Guild Wars 2

Its alot easier as an Asuran just due to the fact you can see more. Do some jumping puzzles on a Norn then you’ll be thankful youre asuran

I loved DAoC and I think it should be the basis for any WvWvW system but RAs I think are really against what their goals are, granted the orb buff is too imo, but I dont think it should be at all

Really if they swapped the outmanned buff with the orb buff (which btw makes total sense) I think it would allow more participation. Making the leader stronger to beat is very counter intuitive

Honestly people are blowing this transferring stuff way out of proportion. I mean honestly these HoD people feel JQ took their early am est playerbase during this match? I cannot even touch that one. And ofc when this whole transfer thing gets brought up JQ was winning by 1k and shortly after actually lost the lead.
So why would people transfer off a server who was pretty much had a share of the lead
In addition alot of people don’t get the fact that a full server can’t be transferred to. Now I am sure there are times where JQ drops to high from full but whole guilds switching over I just don’t buy at all
I’m sure many individuals transfer to JQ from alot of servers, but not full guilds to make a whole lot of difference.
I mean its only wednesday and I know for a fact on Monday in the morning (7am est) we had undermanned buff on all maps and I personally watched HoD turn the JQ map from blue to green and start on the HoD map all in a span of less then 2 hours.
So my hats off to them who fought for their server when most of the rest of your server save a few guilds like disappeared.

Everyone knows the transfer system sucks and everyone knows it effects matches but I still think it is way overblown

Man what a great matchup guys must be a ton of fun

Keep in mind the main reason WvW is a horrible experience for alot of players is the players fault

Now this is with this new rendering issue aside.

People are choosing not to fight, or to stragedize incompetently, or transferring to another server.
People are longing on to see the score and choosing to do something else
There are quite honestly a handful and a small handful of servers at this time that are underpopulated.

Sadly Anet puts faith in people to normalize the populations and also reported (which I cannot possibly see as accurate) that most transfers were from more populated worlds to less populated worlds
But again people are making the issues and until people start thinking logically and as long as Anet allows people to transfer anywhere every day there isn’t a solution.

It’s tues not fri I wouldnt say anyone beat anyone yet

RoRo.8270:

It’s only OP because of the rendering issue

This is exactly correct and this is the main issue. Even mass invisibilty has a rendering issue. Theifs have a rendering issue.

It really is all about seige 11 people vs 25 should win. It all depends how determined and organize the 25 is but you said random zerg the 11 should win.
The 11 otoh isnt going to win by auto attacking. You arrow cart and aoe in and around the gate area once their seige is done and a few manning them jump down and charge
Human nature for most people when charged move backwards just go out aoe then jump back in rinse repeat
Once you get into bigger numbers like 40 v 20 and fifty v 25 its alot harder to hold that amount but still possible

I highly doubt the server is event impacted at all. I can tell you a 8am est it was 6 k now it is 1k and JQ is charging again, but man 5k in 7 hours if they can do that every weekday they will probably win easily
It will be about how much of a lead can be built before their huge early am crew gets on

I do like the dyanamic of what Anet was thinking with the orb concept. However in practice due to unscrupulous players it is becoming frustrating.

I would like to see the orb represent a central fixed point, unmovable, which automatically changed hands with the taking of the keep. Obviously all home maps have a main keep and they should be what houses the orbs permanently. That way they become a focal point. But the buff should be eliminated and should just add a trickle to the owner’s score

I’m not so sure about this.
Last night Bay keep gets taken orb is behind the taken keep. Reset timer starts. Orb appears on other side of map in HoD’s keep, so yea not entirely sure of the validity of the OP
A member(s) of ET hacked 2 orbs that I know of for certain. JQ 0 hacks

I’m not saying that these do not need to get fixed because they do, but those 2 things are actually universally shared by all servers. Rendering issues happen to everyone and orb hacking is happening to everyone. This isnt something that 1/2 the servers face

I mean I am in total accord these are w/o question the biggest 2 issues in WvW but since they are universal, there is no reason to turn off the servers to do it.
They would lose a ton of people if it was any more then a day

Your bulletpoints are your opinion and not “realities” as you put it.
I honestly believe that a month or so down the road when more data and rating etc are there the matchup will be better.

I personally would like to see server act as every man for themselves, but you do have teaming up, fact is teaming will only ever make sense for one server not both and that is something some servers have to start to understand

Fact of the matter is no matter what price or quantity you put on it, it is still available to anyone. We have all seen good ones and horrible ones.

