Guild Wars 2

Kincaidia.3192:

It’s not even close to the same thing as level experience, and I agree that it should be account wide and not character specific. It will pigeonhole people into single characters.
“Oh, I can’t play the character I actually would like to play because I need the +5 supply for my group.”

I’ve already found myself not logging into my other level 80s other than my primary because it feels wasteful.

Exactly. Yes, it is our personal preferences. But when the game actively discourages playing on alts because of a lack of reward for the time and effort you spend into it (especially when it takes hundreds of hours of zerging), it’s very frustrating.

That’s great that they got more people involved in WvW, don’t isolate those of us that already enjoyed it thoroughly.

Well it does matter, we’ve dropped from 25-30 potential points this week down to 19 right now. It looks like we might be dragged back into tier 8 for quite some time.

ET/FC do not dissapoint! If you drag us back down here only to dissapoint again in a couple weeks. I will be sad.

Nabrok.9023:

Agreed, it’s exactly the same thing. This isn’t just an achievement or title, you are buying abilities with these points, and I am going to be taking different paths with each character.

Yes, you can eventually max them all, but that’s not going to be for a while and in the mean-time different characters will specialize differently.

If you have several level 80s of the same profession I might agree. However, these skills are not professions specific, they are passive buffs and reaching the end takes almost 10 times longer than leveling a character to 80. Beyond that, there really isn’t much variety in the skills.

If there was variety, if there was profession specific abilities, and if the timeframe was reasonable, I would agree. But unfortunately that is not the case.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Graybes.8251:

Not even close to being the same thing.

It’s exactly the same thing.

With one character I do PVE activity X enough times to get Y xp and that character goes up a level.

now replace PVE for WvW and level for rank

Except for the timeframe of course. 500 hours to level 80 would be rather excessive, and that’s arguing for a constant 500 hours of WvW ikittenerg. Considering level to 80 takes 60 hours on average, that is a huge slap in the face for those of us that like to play multiple characters. It stifles us and prevents us from using our characters, that we have already built up in WvW, unless we decide to take the hit and repeat the experience, skills and buffs we’ve already earned.

edit: why is “in” “a” “zerg” being filtered out?

Spitfire, as someone on Sorrow’s Furnace that constantly dominates ET and FC, I would make arguments for transferring to FC if it’s a choice between the two. FC’s skill level is very impressive, it’s their numbers that hurt them. They have also received some additional numbers from higher tiers as well, that has brought them up even further and has made them incredibly fun to fight.

ET already has numbers, they just need to improve their overall skill. Beyond that they recently lost skilled members of their most notable WvW guild.

If FC holds us off it’s due to tactics, if ET ever holds us off it’s due to numbers. Being a player who enjoys the more strategical side of the game, I would push for FC.

That being said, if it were me, I would guest over to each server, hop in LA and get a feeling for the community and ask your questions there, that’s probably better off than asking for selective opinions on the forums.

edit: Not to mention that recruiters are going to make their servers look much better than they actually are, which is annoyingly dishonest.

Yes, some members from a significant guild on ET went to HoD. FC on the other hand has been receiving some very quality transfers, and has become very impressive to fight off.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

DeWolfe.2174:

In my point of view, it’s a ridiculous concept to put a virtual character ahead of the living breathing, real life person who paid to play the game.

So when you go up a level in PVE, all your alts should go up a level, right?

And if your Warrior character learns a new elite skill, all your other chars should have access to it too, right?

You aren’t earning access to profession specific skills, character specific traits, gear, etc. You are being rewarded for putting time and effort into WvW, you shouldn’t be punished (in either rank or passive buffs) for wanting to play on an alt.

My titles aren’t lost when I switch characters, my sPvP level and rewards aren’t lost, why should my WvW rewards? It’s a backwards system based on previous precedents. If the WvW rewards were something itemizable, I would agree with you, but they aren’t.

I’ll just add my two cents here as well. I play WvW quite a bit, and usually on several characters depending on the situation. If my group needs seige defense and control, I roll on my ele for a bit. If I feel like capping camps and roaming in general, I roll on my ranger. If I feel like picking people off whether zerging, roaming, or defending, I roll of my thief. If I feel like turning on my Commander tag and/or fighting in zergs I get my mesmer.

