Guild Wars 2

dominik.9721:

dunno even before the expansion nobody really touched “your” banner-shout except lypion 2 times who switched back to the normal shoutbow immediately.
Atm every warrior of the topteams rerolls their class because it’s NOT viable.
But hey – Online had success in 30 soloq games so it must work and has to be viable

Well, any people or team using Banner Shout or not is none of my business. It’s just their selection in fact.

Any person cannot judge the build by playing only 2 times. This must be joke becuz even I took more than 50~100matchs to get used to the build theory I made. Even the warrior’s easiest build like ShoutBow takes a far more than 2 plays to run that well. It is just totally a joke.

I am here to introduce people working build as much as possible even though warrior falls into like that bad. Just that’s it, just to help people.

Of course, it must work in soloq, but shouldn’t be viable since it is none of my business as i said above that it is their choice.

Phobos.3197:

I’m not making fun of you. But warrior is definitely not fine. If you want the perspective of esportz pros, you need only to look at the one you linked to in this thread and re-read his quote on the matter.

I mean doesn’t everyone just LOVE the narcissistic pain of playing that game, it’s just sooooo nice that you can FINALLY experience that right here in guild wars 2 with warrior.

i know it’s not fine and that is why i made a post like
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/Complete-buff-nerf-list-68-lists/first#post5697019

I only said Banner Shout works fine but that’s it.

Basically crysis in the quote talks about tankiness of ele and necro stuffs. I saw his stream yesterday and he said like “why is it so hard to kill dd ele, why is it so tanky, should they be tanky at that level? am i playing dark souls 2?” Things like that.

But why does that quote have any relationship that i said about banner shout build? Why do you even refer that quote to me? do you think i don’t agree to what crysis said?

Phobos.3197:

Online, I know you love warrior as much or more than the rest of us but you need to stop making page long posts about how fine Warrior is while linking pre-HoT videos and citing sources like Radioactive Crysis.

Here’s RC’s recent post on warrior (if it’s actually his account):

Has anyone ever wondered what it would be like to play the equivalent of dark souls in guild wars 2? Well, I have found something far, FAR harder than that! Playing Warrior in high tier PVP; is essentially the equivalent of beating Dark Souls in it’s hardest mode with a guitar hero guitar instead of a controller! I mean doesn’t everyone just LOVE the narcissistic pain of playing that game, it’s just sooooo nice that you can FINALLY experience that right here in guild wars 2 with warrior. To go hours each night with a win ratio being somewhere around 1 in every 5 just gives me that same high as being defeated over and over by Old Iron King (one of the hardest DS bosses). Just love the direction they went with warrior!

That thread is here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/Dark-Souls-2-in-GUILD-WARS-2

My thread is not really about before HoT expansion. I have tested more than 20~30 rounds after HoT and you can watch those video in my twitch’s past video section (videos there are all about after HoT). I still get 65% winrate when all solo-ququed, which means it works.

and the following is what I posted above:
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Then, you can absolutely come back (for Banner Shout build, yes, you can comback 100% sure. But be sure idk performance about greataxe in these days since the build isn’t not my build thus i haven’t tested it out – but you can watch Radioactive Crysis’s twitch to figure out its performance, and also idk about shoutbow becuz i haven’t tested it a lot after patch due to real life’s work. But many people says shoutbow still works somehow but not that much effective as same level as new druid build that works similarly like superior version of shoutbow. But druid build will also be incapacitated by Banner Shout’s frequent lock-down.)
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to summerize this:
1. Banner Shout works fine after HoT.
2. I do not know that well about greataxe warrior performance becuz i have never tested it but you can check radioactive crysis’s twitch.
3. Shoutbow works like inferior version of druid.

Did i say fine about greataxe build after HoT? I said i don’t know. I never said it’s fine. Rather i said it’s better visiting crysis twitch to determine its performance.

I only said it’s fine for banner shout only becuz i have tested out that build a lot after HoT expansion against high level players. And you can watch those video in my twich’s past video section, which is all about after HoT expansion.

You need to stop making fun of me, rather you better read things carefully plz.

I am always telling people the truth.

Thx.

Curby.4897:

Took a break from the kittenty balance in this game, I was told it was patched a bit, this true?

AKA, Safe to be a Warrior again?

Like I said 10000 times, if you run proper build stated at:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/PvP-WvW-Introduction-to-Meta-Builds/

Then, you can absolutely come back (for Banner Shout build, yes, you can comback 100% sure. But be sure idk performance about greataxe in these days since the build isn’t not my build thus i haven’t tested it out – but you can watch Radioactive Crysis’s twitch to figure out its performance, and also idk about shoutbow becuz i haven’t tested it a lot after patch due to real life’s work. But many people says shoutbow still works somehow but not that much effective as same level as new druid build that works similarly like superior version of shoutbow. But druid build will also be incapacitated by Banner Shout’s frequent lock-down.)

But i am sure if you try to run new berserker build, they mostly will not work : due to they have no rampage. Berserker warrior is normally better than strength warrior without rampage in terms of they have perma stability and be able to spam primal burst and has wider attack range.

But what makes berserker warrior useless is rampage. Rampage mode is quite very effective in 5vs5 teamfight than berserker mode.

Actually berserker warrior is quite good With perma stability (this is actually op against some classes) + wide range of primal burst + primal burst spam.

Only thing that makes it so bad is rampage. Because no matter how strong berserker build is, it will get rekt by rampage.

And in team fight rampage mode is rather helpful than berserker mode.

This is what makes people not choosing berserker but rampage.

I think anet wouldn’t do a single thing for berserker, but they will rather nerf new stuffs of other classes to balance.

There is like pros and cons, if you don’t use rampage, berserker mode will be better. Otherwise rampage warrior is better.

I dont think anet would rip rampage to make berserker viable instead. Lol

The best way to buff berserker warrior is,
change rampage from physical to transform skill, and replace one of grandmaster trait of berserker line with new trait that decrease CD time of rampage.

Why grandmaster?
Becuz of stability issue. Perma stability while in both rampage and berserker mode is absolutely OP.

Of course in this case they have to buff shout heal and banner regen heal plus other supports buff tho. Becuz only zerker type get too much buffed by having both rampage + zerker modes.

Nigglebits.7924:

It actually works very well for me http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Warrior_-_Tanky_Condi_Berserker

hi, did you write that document in metabattle.com?

