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Eh, all it takes is a little bit of momentum in FA’s favor and its really hard to stop them :P They start manifesting a significant oceanic presence out of thin air! (Last week anyone?)
DPS PRO and AVTR have been going strong on FA for weeks now.
…months. 
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Whilst I wouldn’t deny that this nerf was harsh, I would observe that on their podcast, either Kylia or Pyroatheist said that their guild was running W3 with something like a 50-75% glamour mesmer count… That strikes me as a sure sign something is too powerful….
Edit: I’ve played mesmer since BW3 – its my main and favorite class by far…Well we ran that many as that was the group composition we ended up with
I think I died a little when I logged on tonight and saw the damage on cry of frustration at 180, time to number crunch and see if there is any way to salvage an awesome game mechanic that is unique to GW2.
Hey Kylia, were you in WvW last night? We were on TCBL, ran across a AVTR group near Bay/Briar/Vale (still a bunch running glamour looks like)… for those that are saying confusion is ok… as a mesmer, I completely ignored both confusion and retaliation, didn’t even have to think, and never died while fighting one of the premier (IMO) glamour mesmer groups in the game. I kept skill spamming, saw pink numbers poofing doing next to nothing to me, and the group heals negated the effect completely.
Bottom line, IMHO, confusion in its current state isn’t good for anything other than supplemental damage and/or tagging people in WvW. It certainly doesn’t make a difference in a fight.
Yep was around for a short period of time getting some video footage of multi confusion mesmers so I could review damage output at high stack levels.
Whilst I wouldn’t deny that this nerf was harsh, I would observe that on their podcast, either Kylia or Pyroatheist said that their guild was running W3 with something like a 50-75% glamour mesmer count… That strikes me as a sure sign something is too powerful….
Edit: I’ve played mesmer since BW3 – its my main and favorite class by far…
Well we ran that many as that was the group composition we ended up with I seem to attract mesmers on my server (who knows why!) and of course adapted my group composition to match. Was it because it was too powerful? More because those were the classes we were dealt
I think I died a little when I logged on tonight and saw the damage on cry of frustration at 180, time to number crunch and see if there is any way to salvage an awesome game mechanic that is unique to GW2.
Pyro and I cover this in our theorycraft podcast
http://sittingonacouch.com/the-gw2-mesmer-podcast-mesmerized-theorycrafting-mesmer-numbers/
excel documents included
I know crit doesn’t affect confusei, im just listing the stats I have 30 in illusion so that’s 8 right there+5 from scept, then a chaos field usually up around 13-18 easy
Ok well thats confusing, why would you include a stat that has nothing to do with your point or with confusion? And then leave out other stats that are key to achieving the point you are trying to make? Oh well, you have successfully applied confusion on the Forums (guess that wasn’t nerfed )
For those that are interested I will be doing some extensive testing over the next few days (at work atm – Oceanic) and I’m sure Pyro and I will discuss the findings on our next Podcast for those that are interested!
But the BEST PART, was when you were able to push to the bridge leading to the lord’s room, cover each other while siege got put up, multiple times, and repeatedly/conveniently stack on the right and left sides of the lords room without laying a finger on each other – only to still repeatedly wipe trying to push, portal, siege, and tag-team your way into a Hills cap.
Well…..either way, after all was said and done – I had a blast farming both of you repeatedly, and the bounty was greatly appreciated ~ But most importantly thank you for the several hours of footage i can now go back over to use as a general guide on everything not to do when attempting to take Hills.
So yea, thanks for the fantastic end to my evening/morning ~ it was ALL greatly appreciated =)
Sour much… We saw a great fight to be had with all three servers, TC defending the toughest keep to take, can’t understand why your not just proud that you defended multiple attacks, but instead felt the need to put down the other side, you must be one of these “troll” people that I keep hearing about.
To everyone else in the double long siege, Amazing work TC, you guys did brilliantly! DB, fun racing you to inner and then seeing both our bloods run red! And FA, hope you had as much fun as I did
ok its official……there where no winners at hills on TCBL…….the amount of time lost and the lag was insane also lol. but seriously I was having a blast for the first 6 days of the assault lol but congrats TC on holding, I guess you have earned some of my respect.