I personally would like to see like a level based system where people who lead squads get like leader levels as they continue to lead groups they can get awarded titles and what not. Thereby it is still available to anyone, but people who follow the bad ones once will be less likely to follow them again thereby they wouldn’t ever obtain field general or whatever

I think JQ is still up about 6k or so but as of 8am est HoD is everywhere I think they were up to like 60% map

And to Rook watching things go from full to high or vice versa doesn’t give any indication to WvW population
HoD’s population in WvW in the early morning to midafternoon is exponentially higher then JQ
Having outmanned buff on one map, one map pinned at spawn, one map with only the tower by our map, and defending a keep on another map with 25 vs 60 or more and that was this morning. The most progress HoD makes is early morning into afternoon.
They are certainly not PvDing by any stretch but vastly outnumber JQ
What Archaos stated is probably correct but we’ll see as the week goes out
With the 3 orb hacks aside I am having alot of fun this week

I disagree on the orbs. I’m not saying remove them but their problem is they are a clear objective for the map. Thats the downside not any upside imo

I dont really understand 3. I can take a supply camp by myself as I am sure many other can too. The guards should get buffed up so it takes at least a group to take a supply camp right now getting a supply camp flipped by one person is kinda silly.
I have taken towers with 3 people granted not NA primetime but its been done

Its actually about 4 1/2 hours from now

It kind of depends really. A newly captured keep or tower has to get a good stream of supply and a decent amount of time before it becomes somewhat formidable. Therefore losing an un-upgraded position isnt that big of a deal. And ofc it also depends on its map placement and current holdings. So it is situational really

If I am for example holding the blue world garrison and Dawn’s Eyrie is under attack then yea that needs to be defended for sure but if they are attacking Redbriar or Blue Briar on the same map then yea you can get that later

Yea NSP will be jumping up a tier and 2 spots, very similar to IoJ last week jumping ahead of DB and CD
The only issue with FC jumping is 100 points is hard to make up. A +70 rating with a -30 rating still looks like failing short by a nose

Obviously my math is rough at best but I was pretty bored today at work
I’m kinda curious my self how it turns out

HoD
JQ
ET
——
SBI
IOJ
BG
——
DB
CD
TC
——
SoS
FA
Mag
——
Yak
GoM
SoR
——
EB
NS
SF
——
DH
AR
BP
——
FC
DR
Kain

Only 2 I am unsure of would be:
Does FC jump up? Really they should but I think too many points to make up
Second is the ET/SBI this is going to be pretty close

Editted I put a matchup in the wrong spot

alphillyboy.2064:

Well from the looks of it the remains of TA (from what I heard around 9 guilds out of 16?) is transferring to Blackgate.

If that is indeed true (rumors are just rumors), then it may indeed be a match between ET and JQ. HoD may just fall down to the bottom unless other guilds step up to take the leadership of HoD.

Kinda disappointed, but I guess it’ll be mostly a battle between ET and JQ. Here’s to hoping thats not true and we have a good battle between all 3 servers.

I don’t think youre going to see 9 guilds transfer to BG they are “full” status most of the time. It would be pretty hard for 1 full guild to do it, but 9 would be impossible

The biggest problem with the system is it provides a higher ranked server an easier time to stay higher ranked and a harder time for others to move up.

Now this is fine in an already large timeframe and datapool, but not now where we are in our system.

As an example and no offense at all to this server, but lets take SBI who has been in the top tier since the beginning. The first 2 weeks I believe they retained second and this week they are in 3rd, so really lost all 3 weeks, yet there is a chance, with this system, that even after the reset, they can retain that top tier, because of the tier favoritism in the system.
Now again I’m not picking on that server. They could drop to 4 and completely dominate their matchup, but the system calculations assume that they will do exactly that when it may not be the case at all.
The data from the 24hr matchups should have been used solely to determine the 1st week’s matchups and then should have been purged. that would have also allieviated the system as well
24hr match up vs 7 day matchup I think we can all agree are a totally different animal

I guess gratz on “dominating” 3 servers? Let’s see you played who in the 1 week matchups JQ, SBI, ET

The health of the game? that was a pretty good one. 95% of the people couldnt care less what you 24/7 zerg alliance did

Just make sure a bunch of you stay intact, which you will, because if in fact you break up youre going to find that you as guilds will make little to no impact by yourselves

I’m not demeaning the fact that you put together a 24/7 alliance cause that is really all you did.
In this post yourself people post that alot of you arent even playing due to queues and that random commander are leading the server.
You havent even seen 95% of the servers
But you picked a good time though. Servers are actually starting to get it. Are actually getting organized and getting their coverages taken care of

Supposed to be at 8 est but it is in reality like 8:20 est

Yea after they close server transfers I would certainly be for this, but as it is now just makes it alot easier for players/guilds to abuse it more then they are now

Should be a way to get 20 into a party without the need of a squad

We all know what happened this week, but you know in retrospec that is what it takes to win. Although I am not a fan of the transfers especially mid week, you need, as someone already mentioned, coverage at all times. And I can tell you it is extremely frustrating for DB.
Our 1st week there was no night activity on all 3 servers. 2nd week jq took about 35% of the map the first night then another 35% the second night after fighting tooth and nail on day 2 but seeing a map at 80% that was 40% it gets frustrating. Same deal this week and as I am sure everyone knows it is extremely frustrating when you cant do anything about it.
Well BG did something about it and DB didnt plain and simple. We knew when we were vulnerable and we did nothing to quell that and we paid again.

