Guild Wars 2

My Mesmer is perfectly fine.

Mesmers are fine. My Confusion build still kills, it just takes literally one to two seconds longer to kill people in a 1v1 situation, and instead of a few Mesmers killing a Zerg, now it takes up to six to kill the Zerg.

I can not comment on the Elementalist because it is one of the few classes I havn’t played.

Thieves have a new toy to play with that is actually fun, and counters bunker/boon builds rather well, but loses to other builds just like a pecking order should. I switched to this new build on my Thief, and I am enjoying it.

All in all the top three classes seem to have remained, well at least for the good players who actually know how to play them. I play two of the three, the Thief, and the Mesmer and I’m having fun on them, and still feel the power.

However the best thing to happen this patch was breaking up the Zerg for now, until they get smart enough to counter Arrow Carts with long ranged siege, and counter siege tactics. Until then the zerg will just bellyache because they now have to use better tactics.

Yay for the arrow cart.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Zenith.7301:

I’d love to see some documentation for these results. If you’re running with warriors who stack vulnerability for you, why would you run warhorn anyways?

Mostly for the fury. You only need one warrior for all the banners, so if you have a warhorn ranger you can get fury to permanent uptime without having to do the banner pickup trick or having to burn Warbanner before a fight. It’s not like there’s a whole lot else the ranger needs from his offhand, anyway. You can take dagger if you want, but it’s only really for the extra evade. Otherwise burn will be taken care of by your guardian and vulnerability can be handled by your engineer, assuming you have one.

I will post detailed calculations later if you are interested, but I was on my way out for now, so it’ll have to wait just a bit.

If you have a Warrior running banners, a Warrior can keep a minute of Fury, Swiftness, and 3 stacks of Might. If they spec heavy in banners, and pick up the banner heal/regen, they can also put 1 minute of regen on you too.

No need to provide Fury for yourself, when the Warrior can do it so much easier.

DevonCarver.5370:

We are not planning on adding a new currency to handle Ascended items in WvW.

We’ve waited to long as it is. My 300 man guild has quit, and I’ve been trying to hold out until you guys spend more time focusing on WvW, instead of PvE all the time, and I’m done.

I can not wait any longer.

This only encourages the roaming zerg action, and as you can tell the zerg runners are absolutely happy with this change.

Durzlla.6295:

Aridia.3042:

monepipi.5160:

You forgot rangers and traited LB is the ONLY player attack capable of hitting at 1800 1500 range. That is majorly huge in WvW.

Fixed that for ya. And no, other classes have 1500 skills also.

No, he’s right, it’s 1800, buffed up to almost 2k when on wall shooting someone off the wall (arrows gain range when you’re higher up just like in GW1), barrage is the only skill that doesn’t increase.

You’re wrong, but I don’t have the energy to mess with you theorycrafting people today. This was tested, and shown to be wrong, but you still spout off the nonsense.

Yep I’m done with this game, and I see Chopps is confused on who to troll first.

Durzlla.6295:

Indoles.1467:

I hit 2k condition damage the other day (buffed). Burns were ticking for about 850. I prefer the self proclaimed op ascended gear +condi +tough +vit +prec (very small amount of precision) as it makes you and insane tank while dishing out the highest condi damage.

They have that O.o?!? I know what armor set I’m going for!!

Oh noes, I might have to actually PvE so I can switch my gear. O.O

I hate PvE. <sad face>

Ugg, I just spent 130g to gear out my wifes toons, and another 90g to gear out one of my sons Thief, and Warrior to try and get them to play again.

Wish you could sell accounts in this game like in Everquest 2, would love to try an Engineer without having to level another 80s. <sad face>

Fox.3562:

Why did you think I’d be interested in hearing your familys life story? I don’t care that all you do is roam, so don’t complain that I’m playing the objective.

hahahahahahah!!!!

That’s the internet for you. Any difference in opinion is labeled as complaining, without regard to the real definition, which anyone can read from the dictionary. Too funny, keep it up. You’re making my 14 hour work day go by much, much faster.

<golf clap>

I like coffee sweetened with hot cocoa, & spiced with southern comfort, you like tea time with others.. I like boxing, you like fake wrestling. To each their own. <winks> You’re a riot. Give me some more.

Fox.3562:

jkctmc.8754:

Archer.1658:

jkctmc.8754:

This is so funny. I can’t help but laugh at the carebear attitudes here. You guys complain about Kalkz bragging about PvDoor, yet you’re bragging about fighting Guards, while taking the easy road that requires very little fighting.

And to think, you guys always say you want open world fighting, yet you’re pulling stunts like this? hah!!!!!!!!!!

What has the PvP community come to over the years? <sadface>

I so miss the old days of PvP. This new player base is just not the quality of player you would expect after 20 years of PvP history for online gaming. It seems they’re more interested in trolling, which is so 1995.

This has to be the product of World of Warcraft.