LughLongArm.5460:

What are we talking about? 1vs1? group contribution in team fights?

1v1 at point

i just don’t know. I know settler shoutbow makes draw against dd cele ele.

But what about dd cele ele vs cele druid?

I just haven’t met druid a lot.

Hi.

What is updated :
1. The new berserker version of GreatAxe and its play videos has been updated. Build is fully confirmed by Radioactive Crysis (Top Warrior NA).

2. Banner Shout build has been updated. And play video of Banner Shout and its description has been updated.

3. ShoutBow’s description is updated.

Many people now claims after expansion that “Warrior is dead”. But you will have a lot less problem if you use proper meta builds introduced above.

This meta builds will be introduced monthly, or be re-introduced when there is any new warrior working build at almost meta level.

See top post to check them out!

Thus, see you again a month later!

updated xD
upto #64 list plus some nerf

hmm? do you want to add or modify something?
I know it is to lol but what we need…

twitch.tv/thunderbird854

Top zerker warrior NA, ESL’s famous esports player, Radioactive Crysis started twitch live stream!

Hope you enjoy and thank you if you can follow his twitch

Hi guys.

Warrior now is just too kittening weak. Following list is what makes warrior almost unplayable right now.

[THE KITTENING PROBLEMS OF WARRIOR AFTER HOT]
The problem is all about warrior missing most of attacks whose attack animation is very much predictable and lack of support due to following reasons,

In terms of Zerkering :
1. tons of random evading attacks (rev, rhief)
2. tons of random blinds (thief or many others)
3. tons of random blocks or block to heal (rev)
4. tons of random slows (mes or others)
5. tons of random CCs (guard, engi)
6. tons of random invisible traps (guard)
7. tons of random invulnerabilities (mes or something else)
8. tons of random dodges (thief)
9. tons of perma stability (necro)
10. tons of healing (ranger)

How can zerker warrior land their damages correctly under the system like this?

In terms of Supporting :
1. Cleric/Settler level of Banner + Shout warrior lacks in healing support than Celestial level of Druid. (ranger)
2. tons of interruption stated on above zerker part makes Battle Standard almost useless (thief and many others)

How can Cleric/Settler support warrior support people since Celestial druid does more damage and more healing support under the system like this?

In this case, what can I suggest them? idk.

The game system now is just totally messed up for warrior only who doesn’t have skills like evading attack like rev or daredevil does but only purely lands their each attacks that is pretty much predictable to be easily missed.

[BUFF LIST]
1. 150% direct damage of all weapon. (e.g. Engi Hammer basically has 2x damage than Warrior Hammer, as well as freaking bunch of access to block, stun and etc. Thus at least 150% buff is in need for all the warrior weapons)
2. 120% condi duration and damage.
3. Shout heal amount buff to druid healing level amount when equipping same amulet.
4. Warhorn converts 2 conditions into boons.
5. Skullcrack to leap skill.
6. Entering berserker mode at 2nd level of adrenaline level.
7. 120% healing signet’s heal amount
8. Leg specialist to 2 targets plus 2 sec of immob
9. rifle basically pierece without trait
10. All primal burst skill have CC, at least 0.5sec of daze level to interrupt.
11. Faster all signet utility recharge time.
12. Fast hand and adrenaline gain on weapon swap in base line.
13. Merciless Hammer damage increase on any target when using hammer (20% fine becuz it doesn’t grant might like greatsword trait)
14. Banner have 900 range effective radius and 90sec cd time.
15. Banner’s sprint has 1200 range mobility, or, 900range mobility with 10s CD time, not 15s.
16. boon duration from Battle rage signet to 32sec.
17. Battle standard takes 1sec to summon banner (due to skilled thief’s interrupt) and 100% chance to rez people when successfully summoned regardless of poison
18. Dodge attack (reckless dodge) to base line.
19. Impale’s Torments to AOE.
20. less recharge on whirling axe and more damage.
21. Mace counterblow instantly casts
22. Mace block skill blocks all projectile umtil it ends, only activate when one melee attack comes in.
23. Hamstring to bleeding + cripple
24. Cleasing ire and Berserker’s power proc even though not being hit.
25. Rampage to 20sec.
26. Faster pulverize + longer weakness and more damages on mace’s 1st normal attacks.
27. Pommel bash to have more damage + 2sec daze
28. Torch’s Flames of War to have 20sec cooldown
29. Dual Strike grants 5sec of fury per each hit
30. Hammer Stun duration to 2~3sec
31. Mace strun durstion to 2~4sec
31. Bull’s charge and Stomp CD – 5sec each
32. less recharge time for all signet utility (excluding Battle Rage Signet)
33. Tremor to have 3sec knockdown
34. To the limits heals more based on adrenaline level and full adrenaline as well
35. Mending to physical
36. Defiant Stance’s initial self heal increase by 150%
37. Shake it off remove 2 conditions and grant 1sec of stability after using it.
38. Fear me CD decrease from 60s to 50s
39. Berserker Stance removes all ongoing condition when applies
40. Dead of Alive proc with HP threshold at 20%, and heal amount differs based on healing point from around 5000 to 8000 (but longer CD time duration to 60s as described in nerf list #4)
41. Swap Crack Shot to Destruction of the Empowered to allow many people to have it, rather than competing it with Warrior’s sprint, which should rather be in base line.
42. Inspiring Presense also increase rez speed by 20% and 20 healing point per might
42. Thick Skin HP threshold to 80%
43. Cull the weak’s appplying weakkness applies enemy HP above 75%, not below 25%
44. Defy Pain to base line. This is what forces warrior to have defense trait line becuz going tpvp tournament without this trait is same as suicide, this forces to trait defense line just like fast hand.
45. Precise Strike, rending strike to 66%
46. Remove Unsuspecting Foe, rather, make it more generally working on any type of weapon but not only stun type.
47. Empowered boosts 2% per each boon.
48. Banner trait also remove a condition of each affected allies in banner range per 10sec.
49. Killshot animation like Pin-down
50. All the passive stat buff of banners from1 170 to 227 (133% buff)
51. 2nd skill of Banner of Strength grant 2 stacks of might
52. 2nd skill of banner of Defense grant 5 sec protection
53. A way to continuously remove conditions somehow when in berserker mode, like cleasing ire.
54. For Great Justice’s fury duration from 8s to 10s
55. On my mark CD time from 24s to 20s
56. Buff all rage utility except Outrage.
57. Outrage grant more adrenaline (but more CD time as described in nerf list #3)
58. Shield block grant adrenaline when ends.
59. 150% buff on Banner Regen Heal amount per sec.
60. Last Stand decrease cd time of all stances by 20% EXCEPT blanced stance caused by last stand.
61. Change Kick to Tatsumaki senpuukyaku (Street Fight Ryu’s) and it kicks every people while it travels to its final destination.
62. Several seconds grace before Adrenaline decay + slower degen, ie revert it to what it once was (so is that even counted as a buff?)
63. Normalize all melee autoattacks to 150 range (or maybe 160), and not just for Warrior
64. Battle Standard’s 2nd skill become moveable while casting.
65. Hammer’s 3rd normal attack skill (hammer smash) also daze for 0.2s (interrupt)
66. Greatsword’s 3rd normal attack skill (brutal strike) also inflict vulnerability.
67. Backbreaker CD time to 25s.
68. Rifle’s 1st skill cause bleeding just like before.
69. Faster speed of picking up banner.
70. Baseline Warrior’s Sprint.