The power of the early am EST is so overwhelming you cannot understand.
I personally went for 1 day over to SoS. 6am est TC had about 70% or so of the map. I went into WvW from 6am est to 8:05am est SoS took about 45% of the map so the map that was mostly TC was now mostly SoS. That took place in 2 hours. When you have no answer for something like that you lose plain and simple.

I don’t know DB’s answer and for that and because of some of these hacks/teleport thing people are talking about I think it is time for a new home.
Anet’s system for balance I guess is for everyone to move to few servers if we want to be competitive. DB is very strong at prime time but it will w/o question be the servers strong around the clock who will raise their standing

You can’t help but respect this guy

Not really we win maps at our primetime. It is no secret at all that we have next to 0 night morning people. Its no secret that is when we lose ground. I’m actually surprised to still be winning tbh.
But announcing it as an accomplsihment is kinda silly

Gratz to BG for sweeping empty maps. Urge does it every morning nothing new
If you took a screen shot of Monday and Tuesday right around this time it would look very similar as well

Although I agree with almost everything you posted the one thing that really sticks out to me. And I am sure many people especially servers that win alot will disagree with is simply put the system does not allow for a definitive what server is better
Your number 3 I like alot because of this
You should not lose a match due to population. Everytime people talk about having pop cap equality people cry. But really the best servers can only emerge when we have equal numbers regardless of time on every map 24/7

I mean just using an example who is to say that Kaineng having 100 people on every map can’t compete against HoD with 100 people on every map?

But right now you won’t have that because you will have tons more from HoD then Kaineng, doesnt make them better really

Monsoon.2589:

“First off as the title suggests DB did not hack your orb”
Sorry but if one person from a server hacked an orb and gave it to their server then “their server” hacked the orb and should be known as cheaters. Until you are able to flush out whoever is doing this in your rank then the whole server is at fault…this is how it works, you can’t hide behind the fact that you can’t control people.

The only shady things reported this week were because of players from DB. Sorry about that, I know it is annoying but your server has lost all credibility…no matter if because of one person or a whole guild or alliance of guilds.

I’m not going to start anything but when someone comes and says our orb just got hacked. Do you honestly think someone who is in the game and witnessed the orb hack or a person not online at work has a better shot at reporting the person lol get real. Tell me who it was and I’ll report them as well

And no it has not been all DB how quickly we forget the BG exploiting the DB empty wall and that was not a case of one person using a hack it was like 30 people and it wasn’t once it was 4 times until they got the orb and it is caught on video btw and is on this very section somewhere (actually page 11)

So not let’s not point the fingers as a few bad apples on DB when this crap happens please

First off as the title suggests DB did not hack your orb. If there is a member of the server who is using any teleport hacks you need to report said people. I personally despise this behavior, but as previously mentioned unfortunately this happens across the board. There are bad seeds everywhere, but if you don’t report the individual (s) nothing is going to happen
There have been some really shady things during this week reported from all sides and I just don’t understand why people can’t just play the way it was meant to be played

Some of you guys give way too much credit to this titan alliance, its sad really

Yea really the people on BG that play from 12 noon-probably 6am better just take their time and thank wholeheartedly their guilds that play from 6am-12noon because if it wasnt for them zerging the empty maps in your favor you wouldnt even have a score

I find this thread amusing on so many levels

Well first off it is tons easier to defend then attack successfully
if there were 50 attackers it certainly doesnt take 50 to defend the tower. You could probably defend with 1/2 as many

Kraigan.6057:

Here’s my two cents. If there were no scoreboard at all I think many folks would enjoy WvW even more. I have enjoyed this week’s matchup because our three servers seem fairly well matched (at least during the hours I can play). I enjoy the constant back and forth we are having. If there were no score and we were all playing just because it was fun, I’d be all for that.

Being from DB I would not say this is a good matchup. BG is strongest overnight like 2am est-9am est but cannot hold points after their aussies go to bed. I am not saying anything bad about either of these 2 servers but afaic BG ruined a good matchup with us and FA cause of when they are strongest and JQ ruined our match up with CD because of their overnight zergs

So as far as closer matchups go I see DB with servers like IoJ, CD, FA and we will see what this SBI is all about next week.

