attack, and one heartseeker, which triggers 2 seconds more Protection.
4,025 Heartseeker
– Funny that, I still have 33% damage reduction on.
– This also triggers Barkskin.
4,025 Heartseeker
– I still have 33% damage reduction from Protection.
– Barkskin is either bugged, or does not stack with Protection.
– I dodge escaping Cloak and Dagger, which reapplies my Protection for another 2 seconds.
4,025 Heartseeker
Dead
Send my pet into a camp solo, and watch him die for being worthless to me.
The entire fight was roughly 5 seconds, 6 at most. My pet barely even touched the glass canon Thief, and my damage wasn’t much help either.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
50% less AOE dmg means he dies in 3secs instead of 1.5 secs
It would be a start. <grins>
I don’t think pets should be hit by AoEs at all, mainly because it seems they’re not counted in the cap of 5, so in a large scale fight, they’re soaking dozens of AoEs at one time.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
It seems like us guys over at Kaineng kept you guys down and vice versa and now that we’re not competing against each other we’re both able to rise pretty quick. It’s kind of a shame the scoring kept both of us so low when we’re more competitive than the servers above us. I wouldn’t be surprised if we match up again at T5.
Don’t let transfers, and the fact you outnumber the lower tiers now get to your head. Once you hit equally populated servers in Tier 5, you too will hit a wall, and like DR, lose.
Kaining got a transfer from one guild of 400 players alone.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
I’ve noticed several times now in WvW and spvp that rangers cannot be knocked down at certain times but there is no stability icon on them at all. Is this a bug? If so, it really needs to be fixed, as wasting a knockdown not knowing they have stability is ridiculous. any input from the rangers?
It’s a trait that transfers the condition to our pet.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shared_Anguish
No bug.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
I beat Thieves on a regular basis, but there is always this one who does far more damage than any other Thief out there.
Case in point, just now;
I have 2632 Armor
2636 Steal
- This triggered Natures Protection 5 sec Protection
*4,361 Cloak and Dagger
- Wait, I have a 33% damage reduction on.
6,662 Backstab Note: This happened in less than a second. Keybind or Mouse Macro.
- Wait, I still have a 33% damage reduction on.
- This was a frontal backstab, which I think should be removed, and require back only.
- Hit the Thief with Winter’s Bite.
- Try to trigger Lightning Reflexes, yet it goes on cooldown, nothing happens. WTF?!??!?
- I dodge, escaping the damage of auto attack, and one heartseeker, which triggers 2 seconds more Protection.
4,025 Heartseeker
- Funny that, I still have 33% damage reduction on.
- This also triggers Barkskin.
4,025 Heartseeker
- I still have 33% damage reduction from Protection.
- Barkskin is either bugged, or does not stack with Protection.
- I dodge escaping Cloak and Dagger, which reapplies my Protection for another 2 seconds.
4,025 Heartseeker
Dead
Send my pet into a camp solo, and watch him die for being worthless to me.
The entire fight was roughly 5 seconds, 6 at most. My pet barely even touched the glass canon Thief, and my damage wasn’t much help either.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
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Aodh will be providing us a video of his Ranger killing Thieves constantly. I can’t wait!
I’ll start collecting clips.
I’ll be waiting to see that video.
has someone never seen a full melee ranger? a good one kills almost everything, not just thieves.
I’ve never seen one in WvW, but people like to post sPvP, and play it off as something worth considering, even though so many abilities are nerfed to make sPvP easier.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
Its really just mirroring what everyone has been saying.
It’s awesome that others feel the same way. Would be nice if we could get a sit down with a developer, and discuss everything.
As if they cared, this and much more has been in the Ranger Bug list since BETA. They do not give a rats kitten about Rangers.
I really hope that changes though. I have some faith, for now.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
Aodh will be providing us a video of his Ranger killing Thieves constantly. I can’t wait!
I’ll start collecting clips.
I’ll be waiting to see that video.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
I buy siege with mine, so it doesn’t really pile up.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
Aodh will be providing us a video of his Ranger killing Thieves constantly. I can’t wait!
