Guild Wars 2

blood rogue nation.6752:

p.s. how the hell do you guys put up with the higher tiers. the lag wars is unbelievable!
after our push on sm today i could put a piece of bread in my cd drive and toast it lol

You ain;t seen nothing yet until you’re against Abaddon’s Mouth. My gfx card resides at a consistent 100º C when fighting against those guys even in supply camps :P

Parthis.2091:

Cliff Spradlin.3512:

multivira.7925:

I would love to make something like this for WvW so we can see where the different guilds are operating. Would this be ‘legal’ to make? Just positions for our allies.

Yes. I discussed this scenario with the WvW team, and they’re totally OK with this usage of our APIs.

Their only requirement is that player positions should not be posted publicly, since obviously it would then be used by opposing teams.

… and the impact of an overlay that allows users to send data to other users (allies) stating “blob of 80 XX here”, “20 at my position”, etc etc in WvW? Essentially, a ‘spotting mechanic’ externalised from GW2?

Lots of potential here. Will we see a mechanism that is supported by the API or the client natively? Particularly these app ideas are allowed?

HAI JDGE

you know we want it.

Definitely gonna have some fun with this and see how we can make it work for us :P

jaimy better post up that video soon or ill regret paying that 100g

I’m a sucker :P Oh and cheers to all the enemy dudes we had fun with tonight whoever you may be!

Oh and the ‘and such’ is also not really a proper way to say things but meh

Excuse my long kitten sentences, I suck at the erm writing and such.

jaimy or robin or something

Anet prioritizes PvE above already. Updates they do add to WvW are singly focused on their goals for WvW such as more siege, more encouragement of blobbing by adding player rewards as WPX, Karma and fancy chests that might drop a precursor.

You can also get precursors just fighting sweet little groups of enemies guys, even though this is not promoted!

I agree that Anet seems to missing out on a large number of people that love to fight against other guilds without the interruption of those walls and gates that are just a pain in the kitten to get down to get to the juicy center that’s all the enemies that might actually just run away as soon as you finally manage to break through to them.

WvW is all about placing siege to draw out enemies to fight these days and we would love to have some system where we don’t have to go through the motions of placing some random blueprints to draw in the lootbags. I mean well respected enemies and such, preferably in bite sized packages.

Sure was an interesting night. We chose to team up with XxX right at the time it was no longer necessary. Was a bit of a shame really :P

Cliff Spradlin.3512:

multivira.7925:

I would love to make something like this for WvW so we can see where the different guilds are operating. Would this be ‘legal’ to make? Just positions for our allies.

Yes. I discussed this scenario with the WvW team, and they’re totally OK with this usage of our APIs.

Their only requirement is that player positions should not be posted publicly, since obviously it would then be used by opposing teams.

It would probably be shared on a password protected site or client shared between different guilds so we can better organize our movements. Thanks for answering, this should be fun

I would love to make something like this for WvW so we can see where the different guilds are operating. Would this be ‘legal’ to make? Just positions for our allies.

Polarbear.5896:

How about a reasonably official tool, to extract and assemble the uncompressed map tiles out of the DAT file? Currently need to use Photoshop and hand assembly. As a personal hobby, I like to assemble the maps for games, did it for the first Guild Wars, as well as WoW and all its expansions. Memory, disk space, and bandwidth are no issue for me either.

Aren’t the ones you can get from the zoomed API good enough? Haven’t looked into the DAT file an awful lot so can’t really say if they’re different :P

On a happier note, YAY Miller’s Sound again!!!

Really happy about that

Good luck RoF, hope you can manage to have some fun while being outmanned pretty much non stop

MS and Gandara both have quite a few smaller guilds so if you guys run some guilds we can definitely have some fun!

Thanks to a lot of evil enemies for a fun night, I don’t know where the hell we were but we had a blast there. Thanks to [ping] for hanging out with us, hope you enjoyed our company :P

Awesome, mortars are my favourite class in WvW, they really needed to be buffed. Wait, what?

