Guild Wars 2

saiyr.3071:

video or you’re a lion

Just converting the video file at the moment, lucky for me I video all my game play

dreztina.4820:

kylia.4813:

That’s now twice today that OG members have tried to kill me and then decided to run…. 1v1. (of course this was after I killed one of their ele’s) Come on OG!!!! currently running around DB with a 3 man group. Lets do this

What? I killed you twice. The only time you beat me was the first fight when I didn’t know you were confusion. The reason the thief and I left was out of respect instead of 2v1ing you. If that’s a problem, it won’t happen again.

The thief engaged me in an attack, but then left, I saw you sitting there which I respected, but figured he would want to finish the fight.

Also first fight I won yes, second and third you ran away, 4 and 5 you won, trying to understand the logic of the run away, when I hear so much about OG, i would rather die then run away… I guess us Aussies don’t like to run away.

That’s now twice today that OG members have tried to kill me and then decided to run…. 1v1. (of course this was after I killed one of their ele’s) Come on OG!!!! currently running around DB with a 3 man group. Lets do this

Thresher.3049:

In WAR* there was the Praag map which was basically a sacked medieval city, nothing like running around the corner and slamming into 30 angry people, then having to bail down the nearest alleyway!

*aside from that, the game was 80% garbage, but the map was good!

+! Praag had some of the most awesome battles of all time, as well as being able to create new and interesting tactics.

Gorath.5076:

Where is that kitten ‘LIKE’ button when it would once be usefull …

Great infos guys! You just made my day by giving me a ton of new input to think about for my glamour build

One question though:
How much condition damage do I have to stack to be effective with this? Cause full Carrion + Berserker leaves you with almost no passive defines …
And is it compulsory to go into Duelling rather than Inspiration for the cd reduction?
@playandchill you said you would loose too much crit + crit damage. But Confusion cant Crit anyway, right?

-Conditions do not crit.
- length of confusion > confusion damage. (As per the spreadsheet 10% length is worth 150-200 condition damage
- not essential to go into dueling, but then your in a diff Glam build

Kazhiel.8194:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Blind on glamour trait actually only occurs when you first place the glamour. You get 1 hit of blindness this way. With the confusion on blind trait, this provides 1 stack of confusion for 5 seconds. The confusion on glamour fields trait causes 1 stack of 4s confusion every time someone enters or exits the area. These effects are applied independently of one another.

Thought that confusion on glamour trait caused 5 secs of confusion. So what you’re saying is having both traited to confuse would cause 9 seconds of confusion? I played glamour mesmer using kylia’s build for a while but that’s been a long time ago, it doesn’t seem like I remember people getting confusion lasting that long.

I’ll get the maths out later but my avg confusion tick is around the 7sec mark

in the wiki – http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Confusion

PvE and WvW: 10 + (1.5 * Level) + (0.15 * Condition Damage) per stack

sPvP: 65 + (0.075 * Condition Damage) per stack

Lower damage

playandchill.3908:

I dont really like the 5% chance to fear. Personal preference i guess i ll remplace it for a gem.

So basically superior nighmares are even more better than you thought if we go with 5x sup runes + 1 gem.

P.S. fear = lack of enemy control of direction, can be very usefull to force people to move through glam fields

When leading groups some of my common orders issues include

“To Spawn”
and
“Take Portal”

Well one night (I may have had a drink or two) I yelled out to our 20 man group “Sportal, sportal!!!”

I am now reminded on a daily basis when I issue a to spawn or take portal, by hearing one or two guildies immidiatly say “sportal”. :O

With the glam 20% Cooldown reduction you can maintain portals up for a total of 97% uptime

but thats got nothing to do with this build, just point of fact

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkXSlFKEkur9dDMtQ3NqUldMMWZiM0lRSHNSc05DckE&usp=sharing

So quick and dirty theorycraft based on autoattack average of all classes and all weapons, showing the increase in damage based on +50 condition increments Versus +.33 second increments (10%).

Hopefully this should show you the benefit of the extra 10% Vs the 50 odd condition your getting from the undead rune (again this rune only becomes viable in damage output if your stacking toughness.)

Of course the more people you hit, the bigger the gap will get.

