kv has some good points although I would say you would be better off with 9 servers and not 6 but international is the way to go and should have been that way from day 1 and there were a ton of us who knew that their concept would be problematic and ofc it was.
But that is really only one problem
Culling is imo the biggest issue. It is really a disgrace it is in this state for such a long period
I think GW2 can go down in the line of history of games who marketted mass fighting etc and just simply failed. The best game honestly you have to go all the way back to DAoC which, admittedly had some bad lag and sometimes very bad lag, was a much better experience then these other games which claimed would have mass pvp and were just ridiculous systems and poor coding like Aion, Warhammer, Star Wars etc
The fact that this is basically maxed out total population and instanced and they still cannot render players regardless of computer power is outrageous.
As others have mentioned the game is free, so I don’t go full fury about it, cause I paid less for this game then the dozens of failures that preceded this
Fact is and everyone can be against this statement is you cannot have a quality game with a healthy population that lasts without carrots. It is plain and simple. I’m sure people can say gw1 lasted a long time and it did but again it was free.
I like the “no holy trinity” I like that everyone pretty much is equal as far as total stats go and people that play 20x what others do do not have any advantage is nice.
But I think it is all too easy to see that WvW success, which btw is solely determined by being a rank, is based on population, time, and coverage.
Is still til this day amuses me that companies cannot simply look at concepts that people enjoyed and create their game with those concepts in mind. Not a clone or a reskin which most games are but understand the successful concepts of the past and apply them
And as far as theives go. I cannot think of a single pvp game where people did not complain about stealth classes. I mean really back to WoW stunlock rogues the concept just simply doesn’t work, gets completely overdiscussed on forums, or they get nerfed to oblivion. Just simply stop making that type. I mean really lotro was probably the most realistic thief every other game just creates a ridiculous archtype
Thank you for the posts and pms I think I’m down to two choices now and wont make final until monday when I can actually transfer
So history on me in a nutshell. I have been almost solely a WvW player from day 1 in that time the 2 main servers I have played on are JQ and SoS. WvW has pretty much become dead to me, the culling issues have really soured it for me. In addition having that as my primary thing I did from log on to log off I am a little burned out on it as well
So now I have started doing some dungeons and Fractals and have relied on the lfg site as well as forming up outside of dungeons and in LA
So at this time I am looking for a large guild actively running dungeons and fractals. If you do wvw as well is a plus because if the culling issue gets resolved I will be gung ho for that again.
When I say large I mean large number of active players. I don’t mean a large roster.
I am really now looking to learn some of the dungeons and complete all paths in every dungeon. Being in a voice chat is certainly much more advantageous in a learning process then in a pug.
I recently made a transfer so I will not be available to all servers until Monday evening currently on EB
I currently sit at fractal 6 which I will make some progress on that this week as well. Dungeons if I am not mistaken, I am done story for AC, TA, CM, CoF, Arah, and HoV, explore I have only done 2 both TA
Could you explain the correlation between trash talk and competition?
Don’t you fill your need for immaturity just by reading over this forum?
Maybe you should check the history out
Last 2 SoS vs SoR were
270k to 188k
277k to 193k
That’s not 20k, that’s a drumming
This is something that should have been in at launch. The ability to at least put 20 people together is such a basic concept
Unfortunately culling is a failure. Appreciate the effort, but it is worse then previous.
I will give you a suggestion, get players to test your stuff previously to releasing it, it will save you alot of time.
Culling I am sorry to say has been a disgrace for too long of a time now. Me, a person who WvW about 30 hours a week, barely goes in there anymore because it isn’t fun and it isnt a challenge.
Fighting what looks to be 5 people which is actually 25 is ridiculous and just when you thought it wouldn’t get worse, you made it worse.
This should be 1st priority and over a month now you are still not close
The servers in Tier 2 (BG,SoR,IoJ) have all improved drastically over the last month. It would be nice to see one of them have a chance in Tier 1 to see how they would compete. Unfortunately, none of them will get a shot in Tier 1 because they keep playing each other to a relative draw in Tier 2. This is the problem with the current system.