No i disagree

I read about an invisible man and a mesmer casting portal from stealth

How is a mesmer in stealth and how is he invisible? I dont get it
The torch stealth is what 3 sec? so how much ground can a mesmer gain in 3 sec of invis
This seems pretty blown out of proportion

I have seen mesmer use portals and I have always seen the mesmer so I guess I need that explained to me

And talking about making it castible requires a whole change to the first cast and the second cast as well. If it is channeled or has a cast time you would have to increase the length of time the first portal stays open as well.

Easiest fix is to make the portal an object and have it killable imo

You cant increase pop caps on maps unfortunately. Some servers would never reach the cap while other would cap out regardless. It would create a bigger advantage for heavier populated servers
I would certainly be in favor of more maps, and smaller caps tho

If you take out the seige rewards and add like bars of chocolate and butter then you can change them to nuetral

oh and btw what guilds transferred?

Clexzor.6351:

So you transferred to the winning server congrats…lol Oh and DB has alot of oceanic players however that server gets wrecked at night..people havto work during the day I know some have a hard time understanding that people have lives outside of WvW…you wont be missed……….nice starter pads hahahahahha

um no we dont have alot of oceanic players which is why we get points taken on us at night.
Hard to use the term wrecked when you take empty points but hey w/e floats your boat

Well nothing against BG at all except for the groups of cheaters. They do all of their progression at night. They make absolutely no headway at primetime, but they have 2 large guild who cap the empty points at night, which we take back between 9am est – 12pm est cause the one guild logs off
I have yet to see any blatent continuing fighting in chat on DB. We just kind of go in there and try to get it done

As astronomically impractical the solution mentioned in the OP is, it would work

Binafus.8153:

I dunno how you guys expect Anet to fix the fact that some servers are better than others.

It is part of any competition there are winners and losers.

Sorry but the “better” server(s) can not be determined in this system
A higher populated server isn’t a better server they win due to numbers
A server with heavy night activity isn’t a better server then a server without because leads are made and widened against nobody. Do you honestly feel that a better group of players is necessary to take unmanned objectives?

It just seems almost impossibly moronic that people associate better guilds and players with highest 24/7 population

The drop rate is fine for badges. The auto to inventory is an absolute must though. Without question I missed probably 1/2 the bags because I don’t really ever find myself being able to just stand in one place and click while I’m fighting

Let us not not confuse population and 24/7 coverage with being the best server. And really that’s the whole point of the discussion.

tarnin.1690:

mangarrage.1062:

It just never ends with some people lol
Everyone is even period
So funny how people want to do whatever it takes to get an advantage over others
There is no individuals in WvW. A person who lets say tries to accomplish stuff with a small group and die alot for doing it would be at a disadvantage of an AoEr who just follows a zerg around lol
People are unreal

So sorry your mentality of progression is so bland that it kills off games. There is a reason all the WoW lite clones die. It’s boring. People play for a bit then quit because there is little substance. You cry out “I want it NOW, i want it MY WAY, I DON’T want to work for anything!” they listen, game closes up shop or ghost towns for a while before shutting down.

The saddest part is the developers listen to carebears like you and kill their own games.

Holy lol
From a person who has been playing these games since there were these games and a person who hates WoW more then anything else in the world I do not understand your post at me at all. I am not the one asking for anything, so how am I be I want it now lol.
Sorry but youre barking up the wrong tree bro. I’m an EQ guy. I camped brother raster—twice. I raided endgame. I used to play 7pm-2am 7 days a week, because you had to, so please you are second gen you have no clue what youre talking about

The suggestion is from a wow player lol. I want an advantage. I wanna zerg to win. I want more better stuff for me. Apparently you are in that crowd and of the wow and wowlite generation
I look at this game and say finally everyone is on the same level and the game is apparently weeding out the real players from the i need an advantage to win players

It isn’t about progression it is about people like you who need something extra to win well I don’t need anything extra to win

Rndmize sorry bro but you are pretty far from reality. I cannot even believe you typed what you did
WvW ranking is all about zerging and night capping, there isn’t a stragedy to be used when a guild is a 24/7 zerg. Now a less populated server there is alot more stragedy to it because you in essence have to try to accomplish more with less, but really, lol

Night capping isn’t a valid stradegy because it requires no stragedy. If you approach a tower that is empty what brilliant stragedy is concocted exactly to successfully take that tower?

And you use words like compete and highest level.
Capping empty towers isn’t compeition, and highest level really means highest population, highest amount of coverage, and highest amount of transfers to, but what is doesn’t mean is highest level as in operating at a level better then everyone else

Do you honestly think the “highest skilled players and guilds” just so happen to be on the highest populated servers?

Do you honestly think that the lowest populated server will be able to recruit more people to actually compete in their prime time and recruit guild to their off peak time and rise out of the bottom and be in the top tier?

Cmon really?