So I will again suggest you review your use of Undead to really get the most out of this build

Happy to help, after all Glam has been my best friend since September
I’ve also got a video on how to get maximum confusion from veil on my channel as well if your interested (October build update)

And if you want to do some theorycraft I can show you the numbers where the rune swap would increase your builds damage output significantly

Thanks for your reply, some intresting numbers, codition damage does not equal actual output of damage, 6.66 condition damage = 1 point of damage. so 100 condition damage equates to a total of 15 more damage. With condition damage/confusion its all about scalability, since your getting a multiplier based on stacks and based on a short duration. With your build which limits the total stack burst, getting more time for those stacks to have uptime will drasticly increase the damage output versus a few more points of damage from some extra condition damage.
Of course this is based off a modified ROE formula based on the stats you provided along with the skills/cooldowns and potential uptimes, to maximise the potential damage of your build.

Portal and veil, I would suggest investigating it a little more

Hi Lani,
A couple of questions, thoughts on your build:

Can you help me to understand why you would go for the Undead runes if your not stacking Toughness with your items, Undead shines when you are pushing toughness, if your pushing other stats, your better off with another rune set.

With this build I’d probably personally go Adventurer or Nightmare.

Also with your low condition damage I’d potentially rethink the Tuning crystal, again as your not going for a toughness heavy build, you can maximise the damage output of this build with another secondary food slot. (running 894 condition when typical confusion builds are running near the 2000)

Lastly I would suggest making mention of the use of portals and veil to maximise glam distribution, especially since both have the chance to increase the output of your confusion (with the traits you have listed) more than feedback or null field. (this is after all meant to be the all round glam build )

Temp Curtain is amazing to stop a rezzer, gives you enough time to finish them off before they get them up

Suprised my condition build is not up there.

Kylia’s Confusion Mesmer Build – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N736Yg57RcQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

jportell.2197:

Please do. I would love for someone to give me a reason to wield a scepter. Its the only weapon I haven’t really given a chance yet.

http://www.youtube.com/kyliad

20+ video’s using Scepter from October to current.

Updated. 12345

Heijincks.9267:

Oozo.7856:

Heijincks.9267:

The formula for confusion is this:
PvE and WvW: 10 + (1.5 * Level) + (0.15 * Condition Damage) per stack

At level 80, and assuming the mesmer went all out condition and has 1000 condition damage, each stack does 280 damage.

Not bad. You are only off by about 1000 condition damage in your calculations. Put in 2000 condition damage and run your numbers again.

If someone stacks purely condition damage to get 2000 (not even sure if that’s possible even with full rabid, undead runes, food, and tuning crystals) then the only thing you’d have to worry about is that condition damage. The physical damage would be laughable at most so waiting out the condition damage would actually then be practical.

Which incidentally would make that a L2P issue.

2000 is easily possible, that said a good condition build is built on more than just condition damage

Oozo.7856:

kylia.4813:

Ross Biddle.2367:

kylia.4813:

jkctmc.8754:

kylia.4813:

kazi.6438:

Also, I have never seen confusion reach 4-5k damage. If someone was actually able to do that, they deserve a medal.

Can I have a medal please.

3rd fight against Warrior (the highest I’ve gotten on video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMI_MzO52lw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

That 7k Confusion tick makes me want to respec my Mesmer. O.O

Check out the other video’s while your there

Just wait until you apply all that confusion and your enemy decides to transfer his newly gifted conditions back to you. You’ll never have so much respect for your build until that day

Rule 1 when making a build:

1. Know how to defeat your build

Just watched your movie. I guess it’s a good thing that you are playing a class that doesn’t require good movement while using abilities since you mouseclick your utlities, your shatters, and some times your weapon skills.

Always room for improvement

Ross Biddle.2367:

kylia.4813:

jkctmc.8754:

kylia.4813:

kazi.6438:

Also, I have never seen confusion reach 4-5k damage. If someone was actually able to do that, they deserve a medal.

Can I have a medal please.

3rd fight against Warrior (the highest I’ve gotten on video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMI_MzO52lw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

That 7k Confusion tick makes me want to respec my Mesmer. O.O

Check out the other video’s while your there

Just wait until you apply all that confusion and your enemy decides to transfer his newly gifted conditions back to you. You’ll never have so much respect for your build until that day

Rule 1 when making a build:

1. Know how to defeat your build

jkctmc.8754:

kylia.4813:

kazi.6438:

Also, I have never seen confusion reach 4-5k damage. If someone was actually able to do that, they deserve a medal.

Can I have a medal please.

3rd fight against Warrior (the highest I’ve gotten on video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMI_MzO52lw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

That 7k Confusion tick makes me want to respec my Mesmer. O.O

Check out the other video’s while your there

kazi.6438:

Also, I have never seen confusion reach 4-5k damage. If someone was actually able to do that, they deserve a medal.

Can I have a medal please.