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
yeah, will have to be at least after Tuesday (xfer lockout)….
Go to SPvP, the stat’s are not that much different. No Xfer and it can be settled there.
Not even close. An upscaled level 20 Ranger in WvW will have the same gear he had before zoning in, while a sPvP Ranger will have exotics, and access to much more, like level 80 Sigils, and Runes.
It’s not even close to being the same.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
Now thats a nice point gain.
Saw that this morning, while helping to reclaim some EB. Nothing wrong with some opportunistic PvDoor. Get it while you can!
I’m glad at least our PvD beats DH’s.
http://i.imgur.com/Nldc8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CtvZn.jpgCan we stop pretending that NSP has any significant/decent US night time presence? There was literally 3 people in our borderlands at that time unless there were randoms PvEing bears/wolves/kittens/etc.
Weird, no outmanned buff.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
It would also be nice if some skills actually did what they say in descriotion.
Point Blank Shot doesn’t always knock back as it’s too easily resisted or reflected.
Considering it’s one of our main defence moves on Longbow. Entangle is pretty useless too for the same reasons.
Quick shot and Lightning reflexes.
fix these so that they do what description says , or change description to reflect fact that you will “evade”? in a random direction (usually towards the enemy)
I’ve been having issues with Lightning Reflexes doing nothing lately, and/or getting interrupted. I’m not sure what is going on with that skill. If it keeps up, I’ll have to slot another stun breaker in its place.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
Oh, btw I’m more than willing to take you up on that duel challenge, any time. What server are ya on?
I’m on Anvil Rock, so you would have to join Darkhaven, or if you transfer after Friday you’ll want to be on Kaineng(sp?).
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
So, what you’re admitting then is that you are the average 80? not even a little above average? Once again, YES I lose handily, as in get my kitten royally kicked in by people who are level 80 and are actually good on their class. But how many people do you run into in WvW that are good? Most of these people are simply PvE’rs pretending to PvP (ie. they are walking badges even for upscaled players so long as they have a remote clue). This makes for a generally positive experience while solo roaming.
Where did I say I’m an average 80? When you have to resort to insults, you’ve already lost the argument, and only solidifies my belief that you’re telling a tall tale here.
The ONLY way I could see this happening is if you pumped 20 points into Beastmastery, dodged around avoiding getting hit, while your pet does the kills, since the pet upscaled at 80, is still the same pet a level 80 has.
If that is the case, man I would love to run on your server. I average 170 badges a night fighting higher quality players.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
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I run a S/D + SB ranger. I’m only level 20 atm but feel very confident even roaming solo in WvW. They are a solid class.
Lolzers in my trousers.
Ranger is a bad class to start out on. It’s lacking self-synergy, and it’s an uphill battle all the way.
But if you like pain, go for it.
Speaking as an 80 ranger with 150+ skill points from wvw and an 80 thief with 50+ skill points.
I also have a thief with over 1000 current hours played on it. A s/d ranger will give any thief a run for their money if played properly. The highly evasive nature of the build causes a ton of initiative wasting for the thief. Don’t build glass cannon, stack toughness, condition damage, and vitality. Currently the only class I’ve not beaten in 1v1 vs 80s on a regular basis is mesmers.
You can’t expect people to believe this hogwash, now do you?
I have roughly 7000 kills as a Thief, with roughly 50 deaths (AS A GLASS CANON), and 5000 kills as a Ranger with rhoughly 200 deaths (BUNKER BEASTMASTERY BUILD). I also sport a 80 Warrior, and 80 Guardian.
You could not kill any of my 80 toons, let alone killing the ones with regen, while I was afk. A GOOD Thief doesn’t die, let alone to a Ranger of all classes. <laughs>
The nerve of some people. Honesty is a virtue, not something to be feared.
Wow, because a sub 80 ranger has never killed an 80 character, ignorance is bliss.
Rangers are not a great class but any class is capable of killing any class even if they are below 80 if played right.
It’s cool, man. Doubters are gonna doubt. I’m fairly well known in the dueling circuit on my server; so I’m not at all threatened by this person’s uneducated comments.