Just mad because you cant pvguard like us. I can teach you though, 5g for lessons~

How many times do I have to sweep you under the rug, before you quit trying to goad me? <smiles>

I’ve been there, done that, it was humorous at best, but not remotely fun. I have never, nor will I ever support, or do anything that does not involve fighting other players. Hell, I PAY my children to harvest for me in most games, or pay for them to craft for me, if I need something like that. If I come up to a keep/tower and there are no defenders, I leave looking for fights.

If the carebear route is more to your liking, that is YOUR business. But like I tell my children; “If you do not like the attention you get from the actions you take, do not do it”. It’s really simple.

I love how you use the old; “umad” response, when you have nothing to contribute to your argument. I expect such a silly response from a grade schooler, who hasn’t had the opportunity to learn yet, and utilize a better structure of arguments. <winks>

I love insults as much as the next guy, but at least put some effort into it, so it is fun, rather than boring.

You’re into child labor and zerging, I’m into fight clubs and high stakes hide-and-seek. If sweeping your keeps isn’t your thing, go back to running with the zerg. I’m sure there won’t be any Mesmers in your keeps anyway.

Wow, you couldn’t be more wrong. I solo 99% of my time, rarely ever joining the zerg. I was one of the first and few Rangers to ever run solo on a regular basis before the Ranger got a 25% runspeed. As far as I know, I’m the only Necromancer who ever runs solo. When I leveled my Mesmer, I laughed at how easy mode the class was, and went back to the Ranger, and Necromancer. I’m glad you enjoy your Mesmer. <grins> Seriously, if you’re ok with fighting guards, so be it. I’m into fighting players, and I attend fight clubs too when I’m not extremely busy and they’re being hosted during my free time.

Don’t be jealous that I pay my children for doing things, they enjoy, and show them love others like yourself lack. <winks> We’re a gaming family, with a house that sports 7 desktops, three laptops, on top of the Xbox, and Playstation. My oldest boy competes competitively in SC2, and LoL, and wins money at it, so save me your; “I can hide in a keep, and avoid PvP, and flip keeps nonsense”. I’m not impressed.

I’m PvP first, and always will be PvP first and avoid any kind of PvE at all cost, including PvDoor, and your precious fights with guards you want to brag about. <laughs> I’m sorry it bothers you that I avoid this kind of non-PvP and choose not to support it. I’m only here biding my time, and taking a break from playing SC2, LoL, and waiting for a real PvP game to surface that brings back the old PvP atmosphere, which I hope “Camelot Unchained" will give the older PvP community the challenges we deserve.

Like I tell my children; “If you do not like the attention you get from the actions you take, there is a simple solution. Avoid doing those actions.” You can mail me 10 gold for that life lesson.

Any way, I just found it comical you guys complain about the Kalkz PvPdoor train, and would brag about something like this, when it actually avoids the PvPdoor, and allows you to fight guards only. It’s hilariously hypocritical of you, and I found it humorous on a boring day of work. Even more-so, you trying to qualify your antics made for a good laugh. Thanks.

ExpiredLifetime.1083:

jkctmc.8754:

@ExpiredLifetime

Is that what you wanted to see?

The Ranger does not have Burst really, with any weapon. Only with their pets.

Seeing that you finally decided to read the original post, and respond inline with the thread instead of trying to pick a fight via PMs?
Yes, I am relieved now, and I think I might be able to sleep since the angst has subsided.

The OP also said he doesn’t know what class he wants to play, and wants to match the Aion Ranger. He can not possibly do that with the GW2 Ranger, therefore I was pointing him in the direction he would rather go.

@ExpiredLifetime

Is that what you wanted to see?

The Ranger does not have Burst really, with any weapon. Only with their pets.

Naro.6327:

Is it possible to go bow-crit ranger and be effective in PvP?

— In sPvP there are some strong Longbow builds, utilizing the pig/wolf pets. These work great under that form of play, which has nerfed many classes, which allows for success with different Ranger builds.
— In WvW any build works in the Zerg, but not every build utilized with Zergs is viable.
— In WvW solo, or in a small group you do not want to be caught with the Longbow, it’s equal to being caught with your pants down. You’ll get destroyed frequently.
— In Dungeons you really need to talk with Chopps or other PvE Rangers. I do not PvE at all.

Naro.6327:

I want to do tons of damage from a range, (if anyone has played Aion thats exactly what im looking for in a ranger).

My wife played the Ranger in Aion, and the Ranger in Guildwars 2 could never survive the Aion Ranger, even, and probably couldn’t ever kill the Aion Ranger. If you want something similar, you need to play the HGH Engineer build.

Naro.6327:

Also whats the diffrence in shortbows and longbows? Thanks in advance!