3rd fight against Warrior (the highest I’ve gotten on video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMI_MzO52lw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Lanimal.6541:

Mad respect for that AVTR guild composition of Glamor Mesmers. Only guild we are genuinely wiping to in FA. Are you guys originally from IoJ?

That would be us

Score update for those of us stuck at work please!

RockonHarder.7235:

Kaleden.9386:

You can also only claim once the Righteous Indignation buff is gone/nearly gone (ie, 4+ minutes after your team has claimed an objective).

that something i didn’t know very good information.

Actually what happens is the game figures out which of the guilds that helped in the taking of the location had the first claim to the camp/keep/etc.
I ‘believe’ it is worked out based on total number of your guilds players present against the total number of players in your guild, to give you a %. the guild present with the best % of active present players of thier guild gets a 3min window to claim the objective before the objective is open to anyone that wants to claim it.

The only unsure fact in the above is the calculation, but after much testing its the closest we have come to the calc.

Either way, you can claim the objective right away if your are the eligible guild.

Have changed the topic name from "Mesmer Video’s – Post your video to Mesmer Video Comendium.
To beter describe this thread.

Ok will try one more time to keep this updated. Still don’t understand how this thread does not warrent being stickied?

The WvW commander tag IMO should be based on ep earned while leading a group (very similar to how Planetside 1 did it)
This would mean only if you were able to lead successfull groups (hence one with ppl who actually joined and followed, would you then gain its benefits)
The two elements of the commander tag should be split from PvE and WvW, as both serve very different purposes and require different skill sets in the player.

my 2c.

score update per chance?

13 AVTR (plus 3 Pugs) against 22+ DB (22 tagged kills) (only a mesmer so can’t tag them all)

Good fight
o/

dreztina.4820:

So far this is a pretty terrible matchup. I really hope this is just opening day behavior and it’s not like this the entire week.

Welcome to he first tier where the first day does not dictate if you win the week.
Oh it seems you’ll fit in as a suitable replacement for CDs forum warriors.

Back on topic. Score update anyone? Can’t wait to test out Mags oceanic times lot *grin

thatguynz.7819:

selan.8354:

Rskippy.3620:

selan.8354:

yup yup. I had a blast running around with AVTR, Ua and DPS last night…Golemrush was crazy! PRO always has fun when playing and since we got the transfers the morale of FA has gone up so much.We used to have people on our own server that tried to sabotage FA with siege cap and using all supplies up, because they wanted to go down a tier

Haha running in collaboration with PRO has been a pleasure since the move, and that golem rush was nuts.. we have had similar when we were on IoJ but it was mainly an individual who would do it for exploiting free transfers.

PS. I wonder if uA have gotten sunny hill yet?

ahahahaha.wow we took bay, cliffside and garrison the whole time they were working on sunnyhill. XD

Btw i think FA should have a party or something to celebrate the new arrivals, with tons of guildbanquets :-)

Mind you in fairness, they did a tremendous job of diverting focus so that said keeps could be captured with less opposition to worry about

+1. Love uA and even Jet sometimes, but don’t tell that, it will go to his head

selan.8354:

Rskippy.3620:

selan.8354:

yup yup. I had a blast running around with AVTR, Ua and DPS last night…Golemrush was crazy! PRO always has fun when playing and since we got the transfers the morale of FA has gone up so much.We used to have people on our own server that tried to sabotage FA with siege cap and using all supplies up, because they wanted to go down a tier

Haha running in collaboration with PRO has been a pleasure since the move, and that golem rush was nuts.. we have had similar when we were on IoJ but it was mainly an individual who would do it for exploiting free transfers.

PS. I wonder if uA have gotten sunny hill yet?

ahahahaha.wow we took bay, cliffside and garrison the whole time they were working on sunnyhill. XD

Btw i think FA should have a party or something to celebrate the new arrivals, with tons of guildbanquets :-)

Loved the reaction time from PRO when we had a mes in Garry while we were holding off CDs rush on hills

If you check the map its actually DB that wiped CD to 0. Its just one vocal FA claiming it was us.
DB has done a big push tonight. We are on defence right now.

Only a WvW player presses “B” when they log in.

Only a WvW player knows if they are Green, Red or Blue.

Back to Topic?
Current scores -

Heinel.6548:

kylia.4813:

Turkey.3605:

Today….

kylia.4813:

lune.5892:

kylia.4813:

Of course you would have to be someone that doesn’t only think about winning to understand that our goal was to be with people we thought would be fun, instead of worrying about being in a server that will always win.