[NERF LIST]
1. Gun flame animation to be like pin-down
2. Last Stand’s Balanced Stance CD from 40s to 60s (but Last stands decrease CD time of all stance skills by 20% as described in buff list #60)
3. Outrage CD time from 10s to 15s (but grants more adrenaline as described in buff list #57)
4. Dead or Alive CD time from 30s to 60s (but buff heal scale formula and set threshold as described in buff list #40)

[Buff or Nerf? list]
1. Rifle range to 1500. If not possible, then nerf longbow range to 900 and also nerf engi’s grenade range to 600 while rifle still has 1200 range. It is just physically non-sense. Gun>Bow>Hand.
2. Access to perma stability should be removed, both Berserker and Reaper, only except Rampage. It is game broken.

hmm? do you want to add or modify something?
I know it is to lol

this let’s lol so Anet would lol too!

Buff List
1. 1.2x direct damage of all weapon.
2. 1.2x condi duration and damage.
3. 1.2x shout heal and banner regen heal.
4. Warhorn converts 2 conditions into boons.
5. Skullcrack to leap skill.
6. Entering berserker mode at 2nd level of adrenaline level.
7. 1.2x healing signet
8. Leg specialist to 2 targets plus 2 sec of immob
9. rifle basically pierece without trait
10. All primal burst skill have CC, at least daze level.
11. Faster signet skill recharge.
12. Fast hand and adrenaline gain on weapon swap in base line.
13. Merciless Hammer damage increase on any target when using hammer (20% fine becuz it doesn’t grant might like greatsword trait)
14. Banner have 900 range effective radius and 90sec cd time.
15. Banner’s sprint has 900range mobility.
16. boon duration from Battle rage signet to 30~35sec.
17. Battle standard takes 1.5sec to summon banner and 100% chance to rez people when successfully summoned regardless of poison
18. Dodge attack (reckless dodge) to base line.
19. Impale’s Torments to AOE.
20. less recharge on whirling axe and more damage.
21. Mace counterblow instantly casts
22. Mace block skill blocks all projectile umtil it ends, only activate when one melee attack comes in.
23. Hamstring to bleeding + immob
24. Cleasing ire proc even though not being hit.
25. Rampage to 20sec.
26. Faster pulverize + longer weakness
27. Pommel bash to have more damage + 2sec daze
28. Torch’s Flames of War to have 20sec cooldown
29. Dual Strike grants 5sec of fury per each hit
30. Hammer Stun duration to 2~3sec
31. Mace strun durstion to 2~4sec
31. Bull’s charge and Stomp CD -5sec each
32. less recharge time for all signet utility (excluding Battle Rage Signet)
33. Tremor to 3sec knockdown
34. To the limits heals more based on adrenaline level
35. Mending to physical
36. Defiant Stance’s initial self heal increase by 150%
37. Shake it off remove 2 conditions and grant 2sec of stability after using it.
38. Fear me CD decrease from 60s to 50s
39. Berserker Stance removes all ongoing condition when applies
40. Dead of Alive proc with HP threshold at 20%, and heal amount differs based on healing point (from 5000 to 10000)
41. Swap Crack Shot to Destruction of the Empowered to allow many people to have it.
42. Inspiring Presense also increase rez speed by 20% and 20 healing point per might
42. Thick Skin HP threshold to 80%
43. Cull the weak’s appplying weakkness applies enemy HP above 75%
44. Defy Pain to base line. This is what forces warrior to have defense trait line.
45. Precise Strike, rending strike to 66%
46. Remove unsuspecting Foe, rather, make it more generally working on any type of weapon but not only stun type.
47. Empowered boosts 2% per each boon.
48. Banner trait also remove a condition of each affected allies in banner range per 10sec.
49. Killshot animation like Pin-down
50. All the passive stat buff from banner to 200
51. 2nd skill of Banner of Strength grant 2 stacks of might
52. 2nd skill of banner of Defense grant 5 sec protection
53. A way to continuously remove conditions somehow when in berserker mode, like cleasing ire.
54. For Great Justice’s fury duration from 8s to 10s
55. On my mark to 20s from 24s
56. Buff all rage utility except Outrage.
57. Outrage grant more adrenaline (but more CD time on nerf list below)
58. Shield block grant adrenaline when ends.

Nerf List
1. Gun flame animation to be like pin-down
2. Last Stand CD from 40 to 50
3. Outrage CD time from 10s to 15s

Maybe Anet can choose what to buff or nerf from this list!

DrDivine.5378:

online.1278:

1.2x direct damage of all weapon.
1.2x longer CC, condi duration and damage.
1.2x shout heal and banner regen heal.
Warhorn converts 2 conditions into boons.
Skullcrack to leap skill.
Entering berserker mode at 2nd level of adrenaline level.
1.2x healing signet
Leg specialist to multiple targets plus 2sec of immob
rifle basically pierece without trait
All primal burst skill have CC, at least daze level.
Faster signet skill recharge.
Fast hand and adrenaline gain on weapon swap in base line.
Permanently being able to keep adrenaline when not in combat.
Banner grants protection with regen plus 900 range and 90sec cd time.
Banner’s sprint has 1200range mobility.
boon duration from Battle rage signet to 40sec.
Battle standard takes takes 1sec to cast
Dodge attack (reckless dodge) to base line.

