Guild Wars 2

Jazenn.7526:

jkctmc.8754:

@Jazenn

Do you feel your Ranger is on par with other classes, if so how? I havn’t played the Engineer yet, though fighting them I feel they’re weaker than the Ranger. I havn’t played the Necromancer, but seeing one in a group work their Wells, it is a sight to see, especially paired with two Elementalists in the group. Although out of the other classes I chose to gear up in Exotics, they all play way better than my Ranger under most circumstances, but most importantly groups. My Ranger brings very little to a group. My other toons however bring a lot to the group, such as;

Warrior – Much better damage (easily twice as much), faster revives on downed players, perma Swiftness, perma Fury, Perma Regen, Perma 3 stacks of Might, 10% bonus damage to crit hits, and the list could go on.

Guardian – Better damage (easily 50% more damage), pulsing group regen, access denying abilities (blocks a lot of damage to friendlies), a variety of boons, condition cures for the entire group, and the list could go on.

Mesmer – Much better damage (easily twice as much), Staff build allows me to transfer all boons on me, to my entire group (amazing combined with Chaos Storm and Chaos Armor), SEVERAL COMBO FIELDS to improve the groups damage, Null Field, stealth for the entire group, or a portal to surprise your foes, and the list could go on.

Thief – Special Note: I do not like the Thief in PvE, but WvW they add; Much better damage (easily three times as much, potentially four times as much), stealth for the entire group to surprise your foes, the best scouting ability in the game, and the list isn’t really big for the Thief, but the damage more than makes up for their lack of utility in a group.

Oh god, I don’t want to have to post something like that again right now, I’m starting to get lazier with my posts arguing the same thing. I’ll just say: jack of all trades. Besides that, you are highly underestimating the ranger. You think a thief can kill something 4 times over before a ranger can kill it once? kitten I’m not a master of classes but I know that ain’t true. Each class might be best at whatever but the ranger can do it all.

Too much knowledge for you? I told you, you were only trolling. The only thing a Ranger can do, another class can’t is provide a permanent pet. The other classes provide the same things; better. To be a jack of all trades means you provide a larger variety of abilities the other classes do not.

I’ve hit for 9k on my Thief, in one hit, against a bunker Guardian. How long would it take you to match that single hit? Right before that hit, I delivered a 5k Cloak and Dagger. How long would it take for you to deliver that 5k damage? In less than 4 seconds I’ve dropped a Bunker Warrior with over 23k health. You wouldn’t have killed him in 20 seconds.

My buddy has a video (I’ll have to see if he still has it up on youtube) of him killing a Bunker Guardian in less than 3 seconds. It was something like 2.5 seconds. You obviously know very little about this game.

Here, educate yourself….

This is an average damage spec.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE_Nf8h5R-g

Over 9k hits in sPvP. In WvW we can get much higher critical hit damage. This person would have hit for 12k easy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO3Su2tTch4

This guy opens up with a 13k crit, a build I want to learn because he doubles MY THIEVES DAMAGE. Watch at 1 min 40ish seconds, he delivers two 9k crits on a Ranger.

@Jazenn

Do you feel your Ranger is on par with other classes, if so how? I havn’t played the Engineer yet, though fighting them I feel they’re weaker than the Ranger. I havn’t played the Necromancer, but seeing one in a group work their Wells, it is a sight to see, especially paired with two Elementalists in the group. Although out of the other classes I chose to level, and gear up in Exotics, they all play way better than my Ranger under most circumstances, but most importantly groups. My Ranger brings very little to a group. My other toons however bring a lot to the group, such as;

Warrior – Much better damage (easily twice as much), faster revives on downed players, perma Swiftness, perma Fury, Perma Regen, Perma 3 stacks of Might, 10% bonus damage to crit hits, and the list could go on.

Guardian – Better damage (easily 50% more damage), pulsing group regen, access denying abilities (blocks a lot of damage to friendlies), a variety of boons, condition cures for the entire group, and the list could go on.

Mesmer – Much better damage (easily twice as much), Staff build allows me to transfer all boons on me, to my entire group (amazing combined with Chaos Storm and Chaos Armor), SEVERAL COMBO FIELDS to improve the groups damage, Null Field, stealth for the entire group, or a portal to surprise your foes, and the list could go on.

Thief – Special Note: I do not like the Thief in PvE, but WvW they add; much better damage (easily three times as much, potentially four times as much), stealth for the entire group to surprise your foes, the best scouting ability in the game, and the list isn’t really big for the Thief, but the damage more than makes up for their lack of utility in a group.

Jazenn.7526:

jkctmc.8754:

Jazenn.7526:

jkctmc.8754:

Jazenn.7526:

jkctmc.8754:

Jazenn.7526:

jkctmc.8754:

@Chopps, and Jazenn

I have the following fully geared 80s; Ranger, Warrior, Thief, Mesmer, and finally a Guardian. I have never lost to another Ranger in a 1v1, ever, on any of my toons, including my Ranger.

If you honestly think people, including myself who feel the class has a lot of issues are just bad players, put your money where your mouth is. Switch servers, and duel me, IN WVW, on all my toons.

I’ll let you fraps it, and post the results. The ball is in your court now. Send me a PM so we can get this started.

1) I don’t care if you can beat me, I don’t claim to be the best, and I don’t think the class is bad. Beating me would only further support what I think, if anything at all.