You two are so cute. There is no way a level 20 Ranger is going to kill any level 80 who knows half of what their class can do. It just will not happen. Killing level 80 toons played by players who’re not good at the class they’re playing means absolutely nothing. It sure as hell doesn’t show whether or not a class is balanced.
I could duel your level 20 Ranger 1000 times with any of my level 80s, and win every single time.
You could always provide a video.
90% of the people you run into while solo roaming are absolutely clueless about their class. The argument here is whether or not one can successfully roam on an upscaled ranger, not whether they can beat every level 80 they come across.
I’m sorry you had a bad experience at low level, not everyone is on the same playing field, skill-wise.
I love the hidden insult at the end. <grins>
I have never had any issue on a low level, and have leveled all my toons in WvW doing Karma trains, which has allowed me to get from 1-80, having enough Karma for the Orr Exotic gear, until I get the gear that better suits my build. However, when I’m playing my low levels in WvW, I’m targeting other low levels, and havn’t really solo fought an 80, that I can remember.
My opposition to your fairy tale is that there is no possible way I could lose to an unscaled class, on any of my toons, even fighting the flavor of the month classes. Knowing the Ranger, and how much they NEED thier traits, I don’t see how you could possibly kill any of my 80s, even if I just auto attacked. For that matter, I don’t think your level 20 Ranger could get my level 60 Mesmer to half health.
The level 80 food alone far surpasses anything you’ll get as a level 20 Ranger, and Omnom Pie alone would counter any damage you could do.
I just don’t see it possible, but you could provide a video of you doing so. In the amount of time we’ve been discussing this, I’ve got 6 levels on my Mesmer, so if you’re level 20, I’m almost wondering if you havn’t found a bug.
Yeah, I need to see a video.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
(edited by jkctmc.8754)
Its really just mirroring what everyone has been saying.
It’s awesome that others feel the same way. Would be nice if we could get a sit down with a developer, and discuss everything.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
(edited by jkctmc.8754)
Some of the issues with a Ranger as I see it, and would greatly improve the class are as follows:
Pets
— F2 abilities are very slow to cast, with very long recast times. As it is now, landing a Howl, or a Breath Weapon is near impossible for moving targets. They should be instant cast.
— Pets just are not smart. The Mesmers illusions are a lot smarter. If someone steatlhs on a Ranger pet, he stands there saying; “duh”, and will not react once they come out of stealth, but a Mesmer’s illusions will wait for the target to unstealth, and IMMEDIATELY go after them.
— Pets are extremely squishy, even with 30 in Beastmastery. The only solution to this I can think of is make them immune to AEs, or take 50% less damage by AEs.
Trait synergy, and/or uselessness. Here are some of the changes I think need to happen.
— Malicious Training; Should not just effect the Rangers pet, but also the Ranger.
— Piercing Arrows should mirror the Warriors Crack Shot; "All arrow attacks pierce targets. Longbow & Shorbow skills recharge 20% faster.
— Pet’s Prowess; Pets do 30% more damage on critical hits. Rangers do 10% more damage on critical hits.
— Companion’s Might; Critical hits grant Might to the Ranger, and the Ranger’s pets.
— Quick Draw; Entering combat with a Longbow, or Shortbow gives the Ranger 1 seconds Quickness. Note: Similar to the Rangers “Opening Strikes”.
— Expertise Training; Pets and the Ranger deal extra condition damage.
— Hide in Plain Sight; Applies stealth for 5 seconds rather than camoflage, allowing the Ranger to move after the CC effects have expired.
— Concentration Training: Boons applied by the Ranger, and the Rangers pets last longer.
— Master’s Bond; Your pet has a bond with you that increases its stats by 10% of the Rangers stats.
Weapon Changes
— Shorbow bleed effect should not require you to flank.
— Longbow auto attack needs to be FASTER.
— Axe “mainhand” attacks should be 1000 range, rather than 900 range, and damage should be increased by 5%.
