Guild Wars 2

I logged out, and probably will not log back in this week. If culling wasn’t bad enough, there is a near 3 second delay on instant cast spells if they even fire.

With my computer,

X58A-UD3R motherboard
Intel Core i7 “960” 3.2
Radeon 6850 1GB Graphics Card
6GB Super Talent Ram
Kingston HyperX 120GB SSD

and the extra I pay for a much faster internet, I shouldn’t be having issues like this.

Xsorus.2507:

P/D thieves don’t have much trouble with it, I think its the 3rd Attack (might be second) that’ll hit the root and teleport them out of it.

However I prefer Entangle in my builds because they generally have to use some sort of ability or skill to get out of it, and then if i’ve done PI and Bonfire on top of them..It’s panic inducing….

It’s biggest use though is Zerg Bombing and chasing people escaping from Zerg vs Zerg Fights…

Getting stuck for a few seconds in a zerg vs zerg fighting when being pushed = death most of the time…

It has its uses…All of our Elites really do…

It does work in the zerg. It’s a way to trap a lot of upleveled, and undergeared toons who havn’t had much practice at WvW, and watch them die a painful, but quick death. I won’t slot it running solo, or in small groups though.

nerva.7940:

Entangle is actually used as a finisher preferably after all defensive cds have been popped. Most of the time you just need those extra 2 seconds to wrap up. works on multiple opponents regardless of skill. There, you learned something today.

If I’ve got them that low, any snare will work. Why waste a long cooldown ability to finish someone off? Shortbow would be a much better choice for that.

@Ryoki

I love entangle.

My Thief can use Infiltrators Arrow, Infiltrators Strike, Shadowstep, etcetera to get out of it, my Ranger can trigger Axe offhand #5 to clear it, while remaining safe from ranged attacks that are not AE, and dodge away from the edge after clearing it in short order, my Warrior can clear is in a second with Hundred Blades, Whirling Axe, and so on, my Guardian can clear it with Whirling Wraith, among other abilities to numerous to name.

Entange is a great ability to use against newer players in WvW. Against more practiced players it is rather useless.

Sarision.6347:

Ok then how would you design the Ranger rifle? I think this is the reason why Anet did not give the rifle to the Ranger, because they have not planned it out.

Btw longbow already does single-target direct damage, so I would rather Anet improve it than making rifle the same thing.

I don’t know, the only known living Ranger; “The Indian” were very adept at using a Rifle. <grins>

There are even Rangers who seem to troll these forums, for whatever reason. It doesn’t make sense. Even though the Ranger isn’t broken, it has some pretty glaring issues, that make the class subpar to many of the other classes in the game.

The only other class that comes across weaker in WvW are Engineers. The issue though isn’t fighting a one vs one, it is group on group, or zerg on zerg play. People who play many other classes have highlighted the issues, only to be harrassed by people for no apparent reason, other than the fact they want to cause issues in threads to draw away from the fact that things need to be fixed.

This stuff happens in every MMO though. You always have a group of people who like to see things fixed, and another group of people who attack those who see reason behind a well balanced game.

We’re used to people who for whatever reason fight against balance.

capuchinseven.8395:

jkctmc.8754:

capuchinseven.8395:

jkctmc.8754:

Has anyone else used Barrage on a mass of enemies, only to be downed because they all had retaliation on them?

I stopped using Longbow after that. <laughs>

The same can be said for many, if not all classes, and not a direct fault of the longbow.

You might want to play other classes brother. I do, and I can tell you no other AoE in the game has downed me, ever.

This massive amount of misinformation is getting old.

The massive amount of anecdotal (I’ve never so it must never) misinformation you spew is getting old. Retaliation is not something that effects rangers singular when hitting a pack of enemies in WvW and all classes complain about it on the WvW forums be it AoE or not.

Did I say your point was incorrect? No.
Does it effect barrage badly? Yes.
Are we the only ones that suffer badly for it? No.

You honestly don’t know why Barrage is worse, when it comes to retaliation, do you? I’m starting to think you don’t play a Ranger, nor have you ever leveled any toon to level 80.

First, and foremost when you use Barrage, it does damage TWELVE TIMES to multiple targets, so during its duration, you can take damage from retaliation (60) SIXTY TIMES, while other AoEs trigger once, taking retaliation hits (5) FIVE TIMES.

Do you not see the difference?

loopi.7913:

I’m going to guess it will be more of a march patch

I hope not, that would kind of suck. Even if they do nothing for the Ranger, we still need a big WvW patch.

capuchinseven.8395:

jkctmc.8754:

Has anyone else used Barrage on a mass of enemies, only to be downed because they all had retaliation on them?

I stopped using Longbow after that. <laughs>

The same can be said for many, if not all classes, and not a direct fault of the longbow.

You might want to play other classes brother. I do, and I can tell you no other AoE in the game has downed me, ever.