Shortbow does faster attacks, and if you strafe (you only need to be slightly to the side of your target) the shortbow applies a bleed per attack. This only improves on the shortbows sustained damage. Defensive wise, if five people get in melee of the Longbow, you can knock one back, while the other four destroy you. If you are equipped with a Shortbow, you can jump backwards, which works very well with other utilities, and weapons the Ranger has, that can get you out of trouble.

The biggest issue with the Longbow is getting the “obstructed” text, and that at 1500 range (if traited), can be avoided easily with 25% run speed, which most classes have.

ExpiredLifetime.1083:

Forzani.2584:

Actual testing to support an opinion is highly discouraged here jkctmc. You should know better than that.

Hyperbole and theorycraft >>actual in game experience …obviously.

Since people have yet to seem to understand it, there is a difference in spike (burst) damage, and sustained damage.

As I’ve stated elsewhere, the long bow has the strength in the fact that it delivers more damage in a single shot at range than anything else does; that in and of itself has its uses.

If you’re talking Ranger only weapons, you’d be incorrect in the fact that unless you’re attacking a target standing still, virtually every class has access to 25% runspeed, and CAN EASILY AVOID THE LONGBOW SHOT, without dodging. A Beastmaster spec would do much more damage at more range with a stealthed Panther.

If you’re talking all weapons in the game, the Engineer grenade spec does more damage at 1500 range, and does not suffer the issue of obstruction that the Longbow suffers.

ExpiredLifetime.1083:

Fighting in a zerg? Find the wounded targets that are preoccupied and have lower health, then pop them with a couple of auto attacks. Chances are high that they’re either going to run away, or they’re going to die.

Either way you’ve removed a body from the fight, further pushing the odds in the favor of your side.

Not only can my Panther with 30 in Beastmastery do this better, and gets through the Zerg stealthed, he can also destroy siege while I’m at a much safer range, while you can not.

30 Beastmastery is by far better than 30 in Marksmanship.

Our Short Sword is our best damage, but…

Methodology:

All tests were done in the Mists on the medium armor practice golem with no sigils on the weapons and full runes of the eagle on my armor. The long bow tests were done at maximum traited range with rapid fire being used after the third autoattack. Pets were placed on passive and no boons were on the player. the build used in all examples was http://gw2skills.net...KyWkrIZRLLGVs/A . The times to kill are an averaged amount of time after 5 kills I realize this was a small data sample, but did not want to invest more time.

Beserkers:

Longbow: Attack: 3,119 Crit: 54% 53 damage•Front: 11.2 seconds

•Flanked: 10.68 seconds
Short bow: Attack: 3,039 Crit: 54% 53 Damage•Front: 11.4 seconds

•Flanked: 9.34 seconds
Longbow at 750 range:•Front: 17.8 seconds

Knights (less dps, 6k more hp):

Longbow: Attack: 2,765 Crit: 54%; 33 damage•Front: 15.16 seconds
Shortbow: Attack: 2,685 Crit: 54%; 33 Damage•Front: 14.8 seconds

Conclusions:1.At the optimal distance the longbow with rapid fire off of cooldown deals essentially the exact same amount of damage as the short bow when the target is not flanked. Flanking pull the short bow ahead because of bleeding ( I maintained a 7 bleed stack from auto-attack.)

2.At a distance of 750 the short bow’s dps is around 75% more than the longbows, again not factoring bleeding or proc on crit abilities.

Short bow condition Vs. Power and Precision

Another debate I hear alot is that shortbow does more DPS when specced for condition and vice versa so I ran some tests for that as well. DPS Calcs for Beserker’s, Rampager’s, and Carrion. All sets include short bow with superior sigil of Earth. For the runs with traps I used spike trap, then fame trap, then AA until target died.

Beserker’s:

Short bow: Attack: 3,039 Crit: 54% 53 Damage•Flanked: 9.34 seconds

•Traps: 8.08
Rampager’s:

Shortbow: Attack: 2,445 Crit: 68%; 33 damage•Flanked: 8.84 seconds

•Traps: 7.72 seconds

•Front: 16.88 seconds (STILL better than longbow at max range!)
Carrion: (for Carrion the crit chance as only 24% so I swapped to runes of undead and sigil of agony)

Short bow: Attack:
•Front: 20.1 seconds (worst dps of any spec I tried.)

•Flanked: 8.68 seconds

•Traps: 7.34 seconds

Conclusions:
When taps are off CD and the enemy is flanked Carrion provides the best dps. However when traps are not off CD and the enemy can not be flanked carrion is the worst DPS of any spec. In my opinion from a purley dps perspective beserkers IS the highest damage for rangers, as it can be reliably applied from any direction and does not rely on CDs. The difference between beserkers and carrion under ideal circumstances in carrion’s favor is 0.74 in favor of Carrion. When those circumstances are not met it is 8.7 seconds in favor of beserker’s. The results, I feel, are self explanatory.