How exactly have they improved they have been playing the same servers. And if they are playing to a relative draw in tier 2, they shouldn’t be in tier 1. Unless one server starts showing they can be in tier 1 by beating the tier 2 servers handily, then you will stay there.
I mean really look at the history; when JQ lost tier 1 they completely drummed the tier 2 servers, when SBI dropped they drummed the tier 2 servers, SoS drummed every tier to get to tier 1 and is now winning matches in tier 1. IoJ got drummed in tier 1 and dropped, BG came in second one week, then got drummed and SoR has never been there.
Don’t act as though you don’t know what a tier 2 server has to do to get to T1. Winning means something but winning by alot means alot more
The rating are correct and the system is working correctly
Remember it was not long ago where people were everyone was talking about how no matches were fair and servers were always blowing out the others in their tier.
Now you are talking about relative draws in your tier-that is the system working
And the system and ranking are not even considered a minor issue for WvW there is alot of other issues alot more important than that
I think every matchup since tier 4 an opposing team said, wait till next tier SoS is going to learn they are not good enough.
Doors don’t get stronger in Tier 1, you’ll be fine.
I do not know why people use the terms good and skill when discussing WvW. Do people not understand the concept of population and timezone coverage yet?
You could make a server of the best PvP players alive but if they cannot fully coverage 1 or 2 timeframes they lose period.
Sure there are competency of leaders and tactics and how much money people will dump in defending points but that is all secondary to numbers and coverage
This isnt a game of personal skill and WvW isn’t about personal skill.
Although I am for the 3 way as opposed to the two way, a two way would work in this game.
The failure of the 2 way system has always been based off of how many people fought on each side. Perfect example of this is SW such a huge imbalance of people playing sith made it impossible.
And servers in alot of games faced one side dominating the other.
In this game however there is no factions. there is no this side looks cooler then the other etc. It is server vs server, so it is all about population and coverage.
The system would work pretty much the same wvw as it does with wvwvw.
well let try to explain it another way.
That is how real life business works not this game. Sure a company like Boeing can buy all these fabricated pieces of metal from a bunch of companies and slap together a 747 and sell it for more. But is there a potential of over a million companies that can make planes?
Of all the people that play this game everyone can be everything, master everything the potential is there could be over 1 million 400 tailors. Therefore the demand for a tailored item is low, however the demand for the individual items ie gossamer, insert t6 mat here, and globs is alot higher due to many many people creating items regardless if they are just doing it for themselves or a few guild people etc
So in this game the cost of materials is actually above and should be way above the actual selling price for any crafted item
There is no answer really. If you want to talk in very broad terms then sure control the majority of all maps, but thats not what you’re looking for.
WvW is dynamic. Every move effects all three teams. Stragedies are made constantly.
More often then not your stragedy at the time gets trumped by something another team is doing
I for one never understand this although popular viewpoint, just wrong imo.
When I make something and put it on the AH it costs me almost nothing I have all the mats except thread usually which is minor. So if I sell something I am just about 99% profit
You shouldn’t be able to buy all the mats to create something else then make a profit on that
In addition its all a mute point anyway because they are now going to make yellow and orange useless now anyway with the new ascended armor, that and an adjustment on how pre reqs for legendaries are made is going to destroy the yellow and orange market
Not that they didnt destroy the market anyway with their war on bots
The easiest way is for Anet, for a period, to be competetive, but they aren’t even close. I find it actually hypocitical on Anet part to be against it because they do the same exact thing, except in their case they gouge the customer.
I follow the rules just like most others do, but until they start getting real with their prices I won’t invest anything else. There have only been 2 periods since launch where it wasn’t a horrible ratio
It is still market manipulation no matter what way you slice it
It is just manipulation from Anet
If they got rid of bots and deleted their listings, then they manipulated the market to force prices up
T6 mats as an example price increased about 5x
At one point you could find thing for like 17 or 18c 2 days ago they were in the 50c this morning I saw some over 80c
Funny as a game goes along prices on things usually go down
I’m happy about the battle against bots but a 5x inflation as a side effect isn’t all that great
I would like to see flaming seige, which was very popular. A cata and a treb both used lit ammo which it fired onto castle during seiges
The height of the population per server was during the holloween event so I wouldnt say the game is dying
transfers should be 30 day free 7 day pay
Gaming companies will never understand that having a stealth class simply doesn’t work
I do not think I have seen a stealth class that was balanced in any game I played
Perhaps the witch elf in failhammer after they made it so damage broke stealth and dots prevented stealth.