This massive amount of misinformation is getting old.

osif.8673:

If it’s to test your skills 1v1/2v2/whatever and not just test out abilities specific to your WvW use, sPvP is an even playing field that’s suitable for that. Yes, it’s not exactly the same, but it’s similar enough that if you’re worried about people ganking a fight club it’s a viable alternative. And also, who uses racial abilities 1v1 anyway?!

Pain Inverter is probably one of the best abilities a Asuran condition Ranger can use, that could do 6k, or more damage if the person chooses not to attack for 5 seconds, unless of course they can remove a full array of conditions.

osif.8673:

Zuer.2814:

As far as the whole fight club thing goes, find a more out of the way place to do it if you don’t want people interrupting it. You’re in a PvP zone and you’re fair game. If I was heading up a group of people and I knew where one of these fight clubs was I would steamroll the kitten out of it. Everyone knows you shouldn’t talk about fight club anyways. That’s like the first rule or something. Edward Norton would be ashamed.

Haha, nice! I hear sPvP can be a good place to have duels and stuff. Don’t have to worry about people ruining it then. PAXA likes open field fights the most, away from NPCs and towers. Fight club is the perfect opportunity for that type of fight. Kashijikito, you seem like a nice enough person. Sorry that your fun is in the expense of ours, but as long as we see a fight club we’re going to join it in our own way.

Edit: You can build very similar stats with sPvP gear as your WvW gear as well. Plus you can try different specs/gear out much easier in sPvP as well.

Not entirely true, sPvP sucks because you can’t use food, racial abilities, and many other abilities are nerfed in sPvP, while you get the full effect in WvW. Not only that, but in WvW you can get a much higher bonus to crit damage, and critical hits than you can in sPvP.

Krakah.3582:

Oozo.7856:

Krakah.3582:

Oozo.7856:

Most of those people do not care about the technical aspect of why things are worse they just know that THINGS ARE WORSE.

I’m not defending Anet, but uninformed votes can’t be taken seriously.

Knowing why their gameplay experience is worse is totally irrelevant to a player saying whether their gameplay experience is better or worse.

I don’t know a lot about cars but I can certainly tell when it’s not running right.

That mind set is equivalent to complaining about your engine when all you needed was air in your tires.

Alot the problem is on the user side. Poorly maintained/low spec’d/configured machines can cause all sorts of results no amount of server/client changes will ever make better.

My machine is slow,

My X58A-UD3R motherboard sports the following;

Intel Core i7 “960” 3.2
Radeon 6850 1GB Graphics Card
6GB Super Talent Ram
Kingston HyperX 120GB SSD

what is yours?

My system is also cleaned daily by Advanced System Care 6, how about yours?

Neither were ideal.

I think people just got used to the old culling, where you could stealth a group in, and they wouldn’t render for as long as 5 seconds, while they rained death on a zerg.

Rinzler.8072:

Not a huge fan of pre-arranged 1v1 myself. Its too easy to specialize yer traits/skills/gear just for 1v1’s.

Those 1v1 specs arent nearly as effective as a solid WvW build.

Now 1v1’s that you run into the wild, those are much more meaningful. As people are more than likly using their true WvW spec/gear layout. And you aren’t limited to the small dueling area, i can have you chase me halfway accross the map and use the enviroment to my advantage (Cliffs, tunnels, blindspots, etc). I can use the enviroment to make you waste precious cooldowns, etc.

That is true, there are abilities better suited for a prearranged 1v1, though I find it easier to nail down a build when I can easily find a 1v1 without having to roam for it. Like now, I need to find a Ranger who will attack me without me attacking back so I can try a few things.

Prearranged 1v1s has also taught me to change my abilities out on the fly. If I’m running from someone for a few seconds, and turn around immediately, it is because I’m changing out my utilities, or changing weapons before I engage them. <grins>

One of the biggest things 1v1s teach me is how to recognize builds based off weapon sets. This helps me in group on group or large scale fights to know who to ignore, and who not to ignore. Who needs killing, or if I need to go defend and ally because the couple builds moving on him are going to decimate him if I don’t.

Would be cool if the February patch was mid month, but chances are it will be an end of the month patch.

Has anyone else used Barrage on a mass of enemies, only to be downed because they all had retaliation on them?

I stopped using Longbow after that. <laughs>

@Toble

I accept every one vs one ever offered to me, and I offer many of my own. I love fight clubs, and attend when possible.

That said, PAXA, and any group, or solo player contributes a lot to the WvW week.

- When a Dolyak doesn’t reach its destination, or an upgraded camp flips, the defenders on the map are working with far less supplies to do upgrades.

- When a tower flips to a small group, usually it is the Zerg that comes to take it, distracting them for a short amount of time, long enough to get through keeps, if you utilize the timing right.

- When you’re sieging a heavil fortified keep, and these small groups, or solo players are killing that keeps reinforcements, or delaying them, you get more time to take the keep with fewer defenders.

