After that he/she suggested we kill champs and even bothered to explain Orrian Champ Spiders. I read of their Malrona-like mechanism but it was my first time putting that into play. The champs basically all lasted less than 10secs. I do not know if all DnT members are like that but it certainly left me a good impression.
Who is this person so I can kick them. Killing optional champ spiders? What kind of casual is this wearing our tag?!
I am no where near being an Elite player, it is extremely unlikely i will ever see someone from D’n’T join my group to help me learn more paths. If LFG is covered with “no noobs/experience players only”, I will just post my own group with specific details on what I want and what they could expect.
Well, now that you mention it.. We do pug from time to time. Sometimes for fun, other times we’re just short a person. Here’s a recent experience.
Today we did a fotm 38. We needed a pug to fill last slot. After gearchecking and kicked 5 or so people who were in various awful gear sets claiming to be ‘zerker’ which they were not, we finally got someone in the correct gear. I will not mention the name of this person but I can tell you that he claimed to be a top pvper. He was a thief, and the entire run he camped his shortbow. We asked him to please melee, because the dps was awful, it felt like a 4 man team. His response was to stand in melee range with the shortbow, autoattacking. We really strained to be nice to him, but he blew up and started throwing out insults left right and centre at us. He claimed that his shortbow was good dps, that he needed it to survive, that he was a top pvper and far exceeded our skill in every way, and that we were bad.. etc etc. In the end we kicked him.
This is why we avoid pugs. They are a lost cause. If they want to learn, if they truly want to learn, they can go out of their way and look at our various videos and build guides. It should not be up to us to educate the people who refuse to be educated. It should not be up to us, to take responsibility for people who wont take responsibility for themselves. You are absolutely correct in stating that people should not expect things to be handed to them on a silver platter, the sad reality of it is that most of them do expect this.
I actually did managed to get into an Arah p2 pug with a DnT. I still remembered the handle. It was 1 of the only 2 sub 2mins lupi fights I ever had till date. After that he/she suggested we kill champs and even bothered to explain Orrian Champ Spiders. I read of their Malrona-like mechanism but it was my first time putting that into play. The champs basically all lasted less than 10secs. I do not know if all DnT members are like that but it certainly left me a good impression.
On the other hand. I have also pugged with another player who previously asked for advise on a tafu thread. He/she wanted a speedrun. His/her idea of a speedrun is to run ahead, not to rez anyone who is downed in boss fights. Even though I have rezzed him when he got killed. When the party complained, he told us to look at the post description and read the “speedrun” description. I also remembered his/her name. Probably with more effect since it is now in my block list.
Most topics are about trash-killers complaining on trash-skippers. Rarely the other way around. Everyone has the choice to play either way with likeminded ppl. But most of the conflict arises when trash-killers are fixated on changing dungeons such that skipping is not possible and thereby the removing such choice.
The exclusion of dragonite from dungeons is purposeful and not an oversight. While I would like to have dragonite obtainable in dungeons, I doubt it will happen.
When you stack every member is hit by every melee attack, as well as her cone attack. The benefit is that every member is also hit with every boon and is rezzed easily. But like someone mentioned above, stacking doesn’t work well with lower level characters because they just can’t sustain the damage.
Dodge into the wall when SQ does her melee attack. Prepare cond removal to cure immobilize from her cone attack.
I know how to do the fight, my point is stacking has its place. The spider queen stacked is fine, but some parties go overboard on the stacking and end up making it more difficult for themselves.
And I was being specific to the SQ example. For that encounter, you don’t have to get “hit by every melee attack”.
When you stack every member is hit by every melee attack, as well as her cone attack. The benefit is that every member is also hit with every boon and is rezzed easily. But like someone mentioned above, stacking doesn’t work well with lower level characters because they just can’t sustain the damage.
Dodge into the wall when SQ does her melee attack. Prepare cond removal to cure immobilize from her cone attack.
If you can, start the dungeon yourself. Due to the amt of coordination need, this is a rage-quitter’s heaven. And if someone else starts it, make sure he/she doesn’t have “something to attend to in the next 30mins”.