I have certainly seen this alot where thieves could stop a cap, but it is ridiculous and takes away from wvw
If the theif won’t get changed the claiming circles have to become alot smaller
Although I have no issue with the suggestions I also think it should give a point tick as well.
I wouldnt be too concerned about the focus of homeworlds being dominated by that server, because the garrison will become the focal point of those maps and would lead to alot more 2v1 fights in the garrison for the orb.
I have no issue with the garrison being a little more beefy
I also hink this is the easiest solution, although it does take out a dynamic of an ever changing focal point on the map.
Garrison will become the main focus and the 2 accompanied towers instead of a shift from the middle of the map to the east or the south.
The big downside is it would make bay and east just tickers on the map as they have no potential to host the orb
I would just simply like to see a war on hacking, but apparently it is easier to “fix” the hacking issue by removing the orbs and probably a faster way of doing it as well.
Who knows they may fix the hacking and the orbs come back in the same capacity
I do not think I can possibly disagree with the op more
The borderlands are much faster pace and you basically stated why in ou post and then went on to say the opposite
The borderlands are smaller, more compact, and alot easier to get from any spot on the map with relative ease and quickness
And I do not think I ever heard EB being labelled as for noobs.
and your “big name” guilds go to borderlands because it is harder to defend points and you can much easier get attacked on 2 sides simultaneously
Not saying EB isnt fun or anything, but if you watch eb map on several server you would know that map has the most consistancy to it. I can’t tell you how many times I have looked at that map to see 1/3,1/3,1/3 with only a supply camp and maybe the keep changing hands
and the peasants rejoice
I am very glad they are doing this and I hope they do come back in some way in the future, but as they are they are bad.
So bravo for the decision and I thank you very much for the update as well
We customers like improvements and we like info so thanks for both
Afaic with the change from 1 day to 1 week on xfers and this, I feel they are taking from very nice steps to making WvW better
I actually am more or less relaxing this week and I am looking at the matchups really from a non routing viewpoint. I always watch the matchups, bu I like to look for interesting tidbits
This week I am watching SoS and BG here is 2 servers separated by 80 rating points, both benefitting by being the lowest server in the bracket, and when BG was winning this wasn’t even newsworthy, but now that they are in 2nd and SBI is increasing their lead and JQ is decreasing the lead BG has on them, their evolution is declining, whereas SoS is continuing to dominate their teir, increasing their lead.
So I keep waiting for updates to see the projected rating for those 2 servers
The system has some anomolies that just shouldn’t be. But it is possible for BG to take 2nd in their T1 match and SoS who is 6 leap above them in rating, putting them back in t2
This shouldn’t be, and most likely will not happen but it is still possible and plenty of time to make up that 80pts
Right now there are two class of players as I see it: those that take pride in their server and work to improve the community on it, and those that exhibit no allegiance to anything other than being on the winning team.
I was going to say I havent seen a more ridiculous statement but I stopped myself
First off I will say with 100% accuracy that if you started on let’s say 20 of the other servers other then SBI you wouldve transferred period
SBI is probably the only server who has:
1) showed any kind of constancy
2) avoided the bandwagoners-ie the hoarde of incompetence
SBI has only had one week not in t1 and now has won their first t1 match and may very well win 2 and take server rank 1.
Very easy to make a statement like that in that situation, thereby me calling it ridiculous
With victory comes the pain. I personally do not want you to experience it but if you rank 1 you will and then we will see how much server pride you have when all of a sudden 1/2 your guild is in queue, 20+ people per map are doing the jumping puzzle, no guildtag bandwagoners are stealing supply from keeps and repairing walls that are being trebbed until there is 0 supply in your keep. Guild mates spending 3+ hours in a queue then logging off
It is very fun I assure you.
