Guild Wars 2

Something I find odd is the massive amount of upleveled players this week. As you notice in my screenshot, I am on a newly level 10. I did that because all day Saturday, I was seeing a lot of upleveled players from all three servers, and I didn’t want to feel left out. <grins>

Oozo.7856:

jkctmc.8754:

Oozo.7856:

And, where is the 3 Mesmer 3 necro thing coming from? Who is doing that in the mid-tiers?

In short; “I’m not sure, but they should be running it”.

I’m originally from HoD pre-release when we were untouchable. That’s exactly what my group of people ran on a regular basis, and quite frankly it was silly seeing how potent it was. I know you’ve been on the receiving end of high stacks of confusion, you made a; “nerf this” thread about it.

I had a group of people I convinced to play GW2, who ended up quitting because of stupid queue times, and the glaring reality that GW2 was not ready for the eSport scene. They all went back to play competitively in the games they made a little bit of money in like SC2, LoL, and a couple FPS games.

So being stuck alone, and solo I transfered to Anvil Rock so I didn’t have to deal with the queue times.

I didn’t start that thread on confusion, I participated in it. The discussion was about GF/ECHO. I’m not sure why you are bringing up things that they don’t do. They don’t do 25 stack confusion bombs. The most I’ve seen them stack confusion to is 8 on an initial hit. They are not running a full confusion bombing group (they run a fairly balanced group), so why even bring it up?

From my experience, with 10-15vN fights heavy-hitting direct damage has been more effective than trying to set up a confusion spread. Yes, a confusion spread is devastating when you execute it but it’s harder to setup and not as reliable as a direct damage bomb, IMO.

I think confusion is much better (and probably too good) in smaller scale fights like a 5v5. It’s just not reliable enough for fights against 15+.

We’ll have to agree to disagree then. I thought AD wasn’t on Ebay?

Dr Acula.3496:

jkctmc.8754:

Oozo.7856:

And, where is the 3 Mesmer 3 necro thing coming from? Who is doing that in the mid-tiers?

In short; “I’m not sure, but they should be running it”.

I’m originally from HoD pre-release when we were untouchable. That’s exactly what my group of people ran on a regular basis, and quite frankly it was silly seeing how potent it was. I know you’ve been on the receiving end of high stacks of confusion, you made a; “nerf this” thread about it.

I had a group of people I convinced to play GW2, who ended up quitting because of stupid queue times, and the glaring reality that GW2 was not ready for the eSport scene. They all went back to play competitively in the games they made a little bit of money in like SC2, LoL, and a couple FPS games.

So being stuck alone, and solo I transfered to Anvil Rock so I didn’t have to deal with the queue times.

Yeah! I used to play HoD during beta and after release too. Once Titan Alliance. fell apart though… I bounced around like 8 different servers until landing on Ebay

Where did most of them go? I left before the alliance broke up, when queue times were like five, or six hours.

Oozo.7856:

And, where is the 3 Mesmer 3 necro thing coming from? Who is doing that in the mid-tiers?

In short; “I’m not sure, but they should be running it”.

I’m originally from HoD pre-release when we were untouchable. That’s exactly what my group of people ran on a regular basis, and quite frankly it was silly seeing how potent it was. I know you’ve been on the receiving end of high stacks of confusion, you made a; “nerf this” thread about it.

I had a group of people I convinced to play GW2, who ended up quitting because of stupid queue times, and the glaring reality that GW2 was not ready for the eSport scene. They all went back to play competitively in the games they made a little bit of money in like SC2, LoL, and a couple FPS games.

So being stuck alone, and solo I transfered to Anvil Rock so I didn’t have to deal with the queue times.

Oozo.7856:

jkctmc.8754:

Oozo.7856:

Kodiack.2783:

Archer.1658:

Definitely on drugs. Here’s 10 people wiping WAR’s 30 man at briar. Note there was more at the gate pvgating, but we got them too, no need to worry!

Archer.1658:

Yeah, I admit we did get wiped by WAR and BURN a few times, but we had significantly less numbers, as stated we were running around 10..

So which is it? Your 10 man rocks vs greater odds or it sux vs greater odds. You brag and make an excuse when it suits you. Oh wait, this must be a WvW thread…

-K

Anyone who runs small groups <15 will admit to losing to larger numbers in the game. That’s not uncommon. But, they also beat those larger numbers quite often which is far more noteworthy than being beat by larger numbers.

A premade group of 15 who coordinates conditions on one target, more important 25 stacks of Confusion, so the Necro(s) can spread that massive amount of conditions including those 25 stacks of confusion which will do 9k and more per action to those unfortunate enough to get hit by it, SHOULD beat a pick up zerg not designed to counter such things.

A 15 man group doing this with 3 or more Necro’s doing this is beast, and nothing to brag about. Now if that 15 man group encountered another 15 man group equally designed to do the same things, and wins, I’d brag about it.

Though running up to the Champion worm solo, throwing Epidemic and watching the bags pile up as I solo an entire raid was probably the most comical things I’ve ever done.

And what about the times when a 10-15 man beats 25+ from the same guild? And, where is the 3 Mesmer 3 necro thing coming from? Who is doing that in the mid-tiers?

Nobody that we’ve run across.

Also, epidemic has a cap of 5 effected IIRC. I don’t think you can solo a raid with a single person using epidemic, but if you said it happened it happened I guess. :P

I’m not the only Necro who has done it, go read the Necro forums. Someone even had a video of doing it at one point in time.

Mayhap early on there wasn’t a cap? Could also have been a bug with NPC Champions/Veterans in WvW. I havn’t tried it for months. It has always been a very buggy spell, like many of the Necromancer abilities.

At one pont Epidemic had infinite range..
•Epidemic: This skill no longer has infinite range.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Update-Notes-1-October-2012

.. and could be used without line of sight, which I havn’t seen any patch notes fix it yet, but havn’t used it in awhile either.