ExpiredLifetime.1083:

Kiran.2705:

Bows are bad. Short bow is ok, but just ok. The ranger’s only really good weapons are sword and greatsword. Kiss your dreams of being a longbow marksman goodbye and put them in a tiny vault and throw them into the ocean.

Uh, no. I’m afraid you’re wrong there.

The burst potential of the Long Bow is better than anything else that the ranger has, and its sustained DPS isn’t half bad either. Rangers also have one of – if not the – longest effective ranges in the game when traited for it at 1500 units. By using the terrain to your advantage, you can actually extend the range past that point due to the natural arc of an arrow.
Combine that with piercing shots, along with proper shot placement for maximum effect, and you have the ability to put quite a bit of hurt on people quite a distance away.

Due to the way ranged attacks work in general, you’re never going to win a 1v1 fight with someone at extreme range; however, if you’re dealing with zerg tactics (as most WvW fights go), you can sit back and farm your kills up.

Pick your targets and pick your fights; oh and don’t forget your greatsword/sword, you’re going to need it if someone tries to close in on you.

So much misinformation here. First, and foremost the Engineer’s grenades can reach to 1500 range, if traited as well, and never suffers line of sight issues, like the longbow does. At 1500 range, if I have 25% runspeed, I can dodge, and outrun your arrows 100% of the time, and 60% of the time at 1100 range.

Thieves, HGH Engineers, Warriors, Shatter Mesmers, and even the Necromancer for 30 seconds in Lich Form has a better burst, than the Ranger, so much so some of them burst three times as much damage.

I will not even get into the teleports that move you 1200 range, putting you in the Rangers face, where you have plenty of time to kill them before the pet figures out what happens.

Quit spreading false information, and play the other classes.

AeriaElara.4297:

WvW is hardly PvP.

How do you figure? Open world, and realm vs realm was around long before the carebear that is structured PvP, that has to be nerfed down to a state that the majority of the populace can compete.

Archer.1658:

jkctmc.8754:

This is so funny. I can’t help but laugh at the carebear attitudes here. You guys complain about Kalkz bragging about PvDoor, yet you’re bragging about fighting Guards, while taking the easy road that requires very little fighting.

And to think, you guys always say you want open world fighting, yet you’re pulling stunts like this? hah!!!!!!!!!!

What has the PvP community come to over the years? <sadface>

I so miss the old days of PvP. This new player base is just not the quality of player you would expect after 20 years of PvP history for online gaming. It seems they’re more interested in trolling, which is so 1995.

This has to be the product of World of Warcraft.

Just mad because you cant pvguard like us. I can teach you though, 5g for lessons~

How many times do I have to sweep you under the rug, before you quit trying to goad me? <smiles>

I’ve been there, done that, it was humorous at best, but not remotely fun. I have never, nor will I ever support, or do anything that does not involve fighting other players. Hell, I PAY my children to harvest for me in most games, or pay for them to craft for me, if I need something like that. If I come up to a keep/tower and there are no defenders, I leave looking for fights.

If the carebear route is more to your liking, that is YOUR business. But like I tell my children; “If you do not like the attention you get from the actions you take, do not do it”. It’s really simple.

I love how you use the old; “umad” response, when you have nothing to contribute to your argument. I expect such a silly response from a grade schooler, who hasn’t had the opportunity to learn yet, and utilize a better structure of arguments. <winks>

I love insults as much as the next guy, but at least put some effort into it, so it is fun, rather than boring.

I likes it, I really likes it.

Daemon.4295:

jkctmc.8754:

In all honesty all new players should run Faux build. He designed an awesome healing/tankish/beastmaster build.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Faux-s-RRR-Build-Detailed/first

Why would any new player want a tank / healing build?? You have tens of thousands of mobs to slay from lvl 1 to lvl 79 and hardly any of them pose a threat to you, it would be silly to run anything other than a build that kills as many mobs as possible, as quickly as possible. You can always respec once you’re big enough for dungeons or wvw, or if you just get bored and want to try something new. If I was rolling a new ranger, the only debate in my mind would be whether to go Berserker or Rampager.

You do realize any tanky beastmaster build will kill faster, with little to no downtime, far better than any other build in the game, IF you’re fighting in open world PvE, right? Especially if you’re using the drakes.

This will also allow them to be completely familiar with the build once they enter WvW, which is the most important aspect of any game for newer players hoping to one day PvP.

This is so funny. I can’t help but laugh at the carebear attitudes here. You guys complain about Kalkz bragging about PvDoor, yet you’re bragging about fighting Guards, while taking the easy road that requires very little fighting.

And to think, you guys always say you want open world fighting, yet you’re pulling stunts like this? hah!!!!!!!!!!

What has the PvP community come to over the years? <sadface>

I so miss the old days of PvP. This new player base is just not the quality of player you would expect after 20 years of PvP history for online gaming. It seems they’re more interested in trolling, which is so 1995.

This has to be the product of World of Warcraft.

