If you don’t really need to dodge, you will most likely survive, thus not needing assistance from your team. And yes there are no conditions, that was my point.
I guess I forgot about feedback. Maybe if you don’t use it, the warriors will have to dodge :p
But the other things you mention that’s not what I consider to be teamwork. You don’t need any kind of coordination. If someone doesn’t do it correctly you lose what, 3 seconds ?
Bad mesmers and warriors have nothing to do with teamwork. Of course you need your team and their DPS : if the Slave Driver fight takes too long, the warriors will probably die….and wow, every time I think about CoF p1 it amazes me at how short and trivial it is. Is there a team out there who failed this dungeon ? Who took ages to complete this dungeon ? The biggest challenge in this path is probably the first mobs…
Sure if you want to be the fastest you need some kind of teamwork (thankfully, because if a random pug could do as fast, there would be a problem), but how many seconds is the gap between the perfect team and a team of total strangers who aren’t optimized ? Let’s not exaggerate and compare with a team of necromancers in full cleric gear, but when a team of 5 random players with random profession/gear/skills can get together not say a single word and finish the path without troubles, this path doesn’t require teamwork.
The difference between a well oiled, coordinated group (4 war/1 mes) and pug 4 war/1 mes group is often well over 1 minute. Throw in a random class/random build group and you’re looking at 5 more minutes. These minutes add up for farmers.
Finishing the dungeon requires little coordination, finishing the dungeon in less than 7 minutes requires coordination.
I have nothing against CoF farmers, I used to be one. But this update will reward players who are skilled at all dungeons. To me that’s a good thing. It should encourage all dungeon runners to become more efficient at more dungeons than just CoF.
You’re so blind it’s a pain. Noone cares about CoF as CoF. Problem starts when “DAILY” kicks in. Lots of people don’t like daily. That’s it. No greater philosophy behind it. It’s nice that you’re trying to boost your little, crumpled ego here and there but easines of CoF has nothing to do with all current rant.
Nice of you to delve into personal insults.
The ease of CoF has everything to do with this rant. If CoF weren’t easy enough for pugs to farm there would be no other dungeon farm with the same potential earnings(for pugs). Thus you wouldn’t be mad about losing your dungeon farm.
@feelux
Variety of broken dungeons? You’re on a steady diet of the most broken dungeon of all.
@Marrond
How will you make more gold in a weekend than me doing dungeons all week under the new system? And not doing other dungeons because they’re poorly made when you’re spamming the most poorly made dungeon of them all…
I’m honestly surprised how many people are against this update.
I will clarify it for you then. Keyword is “daily”. I want to farm when I farm, not doing daily routine that feels like a job.
Completing a variety of dungeons feels more like a job than doing the same mindless dungeon ad nauseam? Clearing CoF p1 for 2 hours straight feels like a job to me.
What are you guys talking about I’m excited and happy about this update. Also looking forward to spending half my time looking for an awesome pug group since all my friends already did that particular dungeon / path that I need to do.
me – Hey want to do arah p2?
friend – No I already do that today.
me – Hey want to do arah p2?
friend 2 – Already did it today sorry.
me – arah p2?
friend 3 – already done it thanks, how about p1?
me – nahh… I did that already.
me – arah p2?
friend 4 – sure lets go.
me – wanna run arah p2?
friend 5 – finished already maybe tomorrow thanks.
me – wanna just pug the other 3?
friend 4 – sure
10 minutes later… 3 pugs join
3 hours later…
WOW that was fun and they give us 3g to do it? AWESOME.!!
You guys wanna do p3? Nah we did that already /leave
AWESOME!! Now to spend the next half hour looking for or forming another group for the next path.
Very few people do a particular Arah path more than once a day already, and it’s pretty easy to find a group. Try again, you can come up with a better one than that.
I’m honestly surprised how many people are against this update. I’m a former CoF farmer myself, sure it’s been few months since I’ve farmed it, but I don’t understand how actually being rewarded for doing different dungeons is a bad thing.
And 2 hours?! Maybe I was wrong in thinking maybe other dungeons will be better when the CoF zerkers start doing them. Do you realize how many dungeons can be done in under 15 minutes? Or that every dungeon can be completed in less than an hour? And that’s being generous.