Kiliaan.1934:

jkctmc.8754:

When you scroll out that far on the minimap, like in that screenshot, you can hide all sorts of things, as evident in my screenshot.

Notice visually you can’t see all 25 even though there are gold swords, and on the minimap, you can’t see any dots at all?

I am confused about the point you are trying to make. Are you just generally trying to educate people about culling and the mini map? Or are you saying a BP Zerg of 25+ did NOT go down to a 10 man, and through the usage of clever mini map perspectives and culling and hidden siege in the tower to help us we have fabricated this story and screenshot to boost our egos and demoralize BP?

Not sure why you feel a need to debunk this if that is what you are getting at, this is not some miracle, we do this type of thing all night long it is literallly the purpose of our guild in wvw. I am certain you could find instances of a well coordinated team destroying zergs from ebay.

I admit sir creator of the universe has an ego on him(this is not news), but in that instance it pretty much happened just like it looks.

If it helps you to know, about 20 minutes later that same group of 25+ took us by surprise and rolled right over the top of us at the entrance to bay.

Hmm… I thought I was stating that screenshots are not a good source of evidence. As far as I can tell, I’ll have to go back and read, I didn’t make any other claims. My evidence of support was my screenshot where if it wasn’t for culling you could see more than 25 players, but if you look at the minimap, you see no dots at all.

I thought it was a universal given in any gaming forum that screenshots were trash when it came proof of anything. I guess I was mistaken. <winks>

Luzano.6983:

Solid group of AR in EB BL just now. Was lol-ing at the ninja tower when BP showed up with their breakout of 25+ to steal it away from you guys. Too much lag on my end to do much about you guys but at least I downed your thief once :]. Cheers!

PS. to the BP that destroyed my Troll Treb in Ruins :[[[[[[[[[[[

Eternal battlegrounds has been laggy like that the last two weeks, and I’m not sure why.

Dr Acula.3496:

Pestilence.3184:

Dr Acula.3496:

Pestilence.3184:

Archer.1658:

Meh Reset night is fun, was amazing loot bag fest from BP. Wave after wave BURN and WAR just never learned, but that’s ok you guys got us a few times as well. As for AR, lol, you guys are worse than BP in the open field. If fighting BP makes me feel like a god, then fighting AR makes me feel like the creator of the dam universe it’s that easy.

ZOMG you craaaazzzyyy…… that farm fest swung both ways i enjoyed wiping you over and over and over and over at every attempt you tried to get hills but alas it got early for me here in the uk and so i logged…. you guys never really learnt either with your small army of confusion mesmers that was the only REAL threat you threw at us the rest was just plain boring bouncing off my gaurdian. you tell a good TALE but thats all it is a TALE…

Awwww, It’s okay to be upset little buddy! I mean it must be embarrassing to get kitten on by a group 1/4th your size. Maybe next time things will work out for you!

what ever your smoking mate i want some of it lol. 1/4 our size thats ROFL copter funny!!! i had 30 guys MAX to your what 60… yeah you tell your self that between WAR and us we PUNISHED you over and over lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUk_Napyias

yep… that’s our roaring 60 man zerg of destruction right there….

I was hoping you got it on video 9:30ish central Saturday night when Anvil Rock took ARBL Hills back, and you guys fought us with even numbers inside the lord room. <sad Panda>

Was a hell of a fight, the hallway was BRUTAL.

Gothahm.6274:

jkctmc.8754:

Supposedly next patch we’ll have more stuff to spend them on.

Sweet!

I just hope they deliver on that.

KStudios.2850:

jkctmc.8754:

KStudios.2850:

erigais.6805:

KStudios.2850:

And don’t get mad cause you don’t have any [Sekz]. We’re liking ours. =D

Speaking of [Sekz], the head of [SLVR]‘s R&D Department (that thief with the wonky build) loves running with you guys. A copliment of sorts I guess. He doesn’t often run with many outside the guild.

ah yeah, hes is a really good player too, one of the few thieves we’ve seen running a really solid build.

Faux Sheaux.6179:

jkctmc.8754:

Wow, Ebay has a pretty good sized night crew.

We’re still mostly Americans who just don’t like to sleep :P

You’re kitten right! I sleep all of 4-5 hours a day, split between two naps. The unfortunate side effect being that sleeplessness accumulates. Resulting in a catastrophic 10-14 hour crash about once a week or so… usually on the couch, recliner, bean bag chair… Sometimes mid-game if we’re winning hard enough.

Thanks to the years I worked construction I average four hours a night. I wish I could have a crash night/day where I slept 10-14 hours, instead I get that day where I sleep roughly 6 hours, and spend the rest of the day with no energy, moping around like a zombie.

You’re one of the naturals then! Wouldn’t complain there, some of us work hard at it. I genuinely hate sleep. I consider it a complete and utter waste of time. The majority of people spend 1/3 of their lives doing it, often wasting said life only being awake anywhere from 14-16 hours a day. Needless to say, I like my 20 hour days very much.

As for the crash, I mean to emphasize the “catastrophic” in that lol. Think of it kind of like when your computer decides to go ahead force shut-down to download updates, despite that you ordered it to delay; but in a bodily sense. Hence it tends to just happen and I’m pretty much just left on whichever random piece of furniture it does occur. My spouse has given up trying to reason/compromise on the subject, lmao.

Ok, I take that back. I don’t want to crash like that. O.O

That’s crazy man. Like you, I really hate sleeping. I usually chalk it up to, too much coffee, but in reality I think it is just normal for me. My doctor told me not to worrry about it that I don’t really need 8 hours of sleep, so I’m cool with it.

I have to stay away from stuff like Ginseng though, it keeps me up for DAYS!!

Oozo.7856:

Kodiack.2783:

Archer.1658:

Definitely on drugs. Here’s 10 people wiping WAR’s 30 man at briar. Note there was more at the gate pvgating, but we got them too, no need to worry!