That video made me spit out my popcorn

Grabs popcorn

I glanced at the #posts in the other threads and we are really lacking. How on earth will other servers respect us if we can’t even manage 400 posts. This story better not end this fast Dranul. I am disappoint.

Hmmm, well I do suppose we haven’t had this forum fight in a while and the previous one seems to be cooling off

TUP v XxX forum bash will possibly push this thread to 8 pages, which is quite respectable for a match-up thread I’d say. Let’s get ready to rummmbblleee!

I’d just like to apologize for any mudslinging. The comment about the hand-holding really annoyed me after a very crappy night where we specifically decided not to team up with XxX in order to hit some bigger groups (the size necessary to fights groups such as TUP or Mya when they’re out in full force).

Instead we decided to just stay our small group since we had a lot of fun the same way the day before and were introducing someone in our guild to our ‘organized’ WvW tactics. Sadly, this night there were no fun fights to be found and instead we get the pleasure of being ‘accused’ of hand holding when all we did was suicide on a massive blob like we’ve done countless times before regardless of who and what they were fighting as it’s what we tend to do quite a lot.

Hope tonight is better, and if not I’ll try and keep my mud to myself as I almost managed last night until a certain comment :P

HAI ALL

DarkSpirit.7046:

Parthis.2091:

You can’t simply say “a null name from an API that deals in world names must be ignored” – that’s not robust, that is an assumption. Should it never make it into the dataset at the client end, or does the name become “Unknown” (if so, should the service do that, localised?), or does null now mean something important in the context of the API (world offline?) and is in-fact valid in the future.

I am not saying to null-check everything. I am saying that you should check the validity of your data, taken from the api, before you process them, if you code based on those assumptions.

For example, if having a null value world name would cause your program to crash because your code assumes that world names would never be null, then you should have a check that world names from the api are indeed not null before your code uses the data.

What you decide to do upon encountering a null value world name is up to you, but at least you write code that caught it before it causes your program to crash down the line. It helps to be a little paranoid when it comes to consuming data from a third party API.

Lesson learned indeed.

I’m just gonna keep my contribution to this thread constructive so:
HAI JDGE

Dark Lord Killer.9473:

multivira.7925:

Dark Lord Killer.9473:

Great example now: [JDGE] [TDA] [XxX] [ONS] GG Gandara!

Yeah the 5 TDAs must have really scared you. All we did was run into your arrow cart and punt the person off with a hammer for giggles. We are such evil blobbers… Oh and a suicide rush to end the night to show our support to JDGE as it looked like osi was trying to get them killed again with his portal magics :P

This was the only place to get any fights with AG, the reason you are compared to riverside is because you played like riverside and even they weren’t as eager on the cannons as you lot were tonight. Couldn’t even have a fun fight with the only enemies on the map actually willing to come out as a small guild (thank you MS, we appreciated it) without a couple of cannons interrupting us wherever we went.

We’re not playing like RS or AM, we come out and play, always. We don’t build 5 ac’s everywhere. We had siege in the open field, but so did you, Gandara, to be exact, we had one AC and you had one superior AC and two ballistas. Next to that, your screenshot doesn’t show it fairly, there were at least 50 Gandarans around the corner there. Next to that, we are pugs, you are guilds.

By the way, if you told me that Gandarans wouldn’t shoot me if I moved into the range of a cannon they manned, I would tell you you had lost your mind.

Where did I complain about you building arrow carts? It gave us something fun to do to end the night with, as it was pretty much a complete bust. My screenshot shows it perfectly fairly, just look at the minimap, you see plenty of Gandarans on there. Not sure what you’re getting at, the screenshot was just of what we charged into with the 5 of us to end the night with, which sadly was the best fight we had with AG all evening.

I don’t know what caused it, but I’ve never been hit by cannons this much ever. There was no way to ninja anything as every gate was being defended by a couple of AG guys, we’ve been running around all night trying to find something to do (yes, just us, not holding hands) so please don’t suggest to split off from the other guilds to distract you elsewhere as that’s what we’d been doing all night. This is exactly the same experience we’ve had when fighting riverside: scouts in every structure eager to shoot at anything that moves all night long.