…

Just every aspects if possible.

I’m glad you took the time to share some ideas with fellow warriors. I’ve seen you in pvp before and I know you’re a good warrior as well.

This is another thought, but going berserk mode itself should be scarier, as in more intimidating to go against. Chnages could be maybe taking a little less damage in berserk mode for example, something that makes people react the same way they do whena reaper goes into reaper shroud.

I will be adding more whenver i come up with ideas loll

Here are all thr list that can be buffed depending on the choice if anet would like to do so~

1.2x direct damage of all weapon.
1.2x longer CC, condi duration and damage.
1.2x shout heal and banner regen heal.
Warhorn converts 2 conditions into boons.
Skullcrack to leap skill.
Entering berserker mode at 2nd level of adrenaline level.
1.2x healing signet
Leg specialist to multiple targets plus 2sec of immob
rifle basically pierece without trait
All primal burst skill have CC, at least daze level.
Faster signet skill recharge.
Fast hand and adrenaline gain on weapon swap in base line.
Permanently being able to keep adrenaline when not in combat.
Banner grants protection with regen plus 900 range and 90sec cd time.
Banner’s sprint has 1200range mobility.
boon duration from Battle rage signet to 40sec.
Battle standard takes takes 1sec to cast
Dodge attack (reckless dodge) to base line.
Torments to AOE.
less recharge on whirling axe.
Mace counter instantly casts
Mace block skill blocks all projectile umtil it ends, only activate when melee attack comes in.
Hamstring to bleeding + immob
Cleasing ire proc even though not being hit.
Rampage to 20sec.

…

What’s more?

Snaffled.3298:

@Korean Gamer I know shoutbow works but doesn’t playing it feel like an inferior version of druid?

hmm sensitive question, my answer is
I just helped you as much as i can as warrior, not ranger.

If you are not satisfied, then I am sorry for not being helpful.

Snaffled.3298:

I have never posted anything on the forums for 3 years because warrior was great. Way back hambow was OP and skullcracker was fun AND viable. Shoutbow was crazy good and GS/Axe+shield was a ton of fun. We had tons of build variety with bow/axe+shield, s/s and bow, as well as many others. Even vs DD ele with blinding ashes or cele engi I still had a chance to win with either GS/Axe+shield of GS/Ham. Now there is tons of blocks, chills, slows, and burns for warrior to do anything. Quickness also feels off again. With druids perma blind now I have ~10s to kill them with berserker stance as a stance warrior. As shoutbow, I feel outclassed by druid and bunker guard. I have not been able to get any zerker specialization build to work viably. If anyone has any ideas to combat the new meta as a warrior please enlighten me. Sorry for the wall of text.

Shout warrior still works.

If Settler ShoutBow doesn’t work, or is not be able to AT LEAST sustain from Druid or Dragonhunter or whatever, try Banner Shout and frequently try to land CC on them. I have met some of them in high level of the arena and it all worked. And druid spec usually don’t have break stun a lot. Locking down with banner shout will at least make it 100% sustain.

If you go Anastasis Tactics’s twitch and watch he run modified version of Banner Shout (by replacing Discipline Banner to Fear me), he says it is great build in fact. And he looks pretty much enjoy this by saying “CC again ahh yeahhhh” stuffs. I love this guy for sexy voice.. omg!!! <3

You can watch the video of Anas Tarcis using modified version of Banner Shout at:
http://www.twitch.tv/tarcisanastasis/v/21395592

or, you can watch play videos of those builds at my twitch link below as well.

The build is confirmed to be good working builds after patch, at least by me, Tarcis and Crysis plus yourfriendmarvin (he is engi tho).

You can grab working builds after HoT expansion at:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/PvP-WvW-Introduction-to-Meta-Builds/

Anyway, if you want mobility then use banner to grant mobility and extra fury uptime. Otherwise you can replace banner by fear me just like Anas Tarcis.

The build is designed to be offensive support build that will helps your teammate a lot to kill fast by CCing a lot plus a bunch of heal from Shout and Banner. It is real annoying build.

Hope you enjoy warrior life~

Like people above says, yes, shout warrior still works. But I do not know how DPS warrior works in these days but many DPS warrior I had against after patch seem to have been experiencing bad era.

Here is snswer:
You don’t have to buy expansion for now if you want to run decent warrior build. Banner Shout and ShoutBow still work fine.

if you go Anastasis Tactics’s twitch and watch he run modified version of Banner Shout (by replacing Discipline Banner to Fear me), he says it is great build in fact. And he looks pretty much enjoy this by saying “CC again ahh yeahhhh” stuffs. I love this guy for sexy voice.. omg!!! <3

You can watch the video of Anas Tarcis using modified version of Banner Shout at:
http://www.twitch.tv/tarcisanastasis/v/21395592

or, you can watch play videos of those builds at my twitch link below as well!

Thus, you can use any one of ShoutBow and Banner Shout, they are both confirmed to be good working builds after patch, at least by me, Tarcis and Crysis.

You can grab those working builds after HoT expansion at:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/PvP-WvW-Introduction-to-Meta-Builds/

Anyway, if you want mobility then use banner to grant mobility and extra fury uptime. Otherwise you can replace banner by fear me just like Anas Tarcis.

For DPS warrior part, I am having some conversation with ESL’s famous e-sports star, “Radioactive Crysis” to find out any viable working DPS build. This will take time to make something safely settled down. And I guess we seem like we need a bit overall buff as well since we can listen to what people saying here. Anet will determine tho :p

Hope you enjoy warrior life~

Valik Shin.9027:

Banners last 4o seconds have 30 sec cd and follow you . Add to banner trait : banners give a pulsing buff , Strength give 3 stacks of might , discipline give fury, tatics gives regen , defense give protection, battle standard give 3 stacks might and 2 stacks stability

I think every people gonna have defensive banner or tactics only based on your theory.
Actually this is nerf.