The first keep I took hiding my Mesmer inside was humorous at best, but wasn’t remotely fun. If you want to fight doors, or guards that is your business. I’m not going to be sweeping a keep, running in circles playing hide and seek like some five year old, when I can be doing what I enjoy. I’ll be out there fighting players, doing actual player vs player.

I’m glad you’re happy fighting guards. <thumbs up> Good job. So forgive me, I just do not like PvE. <grins>

You’ve got BP bragging about fighting doors, now Ebay bragging about fighting guards. <sigh> What has the PvP community come to? I must be getting old, because I miss the good old days where we fought player vs player, and never found ways to avoid fights. Though I also miss the days of looting others corpses too, so………………………….

Quarktastic.1027:

jkctmc.8754:

In all honesty all new players should run Faux build. He designed an awesome healing/tankish/beastmaster build.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Faux-s-RRR-Build-Detailed/first

I’m sure it works fine in WvW, but in PvE, it will be dreadfully boring to play. Not to mention, it’s downright useless in dungeons.

You’ll never die, but once the boss instagibs your pet, you’ll never kill anything either.

In open world PvE, the pet will kill fast, but no I wouldn’t use it in dungeons.

ItIsFinished.9462:

Durzlla.6295:

I always love seeing warriors getting ready to kill shot when I’m on my staff ele, my Mesmer, my engi, or my ranger while using axe/axe… So essentially everything I play! Oh reflect how I LOVE you…

I seriously think I chuckle everytime I see a warrior get on one knee….

This is why I kill shot people engaged with someone else, never anyone facing me. <winks>

Nerfed or not, I still hit regularly for over 20k, unless they’re insanely tanky, and it’s roughly 13k.

In all honesty all new players should run Faux build. He designed an awesome healing/tankish/beastmaster build.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Faux-s-RRR-Build-Detailed/first

Durzlla.6295:

@JK I have no issues killing bursty profs with my ranger, granted I’m one of those people that builds to outlast which kinda counters burst…

Oh yeah, lich form is amazing.

I can’t kill Lich Form before it kills me, I’d like to see a video of someone doing it.

Most of the time I just run away, and come back once it has run its course. I can kill burst builds all the time too, but I know a few players with burst builds that beat me virtually every time, and I have yet to see them lose a single fight at the fight clubs I attend.

There is a far cry difference in killing the average player, and a more practiced player. All things being equal, burst wins out most of the time, with a few exceptions of course. I think what helps with people like me playing burst, is I had to learn how to kill players, most importantly tanks, with healers backing them. Once you learn how to do that, this game, with zero healers makes killing, easy.

stale.9785:

The AI from GW1 was, in every possible aspect, better than GW2. I have no clue why they changed it, but they should (if possible) recycle the code from GW1.

Pets hit, pretty much anything you aimed at, they would get to and connect. Minions would hit, almost without fail.

I would sacrifice a goat on Anet’s front lawn to get the flag system and AI from GW1 for this game. Heck, I’d go as high as two goats and a bull.

I don’t understand how pets are worse in GW2, than they were in GW1.

Durzlla.6295:

Can people stop saying “well my thief can do X damage in a burst!” Well no kittening kitten the prof ANET said, is the best bursting prof and they want to keep them best at burst, will deal better burst than us.

It’s like saying, “oh yeah? My necro is better at condi control than your <insert prof here>”

This is very important because it has been an undeniable fact in PvP, in any game, burst kills people better than sustained damage. That’s just a fact, and the burstiest classes tend to fair better than all other classes.

This is why these classes are nerfed big time for sPvP, and why they do so well in WvW because they’re not nerfed.

And a glass cannon Necromancer can outburst all classes but the Thief, for 30 seconds, every 180 seconds.

Oberon Vex

You do know that at 1500 range, you don’t need to dodge arrows, and can still outrun them with 25% run speed, right?

In fact, you can still outrun the longbow down to 1100, with 25% runspeed.

Even after changes.

Anxiety.6143:

On reset BURN was in Borlis Pass, and some other 10man groups here and there. We ran straight to hills, Anvil NEVER showed up, not even on reset, AR never showed up until hours after reset.

AR went to BP after BP came and took stuff AFTER we got it back from Ebay.

Why the double standards?

Reset night we were mostly fighting an Ebay army that had a queue in our borderlands. The screenshot provided is a fight for Garrison, that went back and forth for quite awhile.

Anxiety.6143:

AR claiming to be better, and owning BP,

You need to look at signatures more often. AR isn’t saying this, it is Ebay players saying this. <laughs>

Kalkz.5297:

Priceless words here – " We will see as soon as ebay leave this tier you will see lol" -

I know whats gonna happen, im gonna own my SM all day everyday

And still take third, not understanding why.

SM is a resource hog, and unless you’ve got the numbers Ebay, or any server with like numbers, or more, you just pretty much throw the game for focusing so much energy on SM. The lower tiers have learned this, even though some choose to hold it, even though they lose.