I could go on, and on about the benefits of smaller groups, and solo players, but I know you understand. I wouldn’t bust PAXA chops for doing what they do. Instead, try to be nice to them, and ask them once in awhile to put themselves at a point between your zerg, and the enemy, or ask them once in awhile to go light up a tower, so you can move in on a keep once defenders have gone to the tower.

Learn to utilize all the tools available to you.

Psybunny.8906:

• Awful dubstep&overall music choice
• Same bad opponents, so I’m guessing a “private” hotjoin match with friends/guildies?
• Mostly 2v1’ing with a babysitting D/D ele
• Random trollface&text

Yeah….overall pretty bad. Needs a lot of improvement in both quality and content.

Yeah, isn’t worth watching. Much better Warriors out there that are far, far more mature.

RummyTheMad.7290:

jkctmc.8754:

@RummyTheMad

You do realize since the invention of MMOs there has been one underlying fact that everyone who has played MMOs long enough understands? That one underlying fact is that burst wins fights.

You can not dispute something that has been proven a thousand times over, in every MMO to date. Just because GW2 has done away with the holy trinity (tank, dps, healer) doesn’t mean that one fact has been removed.

Rangers do not have burst damage, and Warriors do. Even if Warriors didn’t have burst damage, they still do more damage overtime than a Ranger could ever do, by no less than double on tanky, or support builds, to as much as three times as much damage with a damage based build.

Burst damage brings people’s health down more quickly than DoT. It’s not better, it’s faster which can make it more difficult to counter in a timely fashion. Burst relies on the target being unable to respond quickly enough, and it can therefore be extremely effective. No argument there. I’m aware of the differences, and your oversimplification of the matter is neither accurate nor true.

Regardless, I’m trying to have a discussion about damage, and you are trying to have an argument over points that I’m not even making. I’ll let you continue that endeavor solo.

No, you’re not trying to have a discussion. You’re making claims that are not even remotely true, and this entire thread is absurd. Anyone who has ever played a Warrior well knows that; There is no other class in the game that has the sustainable damage a Warrior has, and there is only one class that can match the burst damage a Warrior has, and that is the Thief.

I can’t even believe someone would try to compare the Ranger to the Warrior.

There is no other class in the game that has the sustainable damage a Warrior has, and there is only one class that can match the burst damage a Warrior has, and that is the Thief.

I can’t even believe someone would try to compare the Ranger to the Warrior.

@RummyTheMad

You do realize since the invention of MMOs there has been one underlying fact that everyone who has played MMOs long enough understands? That one underlying fact is that burst wins fights.

You can not dispute something that has been proven a thousand times over, in every MMO to date. Just because GW2 has done away with the holy trinity (tank, dps, healer) doesn’t mean that one fact has been removed.

Rangers do not have burst damage, and Warriors do. Even if Warriors didn’t have burst damage, they still do more damage overtime than a Ranger could ever do, by no less than double on tanky, or support builds, to as much as three times as much damage with a damage based build. And I am not even including the potential of Kill Shot, nor Eviscerate.

RummyTheMad.7290:

@jkctmc and Brangien – Well, I’m guessing that you just read the TLDR part, and I would encourage you to read my post in its entirety as it completely explains everything you are refuting in your posts.

You guys are still arguing raw damage, and I certainly don’t disagree that a warrior hits for more damage per hit. But so what? If none of those big hits actually connect, then our theoretical warrior’s net DPS is 0. It doesn’t matter how big the individual hits are. Get it?

I have a fully geared level 80 warrior in addition to my ranger (engi, guardian, and thief too btw), so I’m familiar with what the class is capable of in terms of damage. Regardless of how much damage a warrior can pump out, I can control a fight far more effectively on my ranger, and I seldom lose to anyone that doesn’t play well – including warriors. Especially warriors actually.

So, if warriors simply “do more damage,” and that’s all that matters, how does anyone ever beat them? How has anyone ever killed your warrior? Warriors consistently have more armor and a larger health pool too, so they should have to do less damage over the course of a fight to beat a ranger than a ranger has to do to beat them… How is it that anyone is able to beat warriors 1v1?

I stand by my point because it’s true. Net DPS is the only thing that matters in the grand scheme. You can argue against it all you want, but reality dictates that I’m right.

That’s just it, I have never died to a Ranger at all, ever in this game on any of my 5 fully geared 80s, and I attend fight clubs every chance I get.

How are you not hitting with your Warrior? I have zero issues hitting with my Warrior, and our Warriors have the same tools the Ranger has, without the need of a pet to use some of those tools. I can virtually move enough to avoid both the Rangers Shortbow attacks, and Longbow attacks, and with swifted movement, I can dodge all melee pets, easily. I havn’t tried it because the damage you receive from axes is so miniscule, the need to dodge it, or out-run it hasn’t presented itself. But I’m pretty sure you can also out-run main-hand axe too. For the troll factor, and a nice giggle, I’ve kited Rangers before.

