Guild Wars 2

Why is anyone still even running condition builds in PvE? Direct damage is superior in virtually every way.

I’m not saying “Stop whining!”. I’m saying keep kittening in the forums because this does need addressed. But for god’s sake, change to direct damage so you aren’t so useless until Anet does finally fix this.

Broadicea.8294:

laharl.8435:

Last night, pugging some Arah. Pugs stack range, I run in melee as usual. Misdodged the very first kick, there I was down at Lupi’s feet looking like an idiot.

Yeah, that’s my problem too. I want to yell at pugs for not running zerk, want to call them big dumb babies for ranging all the time and not using DPS builds, but then I almost always end up faceplanted at some point, and just feel like the biggest kitten that ever lived.

The worst is when he won’t aggro you in phase 2. He spends half the time invulnerable, shadowstepping around the room. So annoying.

Another bad one the other night. Myself and a DnT buddy got some lupi melee pugs. Myself, my buddy and 2 pugs all die in phase 3 bubbles somehow (we were all dps). Left standing was a PVT warrior who had to ooc long enough for us to res rush from the wp. Luckily he was at least proficient enough in melee, besides his incessant moving in phase 3 which kept getting us bubbled. It was annoying getting “saved” by a PVT warrior who unknowingly got us killed in the first place. Gave him the “good job!” anyways.

Last night, pugging some Arah. Pugs stack range, I run in melee as usual. Misdodged the very first kick, there I was down at Lupi’s feet looking like an idiot.

It would be nice to have a "Dungeon Community Approved Builds " sticky here. My friends keep getting “dungeon builds” from the class subforums and various other forums that are utter crap. If someone could make a nice write up, I’d certainly +1 it for a sticky. Mods might say it belongs in class subforums but I believe we can make a good case that it belongs here.

Agony should have nothing to do with making fractals easier, only if you can or can’t survive maw.

Bismuth.3165:

I said really bad, I’d rather pug with someone who thinks killing lupi in 10 minutes is ok than with someone who dies everytime lupi does his aoe attack in phase 2.

Eh, they’re both probably doing similar dps.

hitrate.3912:

laharl.8435:

hitrate.3912:

I interpret this thread as saying that only 2 classes in this game are viable in and invited to Dungeon runs.. So if you play anything other then Guardian or Warrior then you are screwed? Rangers are a hated class and nobody will run with them?

You interpreted wrong. The question was what is the “best” class for pugging. Rangers simply aren’t the best class for pugging, it doesn’t mean it’s a hated class (that’s reserved for necro ) It’s basically what Broadicea said, the choices are about making up for pugs shortcomings.

I hear ya.. It’s just that I keep getting told not to play Ranger, that nobody will run with Rangers. I would just hate to get to 80 and then find out that I cannot enjoy the grouping, because nobody wants my class.

Get some Zerker armor, use Brazil’s build, learn how to sword and you’ll at least be using the class to it’s potential. I sometimes run 48 fractals with a friend who sometimes brings ranger, always clean runs. Just last night we killed Evolved Destroyer in one turn with him as ranger. Not that that’s super hard, just sayin.

hitrate.3912:

I interpret this thread as saying that only 2 classes in this game are viable in and invited to Dungeon runs.. So if you play anything other then Guardian or Warrior then you are screwed? Rangers are a hated class and nobody will run with them?

You interpreted wrong. The question was what is the “best” class for pugging. Rangers simply aren’t the best class for pugging, it doesn’t mean it’s a hated class (that’s reserved for necro ) It’s basically what Broadicea said, the choices are about making up for pugs shortcomings.

My friend pugged a ~30 fractal last night, he said one of the pugs got an ascended weapon. He said he could choose the weapon, but it had to be rampager stats. Is that how it works?

Just keep a knight armor set on hand if you feel you’re downing too much. I still have my old knight (soldier rune) armor from when I first got my guard to 80. I still sometimes use it in Arah pugs when my companions need help with a trash run.

You’ll need at minimum, a zerk warrior to get into a good dungeon guild. Guards are a dime a dozen in Arah. Sure in pugs it’s fine to have multiple guards, but not in (good) guild runs.

You could get good at all paths with your thief, they come in pretty handy. They’re much more useful if everyone is in voice chat.

Lastly, learn to full melee Lupi. Practice soloing p2. Then you won’t have to make a post asking for a guild to take you in. You can apply to the best guilds and show them you deserve to be there, and they’ll welcome you.

Digivolution.8029:

Can’t even find people who even want to do this path now.

If you still haven’t got it done by tonight I’ll whisper you if you’re on.

spoj.9672:

Trying to melee lupi with someone who cant dodge grubs is the most irritating and difficult thing ever. “Oh look double grubs at phase switch”…. “Thanks for 3 bubbles in a row”….