So to wrap it up: No structures to take and no groups outside to fight with, except for the occasional blob. The funny thing is that we were on the same borderland at the same time yesterday and had one of our best nights ever and now one of the worst nights with us behaving the exact same way, so yeah I’m disappointed in what happened.

And yeah your strategy is very effective, nobody ever dares say Riverside is not effective that way. It is however not fun to play against, just as people complain about Riverside not being fun to play against in that way. Feel free to play the way you want, but you’re going to get the exact same complaints day in day out about that way if it’s like Riverside.

Dark Lord Killer.9473:

Great example now: [JDGE] [TDA] [XxX] [ONS] GG Gandara!

Yeah the 5 TDAs must have really scared you. All we did was run into your arrow cart and punt the person off with a hammer for giggles. We are such evil blobbers… Oh and a suicide rush to end the night to show our support to JDGE as it looked like osi was trying to get them killed again with his portal magics :P

This was the only place to get any fights with AG, the reason you are compared to riverside is because you played like riverside and even they weren’t as eager on the cannons as you lot were tonight. Couldn’t even have a fun fight with the only enemies on the map actually willing to come out as a small guild (thank you MS, we appreciated it) without a couple of cannons interrupting us wherever we went.

I tried not to post anything nonconstructive tonight, but it has really been the most aggravating night in WvW since I first started. Mostly due to false expectations I suppose indeed. I really try and stay positive, but well, bah.

edit:
@Rayne Lee: I suppose you’re right, I was really looking forward to WvW today after the great night on AG BL yesterday. Sadly it turned into a horrible night and I feel bad for a guildie we were taking out for the first time today and sadly not having found him a single enjoyable fight. It might also have been part of the reason that single AG people were ripped in half by guild groups as it was a very inviting sight to see one not on a cannon.

Wolfey.3407:

multivira.7925:

Wolfey.3407:

Easy Hacking Fix:
-Patch Up your guys Privacy Policy
-Create a database of all known hacking and botting programs
-3 pt database check to see if the players is running the program
~On client Launch
~At Character Select Screen
~Switching zones
-If a player is running a hack and the check confirms it via database check:
~Flags the account as being a possible hacker, No actions are taken (no auto bans)
~A message is displayed to the correct anet staff to investigate it
~Anet takes the proper action
-If no action is taken within 30 minutes (anet asleep on the job) a 24 hour ban is issued as a precautionary event. Message sent to the correct anet staff saying "acctname has been automatically banned for 24 hours for running ____ hack. "
It would then be up to the anet staff member to increase, decrease or let the 24 hour ban stand.

Lots of successful games run a system similar to this, if not a lot more complex or robust…. why GW2 is stuck with an archaic report and wait 2-3 hours system is beyond me.

Detecting hacks (client side) isn’t as easy as you think. I’m guessing they don’t detect illegal movement server-side because it’s too processor intensive, or at least I hope that is the reason. Considering how laggy things already get because of CPU overload I can’t really blame them for not adding extra checks into that laggy mess.

It would be a lot easier than trying to detect what hacking programs people are running on their own PC though. Blizzard has attempted this a LOT and dedicated a lot of time and money towards making it work and hacks and bots are still prevalent in their games, simply because the owner of the client has full access to all of the anti-hack code running there.

It actually is that easy….
I will admit that creating it would be the most time consuming aspect if you are hand scripting every line.

Blizarrds issue is that they allow every 3rd party program known to man kind to run with their clients. So if you ban some one on a blizzard game they can just say “Oh i was just updating my hud skin and trying to play custom mp3s” and they would get off with no problem.

That is not the case with Guild Wars 2, with Guild Wars 2, you aren’t authorized to run 3rd party programs to alter the game.