Shouldn’t you be telling this to the people over at Isles of Aspenwood?

Already have Lune, already have. And the good thing about FA is that they feel the same way, people and community first, winning second
(from what I’ve seen and heard anyway)

14 days ago…..

kylia.4813:

Mif.3471:

Deathdom.8250:

So we got a bunch of fair weather players from IOJ?

How little you know….

Since weekly WvW matches started on the 15th of September, IoJ has won 2 matches. One was a blowout against an imploding ET, and the other was the first week of our current matchup.

As a result, all the fair weather players left IoJ months ago.

The IoJ players that remain do not give up if they’re not leading, nor do they care if they’re outmanned. I doubt most even care if they win. They’re battle hardened and they fight for every last keep, every last dolyak.

Many servers like to say they never give up. None have proven it like IoJ has.

QFT

Couldn’t have said it better myself!

Exactly, any fair weathered left ages ago, the ones (like the ones that transferred to FA) are not in it to win, glad to see someone on CD understands this.
Thank you

I think you misunderstood the post you’re thanking. It quoted two inconsistent statement from your server.

Maybe in your mind you rationalized some of this behavior, but in the end of the day. You’re sick of being the underdog, you’re sick of fighting impossible odds, and hence you are yearning for a change. ie. To win, for once.

It’s a valid stance. I don’t think any of us in CD would criticize you just for this, but painting it as entirely something else just makes us think you weak-willed. Just like those FA who so love to delude themselves whenever things don’t turn out the way they’d liked.

:)
I am governed more than just myself, Running a guild doesn’t mean I always get what I want.

Turkey.3605:

Today….

kylia.4813:

lune.5892:

kylia.4813:

Of course you would have to be someone that doesn’t only think about winning to understand that our goal was to be with people we thought would be fun, instead of worrying about being in a server that will always win.

Shouldn’t you be telling this to the people over at Isles of Aspenwood?

Already have Lune, already have. And the good thing about FA is that they feel the same way, people and community first, winning second
(from what I’ve seen and heard anyway)

14 days ago…..

kylia.4813:

Mif.3471:

Deathdom.8250:

So we got a bunch of fair weather players from IOJ?

How little you know….

Since weekly WvW matches started on the 15th of September, IoJ has won 2 matches. One was a blowout against an imploding ET, and the other was the first week of our current matchup.

As a result, all the fair weather players left IoJ months ago.

The IoJ players that remain do not give up if they’re not leading, nor do they care if they’re outmanned. I doubt most even care if they win. They’re battle hardened and they fight for every last keep, every last dolyak.

Many servers like to say they never give up. None have proven it like IoJ has.

QFT

Couldn’t have said it better myself!

Exactly, any fair weathered left ages ago, the ones (like the ones that transferred to FA) are not in it to win, glad to see someone on CD understands this.
Thank you

lune.5892:

kylia.4813:

Of course you would have to be someone that doesn’t only think about winning to understand that our goal was to be with people we thought would be fun, instead of worrying about being in a server that will always win.

Shouldn’t you be telling this to the people over at Isles of Aspenwood?

Already have Lune, already have. And the good thing about FA is that they feel the same way, people and community first, winning second
(from what I’ve seen and heard anyway)

Toggles.1783:

kylia.4813:

Actually the move had no intent around a super server, infact when discussed we all said we would be happy to stay in tier 3 as some of the past weeks in tier three have been some of the best in regards to combat.

And it wasn’t a jump ship, it was, oh crap we have already sunk, lets try to swim to the surface kinda feeling
Of course you would have to be someone that doesn’t only think about winning to understand that our goal was to be with people we thought would be fun, instead of worrying about being in a server that will always win.

Wait wait wait…

• Move = not a super server
• Happy to stay T3
• Last few weeks had some good combat

…so what you guys do…

Have one T3 server mass exodus(your server’s own paraphrased words) into the other T3 server.
O_O

Could you help me see how this is not creating a T3 “super server” while retaining the “good combat” that you guys are happy to stay around? Because to me it sounds like ya’ll just care about winning over us after being beat so many weeks in a row… which leads me to…

@ the winning comment at the end
You obviously don’t know CD or it’s history.

You really don’t understand the guilds in IoJ’s numbers then. The Large guilds, did not move to FA, they went to K-aing, SoS, SoR and JQ, oh and one to Blackgate.

The majority of guilds that went to FA are smaller, lot smaller. Infact if you check the servers I just placed above me, some of those would indicate they went to a server to win, to quote ND (love you guys) (who went to SoS)
“We want to go to somewhere that we don’t need to be depended on.”