2) I’m not paying to switch servers to fight you lol. You can catch me yourself if your online and sure I will in sPvP. Haven’t been able to get on in about a week but I’m on now, I always like duels.

You mention sPvP, which (follow me now) is not WvW. I hope you know the difference by now, and understand the largest number of issues with the Ranger are in WvW, not the nerfed and weaken state sPvP is, where bunker builds rule because they remove so much damage so you can cope.

How can you say Rangers are fine, but you’re not willing to back it up? For them to be fine, do you not think you should be good enough to actually kill a good player with them, especially when you claim that those having issues have to be bad players?

Well you can pay money to come to my tier and fight me then, lol I’m not paying to fight you dude. I realize the difference between WvW and PvP, and it’s the money I’m not gonna pay. And yea I think I can beat pretty much anyone. I just fight people I see, idk who is “good” or not beforehand.

We should both transfer to the two cheapest servers. We’ll have to be on opposite servers. Once you transfer, I can take my alt account to your server so that I know you did in fact transfer before transfering mine.

Um, no. How about you stop trolling and contribute? Not complaining and whining for changes, but real tips, advice, or strategy of how to play ranger, since you are obviously a master at it.

Did you not click on this thread?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Changes-the-Ranger-needs-for-WVW/page/3#post1356529

Quit being a forum warrior, and actually learn the game before you try to offer advice.

1) That’s a whine for change thread, not a good contribution to the forums.

2) Forum warrior? Someone who posts on the forums that happens to have a different opinion than you?

3) I know how to play well enough, I can offer whatever advice I can, you don’t have to listen.

It’s a whine? Yeah you’re a troll. GG

Jazenn.7526:

jkctmc.8754:

Jazenn.7526:

jkctmc.8754:

Jazenn.7526:

jkctmc.8754:

@Chopps, and Jazenn

I have the following fully geared 80s; Ranger, Warrior, Thief, Mesmer, and finally a Guardian. I have never lost to another Ranger in a 1v1, ever, on any of my toons, including my Ranger.

If you honestly think people, including myself who feel the class has a lot of issues are just bad players, put your money where your mouth is. Switch servers, and duel me, IN WVW, on all my toons.

I’ll let you fraps it, and post the results. The ball is in your court now. Send me a PM so we can get this started.

1) I don’t care if you can beat me, I don’t claim to be the best, and I don’t think the class is bad. Beating me would only further support what I think, if anything at all.

2) I’m not paying to switch servers to fight you lol. You can catch me yourself if your online and sure I will in sPvP. Haven’t been able to get on in about a week but I’m on now, I always like duels.

You mention sPvP, which (follow me now) is not WvW. I hope you know the difference by now, and understand the largest number of issues with the Ranger are in WvW, not the nerfed and weaken state sPvP is, where bunker builds rule because they remove so much damage so you can cope.

How can you say Rangers are fine, but you’re not willing to back it up? For them to be fine, do you not think you should be good enough to actually kill a good player with them, especially when you claim that those having issues have to be bad players?

Well you can pay money to come to my tier and fight me then, lol I’m not paying to fight you dude. I realize the difference between WvW and PvP, and it’s the money I’m not gonna pay. And yea I think I can beat pretty much anyone. I just fight people I see, idk who is “good” or not beforehand.

We should both transfer to the two cheapest servers. We’ll have to be on opposite servers. Once you transfer, I can take my alt account to your server so that I know you did in fact transfer before transfering mine.

Um, no. How about you stop trolling and contribute? Not complaining and whining for changes, but real tips, advice, or strategy of how to play ranger, since you are obviously a master at it.

Did you not click on this thread?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Changes-the-Ranger-needs-for-WVW/page/3#post1356529

Quit being a forum warrior, and actually learn the game before you try to offer advice.

Jazenn.7526:

jkctmc.8754:

Jazenn.7526:

jkctmc.8754:

@Chopps, and Jazenn

I have the following fully geared 80s; Ranger, Warrior, Thief, Mesmer, and finally a Guardian. I have never lost to another Ranger in a 1v1, ever, on any of my toons, including my Ranger.

If you honestly think people, including myself who feel the class has a lot of issues are just bad players, put your money where your mouth is. Switch servers, and duel me, IN WVW, on all my toons.

I’ll let you fraps it, and post the results. The ball is in your court now. Send me a PM so we can get this started.

1) I don’t care if you can beat me, I don’t claim to be the best, and I don’t think the class is bad. Beating me would only further support what I think, if anything at all.

2) I’m not paying to switch servers to fight you lol. You can catch me yourself if your online and sure I will in sPvP. Haven’t been able to get on in about a week but I’m on now, I always like duels.

You mention sPvP, which (follow me now) is not WvW. I hope you know the difference by now, and understand the largest number of issues with the Ranger are in WvW, not the nerfed and weaken state sPvP is, where bunker builds rule because they remove so much damage so you can cope.

How can you say Rangers are fine, but you’re not willing to back it up? For them to be fine, do you not think you should be good enough to actually kill a good player with them, especially when you claim that those having issues have to be bad players?

Well you can pay money to come to my tier and fight me then, lol I’m not paying to fight you dude. I realize the difference between WvW and PvP, and it’s the money I’m not gonna pay. And yea I think I can beat pretty much anyone. I just fight people I see, idk who is “good” or not beforehand.

We should both transfer to the two cheapest servers. We’ll have to be on opposite servers. Once you transfer, I can take my alt account to your server so that I know you did in fact transfer before transfering mine.