Like I said I hope it doesn’t happen but if it does and guilds leave in droves I would be curious how the whole server pride thing lasts.
I personally have no shame at all in my 2 moves at all and I moved from a t2 server to another t2 server and then I moved from a t1 server to a t3 server, not that I am ignorant to the masses that just go to #1 because its #1, but I think you generalization is very poor
I personally wouldnt be 100% certain of having SoS again next week. There is a chance they will jump to tier 1. All depends on how bg performs today and tomorrow
Fluff or titles sure anything else absolutely not
I guess one thing of interest is that BG and SoS are separated by only 90 points as of right now with 1 1/2 days to go with SoS rating should only go up, albeit slightly
Would be interesting for BG to actually get 2nd place and drop out of t1. Highly unlikely but we’ll know in a day
rez mechanics definetly need a change. Downed state=rez Totally dead=respawn
When totally dead you go to map view
No idea why it is the way it is or why they keep it this way but its a bad design
In your example of attacker fighting a keep, they really have an endless # of people attacking cause they can keep rezzing over and over. Its a really dumb concept
Well if you want to be the underdog again. You will be a huge underdog next week
If IoJ wakes up out of its coma and SoS is as strong as I think they are, you’re gonna have alot of issues
@Psy.6153
Perhaps you failed to realise that Guild Wars 2 is not just played in NA. I guess it is YOU who is out of the loop. Moreover, only six viable servers out of a possible 3 × 8 is not ‘balanced’. Denying that there are huge issues is ludicrous.@mangarrage.1062
The problem, in my opinion, is not just transfers. Or do you think some of the European servers can compete with Desolation? Do you think the US servers that do not have Asian/Oceanic players can compete?
I don’t know EU servers although I do know Ruin went over there and to answer your question no, they cannot. Any server w/o 24/7 coverage or close simply cannot compete and we’ve known this for over a month now.
I do not have the answer unfortunatley. There were 2 things they couldve done at launch
The smartest would’ve been to have no desination on servers at all, no EU, no NA, no french no german etc and see how that wouldve worked out
The second is since they made the server segregated they should have IP locked, which they would have gotten cascades of tears from everyone and their mother, but WvW would’ve been better then it is now.
At this point I honestly don’t know, the longer a bad system stays alive, the harder it is to get rid of.
I want what most people want, an even game win or lose, ranking or no ranking, just something I can be engaged with for 7 days. There has never been a week where I have played everyday for a length of time and I want to
I disagree as well
Here’s a scenario for you let say in your matchup one of the server you are against just got 5 large guilds and you get completely blown out. The following week the same thing happens in your next match up and again you get completely destroyed and spawn camped.
Yes its happened to servers and yes that server it happened to now is like a ghost town.
Transfers allow this to happen and it can happen to any server any week at any tier and it is just not acceptable
I am starting to see you effect though really on NA servers seems to be a cluster of transfer to servers and the other server are dying one by one. I for one do not think this makes it good but if your envisionment comes to full fruition it will be better for the game as a whole but all the garbage alot of servers are going through aren’t really worth it tbh
secondly having a jumping puzzle in WvW is the poorest game design imaginable. What they should do to quell this is that when they zone into the jumping puzzle itself, they cease to be a part of the allowed number in the bg and when they zone out they zone out to Lion’s Arch
SBI is like Seattle Slew-2 weeks in a row they are closing like a door
If you are outmanned at the start, the system will adjust you down, plain and simple. If you are even when you start and are getting blown out, that’s pretty much on your server tbh
You have to start looking at how you go about everything.
Now generalizing ofc here and no offense, but seeing non t1 servers and no upgrades on taken points alot more zerging around instead of area based fortification play, total lack of seige when a point gets taken, almost no priority in escorting dolyaks etc. All of these things need to be looked at. Maybe you are just playing on a casual server. I personally play more when we’re losing then when we’re winning
@ OP
You are out of the loop my friend.
As of next week, theres going to be 6 servers all equally capable of winning Tier 1 in NA.