But yes, whenever possible run it with fixed group. I got a good pug group for the dungeon and completed it, ie. players who are willing to change skills, listen to different suggestions and follow advise (which are not even necessary correct). But it is just so risky to pug consistently.
No it isn’t bad. But like you said, so many coordination parts. The mob hp I think is pretty acceptable. I will not be surprised if full zerk parties kill the last boss in 1 shield rotation (or even before it could setup the shield).
But infinite mob spawns mechanics are present. Hence “next-gen clown cars.”
I would said that people who complain about skipping is either don’t know how to use their skills to skip mobs or not good enough to kill boss w/ a limited number of players.
I would completely agree. I personally solo some dungeons (well I only managed to solo 1 path till date, the rest are just attempts) in order to train myself to skip mobs.
Was commenting on “new dungeon players” part as it seems there is a slight increase in trash skipping complainers and I assumed due to the new lfg tool. And I find it a stretch that players can enjoy killing dungeon trash after running the said paths hundreds of times. There be possibly such players out there, but I wonder how many of them there are.
Killing trash has no long term incentives driving it for ppl to kill them. Exploratory and immersion value run out as you run it time and time again. I would think most players who complain about skipping have only began to dungeon, but once they had their fill of killing trash runs on unique paths they moved on.
Currently dungeons give players the choice to organize themselves accordingly so they can cater to trash killers and skippers. But not many ppl would like to kill arah risen illusionists and mages for a porous bone loot.
I have been in groups that that kept him alive for the entire fight before. Ones I can remember involve 2 eles spamming area heal combos on him. The fight became noticeably drawn-out but also became rather simple since the party generally do not get targeted.
Alas, I always skipped the cutscene so I wouldn’t have notice any dialouge changes. (Not that I remembered how the original dialouge was anyways)
More specifically;
The Left hand striking the floor causes spiked vines to pop up from the floor under each party member*.
If this is the attack I think it is, it doesn’t affect all party members (if by “each” you mean all). The attack is a single target immobilize with a little dmg. This attack is mostly no big deal unless your party is using the kiting strat.
With all the uproar about how everyone should be 100% berserker dps-focused, it’s nice to hear a story of how a tanky, defensive focused player can make a positive difference in a group.
I choose you, Swifty.
Swiftpaw is the elitist the casuals need, but not the elitist the casuals deserve
There are actually 2 minigames in the pug lupi for melee. P2 there is “tag dat lupi” minigame if you have ranged team mates and P3 has “stay away from that other melee who is strafing left and right like crazy and causing non-stop bubbles” minigame.
I try to do pug p4 on weekends after my p1, 2 and 3 dailies. Will take a while to fill up but shouldn’t be a problem. The difference with the path is that it takes significant longer than other paths and contain more bosses. If you have a team that can coordinate, simin is overrated.
Pls avoid pulling crusher from hunter unless you or someone in your party is competent in pulling it separately. Because a wrong pull will cause both to be pulled anyways or worse, the risen by the doorway to be rezzed. Fight them both in the same starting area, which really is more interesting.
And I agree with champ to tell the party that you are new. Not all parties mind first timers on p3 or p2. And it is painfully obvious if fakers join, as well as annoying if they do not sound off.
Have you done the other 3 paths? The end boss just sits there while you auto attack him down -.-
Story mode doesn’t have a similar tree model boss that other explorables have. And no, I don’t just auto-attack those bosses. Prefer to melee them and dodge when appropriate.
If its because TA is too easy, then well then I guess its a blanket issue with other dungeons too.
Erm I don’t know bout you but for those discussing classes best to carry pugs, carrying pugs is generally thankless and unrewarding. At least for me, I wouldn’t choose a class so that I can carry pugs. But hey, if thats your thing then more power to you.
Honestly the stairs method is dumb as hell and in the time it takes to setup, the boss would probably be dead from melee burst dmg. Seriously, you can see the boss start-up for breath/laser attacks a mile away and simply lure adds into fire circles to be instagibbed. The extent to which players do to attack “safely” in this game is ridiculous.