That was said from someone who truly after 4 months of being the underdog on an underdog server that always fought larger numbers had hit is breaking point, and needed to give his guys some R&R. It was from the heart, not the head, from a place of we need to do something or go to another game.

Again I don’t expect many people to understand where we came from, but labeling those of us that went to FA to create a “super server” is false, plain and simple.

p.s. I know CD and its history, infact it was part of my task to go talk to all our potential servers to better understand where to go, who they were etc.. I actually took time to find out about your server, it would be the right thing to do, to take time to find out about ours.

Raincrow.1840:

Rskippy.3620:

I can assure you this is not the reason we chose to move to FA

You chose to move to FA because you wanted to create one super server out of 2 good servers, I get that, and it’s fine (though I would guess most people have far more respect for the original FA and IOJ players who stayed, than for the group of people who jumped ship to create a super server).

Actually the move had no intent around a super server, infact when discussed we all said we would be happy to stay in tier 3 as some of the past weeks in tier three have been some of the best in regards to combat.

And it wasn’t a jump ship, it was, oh crap we have already sunk, lets try to swim to the surface kinda feeling
Of course you would have to be someone that doesn’t only think about winning to understand that our goal was to be with people we thought would be fun, instead of worrying about being in a server that will always win.

Drae.3189:

This thread really should be called “1/18/13 CD/FA and IoJ/DB”. I know server transfers are kosher in-game and part of everything. But I have to express extreme dissapointment with all the large WvW guilds from IoJ that transferred to FA just before their server went down a bracket.
Hello [PRO], hello [OBEY]. Well hope you like FA cause your stuck for now and will need to pay to switch next time.
So if the name of the game this next week or so (till the 28th) is going to be about server transfers while they are still free…well…fine. We will play too.
The funniest part about this whole thing is that for the first few weeks of the last matchup, CD/FA/IoJ, their was much talk and rumors of FA and IoJ teaming up to attack CD’d map at exactly the same time every night. Rumors of friends/guilds actually splitting themselves over the two servers……and now the two servers have joined up…

I’m not saying anything you guys have done is wrong or against the rules or anything.
But when I go into WvW and see all the big IoJ guilds fighting along side FA now…glad your not on my server.

Research is always helpful, and funny enough the large (Big as you put it) guilds from IoJ went to other servers.
So please enlighten us on the Large IoJ guilds, as you will find the likes of ND are now in SoS, TL and RUN have moved to K-aing, Hel is populating SoR, and QQ took a trip to NS, those were IoJ’s large guilds.

Saweth You Him.9047:

I think FA gunning for first might be a mistake. Would we want an influx of guilds to dilute the core guilds on our server. I’ve seen some of the guilds on CD and they are made of paper. I would hate to see ques on FA locking out some of the surgical strike teams I’ve seen in action. If we do get an influx of paper guilds we need a server website with optimal gear specs listed. Let CD have their Fractal farming players who mosey into WvW and let FA have it’s WvW players Mosey into WvW.

Guess you haven’t researched the actual guilds that went over

From what I have seen Mag could potentially jump right past tier 3, especially when you put SBI’s decline into the mix, so who knows!!!
All I can say is that I am loving this matchup this week, keep it up everyone!

Score update for those few of us having to work this weekend

Score update, FA sneaks a peak at first place

junglizm.5843:

It was not just CDs blatant lack of respect on the public forums. Your tactics and how you utilize superior numbers definitely played a part in the discussion.

Lets just say spending 4 hours beating on the front inner door of bay with that many players isn’t the most creative way to take that keep. (this “tactic” was utilized numerous times throughout the week.)

Pay close attention to how FA and thier new IOJ allies move this weekend, you might learn something and there may be hope for you yet.

To my IOJ brothers in arms, Oceanic and NA, I will miss you guys and I am sorry we couldn’t find common ground on a server. I decided to take my small crew to Kaineng in hopes of growing my guild a bit to be more effective.

Much respect Jung!

To Apple, it wasn’t the only factor, but we had to weigh all factors, that was one that keeps showing, even after making mention to it. Much respect for what you do with the Doy’s, and hopefully FA with its new friends will be able to give CD a fun fight that isnt a landslide win

Thank you Titan, I couldn’t have displayed exactly what I meant without your perfect comment. o/

KrazyFlyinChicken.5936:

So what you’re telling me is….

I don’t have to give you the free frogurt we promised?

Kary! Hide the cookies!

I’ve been told about your ‘frogurt’ :P