If server lag is an issue, you can always outsource to a security company like:
VAC
PunkBuster
Game Guard
Game Shield

Game Guard & Punkbuster are probably the best of the 4
Since Game Guard is based in Korea along with NCSOFT, there may be a better partnership and discount possibilities.

What I meant was, any program running on my PC can be altered by me to not report me using external programs. In the end it’s the server that’s not supposed to trust anything the client sends it, as the client should rightfully be assumed to be compromised.

I want to thank [HI] and [YMCA] for the fights on AG borderland tonight.

egalon.1702:

Thanks for the one nice fight [TDA]! I think you had us down, but then AN joinend the fight and we could revive our members… sry for that^^ Im really enjoying this week, very nice small scale fights and a lot of very good guild groups. Im trying to forget this huge Zerg from Aurora yesterday on their BL^^

[Pony] Egalon

Haha yeah, there was some internal raging at them adding in there It’s WvW though, these things happen and we considered it a moral victory anyway. You guys were just the right size for us by yourselves, wish somebody recorded last night as there were so many close and fair fights where we won and lost.

Think we’ll definitely be returning to AG borderland looking for more of that action Shame about that one big blob at some point indeed, think most of us managed to run away from it most of the time though, but other than that incident it was pretty much a great night.

edit:
Couldn’t find the match-up thread in the German forums for this match-up. I like to read those sometimes to brush up on my German a bit, could somebody point me in its direction or has it not been created with only one German server in it?

Wolfey.3407:

Easy Hacking Fix:
-Patch Up your guys Privacy Policy
-Create a database of all known hacking and botting programs
-3 pt database check to see if the players is running the program
~On client Launch
~At Character Select Screen
~Switching zones
-If a player is running a hack and the check confirms it via database check:
~Flags the account as being a possible hacker, No actions are taken (no auto bans)
~A message is displayed to the correct anet staff to investigate it
~Anet takes the proper action
-If no action is taken within 30 minutes (anet asleep on the job) a 24 hour ban is issued as a precautionary event. Message sent to the correct anet staff saying "acctname has been automatically banned for 24 hours for running ____ hack. "
It would then be up to the anet staff member to increase, decrease or let the 24 hour ban stand.

Lots of successful games run a system similar to this, if not a lot more complex or robust…. why GW2 is stuck with an archaic report and wait 2-3 hours system is beyond me.

Detecting hacks (client side) isn’t as easy as you think. I’m guessing they don’t detect illegal movement server-side because it’s too processor intensive, or at least I hope that is the reason. Considering how laggy things already get because of CPU overload I can’t really blame them for not adding extra checks into that laggy mess.

It would be a lot easier than trying to detect what hacking programs people are running on their own PC though. Blizzard has attempted this a LOT and dedicated a lot of time and money towards making it work and hacks and bots are still prevalent in their games, simply because the owner of the client has full access to all of the anti-hack code running there.

Shadow.9641:

TDA … hehe, I know your tag very well!
Cause you brought an awesome fit of laughter over me and 4 gildies

That´s just, cause we didnt check 2 times, that your team was rolling towards us until we were in downstate, as we were roaming arround. Was two times a example for mass-blindness or idioty or something like that.

But was good, we had a bunch of fun (we droped some tears of laughter) and we had good fights – that´s the way it should be

Haha, sucks when that happens It’s why I’ll never be a ‘raid’ leader. At the moment it’s like:
-Member calls out: ‘x enemies [y] guild at z position’
-Leader: ‘I know, I’ve seen them, move a and stack b’

When I lead it’s like:
-Member calls out: ‘x enemies [y] guild at z position’
-Me: ‘Huh where, what? Ehm, right, well, looks around for 10 seconds, ah there they are! Crap, they’re right on us, charge?’

I’m just glad some people in the guild are a bit more aware of their surroundings Glad you got a good laugh out of it though! That’s the way I personally prefer to take things, with a grin and a chuckle if something went particularly bad.

Pretty much the same as we have now would be great. Both AG and MS have lots of great ‘small’ guilds of just the right quality and numbers. Having a really awesome match-up with these two servers. FSP are also a lot of fun to fight and whatever server BNF are on would be fun just to see those crazy germans again.