— Axe “offhand”, Whirling Defense should allow the Ranger to move, just like Dagger Storm allows the Thief to move. The radius of Whirling Defense should be increased by 50%, and damage increased by 5%.
— Torch; Bonfire needs a damage increased by at least 50% on its physical damage.
— Sword auto attack should be revisited, and made more fluid.
Please add your ideas here as well.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
(edited by jkctmc.8754)
I run a S/D + SB ranger. I’m only level 20 atm but feel very confident even roaming solo in WvW. They are a solid class.
Lolzers in my trousers.
Ranger is a bad class to start out on. It’s lacking self-synergy, and it’s an uphill battle all the way.
But if you like pain, go for it.
Speaking as an 80 ranger with 150+ skill points from wvw and an 80 thief with 50+ skill points.
I also have a thief with over 1000 current hours played on it. A s/d ranger will give any thief a run for their money if played properly. The highly evasive nature of the build causes a ton of initiative wasting for the thief. Don’t build glass cannon, stack toughness, condition damage, and vitality. Currently the only class I’ve not beaten in 1v1 vs 80s on a regular basis is mesmers.
You can’t expect people to believe this hogwash, now do you?
I have roughly 7000 kills as a Thief, with roughly 50 deaths (AS A GLASS CANON), and 5000 kills as a Ranger with rhoughly 200 deaths (BUNKER BEASTMASTERY BUILD). I also sport a 80 Warrior, and 80 Guardian.
You could not kill any of my 80 toons, let alone killing the ones with regen, while I was afk. A GOOD Thief doesn’t die, let alone to a Ranger of all classes. <laughs>
The nerve of some people. Honesty is a virtue, not something to be feared.
Wow, because a sub 80 ranger has never killed an 80 character, ignorance is bliss.
Rangers are not a great class but any class is capable of killing any class even if they are below 80 if played right.
It’s cool, man. Doubters are gonna doubt. I’m fairly well known in the dueling circuit on my server; so I’m not at all threatened by this person’s uneducated comments.
You two are so cute. There is no way a level 20 Ranger is going to kill any level 80 who knows half of what their class can do. It just will not happen. Killing level 80 toons played by players who’re not good at the class they’re playing means absolutely nothing. It sure as hell doesn’t show whether or not a class is balanced.
I could duel your level 20 Ranger 1000 times with any of my level 80s, and win every single time.
You could always provide a video.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
Some of the issues with a Ranger are as follows.
Pets
— F2 abilities are very slow to cast, with very long recast times.
— Pets just are not smart. The Mesmers illusions are a lot smarter. If someone steatlhs on a Ranger pet, he stands there saying; “duh”, and will not react once they come out of stealth, but a Mesmer’s illusions will wait for the target to unstealth, and IMMEDIATELY go after them.
— Pets are extremely squishy, even with 30 in Beastmastery. The only solution to this I can think of is make them immune to AEs, or take 50% less damage by AEs.
Trait synergy, and/or uselessness. Here are some of the changes I think need to happen.
— Malicious Training; Should not just effect the Rangers pet, but also the Ranger.
— Piercing Arrows should mirror the Warriors Crack Shot; "All arrow attacks pierce targets. Longbow & Shorbow skills recharge 20% faster.
— Pet’s Prowess; Pets do 30% more damage on critical hits. Rangers do 10% more damage on critical hits.
— Companion’s Might; Critical hits grant might to the Ranger, and the Ranger’s pets.
— Quick Draw; Entering combat with a Longbow, or Shortbow gives the Ranger 2 seconds Quickness. Note: Similar to the Rangers opening Strikes.
— Expertise Training; Pets and the Ranger deal extra condition damage.
— Hide in Plain Sight; Applies stealth for 5 seconds rather than camoflage, allowing the Ranger to move after the CC effects have expired.
— Concentration Training: Boons applied by the Ranger, and the Rangers pets last longer.
— Master’s Bond; Your pet has a bond with you that increases its stats by 10% of the Rangers stats.
Weapon Changes
Shorbow bleed effect should not require you to flank.
Longbow auto attack needs to be FASTER.
Axe attacks should be 1000 range, rather than 900 range, and damage should be increased by 5%.
