Guild Wars 2

As you all know, shout got nerfed recently. Its healing amount got decreased and now become totally useless.

Theorically, shout heal should have actually BUFFED in order to survive from increased overall dmg output around the game, but oppositely, it got nerfed by 1/3 which is lot, and now become toally dead. I would say Anet just killed it.

Personally I liked shout play, becuz using stance warrior I had to too much rely on cheesy buffs such as being immortal for 5 sec or being immortal from condi stuffs or gain vigor or ignore all the control effects. it’s like buff myself and only say"attackklkkkk and killllll, or we dieeeee if failllllll", which sounds like totally, you know, simple and corny.

When I used shout, I had only 1 stun break without any stability so i had to learn what to dodge carefully like eviscerate and earthshake, and what critical condition I need to remove immediately. By using shout, It improved my overall skill and carefulness. Also being supportive improved my overall carefulness over not only me but whole party. I had to carefully watch over HP point of my ally who is in need of heal. I loved it cuz it looks so professional.

However, it is also fact that shout heal was also cheesy. So I would say both were cheesy but shout was a bit more cheesy for only expert warrior who do know what to dodge, when to leave or fight stuffs. Becuz they can sustain based on general game knowledge they learned using shout heal.

So here is my idea for shout,
1. Divide self-heal and party-heal. For self heal, well, meditation guardian does 2000 heal (when using berserker amulet), thus i think around 1500 self-heal per shout (with zerker amulet) is fair since it can also do random party heal.

For party heal, I guess 2000-2500 is fair (when using zerker amulet) it is mostly random heal anyway so it should be greater than self-heal by around 1000.

2. Tactics’s 3rd minor trait “inspiring presence” only works on party heal. It should not affect on self-heal in order to keep balance.

3. Since self-heal amount has got decreased, by a way of compensation for this nerf, Put more offensive & instant condi like blind (on next attack) and etc for shout like “for great justice” or “on my mark”. With this, user can learn when to apply blindness, requiring more skill of player’s carefulness.

Or it is also good to put teleport like guardian. Actually guardian does teleport (or condi remove) + fury buffing + 2000 dmging around him + 2000 heal though. Shout now just does really nothing as compared to this in fact : just small heal around 1000 and fury, nerfed might..

4. Make offesive rune that is affected by shout, not like current soldier rune that has defensive attribute.

5. Make new amulet that is for offensive shouter, like 1200pow, 900prec, 900heal but self-shout heal never be greater than 2000 and party-heal never be greater than 3000 per shout. also, Guardian should have around 2500heal per medi when equipping this. Currently overall dmg output is so high over this game, 2000 heal without any toughness wouldn’t be cheesy.

Anyway, nerfing self heal and improve offesive capability will not make shout being called cheesy but skilled.

So what is your idea to bring back shout line?
Let’s gather some idea!

TheDuck.4526:

Haha you had me going there in the beginning! We warriors aren’t all too experienced with trolling because so few people care about us try a rampage thread next time! 8/10

lol ok i will be deleting this thread!

Orcinus Orca.8627:

online.1278:

Compare it to league of legends or counter stirkes or wahtever, this is fact that it juat changes too much.

You should compare it to games with an equal amount of variables.

well, yes…

Deniara Devious.3948:

Shoutbow warrior is definitely has clearly less sustain now. Shout heals were nerfed about 30%. Traited warhorn no longer converts conditions into boons and the vigor and swiftness uptime was warhorn was also nerfed. All these together plus clearly increased DPS all over the board has been a huge blow to shoutbow.

I wouldn’t say that shoutbow is no longer viable at all, but it is clearly pushed out of the meta. It cannot handle the current bursts well nor even clean all the conditions flying around. Bunker guardian can tank better. Currently bunker guardian > shoutbow. Shoutbow does way too little dmg for pve to make any sense there. Hammer+Sw/Wh or Hammer/GS warrior has always been the meta in WvWvW zerging. And I think hammer/GS just got stronger, so it is not difficult see where meta will be going.

is it possilble to use hammer/gs in wvw? I think they fight in frontline cuz it is full melee but I also guess they would be first one who dies and hit less people than ranged weapon, which is not a proper build set for person who want to archive Ultimate Dominator title.