Archer.1658:

Yeah, I admit we did get wiped by WAR and BURN a few times, but we had significantly less numbers, as stated we were running around 10..

So which is it? Your 10 man rocks vs greater odds or it sux vs greater odds. You brag and make an excuse when it suits you. Oh wait, this must be a WvW thread…

-K

Anyone who runs small groups <15 will admit to losing to larger numbers in the game. That’s not uncommon. But, they also beat those larger numbers quite often which is far more noteworthy than being beat by larger numbers.

A premade group of 15 who coordinates conditions on one target, more important 25 stacks of Confusion, so the Necro(s) can spread that massive amount of conditions including those 25 stacks of confusion which will do 9k and more per action to those unfortunate enough to get hit by it, SHOULD beat a pick up zerg not designed to counter such things.

A 15 man group doing this with 3 or more Necro’s doing this is beast, and nothing to brag about. Now if that 15 man group encountered another 15 man group equally designed to do the same things, and wins, I’d brag about it.

Though running up to the Champion worm solo, throwing Epidemic and watching the bags pile up as I solo an entire raid was probably the most comical things I’ve ever done.

Oozo.7856:

jkctmc.8754:

Archer.1658:

jkctmc.8754:

Archer.1658:

Pestilence.3184:

Archer.1658:

Meh Reset night is fun, was amazing loot bag fest from BP. Wave after wave BURN and WAR just never learned, but that’s ok you guys got us a few times as well. As for AR, lol, you guys are worse than BP in the open field. If fighting BP makes me feel like a god, then fighting AR makes me feel like the creator of the dam universe it’s that easy.

ZOMG you craaaazzzyyy…… that farm fest swung both ways i enjoyed wiping you over and over and over and over at every attempt you tried to get hills but alas it got early for me here in the uk and so i logged…. you guys never really learnt either with your small army of confusion mesmers that was the only REAL threat you threw at us the rest was just plain boring bouncing off my gaurdian. you tell a good TALE but thats all it is a TALE…

You mean our 1 confusion mesmer, which is me?

Breaking News I am now an army. I knew I was good but dam son LOL.

Walabone.6713:

Archer.1658:

Meh Reset night is fun, was amazing loot bag fest from BP. Wave after wave BURN and WAR just never learned, but that’s ok you guys got us a few times as well. As for AR, lol, you guys are worse than BP in the open field. If fighting BP makes me feel like a god, then fighting AR makes me feel like the creator of the dam universe it’s that easy.

Odd. What game were you playing? This guy’s got some good drugs, men. Probably needed ‘em after he got wrecked so bad. All Ebay managed to do was die to Ascension [WAR]: over, and over, and over again. Good fights though, maybe you’ll have better luck against AR!

Definitely on drugs. Here’s 10 people wiping WAR’s 30 man at briar. Note there was more at the gate pvgating, but we got them too, no need to worry!

I’m not in WAR, so take this with a grain of salt. I know grade school was a long time ago, but that isn’t 30 people from WAR, and the current culling mess doesn’t show you over half of the allies around you, most of the time.

I don’t think that is evidence of anything.

You caught me bro, we were actually running 50 people even though our roaster is around 24, and WAR was only running 10 people. Darn this guy is good.

Don’t get upset now. I love that ballista shot you caught mid flight though… Wonder how many were in the tower, with siege helping you guys out. With culling, that screenshot only shows roughly four of you guys.

Hmm……….

AFAIK, culling doesn’t effect the minimap. Not many friendly dots on the minimap there.

When you scroll out that far on the minimap, like in that screenshot, you can hide all sorts of things, as evident in my screenshot.

Notice visually you can’t see all 25 even though there are gold swords, and on the minimap, you can’t see any dots at all?

Gothahm.6274:

jkctmc.8754:

Me likes, me likes my precious badges.

Serious question…not chest thumping or whatnot cause u all know I’m a baddie…but what do I do with all these badges? They’re just taking up room.

Supposedly next patch we’ll have more stuff to spend them on.

llkoolaid.8204:

Kalkz.5297:

llkoolaid.8204:

Walabone.6713:

Kodiack.2783:

the only thing that matters is who comes in second…

and right now thats Ebay

Don’t worry Kodiak

Was that a “don’t worry we will be in second soon”?

Dont even try, We (AR and BP) Are not going to fight each other for the 2nd place, We’re going to team up and destroy your evil forces and shutdown your server!

#BORLISROCK4EVER2013

lol what was that?

There is no conspiracy to team up on Ebay. If you havn’t noticed, there is almost always orange crossed swords on Anvil Rock side of the map, or in ARBL, while either Ebay, or Borliss goes untouched. <grins>

The badges I’ve got already though, this weekend surpassed what I got from the last two weeks.

Me likes, me likes my precious badges.

Archer.1658:

Kodiack.2783:

Archer.1658:

Mmmm tasty. Not only did your own argument dissemble itself, but you also are now admitting BP is below average. I didn’t realize one person could speak for their server, but you have spoken sir.

Not only does your own argument disagree with itself, but you assume I play on BP . I realize one person could speak for their server, I suggest you refrain.

-K

As you were defending them I would obviously assume so, if are speaking from AR, it goes the same way, because they are being crushed anyways. So the point still stands? IF Ebay is Average, and we destroy BP, who are in turn below average, then what does that leave AR who is below both?

-C

As for the WAR comments, I never even brought up me smashing walabone, its in the past and he knows not to speak out of turn. I was speaking in terms of wiping the guild.

You guys are soooo good, even with a larger population, you went down a tier. O.O

Ummm… Grats?

Darek.1836:

Redgrass.3067:

I am proud of my Anvil Rockers!!! After a few guilds left us we dropped as far as Tier 8. Through persistence and loyalty we managed to make it to Tier 5 with the same 200-300 people. We only get transfers for our stellar tpvp/spvp community. Other then that it’s just training a bunch of new players week in and week out. With all this said…I hope our players continue to grow and learn.