If we are about to buff banner, I would say all banner bassically need to grant both regen + protection. OR CD time buff from 120s to 60sec so we can spam banners. (currently banner doesn’t do that much helpful in a team fight taking more than 3va3. So either buff its ability, or being able to spamming it is required from my perspective)

More important thing is to buff Sprint. 600 range mobility really small as compared to Ele’s Fiery greatsword. I want 900 -_-;

very interesting ideas going around here!

Warrior is fine if you look other than just new berserker trait. Check below link to get working meta builds.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/PvP-WvW-Introduction-to-Meta-Builds/

Just nerfing current OP-est meta like Druid and Dragonhunter will solve all the balance problem. This is only remaining task for Anet to conduct for balancing. If they get nerfed to normal level, thus berserker triats become as same as their level, then there must be a way to utilize these new stuffs somehow. Even though those nerf was conducted but berserker trait still doesn’t work well, then that might be right time to buff berserker trait.

But this doesn’t mean that warrior is sucks or dead or unplayable. Berserker is just one of traits. Of course, it could just be that we haven’t found working one yet.

Hi I will test it for you.

The Korean Gamer

Phobos.3197:

Yes ‘online’, banner shout was what I was looking forward to most in this $50 expansion.
/s

Warrior is not fine. Not even close to balanced.

Not sure, do Anet refund this game for not being OP of specific class?
If you look for other than that Berserker spec, it is balanced.

Most of problem discussed here is that new Berserker spec isn’t as much OP as new Dragonhunter stuffs.

We just need to wait then, Anet will make decision.
Hope this helps you.

Trying ShoutBow or Banner Shout on them will solve your problem. If ShoutBow doesn’t work, Banner Shout must work. 100% sure since I have tested upon high level players like Apex, The Abjured, Faded, StunningStyle, Radioactive and etc. You can get those builds at my twitch link below.

Warrior is just fine, not that OP but not that weak as well, well-balanced. Anet did pretty good job on balancing.

Just nerfing current OP-est meta like druid and dragonhunter will solve all the balance problem. This is only remaining task for Anet to conduct for balancing. If they get nerfed to normal level then berserker build will be as same as their level to use somehow.

Trying ShoutBow or Banner Shout on them will solve your problem. If ShoutBow doesn’t work, Banner Shout must work. 100% sure since I have tested upon high level players like Apex, The Abjured, Faded, StunningStyle, Radioactive and etc. You can get those builds at my twitch link below.

Warrior is just fine, not that OP but not that weak as well, well-balanced. Anet did pretty good job on balancing.

Just nerfing current OP-est meta like druid and dragonhunter will solve all the balance problem. This is only remaining task for Anet to conduct for balancing.

Case closed.

Nier.8741:

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Warrior is fine.. totally fine.

it is just that other things like druid or dragon hunter is over-buffed and now, every people claim that. Thus they will be nerfed like dd cele ele later. For sure.
If nerf on those class would be conducted later, then everything will be fine.

Warrior specs, including berserker, is just all fine : not that great, or not that bad. Actually, with smashing brawler trait with perma stability on berserker trait line, they works great. They can spam primal burst with only 2.5sec cooldown without any interruption from petma stability. People just don’t know how to fully utilize berserker spec since it has been out for only few days but only compare this berserker spec to Rampage warrior that can be god-mode for 15sec and saying that new berserker spec sucks. They shouldn’t be compared though. Who can win rampage warrior without need to run away until that ends?

Anet did good job on balancing warrior. Just nerf some overbuffed stuffs such as Dragon hunter or druid will solve the balance problem.

You’re forgetting Herald, Scrapper, Chrono, Daredevil, Fresh Air Tempest, and Reaper. All of those are just better in every way because Daredevil for example is impossible to catch. Revenant/Herald? Same garbage AND they can hold point while spamming evades.

This game fails.

Trying ShoutBow or Banner Shout on them will solve your problem. If ShoutBow doesn’t work, Banner Shout must work. 100% sure since I have tested upon high level players like Apex, The Abjured, Faded, StunningStyle, Radioactive and etc. You can get those builds at my twitch link below.

Warrior is just fine, not that OP but not that weak as well, well-balanced. Anet did pretty good job on balancing.

Just nerfing current OP-est meta like druid and dragonhunter will solve all the balance problem. This is only remaining task for Anet to conduct for balancing.

Thus, then berserker spec will be somehow valauable since those OP things are nerfed.

Warrior is fine.. totally fine.

it is just that other things like druid or dragon hunter is over-buffed and now, every people claim that. Thus they will be nerfed like dd cele ele later. For sure.
If nerf on those class would be conducted later, then everything will be fine.

Warrior specs, including berserker, is just all fine : not that great, or not that bad. Actually, with smashing brawler trait with perma stability on berserker trait line, they works great. They can spam primal burst with only 2.5sec cooldown without any interruption from petma stability. People just don’t know how to fully utilize berserker spec since it has been out for only few days but only compare this berserker spec to Rampage warrior that can be god-mode for 15sec and saying that new berserker spec sucks. They shouldn’t be compared though. Who can win rampage warrior without need to run away until that ends?

Anet did good job on balancing warrior. Just nerf some overbuffed stuffs such as Dragon hunter or druid will solve the balance problem.

Warrior is fine.. totally fine.

it is just that other things like druid or dragon hunter is over-buffed and now, every people claim that. Thus they will be nerfed like dd cele ele later. For sure.

If nerf on those class would be conducted later, then everything will be fine.

Warrior specs, including berserker, is just all fine : not that great, or not that bad. Actually, with smashing brawler trait with perma stability on berserker trait line, they works great. They can spam primal burst with only 2.5sec cooldown without any interruption from petma stability. People just don’t know how to fully utilize berserker spec since it has been out for only few days but only compare this berserker spec to Rampage warrior that can be god-mode for 15sec and saying that new berserker spec sucks. They shouldn’t be compared though. Who can win rampage warrior without need to run away until that ends?

Anet did good job on balancing warrior. Just nerf some overbuffed stuffs such as Dragon hunter or druid will solve the balance problem.

KhainPride.3987:

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DaniTheHero.6318:

online.1278:

DaniTheHero.6318:

online.1278:

DaniTheHero.6318:

online.1278:

I play 30min per a day normally lol.

Warrior is fine. If you don’t restrict yourself to Berserker only there are still decent builds that works finely in pvp, such as ShoutBow, Banner Shout or GreatAxe.

Sounds like you are wvw user, then why not go GreatAxe?