Instead of trolling people who play the Ranger, why not contribute something to help this class.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Changes-the-Ranger-needs-for-WVW/page/3#post1356529

Peter.9406:

A lot of these changes would be awesome, but would cause the ranger to be so OP that it would shift balance. The only ones I agree with are:
— F2 abilities are very slow to cast, with very long recast times. As it is now, landing a Howl, or a Breath Weapon is near impossible for moving targets. They should be instant cast.
— Pets just are not smart. The Mesmers illusions are a lot smarter. If someone steatlhs on a Ranger pet, he stands there saying; “duh”, and will not react once they come out of stealth, but a Mesmer’s illusions will wait for the target to unstealth, and IMMEDIATELY go after them.

That would be a start, but they should do more. I wouldn’t expect them to do everything I’ve mentioned, but I think half of it would help a ton, and not shift the balance at all.

Jazenn.7526:

jkctmc.8754:

@Chopps, and Jazenn

I have the following fully geared 80s; Ranger, Warrior, Thief, Mesmer, and finally a Guardian. I have never lost to another Ranger in a 1v1, ever, on any of my toons, including my Ranger.

If you honestly think people, including myself who feel the class has a lot of issues are just bad players, put your money where your mouth is. Switch servers, and duel me, IN WVW, on all my toons.

I’ll let you fraps it, and post the results. The ball is in your court now. Send me a PM so we can get this started.

1) I don’t care if you can beat me, I don’t claim to be the best, and I don’t think the class is bad. Beating me would only further support what I think, if anything at all.

2) I’m not paying to switch servers to fight you lol. You can catch me yourself if your online and sure I will in sPvP. Haven’t been able to get on in about a week but I’m on now, I always like duels.

You mention sPvP, which (follow me now) is not WvW. I hope you know the difference by now, and understand the largest number of issues with the Ranger are in WvW, not the nerfed and weaken state sPvP is, where bunker builds rule because they remove so much damage so you can cope.

How can you say Rangers are fine, but you’re not willing to back it up? For them to be fine, do you not think you should be good enough to actually kill a good player with them, especially when you claim that those having issues have to be bad players?

@Chopps, and Jazenn

I have the following fully geared 80s; Ranger, Warrior, Thief, Mesmer, and finally a Guardian. I have never lost to another Ranger in a 1v1, ever, on any of my toons, including my Ranger.

If you honestly think people, including myself who feel the class has a lot of issues are just bad players, put your money where your mouth is. Switch servers, and duel me, IN WVW, on all my toons.

I’ll let you fraps it, and post the results. The ball is in your court now. Send me a PM so we can get this started.

Kalkz.5297:

NSP Take ARs waypoint out of your hills please

Shhhh… They can leave it. Actually, no listen to Kalkz, I’ll be up a little late tonight and would love a good keep siege tonight while I get drunk.

Noroz.9527:

Evilzara.6378:

All you need to know is SekZ > every guild on NSP.

I think [Sekz] has proven to better than all guilds in this tier. If they have their numbers, they can wipe every effin guild in a heads up fight, including the ones on NSP. I’ve seen them wipe zergs from both AR and BP.

That’s BS…..

Notice the class, notice the guild name on my pet, notice that I am outmanned, and notice my stacks, notice how close I am to that tower.

I was using a PuG guarding a nearby camp to lure them out, and would kill stragglers.

Now imagine if I had an equal number of guildmates there with me.

Xsorus.2507:

jkctmc.8754:

Xsorus is a good Ranger no doubt, and don’t think I’m trying to take anything away from his accomplishments.

He did highlight a potential benefit for the Ranger, above the ohter classes. Being able to dodge around, to not trigger Confusion ticks on yourself, and avoid retaliation, while your pet continues to do damage puts us above what other classes suffer against Pain Inverter, and Mesmers.

However, on my server people have begun killing our pets first, so I wonder what would have happened had that Ranger killed Xsorus’s pet first, what the outcome would have been.

The first time I had a Mesmer virtually instantly kill my pet, my mouth hit the floor. As a condition/BM spec, she cut my damage by more than half in a short period of time. Switching pets only bought me two seconds, before it was dead and I was staring at cooldowns.

Since then, it seems to be the normal occurence when roaming solo on my server.

She probably misclicked the pet and instead of you and shattered all his clones on it hehe

I’ve only had a few people try and actually kill the pet, I mean you waste a lot of DPS by going after him when the ranger can just swap out the pet every 15 seconds if you don’t actually kill it.

I also imagine about the only way to really kill it is by being Glass Cannon Spec, as Condition based won’t put out enough damage in 15 seconds to drop the pet.

Actually they’re killing both, and rather fast. The Mesmer just happened to be the first person to do it to me, and it took me by surprise. Unfortunately our pet dies a lot faster than you might think, and in BM spec, your damage is hurt drastically.

This probably wouldn’t work for a Condition spec, so you’re correct in those regards, but how many classes really run condition specs?

jkctmc.8754:

They removed healing, and the holy trinity because people cried about not having the skill to down healers, or groups with good healers.

Now you’re crying about the downed state. Come on guys, this is embarassing. How much further do you want PvP to be watered down, so you can compete? They already nerf classes in sPvP because people can’t cope with a full fledged class.

For crying out loud go play a first person shooter if MMOs are too hard for you.

I’m still laughing that people are crying about an easy mechanic to counter.

Xsorus is a good Ranger no doubt, and don’t think I’m trying to take anything away from his accomplishments.