I’ll let Ebay know now that we have like 8+ spvp servers filled every night. That is 16/16 people pvping NOT in wvw. AR is hands down the best spvp server. I swear your best wvw guild wouldn’t last two days in tpvp here! WvW is last on the list of things to do in GW2 on this server. I am not here to QQ, I am here to let you guys know, you will see the same 300 players (at various times) day to day.

Our WvW guilds would change the tide in any Tier if they were to transfer. But loyalty got us this far and I am happy to face a harder challenge in Tier 5. You guys can say “this” and “that” about our server but respect the fact that we got here without any mass transfers AND had to rebuild our WvW community.

I look forward to fighting in this Tier and everyone in it. AR is scrappy as kitten…

There have only been 6 servers in tier 8 and Anvil wasn’t one of them.
/tier 8 expert

Despite losing the first Anvil Rock alliance to other servers, and later losing a couple more guilds to other server, Anvil Rock has been the most consistent server in the game.

ExVoodoo.7586:

jkctmc.8754:

ExVoodoo.7586:

jkctmc.8754:

A Mesmer should never brag about beating a Warrior, ever. That would be like a Thief bragging about beating a Ranger, or a Necromancer bragging about beating a Guardian.

He lost to more then just a mesmer.

If you’re anything but a Necromancer, Ranger, or Engineer dying to a Warrior, I probably wouldn’t tell anyone. Now that the game has progressed, and people have learned to dodge, the Warrior is a non-issue for more experienced players. I could imagine novice, or upleveled players having issues with them, but not anyone who has played the game longer than two months.

I’ll give a hint to a Warriors weakness, Conditions. <winks>

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/news/1077-community-highlight-of-guild-wars-2-pvp-survey/

I wish this game was balanced around 1v1, because that is virtually all I do. I’ve been leveling/gearing my wifes Necromancer the last two weeks with an AoE Marks/Wells build. As usual, I’m solo at least 70% of the time, unless I see gold crossed swords, then I go collect a lot of badges. That’s mostly in green armor, with some rares. <chuckles>

Last night I didn’t see any extraordinary skill running solo on a class/spec not designed for it. For that matter, I only seen maybe 7 solos, and the rest were large groups 13+ running around, with one exception early morning hours. Pk had a group in ARBL taking camps, and I ran my necro butt all over trying to stop them. They killed me two, or three times, until finally engaged them north camp with roughly four of us, and we wiped them. They had a kitten hard to kill Mesmer who was fun to fight, and a Guardian/Warrior who hit like a truck.

All in all, every server has its novice players, and its experienced players. It’s not like all of us are in T1, or top players in sPvP, so bragging about senseless bull is nothing more than mental comedy. <smiles>

Two of the classes he also lost too was a Ranger and Engineer.
I know very well the weakness of a warrior, I have a necromancer myself and find them easy pray. I have no need of any school lessons, though I thank you for the education attempt.

I have not bragged once, so if that last part is referred to me, then you’re a fair bit out of line. If it was general context, then continue on.

I myself have never claimed to be a 1v1 master, nor have I come onto these forums thumping my chest. In fact I don’t really post here all that often anyways. I prefer to keep the fighting on the field.
I was simply stating that he lost more to then just a mesmer, as I was there watching all of the fights. He did lose the majority of the ECHO fights, but he did win a couple.
In the end it’s his choice to play a warrior, so he should know what to be careful of.

@Walabone: I said nothing about the fights, I was simply confirming that a statement is correct and not mislead. I have beaten every class myself as I’m sure everyone has, so you have no need to get so defensive at me.

No need to take my general statements personal. I’m just pointing out that the current state of the game does not favor Warriors, and I give props to any of them who continue to play their Warrior, instead of you know a Thief, Elementalist, or Mesmer. Considering how easy it is to level, and gear up in this game, there is something to be said when a player chooses to stay with a class that is harder to play in a PvP environment than other classes that greatly out performs them.

I just find it odd that instead of; *good game, had fun, nice try, people have to demean, demoralize (even though that isn’t what is happening), or goad the people they’re fighting.

I guess I expect a more mature atmosphere that I experience playing football, basketball, boxing, etcetera where good sportsmanship, win or lose is the norm, and forget this is the internet even though I’ve been online gaming since ‘95’, and that immature unsportsmanlike conduct is the norm. That is my fault though. <grins>

KStudios.2850:

erigais.6805:

KStudios.2850:

And don’t get mad cause you don’t have any [Sekz]. We’re liking ours. =D

Speaking of [Sekz], the head of [SLVR]‘s R&D Department (that thief with the wonky build) loves running with you guys. A copliment of sorts I guess. He doesn’t often run with many outside the guild.

ah yeah, hes is a really good player too, one of the few thieves we’ve seen running a really solid build.

The guy is somethin’ else. I swear all he does outside of dungeons, fractals, and WvW is tinker with new builds. He’s of the type that, naturally, once successful he must then make a counter-build to the build he just built, lol.

Faux Sheaux.6179:

jkctmc.8754:

Wow, Ebay has a pretty good sized night crew.

We’re still mostly Americans who just don’t like to sleep :P

You’re kitten right! I sleep all of 4-5 hours a day, split between two naps. The unfortunate side effect being that sleeplessness accumulates. Resulting in a catastrophic 10-14 hour crash about once a week or so… usually on the couch, recliner, bean bag chair… Sometimes mid-game if we’re winning hard enough.

Thanks to the years I worked construction I average four hours a night. I wish I could have a crash night/day where I slept 10-14 hours, instead I get that day where I sleep roughly 6 hours, and spend the rest of the day with no energy, moping around like a zombie.

ExVoodoo.7586:

jkctmc.8754:

A Mesmer should never brag about beating a Warrior, ever. That would be like a Thief bragging about beating a Ranger, or a Necromancer bragging about beating a Guardian.

He lost to more then just a mesmer.