World Boss was also kind a destroyed after patch when the added bonus chest. Other dungeons like AC and TA I have done a lot(I have enough tokens to buy both gifts of this dungeons). Even if You complete all world boss a day you won’t get much now. And like I said before I don’t have that much time to run around tons of other dungeons, also because some people in guild wars don’t like to make dungeons like Arah with newbies, which makes it more frustrating.
If you don’t have much time to play then this update will make you more gold. There are a good number of 10-15 minute dungeons. Also, Arah doesn’t have to take that long. If you want to make money from dungeons, join a good dungeon guild. They are being truly rewarded with this update. If you’re just looking to learn Arah at this point, I co-lead a non-rep guild that teaches the dungeon all the time. Check out the post “Arah Vets Grouping Together to do Arah Runs” in the dungeon forum.
Use this update to your advantage, broaden your horizons. You’ll come out more skilled, knowledgeable and richer.
I hate to break it to y’all, but farmers will always find the most efficient way to make gold.
Technically they already did… and it hasn’t ever been COF.
It reminds me of when Chris Rock would talk about “Rich” Basket balll players.. and then compare them to the NBA sponsors they work for and use the word “WEALTH” instead…
He’s talking about farming, not flipping. CoF is currently the most efficient farm in the game.
Each day when you finish a unique path for any explorable or story dungeon, you’ll receive a bonus reward for completion—1 to 3 gold for explorable dungeons depending on their length and difficulty, 50 silver for story dungeons.
6 min for 1 gold in cof?
Or 45 min for 3 gold in arah?
Hmm.
We will no longer receive guaranteed silver from dungeon bosses once this update goes live. We’ll also only receive the end gold bonus once per day. I really don’t see why people would want to keep spamming CoF 1 when they could just do it once and move onto other dungeons. It’s not like the drops are that great, molten core/lodestones aren’t even worth that much anymore.
It will be more profitable to do the other quick dungeons. Maybe this will even spark some better pug speed run standards for other dungeons. I imagine a host of new paths will become the new farming meta.
This guy did it solo with no armor. He’s a thief, but any class can accomplish this with a bit of CC. I was able to get Evon T3 and 4, as well as Kiel T1 – 4 with this approach in under 2 hours. And it would have been faster if I hadn’t completed 3 extra rounds needlessly due to doing them out of order.
- It’s easier solo. Things won’t scale up and if you’re competent, 100% of the team is competent.
– If you’ve already done 50% of the ‘Support’ achievement, the higher of the two tiers is what you need to do next, regardless of what you’ve done already. (So if you start the “Advanced Support” achievement by completing Tier 4, you need to do Tier 4 a second time to finish it.)
– The mortars won’t shoot you if you stay close to them. Don’t waste your time attacking them. Hanging out next to / behind the mortars will also prevent other things that spawn in from aggroing on you.
– All you need to do is kill the plunderers. If anything else aggros run towards where you entered the map until they leave you alone.
– If you have a nice big pull, like Scorpion Wire, Engi Magnet, Guardian GS, use it to pull the plunderer off the extraction point -after- they reach the point. They will stay still and try to beam up the treasure rather than running back to the point.
– You need to repeatedly interrupt their beam-up-treasure animation while DPSing them. I’m not sure what options other classes have, but for me this was Pistol Whip. (Thief S/P)
Good luck!
Yep, this pre-patch. It’s totally different now. It was super easy before patch, I completed T4 about a dozen times. I’ve completed it once since patch and it’s 20 times harder. Not only do plunderers always spawn in all locations now, but there are more mobs in general. Try it again now and you’ll see a huge difference.
You’ll probably have a hard time getting into the gw2lfg zerk groups with a guardian. The path can be done near as efficiently with a guardian replacing the mesmer, but most pugs will not realize that. I’m sure many guards wouldn’t get it right anyway.
To bad that vid is pre-patch, just like every other successful video in this thread. I completed T4 a dozen times before patch – solo, duo and trio. I’ve completed it once solo after, with a ton of luck and class actually capable of it. This content is not possible for all classes in its current state.
my video was today post patch.
its doable but not easy? but its an achievement soo..
Yours was the one video I couldn’t watch because my phone wouldn’t play it from that site. My apologies for saying they’re all pre-patch and grats for beating it post-patch.
As I said, I defeated it numerous times already, once post patch, I’m not worried about the achievement. But people who didn’t get to play it before patch are getting a totally different experience. I tried to help a friend get it for 2 hours last night and it was a very frustrating experience after having done so many times before.