Keep SM, we’ll keep enough pressure on it, so that you have to defend it, while we take everything else. <winks>

Mike.3742:

It’s $14.99 a month for entertainment in the world I live in $14.99 gets you two redbull vodkas. The game lacks this and that blah blah. The people who designed the game are trying to make money not give you or me free stuff. I don’t know about everyone else but the cabin and jet skis my family had weren’t pulled out of or you know what. We paid for our entertainment. Isn’t there a old saying you get what you pay for? Maybe paying a small fee will get the dev team to produce ten times more content. Nothing is FREE.

League of Legends is a free game, and is much, much better than Guildwars 2. Online gaming is virtually the only product you can buy, and not get your time/money back if you decide it wasn’t worth it.

Every other industry will go to great lengths to make you happy, so they do not lose money.

Anxiety.6143:

All I have to say to AR, is keeping milking Ehmry’s pushes, they’re doing the work for you, yea Ehmry want’s BP outta the tier, not because we’re better, because we have earlier a.m. crews putting a damper in their plans to advance up a tier, Hence why our BL’s has been getting owned these past 2 weeks.. Just keep talking the talk, we’ll see how good you are once Ehmry gets outta the tier and it’s BP and AR…

Until then, I’m not astonished by anything AR does, and all these transfers your talking about? Name them?

Just an FYI.. when AR and BP were a tier lower we had Dkz and GOAT which pulled great numbers, were great groups. They have vanished, so we are still @ a cripple.

Keep talking AR, we’ll see how it winds up when it’s AR – BP – (non-ehmry)

It’s funny really. When Ebay, and BP are in ARBL, you guys act all tough, and stuff, no complaints. This happens every reset night, and throughout the week. When it does and both servers are focusing AR, you guys never complain, neither does AR (we secretly enjoy having both servers in our borderlands). However, when AR and Ebay happen to be in BPBL, you guys kick and scream the entire time.

BP has twice the numbers AR has, so even with a higher population you guys still do not see your faults. You guys are poor winners, and you guys are poor losers. You guys really make for a poor matchup, regardless.

Why the double standards?

Pestilence.3184:

jkctmc.8754:

Pestilence.3184:

Tetra Bug.7134:

You keep pointing to the past, well, how about now? The only time I’m ever worried about a BP group is when you get the drop on us or we are massively outnumbered. We got better fighting you guys, and BP has not adapted at all.

yeah? say that to the fools who rolled up on the BP once ebay hit your map some thinking they could take what they liked…. got beat and left by less numbers AGAIN. We will see as soon as ebay leave this tier you will see lol

Every server has had this happen to their PuGs.

What’s going to change? You already claim victory, and skill when both ebay, and BP race up ARBL reset night, and anytime AR is hitting BP the same time Ebay does, you cry foul. Anytime AR does anything, we’re accused of playing for second.

You’ll do the same thing regardless of who the third server is. We’ve heard this since the game has released.

your accused of playing for second cause your own commanders admitted to play for second

You realize that is only sarcasm, to make fun of you right?

Handin.4032:

lLobo.7960:

Before nerf one or two mesmers could take down a zerg…
Now you can take the zerg halfway down and leave the other half for a hammer warrior (boon hate + SoM) to have fun too…

There you go, everyone can help, everyone gets bags… much more fun…

If one mesmer could actually kill an entire zerg…you have an issue. Most of the damage I get from my glamour fields are actually from the feedback reflects. I, as a single mesmer, can only stack high confusion on a single target basis. It is quite funny when I throw a feedback on a stacked zerg, and they stand there shooting while in the feedback!

Now, I agree that confusion needed a slight nerf, and people, they didn’t reduce the TOTAL damage by 50%, they just nerfed the efficiency. 15 stacks of confusion can still deal ~3k per tick. The issue in my mind is that it doesn’t act like all the other conditions when it comes to scaling, damage, duration, etc, and yet they try to balance it against the other conditions.

Not any single Mesmer can, but throw in 4 Glamour Mesmers who use portal on the stairs, creating two fields from portal from each Mesmer for players to go through, along with having 1 Epidemic Necro spreading larger stacks of Confusion in an AE every 10 seconds, and you’ve got a single group that can kill an entire zerg as they’re coming up the stairs, easily.

I’ve done it with my Mesmer, and I know more of the bigger guilds are beginning to utilize this tactic as well.

Put 4 Mesmers, 1 Necro in a group, and utilize two Arrow Carts with Leg Specialist, and no amount of players could ever make it through a choke point, or up stairs, and will die in groups of 5-10, virtually instantly.

It’s silly, and that is why we use it, until they fix it.