Sword auto attack should be revisited, and made more fluid.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
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After playing the Ranger, Warrior, Guardian, and Theif to 80, and fully gearing them all in exotics, and starting on my Mesmer who just hit level 60 it just feels like the Ranger is one of those classes in any MMO, that was not completely thought out, and hastily thrown together.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
Yeah, the reason for this is I just rolled ranger last week.
Don’t assume to know my motives. I agree that there are builds on several classes that need to be nerfed, especially on the thief.As for FoTM, I’ve never been that. I’m willing to bet you’re a bullkitten cookie-cutter build on your thief (backstab or P/D amirite?). While I’ve taken the time to actually develop a tank build with S/D that’s not el-cheapo and actually takes some skill to play. (hence the 1k+ hours)
Actually, my first build on my Thief was Sword+Pistol defense build, that made my Guardian defense build look like a chump, once I realized there was no cooldown to the Omnom Pie, and 66% chance to life steal on crit was HUGE, once you utilized Devorer Venom, on top of Pistol Whip, getting healed from your food, and Signet of Malice. To make it even better, I could go into a 40 man zerg, steal from a Warrior, and stay full health with Dagger Storm, followed by Whirling Axes, creating enough havoc and chaos so that my team could clean house – and get away.
Now I run Sword+Dagger, changing my gear out for better damage. Sword #2 ability is the Thiefs best stun breaker, and I couldn’t use any other weapon set because of it.
How is your cookie cutter build?
I don’t like nerfs, and would never support a nerf to the Thief class. Nerfs cause for confusion, and forces people to relearn their class. I’d rather see the Ranger, and the Necromancer buffed instead.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
(edited by jkctmc.8754)
We have the point lead. Both servers should be hitting us on a regular basis.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
I run a S/D + SB ranger. I’m only level 20 atm but feel very confident even roaming solo in WvW. They are a solid class.
Lolzers in my trousers.
Ranger is a bad class to start out on. It’s lacking self-synergy, and it’s an uphill battle all the way.
But if you like pain, go for it.
Speaking as an 80 ranger with 150+ skill points from wvw and an 80 thief with 50+ skill points.
I also have a thief with over 1000 current hours played on it. A s/d ranger will give any thief a run for their money if played properly. The highly evasive nature of the build causes a ton of initiative wasting for the thief. Don’t build glass cannon, stack toughness, condition damage, and vitality. Currently the only class I’ve not beaten in 1v1 vs 80s on a regular basis is mesmers.
You can’t expect people to believe this hogwash, now do you?
I have roughly 7000 kills as a Thief, with roughly 50 deaths, and 5000 kills as a Ranger with rhoughly 200 deaths. I also sport a 80 Warrior, and 80 Guardian.
You could not kill any of my 80 toons, let alone killing the ones with regen, while I was afk. A GOOD Thief doesn’t die, let alone to a Ranger of all classes. <laughs>
The nerve of some people. Honesty is a virtue, not something to be feared.
Ok, keep fighting baddies with glass cannon builds who use nothing but shortbow. I’m sure you will continue to farm kills. It’s painfully obvious you’ve never fought a ranger with a dueling build….. As for the afk bit, most laughable thing I’ve read in these forums to date.
Oh, and for the record, I never claimed to win every fight vs 80. Only stated that I do regularly kill players at that level. At some point skill differential supercedes the level difference.
You say I’m killing baddies, yet indicate you’re killing good players at level 20? Seriously?
Quit embarassing yourself.
The Ranger, and Necromancer needs buffs. To say otherwise proves a bias, probably towards your Thief. If you really do have a Theif with 1000 hours played, you and I both know both these classes are free kills for us.
Aside from that, there is a reason you have 1000 hours played as a Thief, and your Ranger is only level 20.