If you’re anything but a Necromancer, Ranger, or Engineer dying to a Warrior, I probably wouldn’t tell anyone. Now that the game has progressed, and people have learned to dodge, the Warrior is a non-issue for more experienced players. I could imagine novice, or upleveled players having issues with them, but not anyone who has played the game longer than two months.

I’ll give a hint to a Warriors weakness, Conditions. <winks>

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/news/1077-community-highlight-of-guild-wars-2-pvp-survey/

I wish this game was balanced around 1v1, because that is virtually all I do. I’ve been leveling/gearing my wifes Necromancer the last two weeks with an AoE Marks/Wells build. As usual, I’m solo at least 70% of the time, unless I see gold crossed swords, then I go collect a lot of badges. That’s mostly in green armor, with some rares. <chuckles>

Last night I didn’t see any extraordinary skill running solo on a class/spec not designed for it. For that matter, I only seen maybe 7 solos, and the rest were large groups 13+ running around, with one exception early morning hours. Pk had a group in ARBL taking camps, and I ran my necro butt all over trying to stop them. They killed me two, or three times, until finally engaged them north camp with roughly four of us, and we wiped them. They had a kitten hard to kill Mesmer who was fun to fight, and a Guardian/Warrior who hit like a truck.

All in all, every server has its novice players, and its experienced players. It’s not like all of us are in T1, or top players in sPvP, so bragging about senseless bull is nothing more than mental comedy. <smiles>

A Mesmer should never brag about beating a Warrior, ever. That would be like a Thief bragging about beating a Ranger, or a Necromancer bragging about beating a Guardian.

InfamousBrad.5879:

jkctmc.8754:

Wow, Ebay has a pretty good sized night crew.

And no morning crew to speak of, as far as I can tell. I can say that, I’m an Ebayer myself.

Yeah you guys like up, and vanished once morning come, and the sun showed a hint of appearance. It was a little spooky. <winks> <grins>

Faux Sheaux.6179:

jkctmc.8754:

Faux Sheaux.6179:

jkctmc.8754:

Wow, Ebay has a pretty good sized night crew.

We’re still mostly Americans who just don’t like to sleep :P

We’ll just have to drink coffee, and not sleep together. I was just surprised to see an outmanned buff both in Eternal BGs, and ARBL. Was fun though.

We were as surprised as you were to see the outmanned buff show up in ARBL. The craziest thing is when we were trying to get people for ARBL and there were only six of us to begin with, we didn’t have outmanned. After calling for a few more bodies, the first defender we saw in the bay had the buff, and we still had only about ten people altogether lol.

It might be bugged. I saw maybe….. 6 at the start, at most towards 3amish central until about 5am we had 14-19 roughly. About 5:15 it seemed people starting waking up because all of a sudden our numbers began to grow.

ExVoodoo.7586:

Faux Sheaux.6179:

jkctmc.8754:

Wow, Ebay has a pretty good sized night crew.

We’re still mostly Americans who just don’t like to sleep :P

I love my sleep! Reset night just gets me so amp’d up that I don’t get tired till 1am+.
Good fight at AR Garrison just now, ninja’d from the back. : )

On a side note-
I’m really enjoying this match up so far, AR is coming in a lot stronger then I was expecting and Borlis came off much stronger then last week.
If things stay the way they are now, this match up is gonna be a blast.

That was an awesome ninja. I was there with a ballista, all set to shoot some peeps when the wall came down. Thirty seconds later, I was thinking to myself… Something isn’t right. So I run down, and sure as all get out, you guys almost had back inner water gate down. I decided to go make a fresh cup of coffee then.

AR wasn’t defending tonight for whatever reason. Not sure why. We usually fight tooth and nail for our stuff. We had less than 20 people most of the night.

Faux Sheaux.6179:

jkctmc.8754:

Wow, Ebay has a pretty good sized night crew.

We’re still mostly Americans who just don’t like to sleep :P

We’ll just have to drink coffee, and not sleep together. I was just surprised to see an outmanned buff both in Eternal BGs, and ARBL. Was fun though.

saiyr.3071:

Kodiack.2783:

tiramisu.8706:

We didn’t expect to drop to tier 5 and make you mad again. If I remember correctly, you were the FIRST person to ever write a post about us about “OP builds”. Now that I think about it, I shouldn’t get so defensive. Your mad is making me happy now.

So you’ve made two servers drop in Tier? that’s some bad mojo following you around.

sick burnnnn

That is actually hilarious.

Wow, Ebay has a pretty good sized night crew.

Us altaholics have to give up something, somewhere. <grins> <cries>

Robert Hrouda.1327:

neverborne.4736:

Large scale WvW… It really doesn’t matter. I have to eye roll a little bit when you say proper pet management is the key. Yeah you might get lucky and send your pet in at just the right moment to get a reef drakes skill off once. If you’re even luckier it might be facing towards some enemies at that moment, but it will die right after and you will be left at 60% effectiveness and a long cool down before you can swap him out.

Large scale WvW our pet’s are utter fail. No amount of lipstick is going to make this pig look good.

Haha, well, in my experience when the zerg clashes, it only lasts about 10-15 seconds before a clear victor is found, and you’re either running for your life at that point, or stepping over the bodies of your enemy. I tend to use ranged weapons in WvW, so I hold my pet for the first 5 seconds of the Zerg clash, which gives the AOEs a moment to end and be in CD.
However I don’t even know of any player classes (even guardian) that can handle the zerg for more than a few seconds on the front line, so I don’t really fault pets too hard for dying in the zerg clash.

We usually have hour face offs, with a three hour, THREE WAY SM Castle fight in the lord room. This is why I switched to the Necro for WvW, with an AE build. I can pop Plauge as a Necro, and stay inside the enemy zerg most fights, for the entire 20 seconds before I have to dodge roll out. As a Thief, I’m always in the enemy zerg, 100% of the time. My Guardian, and Warrior both feel a lot weaker now, than they used too, and I’m not sure why yet. They’re less tanky than my tanky Mesmer build.