You mentioned SoS winning by a landslide, this is because IoJ guilds are for the vast majority PvX guilds, and have been taking in the Halloween Events. Sure this doesnt take too long, but obviously some would rather farm it this week, and others looked at the score and thought… ok week off.We know IoJ are capable of being at the top as they proved lasy week being within 1000 points of the leaders until Halloween hit, i expect them to be back in force next reset. Blackgate are showing their newfound strength with their bandwaggoners, and also Sanctum of Rall with their transfers are showing that they deserve to be up here too by walking their game, and losing a very tight final day game last week to SoS.
This gives basically, SBI, BG, JQ, IoJ, SoS, and SoR. All capable of beating each other.
Thats healthy competition my friend, as long as the 7th place onwards doesnt have a constant dominant winner, i cant see these 6 moving.
All due respect here IoJ, SoS, SoR, and as of right now BG hasnt beaten any T1 servers. SoS and SoR havent even seen t1 and IoJ was there for a cup of coffee.
I think SoS is a t1 server but remember its not PvD overnight in T1
We’ll see. JQ is also declining. 3 weeks ago it was at peak, and 3 weeks ago they would be blowing out sbi and bg but they arent the same. Lost last week and in 3rd this week, that server is going to have more flux yet as well
I would like to see 6 servers all t1 viable, but idk if we really have that yet
Speaking solely from the US server as I have not been paying attention to the EU side.
First off the matchups are alot better this week then last.
And I will point out yet again. There is no issue with the system and rankings
The issue is transfers.
The system is in place to rank servers based on performance and it does just that.
But at any point in time at all any server any week can explode with new guilds and people
That effect causes server to be over ranked and under ranked
There will never be a ranking system that will be able to account for population shifts. A server is ranked on its performance that week and it moves accordingly
Problem is guilds and people move way too much and therefore the system can’t work
HoD and ET were 2 perfect examples on the US side. These were both T1 servers and good ones now they are falling tiers every week because of this. HoD especially because they were ranked 1 for 3 weeks are very slowly receding even though they are getting blown out.
Plain and simple the 7 days will still not stabilize servers. You will need 30 days as it should be anyway
If you have no movement and you allow the system 3 weeks the 4th week will be very competitive across all tiers
Without a stabilize pop per server the system will never be able to work
this definetly allieviates part of the problem for sure.
I honestly don’t see why so many people are looking for a WvW lockout timer in addition to a 7 day transfer time.
I think this will definetly help with the teir manipulation that we saw in past weeks because they won’t be able to get back to their server immediately so I see that as positive.
I still think 14 or even 30 is a better figure, but I’ll take the 7
And as far as it effecting PvE players. You have a server full of players if you can’t do events, then I don’t know what to say
As Dennis Green would say “They are who we thought they were”
were you guys on jq?
Well gratz sbi. No idea at al how you did it. I mean I get how you overnight early morning capped, but to hold off at prime time is certainly my hats off.
And I will thank you as I have been waiting to get away from the pugs now. Think a nice tier 4 or 5 server will be a nice change of pace.
I would doubt guilds will leave jq but who knows I mean they will still be ranked 1
Thanks to all sbi and ioj on a great week. I doubt I will see any of you for awhile
This isnt going to work and I too disagree with it. What if right now 3 or 4 guilds on a few servers decide they want to leave and move and they decide HoD is their new home. You get a shot in the arm
I’m not saying this will happen at all, but the system is set up that at any time any server can get munipulated with transfers to lobside a match
And I also agree 100% with what shadowstalker wrote
People don’t want to be part of the solution they want to a part of the problem, then complain about the problem
what did df2 decide about wiping characters? I havent really been following it that much
DF was really only for super hardcore PvP people, problem is not alot exist which makes it very hard to be a hit
I do not understand this need for progression.