If you think berserk is bad, just don’t use it. Rather, please stick to working build -.-

“Strict myself to berserker” It was released to be used, Just like ALL other classes only use their elite specs because they improve on their characters, so should the warrior. A warrior is the only class that is actually avoiding his own elite spec.It’s like every class in the game was buffed while warriors were left exactly where they are.

lol ok. So you need berserker buff.

Aw look, he DOES capable of logically thinking!

Personally i dont that much need berserker buff, but nerf on those other classes’s new stuffs. Especially Dragonhunter. These guys are so OP.
If anet nerf everything of new stuffs except berserker, it will be also fine i guess.

nah, whatever.

nerf all others new stuffs. Vs buff only berserker.

What wins? Lol

Nerf 8 classes to make 1 class more playable vs Buffing 1 class to make him in the same level as the other 8. What’s easier?
You only feel as if they are all SOOOO op, because your character is so weak. Berserker warrior is a complete joke compared to Dragon hunter. Not only because Dragon hunter is OP, but because Berserker is freaking trash.

Nah i uses decent warrior build that won’t be rekt by dragonhunter or any new stuffs. But those builds are not berserker build.

It could also be that decent berserker warrior build hasn’t been found yet. We just don’t know. Why not just wait for at least a month?

every people got dissapointed becuz people want berserker to be superior than rampage warrior, which is god-like for 15sec but this doesn’t make sense if they are compared.

there is one thing that I found superior things about berserker in fact. That is, berserker mode allows you range attack pretty much wider than just skills in normal mode as well as they cam be spammed with minor trait of berserker plus discipline’s weapon swap’s adrenaline gain trait.

It could be that we just didnt find decent one yet.

I dont see that berserker os best in 1vs1 dueling stuffs, however, i feel that tere is huge possibility if berserker build is created for teamfight purpose.

If you are claiming berserker mode sucks becuz you got rekt in 1vs1, i dont think you better not using it for duel. Just go use ramapage warrior to pwn. -.-

i think berserker traits itself is designed for better team fight experience.

wow i just learnt from this internet forum that rampage is op

kite not even once

Rampage is not op but just acceptable since they got nerfed. but it is true that they are god-like for 15sec. when rampage is on, opponent must run away haha.

DaniTheHero.6318:

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DaniTheHero.6318:

online.1278:

DaniTheHero.6318:

online.1278:

I play 30min per a day normally lol.

Warrior is fine. If you don’t restrict yourself to Berserker only there are still decent builds that works finely in pvp, such as ShoutBow, Banner Shout or GreatAxe.

Sounds like you are wvw user, then why not go GreatAxe?

If you think berserk is bad, just don’t use it. Rather, please stick to working build -.-

“Strict myself to berserker” It was released to be used, Just like ALL other classes only use their elite specs because they improve on their characters, so should the warrior. A warrior is the only class that is actually avoiding his own elite spec.It’s like every class in the game was buffed while warriors were left exactly where they are.

lol ok. So you need berserker buff.

Aw look, he DOES capable of logically thinking!

Personally i dont that much need berserker buff, but nerf on those other classes’s new stuffs. Especially Dragonhunter. These guys are so OP.
If anet nerf everything of new stuffs except berserker, it will be also fine i guess.

nah, whatever.

nerf all others new stuffs. Vs buff only berserker.

What wins? Lol

Nerf 8 classes to make 1 class more playable vs Buffing 1 class to make him in the same level as the other 8. What’s easier?
You only feel as if they are all SOOOO op, because your character is so weak. Berserker warrior is a complete joke compared to Dragon hunter. Not only because Dragon hunter is OP, but because Berserker is freaking trash.

Nah i uses decent warrior build that won’t be rekt by dragonhunter or any new stuffs. But those builds are not berserker build.

It could also be that decent berserker warrior build hasn’t been found yet. We just don’t know. Why not just wait for at least a month?

every people got dissapointed becuz people want berserker to be superior than rampage warrior, which is god-like for 15sec but this doesn’t make sense if they are compared.

there is one thing that I found superior things about berserker in fact. That is, berserker mode allows you range attack pretty much wider than just skills in normal mode as well as they cam be spammed with minor trait of berserker plus discipline’s weapon swap’s adrenaline gain trait.

It could be that we just didnt find decent one yet.

I dont see that berserker os best in 1vs1 dueling stuffs, however, i feel that tere is huge possibility if berserker build is created for teamfight purpose.

If you are claiming berserker mode sucks becuz you got rekt in 1vs1, i dont think you better not using it for duel. Just go use ramapage warrior to pwn. -.-

i think berserker traits itself is designed for better team fight experience.

DaniTheHero.6318:

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DaniTheHero.6318:

online.1278:

I play 30min per a day normally lol.

Warrior is fine. If you don’t restrict yourself to Berserker only there are still decent builds that works finely in pvp, such as ShoutBow, Banner Shout or GreatAxe.

Sounds like you are wvw user, then why not go GreatAxe?

If you think berserk is bad, just don’t use it. Rather, please stick to working build -.-

“Strict myself to berserker” It was released to be used, Just like ALL other classes only use their elite specs because they improve on their characters, so should the warrior. A warrior is the only class that is actually avoiding his own elite spec.It’s like every class in the game was buffed while warriors were left exactly where they are.

lol ok. So you need berserker buff.

Aw look, he DOES capable of logically thinking!

Personally i dont that much need berserker buff, but nerf on those other classes’s new stuffs. Especially Dragonhunter. These guys are so OP.
If anet nerf everything of new stuffs except berserker, it will be also fine i guess.

nah, whatever.

nerf all others new stuffs. Vs buff only berserker.

What wins? Lol

vlad.4871:

Necro was out of meta more than 1 year so stop complaining.

? i always saw Noscoc guy in meta team pvp. What r u talking about lol

DaniTheHero.6318:

online.1278:

I play 30min per a day normally lol.

Warrior is fine. If you don’t restrict yourself to Berserker only there are still decent builds that works finely in pvp, such as ShoutBow, Banner Shout or GreatAxe.

Sounds like you are wvw user, then why not go GreatAxe?

If you think berserk is bad, just don’t use it. Rather, please stick to working build -.-

“Strict myself to berserker” It was released to be used, Just like ALL other classes only use their elite specs because they improve on their characters, so should the warrior. A warrior is the only class that is actually avoiding his own elite spec.It’s like every class in the game was buffed while warriors were left exactly where they are.

lol ok. So you need berserker buff.