Actually, I think we won.
Round two…. fight!
Lies!
(I may or may not have changed the hue on my monitor to make it look more purple)
To clarify; I’m looking for advice on the what the future of large group Mesmer builds will be. Talking 15+ here, minimum.
Wait, there are other guilds out there that run 15+ mesmers in a group?
Oh you talking about a single mesmer in a group of 15+!
The great thing about the Mesmer is we can do alot, I’ve seen some great support builds that scale really well with larger groups, I’ve also seen solo style builds like the Immortal build being used really well also.
To best answer your question, we would need to know the group composition, the best mesmers are the ones that synergize with the group, or have a group that synergizes with them. For a random pick up group, glam was easy to use as it did not take much forthought in regards to synergy, if you still want something similar, I would suggest looking down one of the support builds (that we have many) because a support build is more likely to be synergetic in a larger variety of group compositions than any other build.
Hrmmm
Nothing like waking up sat morning to some news like this!
What does Kylia think about it, well we had a good run, from launch till now the glam build had not been touched, of course when a build gets more and more popular, complainers like good old ARM get louder and louder and companies like Anet tend to listen to the whiners, after all they are the loudest.
I have no quams with the change (Have a few builds that I made incase a situation like this ever happened) after all a great build will eventually get nerfed, its what happens. )even when it relies on the enemies stupidity )
Just sad that whiners who don’t know how to play are the root cause, as the french say “Cest la vie”
Remember that us Mesmer’s are the “Specialists” of the game, luckily thats a plural so we have lots of other choices as people like ARM will soon find out, and of course begin the crying wolf again
Kylia Will be there
Just got a chance to listen to the second fan questions episode – great stuff. Thanks for answering so many questions!
I learn a lot from every episode – keep up the great work
Our pleasure, keep the questions rolling and we will keep answering them
Also if you have an idea that would make a great episode, great section or even just a great statement, let us know, send Pyro or Kylia a PM on the forums and it might appear on an episode!
Hi everyone, I will be running a second Commander focused podcast, if there is anything you would like me to talk about, shed insight etc, please send me a PM on the forums and I will do my best to address the subject
AVTR is by far the commanding influence during this timeslot. Their meta-game is smart, they can maximize ppt by splitting up and hitting multiple objectives, they have one major zergball running on one map and a decent zerg running in another. They also hop maps to reinforce each other really well.
Though I love the shoutout, AVTR has been and is a 50man guild. With at most in our prime days with 20 online at most.
20 people doesn’t equal a zerg ball + decent zerg on another…Numbers are always subjective and hard to confirm, and I think this was mostly written during the “Culling Era” where it was even harder.
If you regularly run with 2 Commanders on multiple maps leading mixed forces it would still apply
It would be true if we did run two commanders.
I wonder what the affect would be on WvW if you couldn’t pass through another player. I’d consider restricting player movement through opponents and friendlies alike.
Might not be good to implement for friendlies because of trolls, though you can see immediately that for people to zerg, they’d effectively be trapping themselves / losing mobility options. That may discourage mass zerging somewhat.
By making it impossible to move through an opponent might eliminate or restrict the zergs ability to roll over opponents w/o killing them first. There is never a “300” moment in this game where a smaller force could at least prevent a larger from moving through an area. The big zergs don’t even operate on the notion of killing you as an individual. It’s more about owning a plot of ground than killing.
If zergs were no longer able to physically pass through each other, I think you’d see much better battles w/ impromptu battle lines. The geography would be much more important. Think of the implications for portal-bombs. I’d really like ANet to consider this idea. It’s a game changer.
This was done with Warhammer Online, nothing like making a human door and then trying to hold them off
Guy’s and gal’s let me know if you want another commander podcast(and let me know what you want to know about (PM me, its easier to keep track of!), or if there is anything else you would like to hear about too
Thx for the help. The skill seems to fail every now and then, so I’m trying to figure out why.