PvE…. I will probably never PvE again, in any game. Well unless my wife forces me too.
sPvP/tPvP…. Depends on build, but most likely canines. Having a knockdown, and a fear if it hits is awesome.
WvW …. Cats, with full BM spec. Panther is amazing for stealthing, and taking out those nasty ballista people like to use at supply camps. It just sucks cats can’t climb over tower walls, or birds can’t fly over them anymore to take out siege.

Now if Anvil Rock would just open up the temple of Zephyrs, all will be right in the world.

Chopps.5047:

Lert.6287:

Tbh, that part about ’’weakest’’ proffession shows who plays on which proffession. Seriously, warrior the weakest? Or engi weaker than ranger?
I could stand up for necro, they aren’t really good, tho decent condition burst.
I was expecting something fair and this…. this shows nothing.

I have a very easy time stomping warriors in wvw. I’m not saying warriors are weak, it’s just what I’ve observed. If I see a greatsword warrior in wvw, he’s going to have a bad time. And my hypothesis is that this leads to the misperception that warriors are weak: going into wvw with pve spec and zero condition removal or support. Keep it up warriors from SoR and BG! I loooooove the badges!

Until you meet a good hammer Warrior, and he beats you without breaking a sweat.

Are you talking about that three hour lag fest where most everyones abilities didn’t work?

Most of the NPCs in this game do this. It’s why the PvE aspect of the game is horrible, and allows for say a Warrior in a glass canon build to solo Lupicus, or allows for anyone with half a brain to solo Champions.

Simply moving in this game is far better in PvE, than CC is. Cracks me up.

I’ll give anyone 100g if they can hit me with the Drakes breath weapon.

Good players don’t get hit by the pet often. An average player will never get hit by a Drakes F2 breathe weapon either.

How are you guys getting hit so often that you think two seconds on the F2 abilities are actually, good?

Durzlla.6295:

Aridia.3042:

Durzlla.6295:

Well for starters I don’t like GC builds they’re boring, and as pretty much this entire forum has decided, 50% of our damage is via pets, and our bunker builds are able to shred things due to 30 BM + jaguar. It’s pretty much common sense that if you want to be a GC as a ranger you should buff you DPS pet as much as possible, use a melee weapon (because they will ALWAYS hit harder than a ranged weapon under equal circumstances), and then use the obvious berserker jewel.

My original comment relates to lack of build diversity due to poor design choices. I don’t really care that you don’t like GC builds as you don’t play the game for the whole community. You made a statement that claimed the lack of diversity stems from lack of originality. Well, you just admitted there’s no true GC build for rangers. That means there’s at least one less build than another class that could run GC already. How does that help your argument? What’s even more amusing is, trap is actually crap outside of 1 vs 1 and node caps so really we have 1 good build archetype for wvw. Where are these other supposed good builds that the Devs don’t even know about?

You seem to have a different idea as to what viable means than myself and a lot of other people. If you think the ranger meta is that diverse, put some builds up like others have done and let the community critique them.

Better yet, like I said, vids please. Otherwise is just a circle jerk and trying to argue for the sake of arguing.

I’ve been thinking of just throwing a bunch of builds up, then again most people on this forum use the logic of “I don’t like it so its bad” (look at spirits and shout builds).

And as much as I’d love to upload a ton of videos I don’t have the time required to make the videos watchable (edit them) so they’d be pretty horrible, but if I suddenly contour a lot of spare time I will upload some tPvP footage.

And for me viable = build fills the intended Niche well, most people want viable to = better than every other build in that niche.

lol… More like any build should meet expectations, and match similar builds from other classes.

People need to start labeling where they think the Ranger does good at, or poor at. sPvP/tPvP is not WvW. In sPvP they have nerfed a lot of what the other classes can do, with very little changes to the Ranger so there is the perception that the Ranger is fine, by those players. They would be correct in regards to that style of gameplay, but they need to understand the Ranger suffers issues in other aspects of the game, namely WvW to a great extent, and PvE at a lesser extent. I do find it ironic though that the Trap Ranger is potent in sPvP because the traps deny you the opportunity to stand in a circle, when in WvW, we just walk around them.

All three aspects of the game are so different from each other, you can not use a blanket statement in regards to the Ranger.

Durzlla.6295:

jkctmc.8754:

Durzlla.6295:

capuchinseven.8395:

Ryan.8367:

Keep in mind is supposed to be 50% of our dmg is our pet

Ryan.8367:

So quit spouting bullkitten.

Interesting that you’d put both of those comments in one post.

Evidence that pets are 50% of our damage?

There is none, no one has done the calculations to actually see how much % of the damage we do is our pet, which is why people constantly switch the %, it was 20, now it’s 50, in other posts there were claims of 70, 60, 80, and i’ve seen a lot of 40’s too.

It depends on the build. A Beastmaster bunker build is going to have most its damage done through the pet, less so if they go heavy into conditions, but still over 50% of its damage.

The more points you pull from Beastmastery, and put it above, the less the pet actually does for you. I’m not sure what percentage a pet does with zero into Beastmastery though.

And I believe it was a developer who stated they expect the pet to be HALF of the Ranger, therefore people started using 50% religiously.

I still can’t get my parser to work correctly, and have given up on it for now so I can’t get exact numbers.

Any idea how recent the dev post was? If its fairly recent ill look for it to see, otherwise I’ll just take your word for it!

I know I personally run a BM build and I’d say my pets probably close to 60 or 70%, don’t know how my h it’d be with my non BM build though.

I don’t recall. I just remember it being said. I almost want to say it was in an interview, but I’m probably wrong.

Ralk.7106:

Sol.4310:

Reason ranger’s seem better in SPvP over WvW go check past patch notes on class changes in SPvP, if they used half the changes they done to SPvP in WvW ranger might move back up little.