Valik Shin.9027:

People don’t seem to understand warriors. People say things need nerfed case they always see warriors with it. LB , shoutbow, CI , axe if you go back far enough. But the reason warriors always run the same things isn’t because they are overpowered it’s because everything else is under powered. LB and hammer are only good weapons with utility while still dealing decent damage. Axe just doesn’t have the damage to over come lack of utility. Nothing short of “to the limit” with shout trait is even close to healing signet and even then shouts r bad now. Warriors need buffs to underpowered weapons, skills, and trait not nerfs to ones already in line with what other classes have

This game, in fact, changes too often and too much as compared to other esport game. If gw2 really want to success in esport, this is what they should avoid of actually. This kills users and their effort completely. If i were anet i would more focus on make new complete thing rather than nerfing stuffs, and buffs known weak stuffs. but what gw2 is nerfing strong one, make it completely un-useable, and make some stuffs super buffed. Compare it to league of legends or counter stirkes or wahtever, this is fact that it juat changes too much.

Juba.8406:

Cheese builds dead ? thats good .

Was it cheesy? as long as i know it didnt be able to kill either. Then i hope anet just get rid of all heal and add more offensive buffs rather than killing it.

even though it doesnt proc with Longbow, it is still OP becuz this means previously it didnt proc also before patch. 20% to 15% plz

I think dead builds are

1. Condi builds since direct dmg output is so high now and torment got nerfed long time ago. (it was already dead long time ago)

2. Any shout builds becuz healing amount now is so small that cannot endure currently increased overall dmg output. Personally i think even guardian bunker is also dead simply because of overally increased pressure.

is there anything else? What do you think?

xbutcherx.3861:

online.1278:

Nerf Berserker’s Power. It is OP.

I think this trait is actually more “A must have” trait than cleasing ire.
Absolutely OP.

This trait will force all warriors choose Strength line : so decrease Build diversity.

lol why would you nerf something was already nerf? do you even know how that trait worked before? I was a perma 20% buff with 3 bars and now only works for 10 sec after using a burts and IF it hits.

it was 5/10/15% before. using one burst for every 10sec isn’t really nerf cuz you can use burst for every 5 sec whenever you swap. With longbow it is likely perma. So the duration time isn’t nerf. The prpblem is 5% higher, which is too much buff. I havent seen a war without this trait since patch.

I do believe Blackgate have such an area becuz it is always full and matched to similar full servers. But I can’t transfer to there because it is full -.-

How about Stormbluff Isle?
Do Stormbluff isle have dueling area in WvW?
many people do this?

Thank you!

Father Busho.2796:

I actually didn’t fully understand what you meant by this, but one of my friends is frequently in contact with devs and/or members of balance team, and they confirmed that a huge part of balance stuff (not saying all of the balance) does come with collaboration of the 1% of top spvp/elite/#esports players (celestial meta kitten pre patch was brought entirely from those players). Ofc, I can’t be 100% sure of any of this and can’t confirm with any real evidence so take whatever you want from this

If that is true, the balance actually runned by those top people’s influence but not anet’s their own opinion and experience. Thus dd cele ele and engi never change. God * i want to refund this game and time I spent But it is too late I guess since i spent a lot of time into this bull**** already… -.-

Anyway, now i can understand why this game balance changes a lot in very short of time as compared to other games… simply becuz many people of those many 1% complains.

Thank you very much. really, thank you very much again for the core info. All were actually vain. ByeBye this game.

Novuake.2691:

Not sure about the numbers as i never really ran shoutheal prepatch, running on clerics stats you grt 2200 heal. It seems like its scales witg healing power now and the base is reduced,which is a healthy call for the game me thinks

Anet buffed power aspect too much. Even though Shout wasn’t get nerfed right now, it wouldn’t be enough to be tanky like before against currently increased power level becuz of Strength line’s Berserker trait. If Power got increased, Shout heal also need to be increased. Otherwise, it is not really a buff but nerf.

Thus It is just better not to use Shout currently

I think shout now is just useless. They nefered heal too much. I think it got nerfed from 1700 (with zerker amulet) to 1000. I think It is the most nerf as compared to any other nerfed skill in gw2 history. Stance war is only way to go for now

So my recommendation is that if you were only shout user, just quit the game or change class to guardian (their meditation heal didnt get nerfed)

Celtus.8456:

The amulet system is holding PvP back. We either need a lot more amulets, more customization over their stats, or a change to PvE style gearing (and, of course, balance it).