Personally i dont that much need berserker buff, but nerf on those other classes’s new stuffs. Especially Dragonhunter. These guys are so OP.

If anet nerf everything of new stuffs except berserker, it will be also fine i guess.

I play 30min per a day normally lol.

Warrior is fine. If you don’t restrict yourself to Berserker only there are still decent builds that works finely in pvp, such as ShoutBow, Banner Shout or GreatAxe. As long as I tested against famous pvp people, They do not lose to dragon hunter or rev new stuffs that are currently regarded as OP. I am not sure of GreatAxe, but it’s performance is proved before, so i think it would work on them too!

Sounds like you are wvw user, then why not go GreatAxe?

If you think berserk is bad, just don’t use it. Rather, please stick to working build -.-

Warrior is fine right now. berserker is also fine.

It is just that Dragonhunter, rev stuffs are OP.

But should berserker also need to be OP like them? and everyone knows their OPness so they play them.

Anet will nerf them so, dont worry. xD
it is just time matter.

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Arcade.8901:

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No. warrior is fine as of now.

People Now just tend to play other classes because their new trait other than warrior seem a lot better than what we received, berserker trait.

However, besides that, if you play ShoutBow or Banner Shout, warrior works totally fine.

No. That’s why warriors are totally not fine as of now.

With that mentality you have “we are fine because we have some specc semi-working” i have seen my main warrior nerfed countless amount of times since release, just to buy expansion and play, old, slow, boring, shout kitten.

You sir are wrong.

oh,

so you actually want new stuff, berserker but not old stuffs like stance and shout, to works exactly as effective as druid, dragon hunter and rev, right?

Then we just need to wait anet to rework the berserker trait line entirely. It will takes another few months -.-

Persoanlly I think dragon hunter(guardian with longbiw maybe) is the most amazing. They have so many kitten invisible & range CCs, which definitely need to be nerfed.

Man I don’t give a kitten if war and/or zerker sucks, I play that kitten anyway because it’s fun.

Did you play Aion before? :O

Wasn’t GreatAxe amazing? Idk after expansion tho.

Aion, yeah but a little on Korea server. It was just too grinding and no pvp gear & level equalized arena, which made me stop playing tho. I rather gonna play Blade and Soul NA server next year Q1. I heard it has gear & level equalized arena just like Guildwars 2 thus that is why I gonna play and is published by same company as Aion I guess.

Arcade.8901:

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No. warrior is fine as of now.

People Now just tend to play other classes because their new trait other than warrior seem a lot better than what we received, berserker trait.

However, besides that, if you play ShoutBow or Banner Shout, warrior works totally fine.

No. That’s why warriors are totally not fine as of now.

With that mentality you have “we are fine because we have some specc semi-working” i have seen my main warrior nerfed countless amount of times since release, just to buy expansion and play, old, slow, boring, shout kitten.

You sir are wrong.

oh,

so you actually want new stuff, berserker but not old stuffs like stance and shout, to works exactly as effective as druid, dragon hunter and rev, right?

Then we just need to wait anet to rework the berserker trait line entirely. It will takes another few months -.-

Persoanlly I think dragon hunter(guardian with longbiw maybe) is the most amazing. They have so many kitten invisible & range CCs, which definitely need to be nerfed.

No. warrior is fine as of now. We just need a bit a bit little buff, but that is not that much gap that would make you quit warrior.

People Now just tend to play other classes because their new trait other than warrior seem a lot better than what we received, berserker trait.

However, besides that, if you play ShoutBow or Banner Shout, warrior works totally fine.

People just diminished warrior for now temporarily becuz only new content Berserker trait works not great so they are jusy trying other classes.

I am pretty sure they will come back to warrior when getting bored in the future.

I am writitng down it as I have played high ranking people since patch. There is almost no problem except so many range & invisible CC from Dragon hunter in terms of balance. I havent met decent druid yet but with shoutbow or banner shout I had no prob. they looked very tanky tho. But let me more experience them before making conclusion.

You can go my twitch below and see how i play warrior

ahh plz buff Sprint range to 900~1200 and cooldown time of banner decrease to 90sec. See how Sprint does nothing as compared to ele’s fiery greatsword’s mobility?

dominik.9721:

well druid is like shoutbow which got catapulted in the future while warrior is staying in the stone ages.
Why should I use a knife if I can have an aka 47?
Why should I put effort in this if anet didn’t even do a single change last patch to obviously the worst specialization?

lol yeah.

Berserker trait line is currently not as much as attractive enough to sacrifice one of defense, strength or discipline currently, or even tactics.

When something is newly come out, it will not be used unless it is better than existing stuffs. and it seems like most of other classes except warrior got new traits line that is better than existing traits.

Personally, I wouldn’t also put this berserker shoutbow into original shoutbow’s variation due to it just need 2x better Dead or Alive with 25% heal threshold buff to replace that with defense trait line. and some way of cleansing conditions while in berserker mode.

Currently, this Berserker ShoutBow is troll build, bit effective but not that great from my perspective.

It doesn’t mean that new Berserker trait sucks. But it means that it is just not that great & effective new trait that would replaces existing stuffs. But it is very fun to play berserker test builds simply becuz it is new stuffs lol..

dominik.9721:

defense is also better than berserk – just reroll celestial druid if you want to play shoutbow.
better dmg , better heal and twice as much survivability

that sounds like “you better quit warrior!” :p
like, why? did you lose all the passionate and disappointed for warrior patch?

dominik.9721:

why would you take berserk traitline allthough discipline is obviously so much better ,especally in a build like this :<

? nah, if you look at 4th attempt build above which I posted yesterday, I didnt lose discipline but defense. It is just troll build but also found that it somehow works. only the REAL problem for me is…

I wonder If “Dead or Alive” + “Eternal Champion” + “Fear Me” combination could be a good replacement of “Defy Pain” for enemy’s incoming burst. For this build I can’t use shield due to no defense trait. I just need to test against premade until I meet The Abjured somehow.

look 5th attempt build below.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNBMhNakpDq8wWPwzDoDxSagpUBScRgkDQNLA8uXLsLWA-TpRHwAQLDQ4BAE4QAwb/BAHBABnAAA

cool! I guess it’s CC god build

http://www.twitch.tv/esportskorea/v/22342688

test play video of 4th attempt build.