Yeah, but why does this happen right when I’m locked out of my hosting account so I can’t fix it on my site I should’ve programmed it a bit more robustly indeed.

Lot’s of intense fighting last night on AG borderlands. Wasn’t very familiar with [WK] and [AN] guilds before, but soon got a bit too familiar with them :P

There were so many tasty guild groups roaming around that map, we couldn’t believe our luck. Most of the time they were around equal size when caught out alone, with the occasional unavoidable adding in of others guilds. Brilliant fights all around, so thanks to all the evil enemies involved

Trebs are the new ACs. Riverside better get with the program!

We’ve had a lot of fun with fireworks in the past, same with items like ruminant tonics. They create a much more pleasant atmosphere with your enemies, especially since fireworks can be dropped for your enemy to use. We’ve been chased by a bit zerg before and our leader dropped a ton of fireworks causing the enemy zerg to pick them up and instead of rolling over us we had some fun shooting fireworks ‘at’ each other.

We also tend to spontaneously run around with them during the end of the night and sneak into an enemy keep as the other server breaches the wall to provide them with some fancy light shows as they capture it. We’ll be promptly chased out again, but we see how long we can survive shooting fireworks as we run.

My computer is utter crap and I’ve never had any issues with fireworks causing any sorts of graphical lag when compared to an organized guild splashing a combo field or simply stacking wells on one spot with a large number of necros.

The newly introduced fireworks don’t seem to be as much fun though, so I don’t really care for them not being usable, but I was expecting some sort of bug or exploit instead of a ‘they might cause graphics lag’. Ah well, let’s hope they leave the proper fireworks alone

edit: Just read this again:
The fireworks throw up so much visual noise it becomes difficult to see anything else and people were using them to essentially blind everyone.

I barely see the fireworks besides a tiny little thing moving upwards, I must be missing something

Time for some loving for the smaller guilds, [TDA] will be running alone again tonight, after having run with [XxX] a couple of nights to see what the bigger fights are like. We’ll be specifically hoping to run into some fights with [dC] as our last matchup involved some great skirmishes with them.

Hoping we can get the numbers up to around 10-15, although it’s often a bit random how many we can persuade to join us in our glorious deaths. I think I might even try putting some extra strain on the ol’ cereal box and start recording again. I’m hoping our fellow Gandarans can keep teaming up (bigger guilds at least) to a minimum and the opposing servers likewise.

crosses fingers for some epic fights tonight!

How can the fireworks be used for griefing? Are they different from the fireworks we have already? I’ve been deleting them so far so haven’t really noticed what can be abused with them.

Drizzy.1268:

Just arrived on Gandara today and this matchup is just what we’ve hoped for in terms of roaming guilds, smallscale and such.
We even got a welcome-blob, so we wont miss our old server too much, thx!

Haha, nice one

Hope you guys are enjoying your stay here, we’ve always loved playing against you guys as you were the breath of fresh air in matchups against your old server!

We’ll try to make the blob an uncommon occasion

Had some epic fights tonight, teamed up with XxX as the enemy groups seemed a bit too big for just our own usual numbers and had some good times against enemies we usually can’t play with due to our smaller size.

What I mainly wonder is this: What kind of computers do you guys have and how do you afford them? Meeting a ‘blob’ for me is almost certain death because my fps drops below 1 and I can’t do anything, does nobody on those servers have an older pc or have they given up already?

For me this is my main complaint against the blob servers, I literally can’t play against them.

I’m pretty sure all three servers will actually enjoy this matchup. Whatever they say, it can’t be fun just rolling over guild groups of 10 all day long, so now they have some challenge

egalon.1702:

Did you learn that from AM?
Hoping its getting better tomorrow^^
Ega

What’s with all the black censor lines, was somebody flashing your photo?

Most of our guild called it a night early it seems, way too laggy and blobby, then again it’s reset which is always the worst day of the week.

climbatize.8729:

Was a fun evening for us till one of the AM bloblers droped “DUSK” to one of our guys , and he already has Twilight………….