He did highlight a potential benefit for the Ranger, above the ohter classes. Being able to dodge around, to not trigger Confusion ticks on yourself, and avoid retaliation, while your pet continues to do damage puts us above what other classes suffer against Pain Inverter, and Mesmers.

However, on my server people have begun killing our pets first, so I wonder what would have happened had that Ranger killed Xsorus’s pet first, what the outcome would have been.

The first time I had a Mesmer virtually instantly kill my pet, my mouth hit the floor. As a condition/BM spec, she cut my damage by more than half in a short period of time. Switching pets only bought me two seconds, before it was dead and I was staring at cooldowns.

Since then, it seems to be the normal occurence when roaming solo on my server.

Xsorus.2507:

SilverWF.4789:

I just love bow/pet classes – my Squig Herder in the Warhammer Online was my most likely class (even when he was nerfed like a peice of… you know)
And there is no analogues over Ranger: Warrior with bow looks ugly. Thief? Maybe, but…
So, I playing ranger sometimes, anyway

hehe, I loved my Squig Herder in WAR.

Remember the Morale 3 Ability that increased the Squig Herder Pet to massive size and caused him to kill people.

I use to watch my Spiked Squig kill people in like 5 seconds…was so funny..

I played a Ranger in EQ1, EQII, etc, but really couldn’t get into the pet classes in War, and really hated the Squig Herder. That might have been because my group had me playing healers since EQII, and I really couldn’t get into another role for awhile now. Now that most of my group isn’t playing MMOs due to new businesses, I’m back to playing a different role.

nerva.7940:

jkctmc.8754:

There is a much faster way to apply bleeds. <grins>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iw7azGH_-E

half of those are the cat’s bleeds, and no one will stand still for you in pvp. not sure if youre joking.

i actually run a tanky bleed stacking build in spvp. SB/axe/dagger/cats with improved condi damage. that would be the fastest way to apply bleeds. if you know what youre doing, you should never be wasting utility slot on QZ.

It was a joke. I would rather use a trap in the place of Sharpening Stones.

Sharpening Stones only really adds about 1680 damage, if none of the bleeds are cured. The way bleeds work, when stacking them, the system is messed up, and you don’t get the full potential of this skill.

Xsorus.2507:

jkctmc.8754:

By 40 seconds into the fight, you down a Guardian, who didn’t heal, nor cure conditions. He must have been glass canon spec, which is worthless for a Guardian.

I stopped watching there, and will watch later. I get irritated seeing poorly played toons in videos.

He healed…

But he didn’t remove conditions

Also you should of kept watching, I duel both a PI using Ranger and Engineer at the end of it ;o)

My Guardian can heal far, far, far more than he did. Running a Meditations build you could never kill me one vs one. For that matter it takes full groups over a minute to kill my Guardian.

Was a horrible Guardian.

When I have time later, I’ll watch the rest.

By 40 seconds into the fight, you down a Guardian, who didn’t heal, nor cure conditions. He must have been glass canon spec, which is worthless for a Guardian.

I stopped watching there, and will watch later. I get irritated seeing poorly played toons in videos.

There is a much faster way to apply bleeds. <grins>

RummyTheMad.7290:

Interestingly, I just had this very discussion with a guildmate a couple of nights ago. The thing is that arguments of this nature tend to be very one-dimensional, and only consider the raw damage numbers of the professions being compared. But you can’t simply look at raw damage numbers in a vacuum and expect to understand anything about DPS.

Anyway, let’s look at what we’re actually talking about: raw damage, raw DPS, and net DPS – three very different things. Raw damage is the numbers you see popping up on the screen. Raw DPS is the average amount of damage that you output in any given second, and net DPS is the average amount of damage that actually makes it to your target in any given second. The first is a snapshot of a moment in time, the other two are time-dependent.

Warriors attempt to dish out big damage in a short span of time, but their damage drops considerably between their flurries. Sure many of their skills are on relatively short cds, but the important concept is that the vast majority of their damage is applied in quick bursts. This means that they have very high raw DPS during a burst, but a much lower raw DPS between bursts. So a warrior is more efficient in a short fight.

Rangers on the other hand push out multiple small hits over the span of a fight, and their bursts aren’t nearly as high. Their raw damage is unarguably smaller than a warrior’s, but the ranger is going to be landing more hits during a fight than a warrior can. Because their raw DPS during any given period of a fight is more consistent, the ranger’s raw DPS is as good as, if not higher than, a warrior’s if the fight goes on long enough. So rangers become the more efficient choice the longer a fight lasts.

I think we can all agree that warriors have more access to raw damage, but rangers apply their damage more consistently over time. Regardless, raw damage and raw DPS don’t win fights. Having a higher net DPS than your opponent wins fights. So in a ranger vs. warrior scenario, superior mobility, superior access to damage mitigation techniques, and the ability to spread consistent outgoing damage over multiple sources are the tools a ranger can use to win the “damage” battle.

TLDR – “Damage” is too vague of a concept for a proper discussion. Warriors win the raw damage battle, but over time rangers win the raw DPS battle. The net DPS battle can go either way – that’s where player skill enters the equation.

You’re entirely wrong.

First, and foremost not only can I outdamage a Ranger on my support Warrior by at least double, to as much as three times during my burst, I also increase my groups DPS because I provide perma Fury, perma 3 stacks of Might, added precision and +10% bonus crit damage from banner, not to mention adding survivability to the group with perma Regen, and perma Swiftness.