I mean really, how in the world do you die to a Ranger? The only way to die to a Ranger would be a lack of knowledge about this game, and its mechanics.

Reality does not dictate that you are right, because it is not reality. I’m irritated they put in paid transfers because I’ve dueled dozens of people on these forums who believed they were right, until I showed them, they are not. Your theorycrafting does not work in practice, even though it sounds good on paper.

The Warrior is the most complete class in this game, and what they bring to a group, as I mentioned above supercedes anything a Ranger can do.

So, I take a day off to party and watch football, and you guys let the other thread get locked? How dare you!!

Yeah when I fight other Rangers, and they’re using melee pets, I never get hit by the pet because I know to always move. If the pet somehow gets close, I know they used Sick-em, so I root/stun/snare the pet, and they just wasted a utility.

Even worse, with the increased speed to arrows for both the Longbow, and Shortbow, you can still out-run arrows, which leaves you axes for range. Axes are a hinderance sometimes because of the massive amount of mobs in WvW, and Axes really do horrible damage.

This leaves melee, which isn’t bad, just not up to par with the other professions.

I do a lot of fight club type stuff, and duel a lot of players from many servers when we’ve faced them. I’ve seen the bad players, and the good players. There is no way in heck a good player could ever die to a Ranger. I’ve never had a Ranger that could kill any of my toons including my Ranger.

Even though we have our trolls who visit the Ranger forums, I have no doubt the class will get a string of fixes, and many who left the Ranger profession, will venture back to it. At this point I am praying the February update has several changes in it that help.

@Chopps

Please label it correctly. I don’t want to forget how to play the Ranger because I read a training session written by you.

azizul.8469:

mesmer in a zerg usually function as a support class, well, at least that’s the way i play it. glamour confusion field ftw !

Doomdesire.9365:

Oh please, zerg fights are pure AoE spam. Thieves and mesmers would be dead meat. Stealth and clones don’t do too much when everywhere you’re standing is in a meteor shower. All the classes you mentioned are roaming, duelist classes, which the exception of a elementalist.

Mesmers are Zerg busters if spec’d right. The AE Confusion Mesmer can do a lot of damage to a Zerg.

Evilzara.6378:

jkctmc.8754:

Evilzara.6378:

jkctmc.8754:

Going to take my wife to dinner since none of Sekz will accept my one vs one. Funny seeing you guys zerg the forums claiming to be good, but not willing to back it up, knowing you’re not.

Get good, then we can talk.

It doesn’t matter who’s better at 1v1’s. SekZ is more fun and coordinated than SoS will ever be. Also, quite a name you’re building for yourself and your guild, “Omg 1v1 me, I’m the best, you guys suck!”.

You have a short memory.

Evilzara.6378:

SOS, I’m starting to like you guys better. Good coordinated little group you guys have.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/1-25-BP-AR-NSP/page/3

No where there have I said that you’re greater than SekZ. I take back what I said, you ruined all respect I ever had for SoS. Good work.

Considering who you are, and your history that isn’t saying much.

What exactly does Sekz do, that no one else can’t?

In this tier.

The best zerg on zerg guild goes out to GOAT, or maybe OS on the opposite side. They actually do something, and face other zergs bigger than them, rather than run until they outnumber their opponents. SoS isn’t a zerg guild, but when we field 15+ we can do some serious damage. We were the first in this tier to do 10 man golem runs that reset an entire map, we were the first to start holding the enemies Hills, until we all had to sleep. GOAT is the only guild to ever take Hills from SoS.

The best small group of opponents we face who has stayed in this tier, has been PAXA. Passing through the best has been a GoM guild, NEWL or something, and AD.

autumnsigh.7512:

jkctmc.8754:

Going to take my wife to dinner…

jkctmc.8754:

You have a short memory.

Lol. Aren’t you supposed to be at dinner? Or did YOU forget you were taking her?

She’s getting ready.

Evilzara.6378:

jkctmc.8754:

Going to take my wife to dinner since none of Sekz will accept my one vs one. Funny seeing you guys zerg the forums claiming to be good, but not willing to back it up, knowing you’re not.

Get good, then we can talk.

It doesn’t matter who’s better at 1v1’s. SekZ is more fun and coordinated than SoS will ever be. Also, quite a name you’re building for yourself and your guild, “Omg 1v1 me, I’m the best, you guys suck!”.

You have a short memory.

Evilzara.6378:

SOS, I’m starting to like you guys better. Good coordinated little group you guys have.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/1-25-BP-AR-NSP/page/3

Going to take my wife to dinner since none of Sekz will accept my one vs one. Funny seeing you guys zerg the forums claiming to be good, but not willing to back it up, knowing you’re not.

Get good, then we can talk.

autumnsigh.7512:

jkctmc.8754:

This is how good Sekz is. They hide behind siege, when their opponents have the outmanned buff. As a Ranger I scored 22 kills (count my stacks) on these really bad zerg players before they stopped coming out of the tower.

lol….. Sekz is not good.