The difference between you, and me, is I have over 300 hours played on a Ranger, and have leveled 4 toons to 80, fully gearing them out in exotics. Unlike FOTM players, I want a balanced game.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
(edited by jkctmc.8754)
Overall I have found it a better class to play than my big old Guardian. It’ll be interesting to see how I develop her to 80. Nothing but fun so far…
I’m not sure it is better, but the Ranger is a lot funner than the Guardian. With the nerfs to the Guardian, it has become the least favorite of my toons.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
I run a S/D + SB ranger. I’m only level 20 atm but feel very confident even roaming solo in WvW. They are a solid class.
Lolzers in my trousers.
Ranger is a bad class to start out on. It’s lacking self-synergy, and it’s an uphill battle all the way.
But if you like pain, go for it.
Speaking as an 80 ranger with 150+ skill points from wvw and an 80 thief with 50+ skill points.
I also have a thief with over 1000 current hours played on it. A s/d ranger will give any thief a run for their money if played properly. The highly evasive nature of the build causes a ton of initiative wasting for the thief. Don’t build glass cannon, stack toughness, condition damage, and vitality. Currently the only class I’ve not beaten in 1v1 vs 80s on a regular basis is mesmers.
You can’t expect people to believe this hogwash, now do you?
I have roughly 7000 kills as a Thief, with roughly 50 deaths (AS A GLASS CANON), and 5000 kills as a Ranger with rhoughly 200 deaths (BUNKER BEASTMASTERY BUILD). I also sport a 80 Warrior, and 80 Guardian.
You could not kill any of my 80 toons, let alone killing the ones with regen, while I was afk. A GOOD Thief doesn’t die, let alone to a Ranger of all classes. <laughs>
The nerve of some people. Honesty is a virtue, not something to be feared.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
(edited by jkctmc.8754)
Hmmm [OG], what to say…
I tried to arrange a fair fight with Bunzy (respectable even number matchups), instead when others from Maguuma jump us, him and his buddies decide to jump in as well and claim victory (4 vs 5 + the 2 that jumped us). Ok that’s how it’s going to be… So, I bring more guys to the fight for a more even numbers matchup, [WäR] wins the fight. More [WäR] show up later to win more battles and now magically things are unfair.
While I will give credit that OG has some pretty strong players, if you’re going to troll others by fighting with unequal numbers, learn how to handle it when you lose.
Here is what happened, judge for yourself. They actually killed one of our members before the fight even started so it ended up 4 OG + 1 Random Mesmer vs 6 WaR (The mesmer went down early as we didn’t res him) One thing I can’t stand is people who lie, but it seems tier 5 love to do it.
I counted 5 War, and you picked up four loot bags.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
lol………. What?!?!?
This thread can’t be serious.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
@TheFreshBrew
What more can a person do beyond reporting?
Exploiting sucks, but unfortunately every server has them. We’re not developers, and we can not do anything else. I suppose we could scream at the top of our lungs to stop, stomp around in front of our computers proclaiming that justice be served, but what good will that do us?
Quit suggesting that an entire server is responsible for the actions of a few. You guys have your hackers, but you don’t see us blaming you for thier actions. Your actions only server to muddy up what was a good thread, for nothing.
Anet needs to fix the stuff, and they’re too slow at fixing it.
I am suggesting there were exploits used, however, you are right there is nothing more than reporting the offenders in hopes that Anet will fix these issues with the February patch. I know that Anvil Rock as a whole are not a server of exploiters. The reason I posted it in the forums is more on hopes that an honor system will go into play. I know that every server has their share of these guys but unless we (the guys that play by the rules) know about it we can’t police our own guilds. I’m sorry if anyone in the guilds of the screenshots are mad, but if you are take it as tough love. This week has been the best time in a while that my guild has had fighting in WvW. However, last night’s exploit was really discouraging after we spent all that time, effort, and money to upgrade towers and keeps and they fall in less than 2 minutes due to exploits.
So what i’m saying is that until Anet is able to correct these exploits we will have to rely on the honor system.
My response wasn’t to you, but to the person who basically lumped all of AR as a whole, with the exploiters.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
I had a lot of fun on my Ranger last night, and got a lot of kills. The last two days I’ve joined invitations to groups from DH players, one being a commander, and have met some really good people who’re the opposition.