Haha, just the other night I ended up with an 8 Empowered stack Lupi. The pugs stack for range and I go into melee. Lupi won’t target me and grubs just keep coming so I go to the stack to kill them from there. Unbeknownst to me, one guy had ran away from the stack and kept getting grubbed and no one was targeting them. I was like eh, this could be fun, I usually don’t give directions unless it’s a new group. This was an “experienced only!” from gw2lfg. We ended up killing him after about 10 minutes, the pugs literally ressing each other the entirety of phase2. It was actually quite fun.

As far as pug expectations, I find it best to have none. I think pugs are much better than they used to be and getting better. Sometimes you’ll still end up with that absolutely horrible group, but that’s the nature of pugging. I’m sure many here have been in a pug that went decent and at the end a pug said “OMG that was so fast!!”, even though the run was sub par. Even the best pug runs don’t come close to organized guild runs, but doesn’t mean they can’t be fun.

KazNaka.4718:

My only gripe with guardians is they keep spamming their symbols, which is a light field, and it keeps overriding my fire field. So instead of stacking area might, I end up giving area retaliation -_-

Yeah. I often run Hallowed Ground (fire field) in pugs and drop it before anyone else gets a field down so we can at least gets few might combos in, although it’s often only myself comboing in it.

Guardian is great for pugging, a good guard can pull even the worst pugs through most dungeons. I pug a lot of Arah and find that if I take my warrior but end up with a bad pug, there is little I can do to help them, especially for trash runs.

Whirl is fine, but Fiery Rush is obviously benefiting from an unintended mechanic. It’s “correct” use is non-intuitive. As for a nerf, I’d rather not see that happen. But even if it did, Ele’s would still be a welcome class for fast dungeons.

I thought what that post was saying is that you can get to 25 stacks, store stacking sigil weapon in your backpack and still retain benefit of the stacks. Letting you equip a different sigil weapon for even more benefit.

Dub.1273:

5g? You get 3.26g, 177k experience, a bunch of karma and 60 tokens back, so it would be actually better for us to get the reward ourselves. 5g is okay for a path 2 run which you can solo in some time. But not for path 4, considering you also get the chance on a 20g/200 tokens recipe.

You can only get the recipe in p4?

Technically it’s much closer to 32 bit.

Player Character.9467:

See if Anet implemented a real LFG system in game they could do what gw2lfg is doing with bans but make them real. Or just add code that detects if the flags didn’t all get popped but a dungeon was completed…

They already do in current dungeons. You can no longer skip the spider in AC because the spider’s death now unlocks the next event. They just need to make Alphard/Brie not appear until Lupi dies.

I pug Arah almost everyday and I’ve never been kicked. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, I believe it does. I just don’t understand the frequency with which people are saying this is occurring. I even pug p1 and p4 and have never once had this happen. Yet people are coming on here saying they’ve been kicked 3 times in one day. If that’s truly happening, stop pugging and find some friends or a guild.

rjnemer.7816:

I have to disagree with you on this, unless it is a boss that actually stops attacking totally. Otherwise, it is a strategy that players should be free to use.

The problem is, their is no evolving meta in the dungeons/fractals in this game becuase Anet continues to ignore them. Along with the fact that their are very few skill choices.

If you made dungeons the best money in the game you would be surprised how fast things would change, from builds, to how a path was run to professions used. All zerker would not be the way to go when all was said and done.

I really don’t see why people would start running dungeons inefficiently if we made more money doing them. Dungeons are actually good form of income/time spent because of zerker gear.

colesy.8490:

Is it quicker to melee the husk rather than use golems?

Good question. That video was a little under 2 minutes. I’m pretty sure my guild kills it faster, may have to time it though.

Broadicea.8294:

lately I’ve been trying to get my pugs to stack might before boss battles with warriors, thieves, guardians, and eles present and they’re usually like “WHUUUUUH?”

Yep, drop a fire field….and crickets.

Thief is pretty handy to get your whole party through some of the harder Arah trash runs.

Point of thread – Christian Bale is a mesmer.

Bismuth.3165:

I read the whole thing seventeen kittening times, I took it to the kittening space and I still don’t get it, unless… activate sherlock mode
At first, some people may have interpreted the zerker gear statement as a troll statement, and as the popular saying tells us, don’t feed the troll, am I right?

Keep searching, you’ll find it. I already gave you a big hint.

Zerker is best in PvE. Period.

It sounds like you’re just as much to blame as everyone else. If you ask “What’s the plan?”, and you get four “I dunno”s, then you’re obviously playing with people new to the dungeon. I would say you should’ve given instruction, but it sounds like you were new as well. You should’ve taken control anyway, so at the very least everyone is on the same page.