You have to admit it was an awesome night, even without all the anger converging on poor little me Was definitely one of the more entertaining nights in quite a while

saltania.3402:

Score breakdowns are added to the statistics page. These show how many points each server gained from sentry and dolyak kills, supply camp, towers, keeps and stonemist.

multivira.7925:

Nice site, would be nice if it could give a little tooltip when hovering over one of the lines in the graph with the data at that point. I believe it’s probably an option in the graphing library you use.

It would be great if you could store the matchups of more than one week ago (not sure yet if that’s what you’re aiming at or not, but by your wording ’ latest ended matchup.’ it seems perhaps not).

It would be a great tool to compare the differences in night capping ability between servers this way Site looks very ‘clean’, I love it, I’m all for ‘less is more’ when it comes to design.

I added tooltips to the graphs so you can see the specific numbers. Statistics of all matchups will be saved and displayed, but we only have the last and current matchups available because the api didn’t start earlier.
http://gw2tracker.net/wvw/stats/live

Ah great, I did figure you only had the data for one week, just making sure

Thanks for adding the tooltips! Adding in the weekend / weekday split will definitely make for some interesting info, looking forward to it.

Actually had quite a bit of fun today, there were some small AM groups around to fight with, so thanks to those

I’m sadly really bad at remembering names, but good times were had!

@Uttar yeah that would be very frustrating, but I’m afraid to admit that strategically Gandara doesn’t really think things through, at all. Sorry for generalizing here, but we’re a bit like the Joker in batman. Or in GW2 terms, a skritt, oh look a shinie let’s get it!

Hang in there AG, praying that Anet can somehow make their RNG match us up again. Or perhaps with BNF’s server, that would be a nice reunion as well

This thread is even more entertaining than our matchup thread. How glorious.

Yaro.3251:

multivira.7925:

Yaro.3251:

Caliban.3176:

They could probably make themselves formidable roaming opponents but there are already great parties like that out there, that would be nothing new.

Yaro.3251:

A-a-and now you went completely bapkis, confusing mentality with experience, as I’ve mentioned above.

You lost me with your last comment. I don’t know what you mean, please explain if you want me to reply to that.

All I was trying to say with that last part was that people who are used to playing very coordinated with 4 other people would have an edge in that part of WvW. However certain groups in WvW have also perfected that kind of play.

I’m having some trouble making myself clear as well. I’m very tired, sorry if it is unclear.

Yeah, I know. I was in the mood that costed me one apology already.

What I was trying to say is that your statement about sPvP players being able to make good roaming team [ but that’s it ] implies that they will carry to WvW their sPvP mentality of how the rules and shape of competitive PvP must be everywhere regardless of environment and therefore they will not be able to adapt and apply their sPvP experience to realities of WvW as a whole. I was disagreeing with that.

What’s the point in comparing PvP players and WvW players in WvW if the PvP players adjust to WvW. That would just make them WvW players and make any comparison moot. Not sure I understand the point of the discussion anyway, but oh well.

The point of discussion is if sPvP background gives players any edge over those who either went to WvW from PvE or were WvW focused from the get go. And if sPvP experience is of any value in WvW.
There’s a set of WvW-unique artifacts every player should learn to be successful/efficient. However they are either optional or require really little time to get a grasp on if you are regular WvW team member. There’s nothing special about it that requires long term investments or cannot be learned on the fly. Now if we talk about commanders/raid leaders, the picture becomes quite different. But still, if I’d have a choice of commanders with or without sPvP background/expertise/fame, it would be a nobrainer.

As much as WvW is multifaceted, so is this discussion. WvW has many sides to it and every side can have different answer to the OP question. And really, they should be discussed separately.

I’m pretty sure most of the good WvW players also have experience in sPvP anyway, I don’t really believe there is any clear sPvP / WvW distinction when it comes to players. A good player will be a good player regardless of what they focus on and they’ll adapt soon enough, the only thing that matters is the mentality of the player.