Every hit I do, hits harder, as fast, if not faster than the Ranger, and his pet. The pets attack TOO slow, and do not provide consistent damage because; 1) they are easy to dodge or avoid. 2) they die too easy.

The Warrior also beats the Ranger in mobility, because the Warrior has perma swiftness, and equal endruance regen, and get this, the regen food that does not stack with the Rangers 50% endurance regeneration, STACKS WITH THE WARRIORS.

For the Ranger to get better defensive mitigation, they have to give up damage, while the Warrior really does not. Going to 3500 Armor on my Warrior only dropped my Attack to 3200, this is without Ascended gear.

If I can ever get my parser to work, you guys are going to cry when you see the difference.

SilverWF.4789:

no room left ‘Lchr’ nickname…

Do you feel your Ranger is on par with your other classes? I havn’t played the Engineer yet, though fighting them I feel they’re weaker than the Ranger. Although out of the other classes I chose to gear up in Exotics, they all play way better than my Ranger under most circumstances, but most importantly groups. My Ranger brings very little to a group.

Warrior – Much better damage (easily twice as much), faster revives on downed players, perma Swiftness, perma Fury, Perma Regen, Perma 3 stacks of Might, 10% bonus damage to crit hits, and the list could go on.

Guardian – Better damage (easily 50% more damage), pulsing group regen, access denying abilities (blocks a lot of damage to friendlies), a variety of boons, condition cures for the entire group, and the list could go on.

Mesmer – Much better damage (easily twice as much), Staff build allows me to transfer all boons on me, to my entire group (amazing combined with Chaos Storm and Chaos Armor), SEVERAL COMBO FIELDS to improve the groups damage, Null Field, stealth for the entire group, or a portal to surprise your foes, and the list could go on.

Thief Special Note: I do not like the Thief in PvE, but WvW they add; Much better damage (easily three times as much, potentially four times as much), stealth for the entire group to surprise your foes, the best scouting ability in the game, and the list isn’t really big for the Thief.

SilverWF.4789:

jkctmc.8754:

Please add your ideas here as well.

Please, give to Ranger button “Kill all enemies in 3000 radius”, instacast and 10 sec CD
Thank you.

(yes, this is sarcasm after reading 1st post)

I don’t see a Ranger in your signature brother.

They removed healing, and the holy trinity because people cried about not having the skill to down healers, or groups with good healers.

Now you’re crying about the downed state. Come on guys, this is embarassing. How much further do you want PvP to be watered down, so you can compete? They already nerf classes in sPvP because people can’t cope with a full fledged class.

For crying out loud go play a first person shooter if MMOs are too hard for you.

Rampage.7145:

Ranger will win a warrior anytime no warrior buid can, OFC warrior can go full GC and 1 shoot u, but u would have to be very noob. I have both i have warrior anda ranger both fully geared and warrior just can’t roam 1 vs 1 most classes will beat him including ranger, a roamer ranger will just kill almost any class may be not a bunker build but most of the other roamers. If u ever get killed in 1 vs 1 fight by a warrior ranger is just no the class for u. Most of warrior signets are very bad, the shouts are uselss for PvP unless u go with a group… and banners, common, they are the most PVP uselss skill. Take a look at this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBv96A4jbIE
That guys would take any warrior down no matter what build the warrior is running, yeah they can hit hard, but is the only thing they can do right, if u can avoid their burst they are just another mob on the field.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir-Ggm92Q8U
That if u preffer bow
I do agree for PVE warrior is much better all the way tho, more damage and mobs are stupid and wont avoid the heavy damage skills, but WvW, sPVP any skilled ranger will kill any warrior out there.
I am not being bias towards the rnager here tho, i love my warrior and play it all the time even while is terrible for 1 vs 1 killing noobs with 25K killshoots is very very fun, But u have to be in group and make sure nobody targets u cuz if so u will be dead in 3 secs. So, if u like glass cannon stile sniper mode go warrior, but if u like to roam and try find 1vs1/1vs2 fights arround the world go ranger.

You don’t sound knowledgable enough to have both a Warrior, and Ranger. I’d love to duel you with my Warrior so you can prove it.

That video you posted highlights the power of Pain Inverter, an Asuran class ability that does 6k or more damage to the attacker, unless they stop attacking for FIVE SECONDS. It’s both one of the best defensive, or offensive ability in the game, wrapped up in a very short cooldown timer.

Any Ranger, or Guardian with Pain Inverter does not show a classes potential, or lack of potential. It only shows the power of Pain Inverter.

Send me a PM when you want to fight my Rifle Warrior in WvW, and we can get something set up so you can show me rather than tell me.

My group support Warrior doubles any glass canon or beastmastery spec’d Ranger. I sometimes get frustrated when I switch from my Ranger, to my Warrior, and see the damage he can deliver.

I can’t wait to get my parser running correctly so people can see the actual numbers, instead of theorycrafting things they know nothing about.

sceptus.9415:

1. Wish: Get rid of zergs and do something for small group action

There is plenty for small groups, and solo to do. I run solo all the time. We have camps, towers, can knock down outer walls of keeps without putting up crossed swords, can interrupt supply runs people do, to siege up places, or slow/stop reinforcements.

A game should have more options, not fewer, so forgive me when I scoff at the idea of getting rid of zergs, you know those undergeared 80s, the upleveled low levels, all seeking Karma/Xps. I won’t even mention the potential for larger battles and those who enjoy them.