Probably Troll build, but,

1. You have to use Settler amulet because you do not have discipline to swap weapon faster, which means you need to normal attack a lot to gain adrenaline, which requires very high toughness to do so. Thus, settler.

2. You have a bunch of heal option :

• Rousing Resilience – you can make a comber like Head Butt->Shake it off. You get 5000 hp immediately every 20sec PLUS extra 1000 toughness for 8sec => total 4646 toughness woohoo!
• Dead or Alive : 5500 heal every 30sec

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAseTnMdAVegteAeeAElilrAL5Ck1KBIBgEQq7d0mabtA-TJxHABOVGY2nAgO7PAwpAAA

lol it is troll build, i am sorry. Gaining adrenaline is so hard for this build. dont even have swiftness in fast lol

2nd attempt : somehow works better in dueling. no discipline but in berserker mode i can spam primal burst becuz it takes only 3 sec to recharge. But in this case I need super fast adrenaline recharge so I need cleasing ire.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAseTjMdQlH26BeeAdIWqCskXQXLFgs4aABg3Rbrd2C-TJxHABOVGY2nAgO7PAwpAAA

3rd attempt:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAseTjMdQlH26BeeAdIWSDMlKQiLCkcAqZBg3/ahNxC-TpRHwAQLDQ4BAE4QAwb/BAHBABnAAA

this is just better. but sure it could get bursted down when you get matched against famous team like Abjured. But I think when you switch King of Fire to Eternal Champion, there could be a chance not to get bursted down along with Dead or Alive trait plus Salvage Leap + warhorn skills + fear me.

4th attempt:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAseTjMdQlH26BeeAdIWSDMlKQiLCkcAqZBg39ahdxC-TpRHwAQLDQ4BAE4QAwb/BAHBABnAAA

This is better than 3rd one in terms of stability to rez people, and burst down whole enemy team when they try to rez a downed enemy using berserker mode. actually you can spam primal burst with shout adrenaline gain plus smash brawler.

5th attempt :
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNBMhNakpDq8wWPwzDoDxSagpUBScRgkDQNLA8uXLsLWA-TpRHwAQLDQ4BAE4QAwb/BAHBABnAAA

I wonder If “Dead or Alive” + “Eternal Champion” + “Fear Me” combination could be a good replacement of “Defy Pain” for enemy’s incoming burst. For this build I can’t use shield due to no defense trait. I just need to test against premade until I meet The Abjured somehow.

The most beautiful part when you combine shout with berserker is that, you can SPAM primal bursts. With just one shout + weapon swap, you can use use one primal burst.

And flaming flurry is actually very good. has 5000 burn dmg plus it is moveable.

Odokuro.5049:

I have a few questions about being a Warrior, that hopefully the Warrior forum community can answer!

1. How well do Warriors perform in the available game-types? (sPvP/PvE/WvW.)
2. Will Warriors have a strong role in say Raiding?
3. What Build or Builds am I looking at for PvE/WvW/sPvP?
4. Are Warriors good at surviving, or do you find Warriors need to kite more than being Direct and Aggresive in fights. (Melee).
5. Progression wise, are Warriors slow/medium/fast as far as pace through content?

Thanks for your help, have a great day!

1. How well do Warriors perform in the available game-types? (sPvP/PvE/WvW.)
for sPvP : Good. not that great but not that bad. I would say warrior is in the middle : well balanced.

2. Will Warriors have a strong role in say Raiding?
idk becuz it look like wvw question.

3. What Build or Builds am I looking at for PvE/WvW/sPvP?
sPvP : ShoutBow or GreatAxe. If you are beginner, ShoutBow is perfect choice for you.
Check link below to find ShoutBow build.

4. Are Warriors good at surviving, or do you find Warriors need to kite more than being Direct and Aggresive in fights. (Melee).
sPvP perspective, yeah. Very good.
Shout Warrior is one of high sustaining class with dd cele ele in this game.

5. Progression wise, are Warriors slow/medium/fast as far as pace through content?
idk.

Sorry. I only answered PvP part of your question.

GreatAxe or ShoutBow are best choice currently, especially for pvp, or probably for wvwer it can be wvw gvg build or something. Not sure tho since i am massive pvper.-.-

Choppy.4183:

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You’re wrong about GreatBow. First, the gs alone has enough power to kill a thief with just a whirlind and arcing slice if you’re geared in zerk. The bow gives you aoe when stealth in advance of a burst, but it’s main purpose is to out-trade damage when they’re using their shortbow.

As for GreatAxe, it’s not a matter of luck. You can play it well enough to kill thieves with a pretty high chance of success. It’s not like we’re talking about fighting an ele here.

The above builds are stance based, of course.

for greatbow, i said not easier, which means harder but it can kill theif.

For greataxe, common~, inflicting evis is always half-luck against decent players. I know one guy 90% dodging it but he is like the one who have spent 3000+ hours in dueling arena only. Of course, shield bash too. They are so telegraphed.

For ShoutBow (Settler):
No doubt, the easiest way to duel thief is ShoutBow (it doesn’t matter what build they use. ShoutBow will beat all kinda thieves). But you cannot kill them if they stop fighting against you but let them run away. Don’t use celestial ShoutBow, it just very bad against decent thief like Caed or Magic Toker and you will get rekt. Either warhorn or shield is fine if you equip Settler against thief class. just block, for shield, or inflict weakness, for warhorn, appropriately.

For GreatAxe:
To kill thief by a luck or chance, use gs/axe-shield on them. I think it will just blow up them if successfully inflicted.

For GS/LB:
GS/LB, nah, it is very old build and I don’t think it can kill them not easier than above builds.

For Hambow:
you can’t win.

For GreatHammer:
You have slightly chance to win but I wouldnt say it is as effective as ShoutBow or GreatAxe.

highly interesting and nice build. since shout has ho stability that allows to fight in close , you combined berserker’s stability with shout. And for condi cleasne you use warhorn plus shout. I see many possibility here. The problem i see now is that you will get bursted down wjen it comes to team pvp via mic by being targetted cuz of no endure pain and shield block. Buut it can be use-able in soloq where not really such premade exists.