It’s only got a 900 range, so make sure your not out of range when the cast ‘finishes’.
Very, very useful. Thanks a lot.
We do our best
How can you get 3stacks / glamour field?
All i ever get is 1 =(
Theres a video on my channel that shows how to do it
Theres a wonderful post that is stickies that has links to all the known builds
Enjoy
Also, GG to the FA that just took SM. We had no supply left anywhere in SM, so couldn’t really get anything built to take out the catas. Plus with KN’s zerg still on the north, we barely had the manpower to wipe out either group. KN must have been kitten seeing as they spent a while in there only to lose it so easily to FA.
We thought we would visit EB, don’t really get to visit there much
Don’t worry the youtube version will be up this week.
I’ll be out of footage soon the way we are going with podcast releases
Get them from your GUESTS!!! :P No one cares about how you play!!! I want to see OsciCAt wooohooa
He does have youtube and 4 gig video’s from half way around the world :O
Its ok you’ll get to see Pyro soon
Thank you for answering some of my questions. I’m hoping the condition damage versus condition duration question is being saved for another time (fingers crossed). I also really appreciated the little tidbit Kylia threw in there about not stacking toughness beyond 1500 and how it balances with vitality. That’s the kind of information that really helps in playing with different gear options.
I played WOW for almost 7 years so it’s been hard for me to wrap my brain around no difinitive diminishing returns (before 100%) on things like crit. I’m so used to having to factor in internal cooldowns that make it pointless to stack some stats beyond a certain point. I guess overall it doesn’t matter as this isn’t really a min/max kind of game but I sort of miss that.
P.S. Kylia are there any alternative gear options for your new build, named gear sets get a little expensive for us peons that just want to test before making a 10-20g commitment to a build.
Rabid gear can be obtained from orr karma vendors, twilight arbor, caudecus manor, honor of the waves, and arah.
Edit: Also from wvw badges, as per the most recent patch I believe.
New build doesn’t use Rabid
I have yet to find any items, if I do, I’ll make sure to let you know!
Don’t worry the youtube version will be up this week.
I’ll be out of footage soon the way we are going with podcast releases
i use the glamour build but i got a problem everytime i play against a zerk or 1v1 or 1vmore if the problem is that if i play everything is on cooldown i cant do anything anymore after i did every combo do you got some advise for me becous its really anoying and slow
Glamor at the advanced levels is really about timings, even though it is extremely fun and you can get loads of good confusion hits in a short period of times, playing in the 1v1 space or prolonged battles is really about knowing your timings and using them when opportunity presents itself. In a Zerg situation you can end up doing alot more damage by spacing out your glam fields, also don’t forget that if your packing the scepter, your confusing images which is on a short cool down and now does aoe style damage is brilliant against zergs while waiting for your glass to come up.
In the 1v1 situation you want to save your big confuse hits for when it best suits the enemies potential burst attacks.
Hope this helps
A little mesmerness. :-)
A lot of mesmerness
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Mexican standoff in Hills against all three servers? LOL!!! Awesome!!! IN TC BL!!
What puzzled us was why TC turned and left. From everything we could see they had the largest numbers of the three of us.
Checked the video and still can’t see any visible reason for leaving, whoever was there from TC could you let us know please
Tbh I haven’t really seen a lot of great Mesmer commander’s since they really lack the ability to frontline/charge in. This is usually better for frontliners. However, since the Mesmer is so kitten slow it actually helps the zerg / large group stick together much better.
Check out some of my video’s. Mesmer and Commander, and 90% of the time in the front line
where can I watch?
Link should be in my Sig, but here it is as well
Tbh I haven’t really seen a lot of great Mesmer commander’s since they really lack the ability to frontline/charge in. This is usually better for frontliners. However, since the Mesmer is so kitten slow it actually helps the zerg / large group stick together much better.
Check out some of my video’s. Mesmer and Commander, and 90% of the time in the front line
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