Nice. You took a screenshot when we were taking a break two weeks ago. We should make you the photographer for our family pictures.

How did you know I owned my own photography business?

I love how Sekz zergs the forums too. I guess when you’re bad at the game on an individual level, and can’t win anything worth mentioning in game, you have the forums to zerg.

itohead.2749:

…wait, was that during our bathroom/dinner break? Calm down, I guess I would be fairly upset too if I got smashed a million times in wvw.

No Sekz member has ever killed any of my toons. You’ll get good enough one day to leave the zerg.

This is how good Sekz is. They hide behind siege, when their opponents have the outmanned buff. As a Ranger I scored 22 kills (count my stacks) on these really bad zerg players before they stopped coming out of the tower.

lol….. Sekz is not good.

CrowndClown.1702:

jkctmc.8754:

erigais.6805:

jkctmc.8754:

itohead.2749:

[SoS]?……oh you mean this guild me and 5 other dudes just wiped?

That’s cool, 5 green upleveled arrows doing Karma runs. You can see the green uparrows clear as day in your screenshot. You’re good. <laughs hysterically>

Seriously? I could have killed an upleveled group fighting a camp, solo.

Friend me so we can duel when I’m on.

lol your clan full of bads??? hahahaahaha. that fact your fighting so hard for 1v1s shows your guild got 0 wvw coordination. no wonder you guys trying to hard to make a name for yourselvs off of us. im gonna give you some free pro-tips. picking off people in zerker gear thieves makes you bad in wvw. if its not a team build your doing it wrong.

You’re so good, you are afraid of fighting me 1v1?

In my screenshot of picking you off, I’m a Ranger, not a Thief in zerker gear. That makes you guys horribly bad. Just because you can play follow the leader, doesn’t make you good.

You guys travel with 20+ most of the time becuase you’re scared, and you have never SEEN a SoS full 80s group of players, ever.

Fixed it for you.

Now you’re just lying. You havn’t seen a SoS group of 80s? Let me refresh your memory. Ten of us chased the entire Sekz zerg off Hills twice last night before I logged.

itohead.2749:

jkctmc.8754:

erigais.6805:

jkctmc.8754:

itohead.2749:

[SoS]?……oh you mean this guild me and 5 other dudes just wiped?

That’s cool, 5 green upleveled arrows doing Karma runs. You can see the green uparrows clear as day in your screenshot. You’re good. <laughs hysterically>

Seriously? I could have killed an upleveled group fighting a camp, solo.

Friend me so we can duel when I’m on.

lol your clan full of bads??? hahahaahaha. that fact your fighting so hard for 1v1s shows your guild got 0 wvw coordination. no wonder you guys trying to hard to make a name for yourselvs off of us. im gonna give you some free pro-tips. picking off people in zerker gear thieves makes you bad in wvw. if its not a team build your doing it wrong.

You’re so good, you are afraid of fighting me 1v1?

In my screenshot of picking you off, I’m a Ranger, not a Thief in zerker gear. That makes you guys horribly bad. Just because you can play follow the leader, doesn’t make you good.

dude, I’ll 1v1 you in a game of Apples to Apples.

Not sure what you mean by Apples to Apples, but friend me so we can duel when I’m logged on.

erigais.6805:

jkctmc.8754:

itohead.2749:

[SoS]?……oh you mean this guild me and 5 other dudes just wiped?

That’s cool, 5 green upleveled arrows doing Karma runs. You can see the green uparrows clear as day in your screenshot. You’re good. <laughs hysterically>

Seriously? I could have killed an upleveled group fighting a camp, solo.

Friend me so we can duel when I’m on.

lol your clan full of bads??? hahahaahaha. that fact your fighting so hard for 1v1s shows your guild got 0 wvw coordination. no wonder you guys trying to hard to make a name for yourselvs off of us. im gonna give you some free pro-tips. picking off people in zerker gear thieves makes you bad in wvw. if its not a team build your doing it wrong.

You’re so good, you are afraid of fighting me 1v1?

In my screenshot of picking you off, I’m a Ranger, not a Thief in zerker gear. That makes you guys horribly bad. I got 22 kills off of you guys, before you got scared and kept your guild zerg under the cover of siege for protection, and wouldn’t leave the tower. Just because you can play follow the leader, doesn’t make you good.

You guys travel with 20+ most of the time becuase you’re scared, and you have never beat a SoS full 80s group of players, ever.

itohead.2749:

[SoS]?……oh you mean this guild me and 5 other dudes just wiped?

That’s cool, 6 green upleveled arrows doing Karma runs with 1 80 to tank for them. You can see the green uparrows clear as day in your screenshot. That’s probably the level 7 group that was bored, and decided to make new toons. You’re good. <laughs hysterically>

Seriously? I could have killed an upleveled group fighting a camp, solo. You have at least 10 green dots in that screenshot in your minimap. Zerg more please.