I do believe that in general people that play sPvP will be more invested in wanting to win and will do more to perfect their builds and strategies than the average WvW player. So if they were to dedicate all their attention to excelling in WvW they will definitely do well. I don’t believe they will do well because of their experience with sPvP, but more because of their mentality. There are very few WvW guilds that consist entirely of people that really want to be the best and want to work hard at that.

There are definitely a couple of guilds (both large and small) that do have this level of investment in acquiring skill in WvW and those will probably be of an approximately equal skill level after the hypothetical pure sPvP players gained the required experience with the different things in WvW (such as differences in skill balance and differences inherent to the potential larger group sizes).

It would also depend on how you want to compare the sPvP and WvW players, open field battles require a very different mentality to sitting in a tower scouting for hours on end without being attacked :P Same goes for ‘treb wars’, most of the time there won’t really be much actual fighting and what makes one group better than the other is just outlasting the enemy in patience.

Yaro.3251:

Caliban.3176:

They could probably make themselves formidable roaming opponents but there are already great parties like that out there, that would be nothing new.

Yaro.3251:

A-a-and now you went completely bapkis, confusing mentality with experience, as I’ve mentioned above.

You lost me with your last comment. I don’t know what you mean, please explain if you want me to reply to that.

All I was trying to say with that last part was that people who are used to playing very coordinated with 4 other people would have an edge in that part of WvW. However certain groups in WvW have also perfected that kind of play.

I’m having some trouble making myself clear as well. I’m very tired, sorry if it is unclear.

Yeah, I know. I was in the mood that costed me one apology already.

What I was trying to say is that your statement about sPvP players being able to make good roaming team [ but that’s it ] implies that they will carry to WvW their sPvP mentality of how the rules and shape of competitive PvP must be everywhere regardless of environment and therefore they will not be able to adapt and apply their sPvP experience to realities of WvW as a whole. I was disagreeing with that.

What’s the point in comparing PvP players and WvW players in WvW if the PvP players adjust to WvW. That would just make them WvW players and make any comparison moot. Not sure I understand the point of the discussion anyway, but oh well.

Emixam.6834:

Epic fights with AM and Gandara Sunday evening. We had a lot of fun tyvm =)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3eYECLR9xA

Heh, we took one go at that first fight then stayed to the other side of the map to avoid the massive lag. It’s amazing how smooth those huge fights are on your pc, your FPS is better during blob vs blob while recording than mine is during 5 vs 5 :P

Yup, they need to increase the HP by around 10×. We were going to do this as a guild (with around 10+ people), but it’s already hard to have everybody get a hit in with only 3. And that is not taking into account having to rush things because other people nearby open it before everybody got there.

Even their posts are blobs!! Aaaargh!

Just kidding, good constructive post there Nauda

I don’t get the hate for the video from [DP]. It was full of pretty much fair fights and, besides the last one, were (compared to usual) ‘small’ scale. They ran as a guild and I really appreciate it. I hope they had fun.

Try and appreciate it when they actually try and accommodate the desires of the other servers to not blob up as much. I didn’t crash once yesterday

I also liked the little jabs at [XxX] in there :P You have to forgive them the somewhat sarcastic comments, seeing how much hate they keep getting, it makes a person defensive.

MiLkZz.4789:

This is a learn to play issue to me. Never had trouble what so ever with retal.

It’s a learn to play issue as in: do not use skills X, Y and Z or you will die against any guardian heavy group. That doesn’t really make for interesting game-play.

I want to thank a couple of AM guilds for running separately today, we had some pretty great fights actually

There were also a couple of blobs from all three servers, which my pc didn’t quite appreciate, but overall quite a bit of fun to be had! Had an amazing battle in the lord’s room of the NW tower in FSP borderlands a couple of hours ago, so thanks for that.

Also sorry to [RG] we somehow ran into you guys 3 times within like 5 minutes and I’m pretty sure we were blob-sized to you