Nice to meet those I did, and has been a lot of fun.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
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@TheFreshBrew
What more can a person do beyond reporting?
Exploiting sucks, but unfortunately every server has them. We’re not developers, and we can not do anything else. I suppose we could scream at the top of our lungs to stop, stomp around in front of our computers proclaiming that justice be served, but what good will that do us?
Quit suggesting that an entire server is responsible for the actions of a few. You guys have your hackers, but you don’t see us blaming you for thier actions. Your actions only server to muddy up what was a good thread, for nothing.
Anet needs to fix the stuff, and they’re too slow at fixing it.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
Longbow rapid fire channels through their invisibility. Barrage is good too.
lol… Maybe if a Thief doesn’t dodge.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
You would think a SPIDER could climb the wall, or any of the BIRD PETS could fly over the wall.
I don’t have an issue with those pets getting in the keep.
However, dogs, cats, etc should not be able to get inside.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
I can recognize when something limits the amount of skill a player can have. The downed state will always favor the people with the most numbers, this is why I don’t agree with it.
And not having it favors the flavor of the month classes, and high burst classes, your point?
Ironically what you want HIGHLY benefits your class.
Again, play a Ranger, and/or Necromancer and run around with a group of non-flavor of the month classes, and do what you do now. Some classes have a lot of traits that are primarily dedicated to the downed state, Warriors, and Guardians among them.
They would have to do a lot of work to do what you want, so you can kill low levels, and undergeared toons.
I would rather the developers work on something else.
We run with a ranger often, He manages to keep up with the other classes fine. If you die to a high burst class it often your own fault, I don’t think having a safety net for bad play helps with that.
I have less than 50 deaths on my Thief, with roughly 7k kills, I just broke the 200 deaths on my Ranger, with roughly 5k kills.
You play one of the fastest, and hardest to kill classes in the game, YOU SHOULD NOT be dying hardly at all, if ever. Classes are different, and you’re playing arguably the best WvW class in the game.
Show me videos of you playing a Ranger, killing d/d Elementalists, p/d Thieves, among others, and I’ll talk to you again. Until then, it isn’t skill you’re looking for, just more easy mode play, to suit a flavor of the month build.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
I can recognize when something limits the amount of skill a player can have. The downed state will always favor the people with the most numbers, this is why I don’t agree with it.
And not having it favors the flavor of the month classes, and high burst classes, your point?
Ironically what you want HIGHLY benefits your class.
Again, play a Ranger, and/or Necromancer and run around with a group of non-flavor of the month classes, and do what you do now. Some classes have a lot of traits that are primarily dedicated to the downed state, Warriors, and Guardians among them.
They would have to do a lot of work to do what you want, so you can kill low levels, and undergeared toons.
I would rather the developers work on something else.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
Do this with all Rangers, and/or a mixture of Necromancers. <winks>
We only have 2 rangers and 1 necromancer in our guild.
It doesn’t surprise me, they’re far more challenging to play. It is why I play mine over my other toons.
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
@Bunzy
With all due respect killing undergeared, and low level players leveled to 80 does not require skill, just a class that does a lot of burst damage, or a group that can utilize combo fields, and AoE damage. MMOs are not my choice for determining the skill level of a player, but I find these games tediously easy to play. No, if you want to test your skill, in a game that can actually measure a players skill, play something like Starcraft 2.
The only way to measure skill in this game, is to advocate a situation where everyone has the same stats and abilities. Quite frankly, that would be boring. The downed state is fine. I have no issues killing anyone with it, or without it. There is a lot of other things I’d rather the developers spend their time on.
I struggle killing people.
Do that with as a Ranger, traveling with other Rangers, and/or a mixture of Necromancers, and I’ll give you props.
I play my Ranger over my Thief, Warrior, and Guardian because it is more challenging.
lol………………………. If you’re not having issues, then why make a silly thread like this?
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
Do this with all Rangers, and/or a mixture of Necromancers. <winks>
Renno – Stonegard – Aece
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer
80 Thief – 80 Warrior – 80 Guardian – 80 Ranger
80 Mesmer – 80 Necromancer