Quit being selfish, and childish and create your own atmosphere, and leave those to their own, and quit complaining that everyone else isn’t playing as you do. It’s hypocritical of you, considering you’re not running solo nearly all the time, like myself, and it would be absurd for me to suggest you do so.

Let’s champion the idea for more content for everyone, not less.

Anet, if you are listening. Some changes you might consider.

Guild Commander Tags – These are tags only guild members can see. Make them show as a gold icon on the map.

Camp upgrades – Allow for more, better upgrades for smaller guilds to defend camps, those guilds who can’t really afford to upgrade towers/keeps. Something like putting up easy to break walls, set up traps, or any number of things.

Character travel time – I thought you had the right idea giving the Ranger, Necro, and Elementalist a full time 25% run speed, even though I didn’t think the Elementalist needed it. But you forgot the two slowest classes in the game, the Guardian, and the Mesmer. Please consider adding a more reliable movement speed for these two classes.

Orbs – These should be keep specific items that are captured, and moved to a keep to strengthen those who fight “inside the keeps”.

Guild buffs placed on claimed keeps – These should be zone wide for the guild.

World vs world should be a FOUR SERVER MATCH UP.

Reward system: Defense reward system kind of sucks because you constantly see the timer tick to zero, while the enemy is still beating on the gate, and you do not get rewarded. This is the best place to reward PUGs, or give PvE players a reason to leave PvE, and defend keeps/towers thier server owns. To encourage more participation in a defense, a person should be rewarded every single time the defense timer ticks to “zero”, even if the enemy is still beating on the wall/gates.

UI Changes: I think the most important UI change should be putting a place where we store our consumables so we don’t have to open our bags to use them. Better yet, if you didn’t want to apply this UI change, allow for us to apply an “auto consume” feature on our foods so that once the duration has run its course, our toons automatically use the consumable again. We had the auto consume feature in Everquest II, and it worked extremely well.

Supplies, more importantly supply runs: The 15 supply buff from guilds should be a 20 supply buff “AT” supply camps, and players should be allowed to assist keep/tower workers in thier upgrades, allowing them to run to a supply camp, pick up supplies, and go click on the “structure” being upgraded inside the keep/tower. That alone would solve a lot of problems for guilds trying to do upgrades.

Road Marker “Banners”: These should emit a pulsing buff (600 radius) for 10 seconds of swiftness, instead of the need to click on them for a buff for 20 seconds of swiftness. This would require more to be used, and allow for a better synergy, with use. Also there is a major bug with these that makes them disappear too early.

A major class change I’d like to see;

Warrior I’m seeing fewer, and fewer banners in WvW, probably because they’re tedious. To assist Warriors out, I thik once they pick up a banner, it should put the banner on thier back, or the back of the person carrying the banner. Allowing for them to carry the banner, and utilize their weapon skill set. This is a UI change, basically making “F8” the banners special buff, like Banner of Disc’s “Fury Buff”, and making “F9” the Banners Swiftness buff. This would allow for one Warrior to provide multiple banners to be moved by multiple people in a large scale fight, without losing the weapons they’ve traited for. It would also be cool if the banners represented the guild the Warrior belongs to.

capuchinseven.8395:

atheria.2837:

capuchinseven.8395:

atheria.2837:

…can’t take down anyone 1v1 in spvp and even in a support role…

Pet issues aside, of which there are many, I’m not sure what class you’re playing because I’m awesome in 1v1 sPVP.

You can say anything you want to in a forum but not many are going to believe you when they know that they are having the same issues as the rest of us.

So you are great? You’re great after the nerf (and it WAS a nerf)?

If so, let’s see some video of your spvp hotjoins and then show is the spec… otherwise, really, you’re just one who just wants to be above everyone else and say “hey they don’t know how to play/spec/monitor the character” wrong, very very wrong.

What the hell are you talking about? We’re a very strong class 1v1. Seriously, we’re very strong 1v1 as many other rangers here would tell you, if you’re not able to stand up to most classes 1v1 with a ranger you’re running a bad build, both our trap and bunker builds are very effective 1v1.

…sorry, I’m giggling a little inside that you tried to somehow “shame” me because you’re bad. 1v1 is one of the few areas rangers don’t have trouble.

Your baddness aside, after playing sPVP all night last night as well as some WvW there is definitely something not right with my pet.

I’m a very good Ranger, on my Ranger as a main toon, but I have never died 1v1 to a Ranger with any of my 5 80s. I havn’t even lost to another Ranger, on my Ranger. I run primarily solo in WvW.

I’m not sure I’d call the class good at one vs one, just stronger than it is when in a group because of what other classes also bring to groups.

OH, and the nerfed state of sPvP, you know the illusion of balance, “so that you can easier deal with the game” isn’t WvW, where you’re not only fighting other players, but often dealing with siege, which can hit as high as 4,000 in one hit. That’s where classes shine, or die honestly.

Every time I run sPvP, it is a boring bunker vs bunker, low damage, long drawn out boring fights, that if people were really good, the fight would never end. I’m always accused of hacking when I sPvP. hah!!

On my new Mesmer at 75 the other night I fought a 80 Thief to a draw, after a five minute fight, and get this. The entire time we were fighting in front of the tower, I was dodging an uplevel who was raining an Arrow Cart on top of me. sPvP…. lol……

I’d be more than happy to duel you on any of my classes in world vs world, if you honestly think there are no issues with the Ranger, and think they are truly strong in a one vs one situation.