I have been excited about this new specialization patch, but it really exposed how flawed the amulet system is. For example, elementalists post-patch have 11,645 hp if they don’t use +vit amulet or runes (and I think guardian is the same? though they have +vit trait), this feels very limiting. I understand you want the game to be simple and I like that, but I think the amulet system is one of the least polished parts of PvP right now.

I personally juat want that anet just give us all 1200+(900*2)=3000 points where we can freely put into any attribute we want to develop, rather than current amulet systrm. But it should not allow putting no more than 1200 point into one attribute though. Becuz if we can put all 3000 points into power, people might die by just one hit. Lol

It is more likely previous GW1 style.

Not yet cuz of cele engi and ele

ronpierce.2760:

online.1278:

1200pow 900 prec 900 heal

This is a common one, and I agree.

This is highly needed for most melee classes especially medi guard and shout war becuz melee doesnt have condi in most weapon skills while dd cele ele and cele engi benefits perfectly from celestial becuz they have both direct and condi dmg in their weapon skills.

1200pow 900 prec 900 heal

crusader modification to power 1050, toughness 1050, heal 560, and PREC 560 points.

felocity without prec is really useless.

BlackTruth.6813:

online.1278:

Since signet of rage has hardly nerfed, we have no choice but to only use rampage or battle standard. if we go for them, warrior’s sprint is must in need unless we run warhorn. Therefore no rifle user can actually use crack shot ability but choose warrior’s sprint. if we use crack shot, we lose all mobility.

So I think Crack shot need to be in master trait of discipline. As it goes to master trait, buff something is in need like killshot cast time decrease from 1+1/4s to 1s.

Or, buff signet of rage back. Especially double swiftness duration.

Anyway, i guess this is why Rifle isnt still viable in sPvP.

Putting crack shot on master doesn’t sound bad. The battle standard regen definitely needs to be moved downward for sure :x

it should be buffed crack shot, not just crack shot, in master trait, just like greatsword trait got hugely buffed. Exchange its position with banner trait is nice idea becuz that banner trait now doesn’t decrease cooldown time as well like before, which sounds like it is not that good trait to be in master tier. and I think guy who uses banner doesnt move a lot from a point, and also banner grants swiftness and running skill while holding it, I think banner guy wouldn’t need Warrior’s sprint that much. so I agree with you that it is better to switch them, banner trait and crack shot.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

If your account is new, it is just a matter of time, and hours played.

If your account is not new, you can contact the CS Team for assistance using the ‘Support’ link above/below.

Good luck.

like how long from the time I make the account?

SpiritSpeakerOfHoelbrak.3980:

What did they nerf on signet of rage o.O?

It was nerfed last year, from 30s to 25s as well as might nerf. I think using signet of rage now is just bad idea.

i hope that for current crusader amulet, all anet need to put is precision instead of felocity.

Or zealot amulet : 1200 power, 900 prec, 900 heal
It’s for shout war or medi guardians. Currently cele engi becomes way OPer (in terms of dmg, they do more dmg than before, as well as having good toughness and healing from cele) but the difference is that cele engi benefits from both condi and direct dmg cuz their weapon skills mostly have both 2 dmgs, but for melee like war and medi guard, we don’t have condi dmg on most of our weapons skills. That is why amulet like zealot is highly in need.

Hi. Whenver I try to exchange from gold to gem or viceversa, it says error “Unable to complete the operation (permission denined)”

how can i fix this?
thank you very much.

Belzebu.3912:

Ok, lets be realistic.
From that 1.5% share of the market, imagine it will grow like nothing else you ever seem in the OS market and it reach 5% … how many of those 5% won’t have any access to Windows, maybe 50%?
So we have 50% of a 5% that use SteamOS, from that small market how many want to use it for an MMO, and that share that use SteamOS and have no access to Windows and want to play MMO, they like GW2?
You are asking for a quite big change focused in an really small share of the market.