I havent been running CoE but from what I read, ppl bait out his stomp attack and dps later. Based on what I know, Wethospu got the cooldown for that attack to be 33secs. So if the fight last that long, the party might have to bait out the stomp attack again.
Sounds like players should get soulstones and get summon randomly to dungeons to become invader enemies.
Anyways, I too am curious of what OP meant by “better tactics”. Although I am certain he doesn’t mean predictable as one would need to run a certain path a number of times and learn the tells before enemies start becoming predictable. Definitely not for first timers.
Well OP there is no solution to newcomers who won’t sound off they are new and yet refuse to listen. Just advertise the best you can and hopefully the right kind of players join. I, too have no problem with teaching newcomers and have done so. But sometimes I enjoy smooth runs when everyone reads the description and joins.
Maybe the lfg tool made it marginally easier for newcomers to join and somehow some of them don’t think its necessary to sound off and ignore advice. But in time, it should level out as ppl who currently enjoy dungeons should continue to do so.
No native lodestone drops from chest. Boring armour and stats. Rares you can’t salvage for ectos. 1 gold per path which doesn’t compliment the above shortcomings well.
I only run it when a guildie asks for it. Even then they usually need the tokens for some gifts or something I rarely run it on my own initiative.
It is because Anet treats ascended weapons as a carrot for players to do other content. Even if the players do not actually enjoy doing the said content.
Lucky for me, answers in a forum (or the video game itself) doesn’t trigger my emotions.
Kholer was a complete separate comment. The only thing to discuss is if the burrows event in P1 is or not skip able with no exploits. So far the answer remains no.
Ps. I’m not in favor or against skipping this event. Just want to know if its possible exploit free cause I’d be willing to give it a try on my own.
Yes I am well aware since you have mentioned the bolded part more than enough times. The “happy” I was referring to was more of a “If you are not satisfied” definition and not to trigger any emotional response.
It is just semantics as I treat what you are asking for a contradiction. The definition of skipping the burrows event itself is an exploit. The method itself whether skipping it legit or via exploit doesn’t matter
You don’t have to complete the burrow event for the path to be completed.
Im taking about the burrow event where you find the first piece of the scepter, where you have to keep Hodgins alive. How you solo that I’m not sure, neither how to continue the path without doing it and without exploits
That was the event I was talking about.
How do you go on without this event? is the question we’ve been asking since the beginning of the thread. Do you really know or are you just trolling for sport?
That would involve telling you how to exploit by using what is likely to be terrain glitches. No I do not know how it is done and I don’t think it should be publicly revealed on the forums.
I asked specifically how do you do it without exploits. So I guess he was trolling after all.
If so, then my previous answer was correct; unless there is a smart strat against that event, it can’t be solo.
If you want a legit method, check out the elementalist solo eirewolf linked.
That event is part of a dungeon path progression unlike kholer. The notion of progressing without doing the said event IS an exploit. But if you aren’t happy with this answer then so be it.
You don’t have to complete the burrow event for the path to be completed.
Im taking about the burrow event where you find the first piece of the scepter, where you have to keep Hodgins alive. How you solo that I’m not sure, neither how to continue the path without doing it and without exploits
That was the event I was talking about.
How do you go on without this event? is the question we’ve been asking since the beginning of the thread. Do you really know or are you just trolling for sport?
That would involve telling you how to exploit by using what is likely to be terrain glitches. No I do not know how it is done and I don’t think it should be publicly revealed on the forums.
Also, I don’t want super fast ultra speed to get the reward when i do a dungeon… I run dungeons for fun, not reward.
Fighting > Ressing zerk players
What makes you think i (as a zerk player) don’t play for fun?
Thats not what i ment. I ment that i PREFER to have non zerks in my party because MOST zerk users don’t know how to dodge so they are lying on the floor most of the time which isn’t fun for me. I am not saying you don’t play for fun
Then I believe your issue is with ppl who do not know how to dodge and use active defences.
To the OP,
At one point one of my guild officers and raid leader was yelling at me that my berzerker build was not good enough because my dmg was not high enough.So i had to make a reaserch to see how can i increase the kitten dps without changing to much the build.