Friend me so we can duel when I’m on.

erigais.6805:

i dunno guys… alot of you are talking big like “yeh we kill sekz all da time” but i can count on one hand the number of times we wiped in 2 weeks. sure we dont win all the time but lol.. come on guys.. SoS guild…? i didnt even recognize the tag small son. i.e. your probably a bad that gets wiped like rest.

You’re lying, if you don’t recognize [SoS} Syndicate of Shadows.

That alone proves a lot. lol……………………………..

Friend me, and we can get some one on ones going when i can log in the game.

The number 5 attack of offhand axe server multiple purposes, especially if you are traited for Off-hand Training; "Offhand skills have a longer range and 20% quicker recharge. ".

- If you’re fighting a Thief, and they stealth, it can cause a situation where they have to take an extra wide circle around you, to get in a good backstab, or take damage while moving into you, for that backstab. This sets up several stacks of vulnerability too, while they’re being hit, so when they do come out of stealth, you are doing more damage to them.

- This can also be used to flush a Thief out of his Shadow Refuge, as it covers virtually the entire circle.

- Fighting a Pistol/Dagger Thief, this will allow you a reprieve when you need it, as it blocks, and reflects all missile attacks.

- Mesmers are annoying, and this can rip through illusions, sometimes killing those that come in, when they are commanded to shatter.

Axe mainhand gives you access to the best defensive ability in the game, if you’re not fighting a critical hit build, and that is Weakness. The synergy between Weakness, and a Rangers Protection is huge. If Shortbow wasn’t so great for cutting down Guardians, and D/D Elementalists, I’d probably run Axe+Axe, and Axe+Torch all the time.

capuchinseven.8395:

jkctmc.8754:

capuchinseven.8395:

jkctmc.8754:

You insulted me first, or did you forget? You can’t play the passive aggressive card when you’re made out to be wrong.

That didn’t happen. I think you’re arguing with so many people you’ve forgotten who is who. I did tell you I didn’t believe you expect us to take that video as any sort of proof for anything, that’s not an insult.

If I did insult you, I apologize and feel free to point out where, but I didn’t insult you so this point is redundant and this thread is derailed.

I’m out.

Yes, you did insult me.

capuchinseven.8395:

Don’t like thieves? Don’t play class cannon.

What’s that? It wasn’t friendly, and it was a very poor assumption. Thanks for the apology.

You’re kidding me? THAT is a personal insult? Okay you’re reaching now, you know you messed up and had to scrabble to find something you could call insulting, I’m out, this is silly.

So making an assumption that I was complaining about Thieves, without taking the time to put that post in context, with the original post, and then making the assumption that I’m a noob, and would run a glass canon build isn’t an insult?

Wow. So much for the apology, you can’t even admit when you are wrong.

capuchinseven.8395:

jkctmc.8754:

You insulted me first, or did you forget? You can’t play the passive aggressive card when you’re made out to be wrong.

That didn’t happen. I think you’re arguing with so many people you’ve forgotten who is who. I did tell you I didn’t believe you expect us to take that video as any sort of proof for anything, that’s not an insult.

If I did insult you, I apologize and feel free to point out where, but I didn’t insult you so this point is redundant and this thread is derailed.

I’m out.

Yes, you did insult me.

capuchinseven.8395:

Don’t like thieves? Don’t play class cannon.

What’s that? It wasn’t friendly, and it was a very poor assumption. Thanks for the apology.

erigais.6805:

jkctmc.8754:

osif.8673:

It’s good to see some Sekz hate going down. Congrats guys, looks like you’ve destroyed enough zergs to make them cry about it! I can only imagine how mad those BP and AR zergs that you steamrolled feel when pressing #1 and backpedaling doesn’t win them the fight.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone complain about Sekz. Usually there is a call out to where Sekz is, and for people to go get their free badges. Sekz definately isn’t the best guild in this tier, as is claimed.

k, who is better? have them come kill us cuz we getting bored with most of your zergs tbh.

Most of my Zergs? haha…………. I run solo most of the time, but when I run with my guild, SoS, we school you guys. Once in awhile you’ve got the drop on us, when you’ve outnumbered us, and forced us to retreat.

Here is a screenshot of me, outmanned, within easy range for Sekz to come play with me, after I got a PuG group who was defending a nearby camp to lure you guys out multiple times, and I was killing those in the rear.

Notice my class (not a Thief), notice my stacks (all Sekz kills), and notice the guild name, a guild who has rolled you countless times. I’ll welcome any evidence that actually shows you guys being better. lol………

You guys stopped leaving the safety of your siege, all because one lonely Ranger was getting kills off your massive group. There had to have been 30 Sekz in that group.

Last night you got pushed off Hills, TWICE with fewer than 10 people.

capuchinseven.8395:

jkctmc.8754:

@trollcapuchinseven

How does someone with such a make believe education make such a mistake as to believe I was complaining about Thieves, when me and the other person was discussing something else??