Mac has 4% market share. If SteamOS has 4% of market share, this means totally different. Becuz not all mac user play game but all SteamOS users play game (this is why they bought Steam machine, to play game)

We have to wait until seeing the data that how much linux population grow after Steam machine release lol.

As Anet might not know about this, there is no MMO released on SteamOS. If anet can make SteamOS version of GW2 by its release date defined at november of current year, anet could probably earn a lot of money simply becuz there isn’t an mmo other than GW2 at the time Steam machine releases. Every people who loves mmo will buy this game but no other choice lol

Btw i think linux can catch up MAC desktop market share when Steam machine releases. In fact, In this past 5 years linux has grown up by 50% due to steam machine launch notification (from 1% to 1.5%) but Mac’ market share is still around 4% for past 5 years. I think Linux(SteamOS) will def surpass at least Mac’s 4% shortly after Steam machine releases. So i predict it could be at least a bit more profitable than mac for game company.

Now there are tons of games currently being ported to SteamOS version, you can watch live news of which games are released & ported to SteamOS at https://www.gamingonlinux.com

So plz port the game into SteamOS version to get into mainstream of gaming industry if possible, thank you~

yes . i think build now too over simplified. The difficilty, challenge that we probably felt the most fun, of this game was to make decent build but now almoat same level as league of legends with a bit more key bounds.

hi there is a character slot with sign “beta”. (i pre-purchased the expansion)

Question1:
only character made under this sign can play beta on every weekend until the expansion officially released? Including Stronghold(pvp)?

Qustion 2:
Any gold or item obtained from this beta character slot by playing pvp will be remaining even though beta ends? Also will this character created in beta slot be deleted when expansion officially launches?

Cygnus.6903:

online.1278:

Cygnus.6903:

Bad idea. The good thing about where building momentum is right now is that you can try a full offense build while retaining a little survivability in the form of extra endurance.

Likewise, if you build more defensively, you can get a little pressure on your opponent with Spiked Armor in Defense.

I thought having spiked armor on strength line can still benefit because that person seem more likely use power boost amulet. Oppositely, having retaliation does not benefit any war : it only benefit warrior who has power boost amulet. Condi warrior who uses like settler won’t get any benefit from it. Rather dodging is more generally benefit to any kind of warrior in purpose of dodge attack or evade.

I think anet just need to reform formula of retaliation to get affected by both condi and direct damage equally for pure condi war as well. I think this is solution then. currently only power based warrior get benefits from retaliation.

Condition warrior seems so incredibly OP right now, so that too does not sound very appealing to me.

I mostly see gs/hammer war or shoutbow warriors (it is not really condi but hybrid) in these days. I don’t think it is OP so anet also boosted condition part I guess.

Cygnus.6903:

Bad idea. The good thing about where building momentum is right now is that you can try a full offense build while retaining a little survivability in the form of extra endurance.

Likewise, if you build more defensively, you can get a little pressure on your opponent with Spiked Armor in Defense.

I thought having spiked armor on strength line can still benefit because that person seem more likely use power boost amulet. Oppositely, having retaliation does not benefit any war : it only benefit warrior who has power boost amulet. Condi warrior who uses like settler won’t get any benefit from it. Rather dodging is more generally benefit to any kind of warrior in purpose of dodge attack or evade.

I think anet just need to reform formula of retaliation to get affected by both condi and direct damage equally for pure condi war as well. I think this is solution then. currently only power based warrior get benefits from retaliation.

It is just my thought, but i think you could agree.

Both 2 are minors. But what building momentum gives is endurance which is rather defensive, but spiked armor gives retaliation which is offensive.

To make retaliation effective, you should have power but not condition dmg. This means that warrior now cannot go settler amulet or any kind of condi warrior. It actually limits the variation of war builds i mean since most warrior have cleasing ire and will automatically get that spiked armor. If player doesnt use any amulet that doesnt have power, it is just waste of trait actually. or he/she should not use cleasing ire but i guess that is almost impossible becuz it is just same as giving up entire defense trait line since we can select only 3 trait line.

I think anet need to rebuild the calculation of retaliation that can be affected by both 2 direct and condi dmg equally, or just switch building momentum by spiked armor since retaliation is fully calculated by power which should be in strength line.

What do you guys think of this?
Thank you..