Send me a PM.

If you do think there are issues with Rangers, and that things need to be fixed, join in on this thread…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Changes-the-Ranger-needs-for-WVW/first

… and add your own feedback instead of chest thumping you’re the best player in the world, and if you can be good on a Ranger, they’re fine. So either back up your forum warrior nonsense, or be more productive, and help us get this class fixed.

I’ve also noticed a 10 second cooldown on Sigil of Purity, that wasn’t there before.

Toble.2968:

Also, It’s that time again guys!

I will be on at 7pm est tonight and will be accepting PMs for fight club!

Love me a good fight club!

Paxa, you can come too, just don’t crash a bunch of times and show how kitten you are in some small group v groups.

:) PM me!

Crapola, I might be working.

The culling this time around is far worse for me.

My X58A-UD3R motherboard sports the following;

Intel Core i7 “960” 3.2
Radeon 6850 1GB Graphics Card
6GB Super Talent Ram
Kingston HyperX 120GB SSD

Last night, I got obstruction, with someone on a hill. O.O

Godfather.8217:

Your all silly,

anyhow, SOS had our guild event yesterday, karma/xp grind, and both server made it difficult to roam around, good job on that, we kept encountering your zergs against our low level alts.

We finally decided to do some defense training, and parked ourselves at briar in bp. Was alot of epic fights, all servers took part in, Paxa, good job on coming behind bp forces, i had the oppurtunity to video some of the epicness, i’ll post for all servers to watch. I eventually fell asleep though so I don’t know when exactly we lost the tower.

overall it was a great job by all, our alts leveled from defending, and it was fun countering all the trebs.

I had the night off last night, and was worried about having action this late in the week, but it was awesome.

I got my baby Mesmer to 80, now to work on his gear.

lol… Trying to run a Karma train for low levels, and NSP has a huge group in thier borderlands.

I think what puts the nail in the coffin for me is that I purchased four games. One for me, my wife, and my two older boys. My wife, and two boys quit, with my boys playing League of Legends again, and Diablo 3. GW2 for my wife has pretty much allowed her to give up MMOs period, and she hasn’t played another game since.

That leaves me. I really hope they take things serious, or this is going to be another failed MMO like Age of Conan, and other titles that ended up in the same situation.

Yes it will be a make or break deal for me depending on if they fix the Ranger, or not.

I’ve played Minecraft with my younger kids for a couple days, and didn’t miss GW2 the entire time.

I wanted to bang my head against the wall once I realized that.

I have a much easier time with elementalists than you do, but you have a much easier time with thieves than I do, or you fight a lot of thieves who have fewer stealth utilities up.

I might try to find a hybrid build between my condition build, and your build.

Well played, good fights. I enjoyed watching the video.

So I’ve been leveling a Mesmer lately, and he is now 76. Last night at level 75 I was running solo, and killing other 80s with some determination, never losing a single one vs one.

Two out of three times I escaped a well known group of players who’re good when they encountered me killing a Ranger (ironically all three times). Even better, their Thief, who is extremely good, and has killed my 80 Ranger seperated from his group, and gave me a one vs one on my Mesmer.

Upleveled, in level 50ish gear on my 75 Mesmer I fought this good player on a Thief, who is fully geared in Exotics, and Ascended gear to a stand still. I couldn’t kill him, and he couldn’t kill me.

I’m sorry, but after a full night on a Mesmer, mid 70s, with level 50ish gear on solo, fighting a lot of 80s, sometimes in pairs (I won many 2v1), or trios (I lost every 3v1) and doing so well only highlighted the issues that Rangers have.

I do well on my Ranger, but when I play him it is as if I’m not allowed to make a mistake against other good players. I’ve leveled, and fully geared an 80 Ranger, Warrior, Thief, and Guardian, and now with a baby Mesmer, and done so extremely well on them all, but more than tripled what I could do as a Ranger with all the other toons.

The developers need to quit being so quiet about the Ranger.

Should I feel bad that I’d rather play Minecraft with my younger children, rather than play my Ranger some nights?

Osif;

Tell the PAXA Thief thanks for that fight at the ruins near Champions, in AR. This was about 11:15pm central time (Tuesday). Fought him for an unreal amount of time on my baby Mesmer, only to see another Mesmer show up from WAR, so I sat and watched them fight. He killed the other Mesmer, we bow, and go our own ways.

Was an awesome fight, and gave me a newfound respect for the Mesmer.

Not long after that, I was trying to gank another Ranger, and the PAXA group almost got me, saving the Ranger, but got away. Sorry I ran towards the zerg for safety, just couldn’t handle the odds solo.

That’s the one thing that annoys me about MMOs in general. I do not, nor will I ever understand the need for someone to cheat.

DaisyRogers.6837:

jkctmc.8754:

Ultravalefor.5038:

jkctmc.8754:

I just dueled another Ranger five times, him using Drake, me my Wolf/Panther, and the Drakes never hit me once.

Still a worthless pet in WvW against a player who doesn’t stand there to take a hit.

Why don’t more Rangers use Guard? Is it because it doesn’t state on the tooltip “Stealths your pet for 10 seconds.” ? It does SO much to help alleviate the problem of pets always missing the target and the cooldown is 24 seconds, I think. Short.
It’s one of the best abilities around for 1v1s, especially if you’re beastmaster spec.