Every progression individual or guild can be manipulated making them completely useless, thereby having none serves the same purpose
Your suggestions for what it is based on the higher ranked people will be the people that play the most or exchange the most gems for gold, therefore it isnt any kind of ranking at all
These suggestions do not promote continuity at all and if you need anything other then being ranked 1 as a purpose idk what to say
Individual hidden goals are fine and titles as a reward are fine too
JQ packs a hell of a punch, especially when during the day everything gets hella upgraded, we are trying to cap anything we can in sight to keep that tick high when we have more of the SBI population on, we’re not too far behind I think we can either get really really close or quite possibly take it!
Plenty of time if SBI can hold what they have now by midnight est they will be winning. Obviously if they take more its less time. It isnt over
You are absolutely right. I thought for certain we would lose this week simply cause we could only field certain organized guild forces fri-sat-sun primetime and the scores certainly dictated that. And losing 3 or so guilds last week didnt help either.
It really is just a matter of time. Who knows how this will finish, what guild will move before next week and where. And you are also absolutely correct that you do not want the mass transfers of individuals to your server cause it is alot worse then people think it is, alot.
I wonder who this pro WvWer is
Obviously someone who just moves server to server and in his own incompetence cannot make a difference, so you hop around.
Give Kaineng a break oh wise one and move along to your next server that you will stay on for a few days
@elderan
No we don’t. I guarantee you that 50% of SBI absolutely wants nothing to do with First place. You can continue to try and pat yourself on the back pretending you are winning against an equal force using superior skills but you are only convincing yourself. I am giving no excuses for why SBI is losing im just saying you are more full of yourself than anyone you are trying to shoot down.
So I guess its the other 50% who got 60% of the map and all 3 orbs in the wee hours?
Are you actually now admitting-for your server-that you play for 2nd place?
Furthermore are you saying that SBI can in fact beat JQ anytime they want, but they don’t solely for the reason that they do not want to have the transfers to their server?
Interesting post. I always love to see a server out there trying to act as though they were something pre mass transfer
You had a reputation of being a tough server and that is why you gained the transfers?
Can we step back and be real please.
In you match vs DB, remember that? or werent you on BG at that time. You were losing to a server who during the week had no coverage from like 2am-6pm every week day. That is what caused the DB mass exodus, they were very strong during prime time, but like alot of servers had only coverage during that time at that’s it.
Then miraculously you took over like a 12k lead PvDing and then cried that you were just playing more.
It was this garbage imo that started this whole mass guilds going one place or another.
Fact of the matter is TTW or transfer to win has occured more inmasse on BG then any other server. Not individuals xfering mind you-guilds-which is a big difference when comparing with servers like IoJ-JQ-SBI
And you say things if we have gotten better to face SBI and T1 servers, you haven’t gotten better you have gotten more people.
And your guilds moving temporarily into other tiers to mess with matchups is a disgrace
Its not hate, from me anyway, it is just that BG empitimizes everything that is wrong with the WvW system. You are a shining example of ttw and match exploitation.
As far as I am concerned you manipulated your way into t1 and the expense of IoJ, who really is a legitamate t1 server, who earned their right to be there
You guys didnt and I can only hope you get the spanking you deserve
For me it was also when all the people were piping up about how all these people were transferring to JQ. I replied every single time I look at the server JQ always says full, then they replied no server is full all the time. So I started checking when I would log for the night and low and behold JQ was heavy. Sometimes before I go to work, like this morning for example JQ was heavy. I don’t know how many guilds transfer, but I would think tons of singles did, but yea I guess there could be some PvE people but I think that effect would have been sooner then now.
lol notrub Ive been in t1 for awhile now thanks tho and no it hasnt happened before this week.
And do you honestly think that tier 2-8 dont have 60-80 people fighting at the same time? really? As if tier 1 has a higher pop cap per map or something lol
So yea it is new this week for me. I have had lag ofc but I never had abilities not fire until we had a three way in garrison on Sat.
I have had 3 ways in bay with no issues
I don;t think it is really an issue of whether or not they know it. It is a question of why haven’t they changed it, or even addressed it.
All we have seen is some guy try to tell us that more people switched to lower ranked servers then higher
As I guess in someway that could be correct. IE full ta guilds migrating to lower servers, but I think we all know there is movement to about 6 servers total and not 24