This needs to be balanced to be played as intended. I’ve yet to hear of a team actually defending the ground, playing it like horde mode and being successful.
Used this tactic and its legit, worked well with my thief
To bad that vid is pre-patch, just like every other successful video in this thread. I completed T4 a dozen times before patch – solo, duo and trio. I’ve completed it once solo after, with a ton of luck and class actually capable of it. This content is not possible for all classes in its current state.
Thanks for posting that, very entertaining! I wish I had videos of my first dungeons, I’m sure they were much worse.
While mechanically you definitely did many things incorrectly, the only thing you truly did wrong was not telling the team your were new to the dungeon.
I was at Lupi with the other night with 2 pugs and 2 experienced Lupi melee friends. The pugs wanted to melee, cool. Turns out they would not dodge the grubs. After we told them they need to dodge the grubs, the thief says “nah, it’s fine up to 15”.
I’m not saying 38 is low, the drop rate seems to exponentially increase at 48. Like I said, I didn’t get a single skin until 42, and I did tons of “below my level” fractals as well.
lol, he’s just having a little fun. The best way to get skins is higher level fractals. I didn’t get my first skin until level 42. At 48 your chance is much better.
I don’t think anything changed. Everyone doing speed run cof only will be doing speedrun on other dungeon path.
The money reward is once per day according to the blog post. Means repeating the path wont get you money it will just get you tokens.
“To encourage players to participate in a wider array of dungeon content, we’ve designed the system so if you complete the same dungeon path twice in one day, you’ll receive the normal reward for completion, but won’t receive the bonus gold reward again during that day.”
I dont’ think you get what I’m saying. People are doing speed run on all path. like 6 minutes cof path 1, follow by 8 minutes path 2, followed by 7 minutes SE path 1, followed by 8 minutes AC path 1, etc etc..
We’re talking about the CoF1 farm specifically, the people who do the path ad nauseam. For them, the game has changed.
It really doesn’t bother me at all. I haven’t farmed CoF for a while, but I used to farm the crap out of it. Got my first legendary that way. These days I usually run full sets of CoE and/or TA, various Arah paths and whatever random dungeon friends may be doing. I think even hardcore CoF farmers have to admit this is a positive change for the game.
As far as I know they should drop in sub 10 fractals. I wouldn’t worry about farming them though. Just do the fractals normally and they’ll come. It’s better to get globs and shards anyway, which you’ll get above 10.
I dislike p1 in PuGs… It’s that darn console hacking room. Someone always messes it up. Last time I had a PuG break at the last second because he was afraid that the defender couldn’t handle the bombs. :|
what is the best strategy for the console hacking room? we always run into issues…
1 person jump on console and activate, everyone protect. Then everyone stack on the side of the console, kill all large golems. Then 4 people jump on console and activate simultaneously while one person protects.
With pugs and no voice chat, I explain before we go in so we’re all on the same page. For the second console activation I show them my #2 GS guardian skill and that’s their queue to activate, as opposed to someone counting down because I’ve seen it mess up too many times. Works pretty well.
“You don’t need to change a gimmick that will wipe 3/4 of his health because people will take at least 3 times longer to kill him”
Do you guys even hear yourselves?
If its still so easy to burn him down then there’s no problem in taking away the ‘I Win’ button. DPSing him down quickly is a legitimate strategy, using a gimmick so he hits himself in the face for 3653742454 damage is just so… Cheap, smart, but cheap.
You’re missing the point. It’s not an ‘I Win’ button for anyone but a handful of groups. Have you tried this in a pug? It doesn’t work. Feedback still does good damage, but nothing even close to this. Have you even tried full melee in a pug? That doesn’t work either. Plenty of times it doesn’t even work in an organized group.
Nerfing Feedback will make SOLO say “oh well, back to killing him in ~80 seconds”. It will barely affect pug Lupi fights at all. And mesmer will start being dropped from speed runs.
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There are no pugs doing this to Lupi. It’s a handful of guilds competing for bragging rights. Changing this doesn’t change the game for anyone but those groups.
Actually, it won’t make a small dent of how these extreme skilled players will play. They will publish another videos showing how to kill Lupi the fastest w/o reflection then they go their own way. Those would hurt a lot are precisely those morons asking for the nerf and the populace mass because the current manageable content would be raised to a higher threshold.