Tell your friend to make his drake invisible before he tries to burst you with it, see if those duel results change. I haven’t tried the new drake, probably won’t (have moved on from this broken mess), but if it’s as strong as people are reporting, how much stronger would it be undetected until it’s too late?

side note.. who else is seriously disappointed in anet for guardian changes? I don’t play that class, but we asked for them to make spirits like spirit weapons, not spirit weapons like spirits. some dev has got the biggest trollface right now

It won’t change anything. One trap, and the pet can not catch me to even have a chance to hit me.

why you always pair with CC and force your opponent to move towards your pet (obviously easiest with melee).

Fought a Mesmer yesterday that has done something no other player has ever done, that I’ve fought.

HE KILLED MY PET!! With 30 in Beastmastery, he shredded my pet(s), before I could do much damage to him, and because I’m defense/BM spec, I had to run, and it’s a good thing I’m a Norn who uses Snow Leopard religiously in WvW now.

Our pets are as weak as ever, and it kind of sucks people are ok with how bad they are. Those vocal few might prevent us from getting the buffs to our pets that we deserve, and need.

As for why I always pair everything with CC, well PvP isn’t done against dummies, but instead against players who you know, think rather than PvE mobs that are predictable. Crowd Control is a major factor in WvW, and people need to realize that.

Anvil Pants.3426:

jkctmc.8754:

Anvil Pants.3426:

jkctmc.8754:

osif.8673:

Zergs are fine. Individuals from zergs that trash talk small groups are not.

Agreed.

Can you go back to saying things I don’t (also) agree with, so that I can go back to crafting smarmy/jerk responses?

Thanks!

I’ll say anything you’d like, if you craft for me. O.O

Perhaps… but, I don’t have enough Mystic Coins to bribe Zommoros into being pleased with you.

lol…………………..

Anvil Pants.3426:

jkctmc.8754:

osif.8673:

Zergs are fine. Individuals from zergs that trash talk small groups are not.

Agreed.

Can you go back to saying things I don’t (also) agree with, so that I can go back to crafting smarmy/jerk responses?

Thanks!

I’ll say anything you’d like, if you craft for me. O.O

GrandmaFunk.3052:

jkctmc.8754:

TCMM from AR went to NSP end of last week. I have a feeling some of them got the ban stick though.

Saw 1 NSP TCMM hanging out with 3 AR TCMM last night in our Borderlands, seems like whoever transferred just came to spy.

At this point I’m hoping the reset drops us down to tier7, we really do not have the numbers to compete with AR.

I don’t want to see NSP drop to tier 7. You guys have the most solos I’ve encountered against any other server, and would hate to lose this awesome matchup between AR, BP, and NSP.

What I wish would happen is to see NSP get at least 60 more active players, and AR get gain 30ish active players since we lost quite a few the last two weeks.

That alone would make things a lot better, in my opinion.

We need to keep the ideas flowing here.

Ultravalefor.5038:

jkctmc.8754:

I just dueled another Ranger five times, him using Drake, me my Wolf/Panther, and the Drakes never hit me once.

Still a worthless pet in WvW against a player who doesn’t stand there to take a hit.

Why don’t more Rangers use Guard? Is it because it doesn’t state on the tooltip “Stealths your pet for 10 seconds.” ? It does SO much to help alleviate the problem of pets always missing the target and the cooldown is 24 seconds, I think. Short.
It’s one of the best abilities around for 1v1s, especially if you’re beastmaster spec.

Tell your friend to make his drake invisible before he tries to burst you with it, see if those duel results change. I haven’t tried the new drake, probably won’t (have moved on from this broken mess), but if it’s as strong as people are reporting, how much stronger would it be undetected until it’s too late?

side note.. who else is seriously disappointed in anet for guardian changes? I don’t play that class, but we asked for them to make spirits like spirit weapons, not spirit weapons like spirits. some dev has got the biggest trollface right now

It won’t change anything. One trap, and the pet can not catch me to even have a chance to hit me.

osif.8673:

Zergs are fine. Individuals from zergs that trash talk small groups are not.

Agreed.

Zergs;

Guys quit hating on the zergs, and this also goes for PAXA as well. Many who run in Zergs are upleveled, or undergeared 80s sporting green, and yellow armor/weapons. There is no possible way they could compete with others in full Exotics, and more experience with their toons. They just can’t, and I wouldn’t expect them too.

I still try to run around solo as an undergeared toon, when on a lowbie, but finally I have to understand, I just can’t always compete until I’m geared on that toon, and I’ve leveled 4 80s in WvW alone, and working on my 5th 80. I’ll sometimes take my upleveled/undergeared toon to a Zerg to get Karma/Xps because you just can’t get better anywhere else in the game, and I refuse to PvE. How good is it? My newest toon is now level 71, and has earned enough Karma to buy 4 pieces of Exotic armor from the Orr merchants.

So please quit hating on the Zergs, they serve a purpose.

ekleenex.1654:

jkctmc.8754:

ekleenex.1654:

So wait… PAXA talks “trash” and zergs hunt them?

<insert trash talk about AR and BP>

Come hunt us, zerg!

I love Sekz, you guys feed me badges, even when I’m outmanned. <grins>

You guys are fun to fight. This night I got a PuG group defending that supply camp nearby to get you to chase them, and I would kill any who got too far away from your group.

Haha, I remember that. We were so bored… :p

I was too that night, and I thank you guys a lot for being good sports to play with me. You finally got me when I ran into the tunnels near there, realizing it had flipped in your favor, and was no longer in mine. <grins>