On a side note. As long as you stay healing spec, you are doomed to sub par runs.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

With Lupicus:

• It’s not clear how he summons the grubs, and that you need to dodge
• It is not clear that he consumes the grubs, and that they make him stronger
• It is not clear that some of his aoe attacks also fire projectiles

I will admit that I didn’t figure out dodging the grubs on my own. But, there are visual cues. Just because you or I didn’t figure it our ourselves doesn’t mean other people didn’t. As for it not being clear that he consumes the grubs and they make him stronger, that is quite clear in every way. The grub scurries to him, he picks it up and gets a stack of Empowered. The aoe’s also being projectiles is also quite clear with a little deductive reasoning.

Lupi is fine the way he is. If anything, it would be nice if there were something you could do within the dungeon to unlock a harder version of him, or have multiple Lupi’s at the same time.

djspicegirltang.9674:

the reality of this dungeon is that you have group after group of pick-ups run through the hordes to do only what they have to do to get to the next phase, then try a few times on lupi (not even realizing that grubs can cause an empowered buff) die and ultimately quit. I’ve spent my entire afternoon on this dungeon. I haven’t made it to the end of any path. -_- if lupi was nerfed, at least people would do it.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Arah-Vets-grouping-together-to-do-Arah-Runs/page/9#post2644093

Join up. I do p3 teaching runs about twice a week, other paths upon request.

aophts.9862:

Till i couldn’t find a guild only focused on dungeon/FoTM or more focused on this, they all say the same thing, but when you join, you end up seeing that almost no one wants to run dungeons, it is annyoing. The few ones focused on dungeons, are elitist.

Dungeon guilds need to be picky about entrants. The reason people join dungeon guilds is for fast, smooth runs. If they let anyone in, the quality of the runs will be compromised. Then the best players will leave until they find what they’re looking for.

I wouldn’t call the top tier dungeon guilds elitist, just elite.

I’m guessing you may not be experienced enough to get into the higher end dungeon guilds. They require and application and trial runs, but you could try none-the-less.

A good bet would be to join the guild with the stickied post at the top of the dungeon page. Also, build up your friend list with good dungeoners you run across.

kishter.9578:

every guardian in FOTM 40+ run whit hight vitality and good survavility build you know, to support the party! except this one yesterday he was running full zerker 30/30/10/0/0. whit GS. I just wanted to kill myself.

Seen people refuse to acknowledge they rolls and they limits in groups.

edit: i forget, He was 9k+ AP.

So wrong. We run full zerker. Everyone.

I had two of them in an SE pug the other night, tagging mobs like it’s goin out of style.

Bright.9160:

laharl.8435:

Bright.9160:

while playing absolutely terribly etc

This just made me laugh out loud…

Well he made a video of him purposely playing like a moron, running out of reflects, using terrible DPS rotations, etc.

I know. Just the thought of making videos, playing like a moron and beating these “OP” bosses is funny to me. It’s probably a pro video to people saying this boss is impossible.

Bright.9160:

while playing absolutely terribly etc

This just made me laugh out loud…

That would’ve been nice when I was a young noob trying to do dungeons. The guild I joined would not touch dungeons. They only told me how insanely hard they were. It was like pulling teeth when I finally wanted to do my first STORY dungeon and couldn’t get any of them to do it with me. So I put off dungeons entirely until after my first character was 80. I basically got used to faceroll open world PvE, had a crappy build, played crappy and didn’t even know it.

It would’ve been nice to have that extra incentive to get me into dungeons earlier. I was possibly close to not playing this game anymore until I finally started using gw2lfg to find groups, and found out dungeons are quite doable. Then later found out with knowledge, the right builds and the right team, every dungeon in this game can be easy.

InfinitySoul.9240:

Since its been so long since the posting date i just wanted to ask if you guys are still active and if you have moved on from just Arah in to other various content or focus on Arah with some other content mixed in. I’ve been looking for a PvE guild and i wouldn’t mind a focus on Arah anyway. Sorry if i missed any questions like mine replied earlier in the thread. I’m kinda lazy to go through 9 pages of recruitment requests.

We are still active, however you have to be proactive in finding a group. I do about two p3 teaching runs per week for Arah newbs, and maybe one or two p1/p4 newb runs per month. Paths 1 & 4, you’ll usually have to initiate through the website, unless it’s a quick pro run.

Our ranks are set up by experience.