To my knowledge, there is not a single ranger balance change that wasn’t applied to both sPvP and WvW.

Even beyond the ranger, there’s only a few skills that are split.
Guardian shout “Save yourselves”
Guardian trait heal on evade roll
Superior Lyssa rune 6th ability (I think?)
There’s also 1 or 2 Elementalist splits

Also, FYI, rangers became popular in sPvP after pets started closing the distance before initiating melee attacks. This made pets more difficult to kite. But this was a minor effect. Trap rangers became effective at de-bunkering a guardian. The guardian nerfs may have spurred the popularity of trap rangers.

There have been some major changes in sPvP to all classes that does not happen in WvW. Any nerf to the other classes also effects the Rangers ability in sPvP.

Daecollo.9578:

Actually rangers are quite overpowered in spvp and pve and even pvp in some fights.

Rangers are probably one of the best classes in the game right now, it just has a higher skill ceiling.

The Ranger isn’t overpowered in sPvP, they are quite balanced. If you ask the sPvP community, most put them in the third, or fourth slot for sPvP class. Keep in mind this is only the case because a lot of classes have some major nerfs in sPvP, while the Ranger has few. Remember this when I make a point later.

The Ranger is not balanced in PvE though, and not up to par with the better PvE classes. However, they are still playable in PvE if you listen to Chopps, and he can be believed. I know a PvE only guild who runs Fractals faster than anyone else, and they refuse to take Rangers. In fact, no one in thier guild will play their Rangers anymore. You would have to ask them why.

The Ranger is slightly underpowered in WvW. There are a lot of reasons why, and I’ve covered these in previous posts. If you don’t believe me, read the thread in the WvW forums about the worst classes in WvW. Virtually everyone agrees the Ranger, and Engineer are the weakest. These players, like myself destroy Rangers in WvW when we fight them. The nerfs other classes experience in sPvP do not carry over to WvW.

Durzlla.6295:

capuchinseven.8395:

Ryan.8367:

Keep in mind is supposed to be 50% of our dmg is our pet

Ryan.8367:

So quit spouting bullkitten.

Interesting that you’d put both of those comments in one post.

Evidence that pets are 50% of our damage?

There is none, no one has done the calculations to actually see how much % of the damage we do is our pet, which is why people constantly switch the %, it was 20, now it’s 50, in other posts there were claims of 70, 60, 80, and i’ve seen a lot of 40’s too.

It depends on the build. A Beastmaster bunker build is going to have most its damage done through the pet, less so if they go heavy into conditions, but still over 50% of its damage.

The more points you pull from Beastmastery, and put it above, the less the pet actually does for you. I’m not sure what percentage a pet does with zero into Beastmastery though.

And I believe it was a developer who stated they expect the pet to be HALF of the Ranger, therefore people started using 50% religiously.

I still can’t get my parser to work correctly, and have given up on it for now so I can’t get exact numbers.

Durzlla.6295:

jkctmc.8754:

Durzlla.6295:

nerva.7940:

Sun is bad for organized groups for one reason: burning stacks in duration. When the target is called to be focused the ENTIRE group affected by sun is adding only like 400dps and thats if ure full condi specced. This is pathetic. So sun doesnt scale in any way and is quite bad.

Sun scales off of the player who applies the burning not the ranger, it -can- be good, I kinda prefer the suggestion that it should give might as well as burn though, would make it a bit more useful.

Considering a Guardian can keep burning up permanently with minimal effort, and there is generally an Elementalist also adding burning in area effect, this is an overkill. The spirit is virtually worthless in any situation, but solo. And applaying burning by traps is far better in a solo situation.

Or, you know, a group situation where none of your friends play a guardian or ele…

I didn’t say “zomg guys sun spirit is amazing!” I simply said, “sun spirit is pretty strong in some situations.”

I see Guardians, and Elementalists everywhere. The best groups will be running these two classes as the core of the group. It isn’t the same on your server? I’m talking WvW by the way.

Chopps.5047:

jkctmc.8754:

Durzlla.6295:

Elitejelly.7462:

I see this is a hot topic.
I agree with rangers need more attention. I always get teased because i play and enjoy my ranger. would be nice if people would welcome rangers into wvw, dungeons, etc.

I’ve never had issues, I’ve had a few “omg your pets still alive?!?” Responses in a handful of dungeons… But It’s usually in fights that its not even hard to do… Like the ice dog giant things in the Kodan instance path 2

I don’t PvE, never have, and never will, but I could keep my pet at my side 100% of the time, and it will always stay alive, but what use is that? Each and every time your pet is not attacking, that is less damage you, as a player are doing, and all the more reason for me to pick up a Warrior and complete the run faster.

In WvW, the pet is virtually useless against a good player, or in zerg vs zerg fighting (something I avoid) because I run solo or in small groups most of the time. Pets have a large number of issues, and saying; “I do fine with them” is not an honest assessment of every aspect of this game.

I usually apply cripples/chills and use 30% run speed for pets, along with cats, and I don’t have a problem making contact with pets, usually. Sometimes I’ll use ranged pets with expertise training and that tends to work out well. The dogs are very accurate with their leaps and with a trap build you’re doing conditions instead of direct damage.

With that in mind, your argument seems to boil down to you want your pet to be able to hit better without depending on cripple, chill, immobilize, stun, or daze; without pet speed and without traiting anything for pets. Am I understanding you correctly? Then it seems your real complaint is that you can’t both run the traits you want to run AND have your pet do reliable damage.

As I’ve pointed out in other threads, you can avoid the pets with minimal effort. Watch Xsorus videos, and how few the pets chasing him, hit him. Tell me why.

When I fight a Ranger, I throw a cripple, or an immobilize on the pet, and move any other time. I rarely, if ever get hit by a Ranger pet. On some of my classes, like my Guardian, I troll Rangers (with Hammer) by immobilizing the pet, knocking it back/down, and putting up a circle it can’t cross, and the AI is so stupid, half the time it won’t go around it. All the while I just heal the Rangers weak damage, until they leave.