Stopped here, my MSc in computer science and exo-geology have what to do with the ranger class? And I’m the troll, ha!

Just so we’re clear, your video is flawed, making your point about thief damage and ranger damage flawed.

I think it’s best if you and I no longer talk in this thread, it’s pointless to the thread where you think personal insults will get under my skin. Your PM’s are at best comically bad at intimidating so you clearly can’t talk there either.

You insulted me first, or did you forget? You can’t play the passive aggressive card when you’re made out to be wrong. The best thing you could do, is admit your mistake, and apologize. But far be it for me to expect a discussion with an adult on a game forums.

My PM is meant to allow you the chance to back up your claims, if you’re not talking out of your rear.

capuchinseven.8395:

jkctmc.8754:

Zenith.7301:

Are you seriously linking a wvw video of a thief pwning upleveled people who don’t care to even stunbreak or dodge the moment the first spike hits?

The mesmer in the first few seconds only did 1/5 of the thief’s health — a proper glass cannon mesmer easily cuts a d/d thief’s health in half with a 6-7k whirl, and a shatter alone will bring a thief down to 10-20% health. The mesmer didn’t even try to Blurred Frenzy the steal combo.

You should probably watch all of his videos, and pause them on the initial damage because it is obviously too fast for you to see what is really going on. You do know if I apply an immobilize to you, while you are stunned that Lightning Reflexes will bug out, and do nothing, therefore you’re left with only one other stun breaker, as a Ranger. Not many builds use that stunbreaker.

No Thief should ever lose to a Ranger.

Good luck with that teeny tiny immobilize vs my Runes of Melandru and Lemongrass soup and Signet of Renewal.

Hell, even if all those points above don’t effect the immobilize condition GS block and/or serpent strike (which still evades when immobile) depending on which I have active at the time.

Or did you only fight rangers that didn’t know serpent strike can still be used to evade while they are immobile because a normal evade doesn’t work?

I LOVE thieves that immobilize before attacking, they play right into my build.

Your last sentence is an epic failure. You don’t immobilize before attacking, you do so while attacking. And you act as if WvW is a vacuum, and that everything happens perfectly.

You’re one of those Rangers I love to prey on, and I have never lost to a single Ranger, ever, on any of my toons including playing my very own Ranger. Anyone who claims to be remotely good at this game isn’t going to lose to a Ranger, period.

I love sword Rangers, they jump around expecting their pets to do the work for them, when in fact a good player will rarely, if ever get hit by the pet, and an even smarter player will burst the pet out in seconds, praying you instantly switch pets so that they can kill the second one two, leaving them with what, a 45 second window to kill you while you do minimal damage?

Or are you going to lie and say you can kill without your pet?

@trollcapuchinseven

How does someone with such a make believe education make such a mistake as to believe I was complaining about Thieves, when me and the other person was discussing something else?

Since you still have no idea what was going on, I’ll explain it. I was discussing what I, (you know what that simple, one letter word means right) can do on my other toons, one of those being my Thief. The person I was responding too did not believe it was possible, so I provided evidence that it was. This same person then decides facts, and proof of those facts didn’t matter, and that he would make up his own facts.

Then you step in, commenting on something completely off the wall, and not in direct relation to what we were discussing.

You claim to know the class enough, that you appear to support the trolls who say there are no issues, and that those of us who see the issues, and believe they need fixed just can not play the class, yet you don’t seem to know the class enough to make such a claim. If you can’t beat better players, how can you expect better players to take your claims seriously?

osif.8673:

It’s good to see some Sekz hate going down. Congrats guys, looks like you’ve destroyed enough zergs to make them cry about it! I can only imagine how mad those BP and AR zergs that you steamrolled feel when pressing #1 and backpedaling doesn’t win them the fight.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone complain about Sekz. Usually there is a call out to where Sekz is, and for people to go get their free badges. Sekz definately isn’t the best guild in this tier, as is claimed.

Zenith.7301:

Are you seriously linking a wvw video of a thief pwning upleveled people who don’t care to even stunbreak or dodge the moment the first spike hits?

The mesmer in the first few seconds only did 1/5 of the thief’s health — a proper glass cannon mesmer easily cuts a d/d thief’s health in half with a 6-7k whirl, and a shatter alone will bring a thief down to 10-20% health. The mesmer didn’t even try to Blurred Frenzy the steal combo.

You should probably watch all of his videos, and pause them on the initial damage because it is obviously too fast for you to see what is really going on. You do know if I apply an immobilize to you, while you are stunned that Lightning Reflexes will bug out, and do nothing, therefore you’re left with only one other stun breaker, as a Ranger. Not many builds use that stunbreaker.

No Thief should ever lose to a Ranger.

capuchinseven.8395:

jkctmc.8754:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3mrVp1_c9g

I literally don’t believe you expect us to take a video where people don’t stun break seriously. He can hit me for 13k if he wants, I have 17k health minimum in WvW as well as lightening reflexes and a sword or great sword escape leap with a pet swap frenzy boosted cast of TU coupled with my ability to react fast.