Newcomer – brand new
Initiate – low experience
Soldier – experienced
Vet – experienced enough to lead newb runs
Spec Ops – high experience, full melee lupi groups

We’re a non-rep guild, so if you’re looking for a standard PvE guild you should look elsewhere. We just get Arah groups together for all skill levels. It can be hard for newbs to get into Arah pug runs, and they can turn out to be nightmares. With a vet leading these parties it’s a lot less stressful for the new people. And if you’re highly experienced you can find others like yourself as well.

I do dungeons and 48 fractals with a number a people from the guild. If you’re a very avid dungeoner (that uses good dps builds), we do welcome new people into our little group of friends.

If you just want a dungeon focused PvE guild, I recommend DnT or LOD. Many of our spec ops members are from those guilds anyway.

Just man the lava bucket on that fractal. Or go with a direct damage build since it’s more useful in most situations.

I’d say 1.5 gold. The path is pretty quick and painless and the boss goes down in less than 1 minute. The spiders should just reset after a wipe.

Magnetron.5823:

laharl.8435:

Magnetron.5823:

laharl.8435:

Magnetron.5823:

Vol.5241:

We’ve had similar threads to this, use the search function.

We’ve had like 3 dozen since 1-2 months ago..

Yea i would use the search function if they didnt change everything every week the path is just too hard in comparison with the other paths.

The path is quite easy, all paths are. I can understand how the boss can give you issues, I experienced the same thing. If you use your reflects well, the boss can be killed in under 1 minute easily.

The problem is, it takes 1 hour to find a group full of random pugs.. imagine the time it takes to find 2-3 guardians.

You don’t
just guards. Any class with reflects/absorbs will do. Mesmer and thief are good choices. I know ranger and ele have shorter duration reflects, so probably not as helpful. It’ll be easier with friends, but is doable with pugs. Just organize before you go into the boss room.

You could also range the tree while kiting the spiders, some people do it that way.

Yea we tried the range too, but we kept on wiped by the spiders.. So next i want to play a dungeon i should read the forums first, on what class is needed for it?

Bah, hope i finish this dungeon, so i never have to return to it again.

You should be able to do the ranged tactic with any class setup. I believe Nikaido made a melee/no reflect video, but I doubt many could pull that off.

Magnetron.5823:

laharl.8435:

Magnetron.5823:

Vol.5241:

We’ve had similar threads to this, use the search function.

We’ve had like 3 dozen since 1-2 months ago..

Yea i would use the search function if they didnt change everything every week the path is just too hard in comparison with the other paths.

The path is quite easy, all paths are. I can understand how the boss can give you issues, I experienced the same thing. If you use your reflects well, the boss can be killed in under 1 minute easily.

The problem is, it takes 1 hour to find a group full of random pugs.. imagine the time it takes to find 2-3 guardians.

You don’t need just guards. Any class with reflects/absorbs will do. Mesmer and thief are good choices. I know ranger and ele have shorter duration reflects, so probably not as helpful. It’ll be easier with friends, but is doable with pugs. Just organize before you go into the boss room.

You could also range the tree while kiting the spiders, some people do it that way.

Fror.2163:

Well, don’t worry about the search function, just use your eyes for [Merged] TA F/U in the front page.

In all fairness, that thread is merged sarcasm.

Magnetron.5823:

Vol.5241:

We’ve had similar threads to this, use the search function.

We’ve had like 3 dozen since 1-2 months ago..

Yea i would use the search function if they didnt change everything every week the path is just too hard in comparison with the other paths.

The path is quite easy, all paths are. I can understand how the boss can give you issues, I experienced the same thing. If you use your reflects well, the boss can be killed in under 1 minute easily.

NOOB ITS EASY JUST MELEE

Just melee and chain reflects, make sure you overlap your reflects and everyone stays in them. Someone will post some vids I’m sure.

Super spider queen bossy tree are IMPOSSIBRU!!!!!!!!

Lupi, lv80 shaman and alpha teamed up for F/U path. Tree made them cry like babies and make forum post.

nerf plz

[Edited- thank you chef!]

Latinkuro.9420:

It is now a problem for me all I want to find a group to run it and get my armor but now there’s only selling no one wants to run it themselves as if it’s that difficult !!!

If you’re on NA servers add me as a friend and send an in game mail. I run new people though all paths, explaining mechanics as we go. I would give you the link to our guild post, “Arah vets running Arah together” (or something like that), but I’m having issues with my phone.

Almdudler.8621:

I find it more ridiculous to pay for something like that. Plus I don’t think people got kicked for that, just someone who enjoys solo/duoing Arah.

Yeah, I doubt people are getting kicked. I have nothing against it, I’m just amazed there is a market for it.

I actually spoke to an Arah path seller yesterday. He said he often just duo’s or trio’s with friends, so there’s a better split for them. To my amazement he said they actually get buyers for all paths.