This is true as well. If Lupi is nerfed, sure, SOLO won’t be able to kill him in 20 seconds, but they still won’t have any trouble killing Lupi extremely fast. The people that get hurt are the regular players.
SOLO probably doesn’t care if they kill Lupi in 20 seconds or 60 seconds, as long as they kill it as fast as existing mechanics will allow.
Pugs will never be able to pull off these advanced tactics. Right now only one dungeon guild has even killed Lupi in less than 40 seconds. And maybe only a dozen or so groups has done it in under 1 minute. It takes very good coordination and a predetermined party composition.
The Dredge you speak of is Rabsovich. Just watch his animations, when he leans back with his arm out, he’s getting ready to use his ohk. Just dodge it, you’ll get the timing down once you recognize the animation.
As for COE, very easy dungeon. Alpha is quite easy. As guard you may sometimes be expected to hammer #4 him into the corner (if there isn’t a mesmer). Then just stack, melee and dodge when needed. This fight is only difficult if you end up with bad pugs that can’t dodge or either very low dps and people are running out of vigor. My guild runs all 3 COE’s in probably 35 minutes-ish.
If dungeoning is your thing you may want to try to get into a dungeon guild, but you may also need a warrior for that. You could also try the stickied post at the top of the dungeon page, it’s a guild that introduces new people to dungeons.
It also seems to me that shout heal warriors tend to use their shouts only when they need a heal, not for the utility of the shout. Shout heal warriors also often run PVT or Cleric’s gear. At least zerker AH guards are doing some damage and it’s easier for them to mob pull, mitigate the initial burst and sustain. I still use AH most of the time because I run so many pugs. If a guard were only doing guild runs then it’d be a different story.
Good pulls and Feedback are probably more important than Time Warp and Portal. Sounds like that’s what you were missing.
No need to be mad at the whole community, that’s the speed run community. You either deliver or you get booted. Check out some speed runs videos from a mesmer point of view, they give it a go again. Or you can just do non-speed runs.
Yeah. I’m sure you know the pug tactic of single target ranging from the entrance, well that no longer works. As soon as you hit the boss, spiders come right to you, they have a long leash as well. Pugs just aren’t used to meleeing this boss. Another good thing about melee here, besides the inherent higher damage, is you don’t have to dodge when the boss shakes.
You can’t range it without getting swarmed by spiders anymore. The best way is full melee while chaining reflects, but apparently you can also range while kiting the spiders. There’s a couple videos floating around here that show the former.
He won’t aggro until you get pretty close (<600 range, not sure exactly because by the time we’re that close someone’s thrown an axe or GS at him) or until you start shooting him. So on your initial encounter or after he resets, you can still get ready in the room – or if you have dead teammates that don’t want to run, you can rez them as long as they’re away from Lupi. His leash range is the only thing that’s a little ridiculous, and his Locusts Swarms are even worse and will follow you around the pillar.
That is hilarious.
I see he still makes grubs out there as well, so even if you do reset, he may be buffed.
With the significant size of the player base who dislike or hate jumping puzzles,
Source?
Because quite honestly it’s the first time I’ve seen an overflow server since launch.
All that proves is that people are on the map, not that they like the map.
If they didn’t like it they could just leave?
And that’s where the OP’s point comes in. The whole content update is either jump or opt out. This is further worsened by the increased importance of achivement points in this update. Opting out will not only prevent you from accessing the lore, story and rewards of the current content, you take an achievement point blow as well.
My problem is he is making his point sound more valid by using hyperbole. His claim about “a significant size” is a guess unless he can provide proof to give the claim any substance.
Yes, I’m aware there are players that don’t and/or can’t do JPs. I’m not disagreeing with that. But using hyperbole to possibly exaggerate the problem does not add any credit to his argument.
And your claim that you’ve never seen an overflow server since launch does absolutely nothing for your side of the argument as it totally inconsequential to the discussion at hand. Guess you guys are even.
Not everyone chasing the same priority.
Regardless, it’s very, very impressive. Now I’m interesting about how long it would take 5 wars to do that. You guys should have enough experts in wars to do that w/o riding on the mesmer piggy back.
I kid, I kid. But nothing wrong with a little healthy competition all in fun. I’m just going to move to proving my game dominance with keg brawls or maybe the fastest veteran oakheart kill.