The only way that guy is beating me is if everything is on cooldown, or he uses culling which isn’t a ranger fail or a thief skill win, it’s an Anet fail.

Don’t like thieves? Don’t play class cannon.

You obviously can not read, or you choose not to. Now go read what sparked this particular conversation you quoted, and realize the mistake you made.

I play a Thief, and I run a bunker/BM build on my Ranger brother, and I have never complained about a Thief. I was showing that we Thieves were capable of doing a lot more damage than a Ranger.

That said, you know Lightning Reflexes is bugged right, and if I also use a venom that immobilizes you, it will not cure the stun.

Go get an education, or actually get good at one class in this game instead of spewing dumb stuff.

Not even the pet will know you’re there until it is too late.

Jazenn.7526:

jkctmc.8754:

Jazenn.7526:

jkctmc.8754:

@Jazenn

Do you feel your Ranger is on par with other classes, if so how? I havn’t played the Engineer yet, though fighting them I feel they’re weaker than the Ranger. I havn’t played the Necromancer, but seeing one in a group work their Wells, it is a sight to see, especially paired with two Elementalists in the group. Although out of the other classes I chose to gear up in Exotics, they all play way better than my Ranger under most circumstances, but most importantly groups. My Ranger brings very little to a group. My other toons however bring a lot to the group, such as;

Warrior – Much better damage (easily twice as much), faster revives on downed players, perma Swiftness, perma Fury, Perma Regen, Perma 3 stacks of Might, 10% bonus damage to crit hits, and the list could go on.

Guardian – Better damage (easily 50% more damage), pulsing group regen, access denying abilities (blocks a lot of damage to friendlies), a variety of boons, condition cures for the entire group, and the list could go on.

Mesmer – Much better damage (easily twice as much), Staff build allows me to transfer all boons on me, to my entire group (amazing combined with Chaos Storm and Chaos Armor), SEVERAL COMBO FIELDS to improve the groups damage, Null Field, stealth for the entire group, or a portal to surprise your foes, and the list could go on.

Thief – Special Note: I do not like the Thief in PvE, but WvW they add; Much better damage (easily three times as much, potentially four times as much), stealth for the entire group to surprise your foes, the best scouting ability in the game, and the list isn’t really big for the Thief, but the damage more than makes up for their lack of utility in a group.

Oh god, I don’t want to have to post something like that again right now, I’m starting to get lazier with my posts arguing the same thing. I’ll just say: jack of all trades. Besides that, you are highly underestimating the ranger. You think a thief can kill something 4 times over before a ranger can kill it once? kitten I’m not a master of classes but I know that ain’t true. Each class might be best at whatever but the ranger can do it all.

Too much knowledge for you? I told you, you were only trolling. The only thing a Ranger can do, another class can’t is provide a permanent pet. The other classes provide the same things; better. To be a jack of all trades means you provide a larger variety of abilities the other classes do not.

I’ve hit for 9k on my Thief, in one hit, against a bunker Guardian. How long would it take you to match that single hit? Right before that hit, I delivered a 5k Cloak and Dagger. How long would it take for you to deliver that 5k damage? In less than 4 seconds I’ve dropped a Bunker Warrior with over 23k health. You wouldn’t have killed him in 20 seconds.

My buddy has a video (I’ll have to see if he still has it up on youtube) of him killing a Bunker Guardian in less than 3 seconds. It was something like 2.5 seconds. You obviously know very little about this game.

Here, educate yourself….

This is an average damage spec.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE_Nf8h5R-g

Over 9k hits in sPvP. In WvW we can get much higher critical hit damage. This person would have hit for 12k easy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO3Su2tTch4

Not too much knowledge, I just don’t care to throw around empty stats that are either exaggerations or not all possible at once. You may have burst, but that is different from DPS. In 2.5 seconds, you can achieve a hit over 4 times as much as a ranger’s hit. In a minute, add up the damage, and no, you can’t put out 4 times as much. If you can, then go ahead and put of a video of a thief full damage spec and a ranger full damage spec. Make them both fight golems in Heart of the Mists, the easiest testing grounds. If the thief takes out 4 times as many golems within the minute, then you are right.

When you call it exaggerations, with videos in the post to show you they are not you lose all credibility, and then become a liar. It’s there for you to see, just watch the last video.

We’re talking WORLD VS WORLD HERE, not hitting dummies for hours that don’t hit back. Burst wins in WvW, and when a fight ends in a few seconds, it doesn’t matter what you could have done; if you didn’t die.

lol…………………. Had you not killed me, I could still be doing damage. <falls over laughing>

How is this an exaggeration?

This guy opens up with a 13k crit, a build I want to learn because he doubles MY THIEVES DAMAGE. Watch at 1 min 40ish seconds, he delivers two 9k crits on a Ranger.