Pestilence.3184:

Tetra Bug.7134:

You keep pointing to the past, well, how about now? The only time I’m ever worried about a BP group is when you get the drop on us or we are massively outnumbered. We got better fighting you guys, and BP has not adapted at all.

yeah? say that to the fools who rolled up on the BP once ebay hit your map some thinking they could take what they liked…. got beat and left by less numbers AGAIN. We will see as soon as ebay leave this tier you will see lol

Every server has had this happen to their PuGs.

What’s going to change? You already claim victory, and skill when both ebay, and BP race up ARBL reset night, and anytime AR is hitting BP the same time Ebay does, you cry foul. Anytime AR does anything, we’re accused of playing for second.

You’ll do the same thing regardless of who the third server is. We’ve heard this since the game has released.

They’re lucky I’m playing now. I’m only playing now so that I feel like I got my moneys worth, from my purchase of the game.

I don’t understand why so many games have released since 2000, with so many bugs.

I want to love the game, but at this point, I can’t.

Kalkz.5297:

jkctmc.8754:

Pestilence.3184:

Kronos Zek.9715:

testpig.5018:

wow, i used to think Sekz had some stand up players.. very mistaken.

I wonder if Rekz is just gonna transfer up another tier again to finally be able to move up.

I love how Zerg servers think they are winning because of skill instead of just mass numbers. =P

#newsflash

I can count all the good BP players on 1 hand, your server isn’t that great should just go down a tier so I don’t have to look at your masses of zerg babies anymore. #realtalk

i think your deluded lol, are you saying that from between EBAYS legs?? or they still holding your hand whilst you say this???

we beat you hands down for months shut up you have JACK to say with out earning it and AR just havent earned crap, remember the beating you guys got from the tier below for months??? the second ebay get out of this tier OR stop focusing us we will make you eat those words. If we drop we drop we will be back! and its not you dropping us its EBAY.

You beat AR for months after getting over 100 transfers until you finally went up a tier, lost your first match, and those 100 transfers left for another server, and you dropped down a tier. Sadly you still outnumber AR, yet havn’t learned how to do anything but zerg, zerg, zerg.

Until you got those transfers, BP was always in third behind AR. Some of your transfers came from AR in the earlier state of the game.

Your server has been in third place more often than you have been in second, and first place, COMBINED. The only reason you have second, and first place wins is because you got transfers, just like Kain got transfers. The difference between Kain, and BP is that Kain had better players, and could take their transfers to tier TWO, while BPs transfers had to suffer a loss once they went up A SINGLE tier and had to jump ship.

With the size of population Borlis Pass has, they should be able to protect both Eternal Battlegrounds, and BPBL, and still gain property to come ahead in points, but you’re lucky if you can protect a single keep if the opposition attacks with equal numbers.

BP Beat AR by transfers ???

Are you kittening sucking kidding me ?

You DO KNOW that we lost 2 huge guilds when we dropped to tier 6 and had to play against you for 10 times and won 9 of them

we lost Krew. over 400+ members went to DB
WaR. 80 skillful group to Maguuma
Pugs, we lost a lot of pugs & followers due having 2 big guilds trasnferring pugs morale went down.

Why were you always in third place, behind AR, until the transfers?

Your excuses back then was, our PvE crew is now playing WvW. This was when the first AR alliance broke up, and half of them transferred off AR, many to BP just so they could fight against AR.. <winks>

The funny thing was, you guys had no clue you were fighting alongside people you were fighting against a week prior. And no one said otherwise because it was absolutely funny to see you guys say your PvE crew was now doing WvW. We knew then that we could not believe anything from BP. The first time BP got out of third place was because you had AR players transfering to BP, to fight AR players. After that other servers falling down in tiers because of transfers starting transfering to BP, like transfers from NSP, and such.

Just like every server you guys have faced, everyone has also had to deal with your against the ToS tactics, though you still fight tooth and nail that you do not use these tactics for getting into keeps/towers.

Fox.3562:

Hey Anvil Rock, you Missed A Spot. Again.

I would becareful with this dead Mesmer trick. They’ve acknowledged they’re fixing it, and the last time they did that with a tactic (thief perma stealth in keeps) people started to get banned until it was fixed.

Not complaining (this is the internet after all), just giving you a heads up.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Is-this-mechanism-intended/first#post1911116

Pestilence.3184:

Kronos Zek.9715:

testpig.5018:

wow, i used to think Sekz had some stand up players.. very mistaken.

I wonder if Rekz is just gonna transfer up another tier again to finally be able to move up.

I love how Zerg servers think they are winning because of skill instead of just mass numbers. =P

#newsflash

I can count all the good BP players on 1 hand, your server isn’t that great should just go down a tier so I don’t have to look at your masses of zerg babies anymore. #realtalk

i think your deluded lol, are you saying that from between EBAYS legs?? or they still holding your hand whilst you say this???

we beat you hands down for months shut up you have JACK to say with out earning it and AR just havent earned crap, remember the beating you guys got from the tier below for months??? the second ebay get out of this tier OR stop focusing us we will make you eat those words. If we drop we drop we will be back! and its not you dropping us its EBAY.