More and more players are running anti-condition builds, limiting the effectiveness of CC, or completely negating it. Any good player can avoid the Rangers pet most of the time, and I’m not fine with that.

I have a feeling I’ll be going back to my Guardian next patch.

I’ll mess with it any how, out of boredom. If I don’t, I’ll spend my gold on another toon, and another build. Earning gold for me is bad because I spend it on a new set of armor, to try out new builds.

Ryan.8367:

Funny, they thought guardians were fine where they’re at, except theyre getting a 10% dmg reduction innate because devs feel they need to be able to take more damage.

This cracks me up, and makes me sad. I initially quit my Guardian because the nerfs to the heals were getting too much. Why not just reverse the nerfs to the Guardians healing abilities?

ThiBash.5634:

At least they’ll get agony resistance…

I know the pet will, but did they also say Spirits?

My banner Warrior can keep up permanently Fury, 3 stacks of Might, Swiftness, and Regen on an entire group. That is in addition to being able to provide the banner stats themselves.

I don’t see why the spirits can’t do something similar.

Durzlla.6295:

nerva.7940:

Sun is bad for organized groups for one reason: burning stacks in duration. When the target is called to be focused the ENTIRE group affected by sun is adding only like 400dps and thats if ure full condi specced. This is pathetic. So sun doesnt scale in any way and is quite bad.

Sun scales off of the player who applies the burning not the ranger, it -can- be good, I kinda prefer the suggestion that it should give might as well as burn though, would make it a bit more useful.

Considering a Guardian can keep burning up permanently with minimal effort, and there is generally an Elementalist also adding burning in area effect, this is an overkill. The spirit is virtually worthless in any situation, but solo. And applaying burning by traps is far better in a solo situation.

capuchinseven.8395:

jkctmc.8754:

The Ranger has one of the worst condition removal builds in the game. So no, you do not know. Your cripples are a non-issue to a smart build, and your pet will not hit often.

You’re right dude, I totally forgot we can only play one class, ever. I’m imagining my Thief, Warrior and Guardian.

Seriously.

jkctmc.8754:

That cripple you’re talking about can also be applied to your pet for its full duration, AND YOU WILL NOT REMOVE IT.

I don’t think you understand Pounce, Kick AND pet swap, it doesn’t matter where in the universe my pet is, I am now in melee range with you and pet swap will bring the pet, buffed with Zephyr and with cleared conditions, right next to me and attacking in melee range with a instant (from Zephyr) bird F2. Who cares if you then cripple the pet? What’s your point? I’ll have to wait for the F2 cooldown anyway and pet swap clears conditions when I do it again.

Your point is a none issue and you’re, for some reason, locked into this cripple issue. Kick/Cripple isn’t the issue. Pounce WILL keep me locked onto you the cripple is totally, 100%, an utter none issue. Pounce will keep me locked on you.

Do you think that I mean the pet then keeps following? The whole point is the initial pet swap Zephyr attack, any follow up hits the bird lands are nothing more than a bonus. The pet swap Zephyr and Pounce are what keeps you on the target.

The more you keep talking about Guardians the more I just think that for some reason you assume that because I talked about ONE tactic then for some reason, that’s the only way I’ll ever attack anyone, whatever their class, whatever the situation.

It’s like you’ve put up this Guardian strawman because they deal with conditions better than anyone else. So that’s your argument? Guardians deal with conditions well and I only have one tactic?

Any thief that stealths, as you raised them as a point (and they always stealth at that point), sees my heels as I Hornet Sting, then Monarchs Leap away, which screws with their time spent in stealth as they close the gap.

We were not talking about you, we were talking about the pet. <face meets palm>

What server are you on? Minion Master Necro’s can actually get rid of conditions better than Guardian, FYI.

This is how my Guardian deals with Conditions.

— 56% crit chance + Sigil of Purity, and Sigil of Generosity (Both 60% chance on crit.)
— Signet of Resolve + Perfect Inscriptions – Removes two conditions every 10 seconds.
— Inscribed Removal – When forced to heal, my Signet of Resolve removes a condition on the heal.
— Save Yourself – Draw Conditions from my groupmates. Thanks for the extra boons.
— Contemplation of Purity – Convert the conditions you are suffering from into Boons. Hey, it also heals me for 2113 each time I cast it.
— Cleansing Flame – Wait, a Guardian who uses Sword/Torch, say what? For whatever dumb reason, this also removes conditions from the Guardian too.
— 2 Runes of Melandru + Bowl of Lemongrass Poultry Soup reduces your conditions durations by HALF, yes 50%.

Oh no… You put cripple on me again, and entered melee range, what ever will I do.

— Smite Condition (lolz 16 sec recast timer) – Cure a Condition, do damage “in an AE” to the not so smart Ranger who insists on putting Cripple on me. Hey, it also heals me for 2113 each time I cast it.

With a 121 per second regen, 6284 Heal (32sec cd), 2113 Heal (16sec cd), 2113 Heal (48sec cd), dodges that heal me for 676 a dodge roll (how I love that 5 sec Vigor on crit), among other ways of healing myself like mace attack, regen boon, and so on, there is no way a Ranger can kill my Guardian in world vs world. I’m not even sure two can, considering I’ve tanked full groups for five minutes. So forgive me for thinking the Ranger class needs buffs.

The more you insist on applying conditions to me, the more I heal myself, or make myself stronger. Gee thanks. <laughs>

I sometimes slot my Hammer, and troll Rangers by immoblizing their pet for two seconds, Banish the pet (knock them back & down) for two seconds, and drop a Ring of Warding keeping the pet away form me for 5 seconds, watching it figure out what is up. All the while just healing anything the Ranger himself can do, and killing any other player who comes along to help. After awhile, they just leave.

I won’t even get into the power of the other classes I also play.