You beat AR for months after getting over 100 transfers until you finally went up a tier, lost your first match, and those 100 transfers left for another server, and you dropped down a tier. Sadly you still outnumber AR, yet havn’t learned how to do anything but zerg, zerg, zerg.

Until you got those transfers, BP was always in third behind AR. Some of your transfers came from AR in the earlier state of the game.

Your server has been in third place more often than you have been in second, and first place, COMBINED. The only reason you have second, and first place wins is because you got transfers, just like Kain got transfers. The difference between Kain, and BP is that Kain had better players, and could take their transfers to tier TWO, while BPs transfers had to suffer a loss once they went up A SINGLE tier and had to jump ship.

With the size of population Borlis Pass has, they should be able to protect both Eternal Battlegrounds, and BPBL, and still gain property to come ahead in points, but you’re lucky if you can protect a single keep if the opposition attacks with equal numbers.

Flinch.8061:

Fox.3562:

Come to a fight club every once and a while. I’m always down to duel =)

The fights in the keep proved enough for me. Have fun with your overinflated ego though, Looked like you had hella fun spamming Combo finishers for 20 minutes.

As an AR player Flinch, next time keep them busy, and call out in chat for someone like me who can actually kill Thieves in stealth. As long as you’re chasing, and keeping that mesmer dead, or busy, they can’t bring others in the keep.

Lyonell.1753:

jkctmc.8754:

Blackhat.4016:

Tbh I wouldn’t expect any huge AI improvements soon. AI programming is one of the most difficult parts when it comes to any kind of programming. It will take a lot of time to improve the current situation.

Yet this is the worst AI of any game when it comes to pets. Even games released in the mid 90s had better AI. There is no legit excuse for this, in 2013. Especially considering they’ve got another game under their belt.

Wrong, games in the early 90’s had simple AI’s that tell the creature attack or stay. Since the games were mostly based on hack and slash over and over with no real effects to take into consideration creating the AI for said creatures required close to no programming. If you take mid age games like WoW you will notice that all they did was make the pet pretty much a second character thus over powering the pet using bow using class.

Minions do not even have an attack, stay, let alone the ability to attack most of the time. The Ranger pets are generally slow, stop to use an attack, rooting them in place, or generally act buggy.

I would love to have the old AI at least, for all pets in this game.

naphack.9346:

can you guys stop referring to these 30k kill shots? They were mostly caused by bugs with the piercing trait which have been fixed like 3-4 months ago already.

I just hit 24k yesterday, and someone from my guild hit 26k.

I think BP has been in third place more than it has been in second, or first place combined. At least you’re consistent.

You have a lot of work ahead of you if you think you’re top damage.

Over 30k Volley, in sPvP, where Warriors can not get as high crit damage.

A 33k Kill Shot in WvW.

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/31306/33k_KS_Base_logo.jpg

I would kill this build 100 out of 100 times on all my toons, including my Warrior & Ranger.

And you wouldn’t get me to half health most of the time. What good is this amount of power, which is less than what my Warrior has, and less than a HGH Engineer, when you can’t live long enough to use it?

When I played a Rifle Warrior for the <shats and giggles> I would often hit with Kill Shot for over 20k, to multiple targets. There is a video of another Warrior doing 22k-25k one shot killing multiple targets doing even more damage than I could squeeze out, even scoring the occasional 30k shot. Wish I could find it.

Your damage is weak, and it is laughable you think a 10k chain is a lot of damage when a Warrior can regularly double that with Hundred Blades, if traited for it. I was doing 18k to as much as 26k with Volley.

So you found a way to outdamage a Guardian, without the ability to kill them. Congrats I suppose.

Manekk.6981:

Xsorus.2507:

Someone tested it and I believe its 1.2k DPS or so from the pets.

You also don’t use them to hide behind, It’d be like going all Spirits on your ranger to “hide” behind things… Only you invested Multiple points into making them good.

a Minion Mancer is basically giving up a lot of utility and other abilities for something that doesn’t actually work.

Alright so it’s a substantial amount of damage anyway, I only just made one a few days ago I haven’t a clue what the minions did.

As for the hiding well might not be intentional but it actually works out that way sometimes atleast it takes a split second extra to find him, it can get pretty confusing if you lose your target when there are a few guys fighting 25 minions don’t make it better

O.O

The minions look absolutely nothing like the Necromancer. How in the world are you confused?

Blackhat.4016:

Tbh I wouldn’t expect any huge AI improvements soon. AI programming is one of the most difficult parts when it comes to any kind of programming. It will take a lot of time to improve the current situation.

Yet this is the worst AI of any game when it comes to pets. Even games released in the mid 90s had better AI. There is no legit excuse for this, in 2013. Especially considering they’ve got another game under their belt.