Or at least, I used to. Now I feel like I’m repeating all of the work that I already accomplished on one of my characters. Honestly, it’s really annoying. Since I’m on my mesmer the most, and she has the commander tag, I haven’t gone into WvW on any of my other characters since the patch, it just feels like I’m wasting experience. Especially with how long it takes to earn WXP unless you are running around with a massive zerg.

I like the WXP idea, a lot. It brought a lot of attention to WvW, and re-invigorated everyone to participate. But it’s going to cause burnout, it already has for me when I feel like I can’t WvW on any of my other characters because there is an excess of progress to make on my mesmer (if the 1hour/1rank WXP stands it will take upwards of 500 hours in WvW per character, and that’s assuming I run with zergs constantly).

This part just wasn’t thought out very well in my opinion.

edit: Also, 75 experience for a structure defense and hundreds of experience for structure capture? That’s just begging for people to not upgrade, let their structures get cap’d and then recap them, this encourages the zerg behavior even more. Shouldn’t you be incentivized for defending your structures? It makes sense to me for the defense, and capture to be the same amount of experience; especially since capturing with a decent group is much faster than the event timers for defending are. And if you’re worried about people triggering defense events unnecessarily, don’t be. It still takes a long time to earn that experience and even longer to earn experience for ranking up.

There are also smaller roaming guilds that have some amazing tactics. If they had the numbers, they would be extremely powerful (on our server WWGD specifically stands out to me, who are also members of other guilds when they aren’t grouped up together). I notice this most on SF and FC. Unfortunately, because they aren’t bigger, they aren’t as notable nor are people familiar with them; but they easily come on par or above some of the more known WvW guilds.

Lol @ TAC being the most coordinated in t8. On ET sure (I’d even argue that’s the case), but for the whole of t8, that’s a little boisterous when you aren’t in other servers nor playing all day to see what the competition offers.

That being said, Loken, welcome :P. FC already had players with quite a bit of skill, but adding numbers and higher tier skill and tactics, well this is just going to be fun now. Keep it up so remaining in the Glicko Ghetto becomes engaging.

Well this did answer that at least if the other teams have lower numbers it doesn’t dynamically decrease the cap for our own team. That’s good to know.

Habib Loew.6239:

Yes, we’re looking into it. In fact, we had a meeting just today about scoring/rating/matchmaking issues!

N.B. That meeting was already scheduled to occur before we got the cookies.

Oh. my. god. Acknowledgement. I feel like I’ve found religion, or something or other. But seriously, good to hear.

Ah! I thought it was a new graphic lol. It was happening to my clones all night yesterday when someone would kill them, it was really weird. The screenshots clearly indicate its a bug though.

If I remember I’ll attach my own DxDiag when I get home, but for reference I’m sporting a 560 TI, i2500k, with 16GB of RAM on Windows 7. With Nvidia and Windows drivers all up to date.

edit: Also, this was noticed by everyone I was grouped with last night as well. So at least 10 different people confirmed and commented on it, and we all have pretty different systems.

If it is dynamic though, just try transferring at night before you go to bed or in the morning when you wake up.

Sometimes ANets vaguery over basic information is infuriating.

The news article that listed servers available just had the servers available removed. I don’t know why they keep changing it, but it’s kitten annoying.

Earlier today it listed all servers in the Tier 7 and Tier 8 brackets in NA.

I’m guessing their definition of medium is different than the medium we see when we select servers, regardless we are getting off topic.

Hi oceanic-land, join us in SF.

Necro’ing this thread because of the update and new information.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/free-transfers-to-medium-populations-worlds

Sorrow’s Furnace is in the list of free transfers. We have a very strong presence outside of our Oceanic timezone, and could use all the help we can get to solidify our core for when we move up into other tiers.

So yes, consider transferring to Sorrow’s Furnace where you will be met with open arms and a stable backbone to support your efforts when you are offline.

Just as an adverse opinion and some points as I would be disillusioned if I transferred to ET expecting something else.

- Zergs happen quite often on ET, especially during primetime and going into the night.
- These zergs often take an anti-combative sentiment, in that as soon as they are met with relative resistance, they run away to another Map. (Which in turn leads to a game of hide and seek.)
- There is clearly disconnect between Commanders and players (as there is on every server) as evidenced by the chain in this linked thread

Short of that, the rest of the points seemed accurate enough. Hopefully you garner some numbers to improve your WvW presence.

Rob.7624:

Sorrows Furnace is looking like an interesting server to watch.
With training.
It smells of tier 3.
Maybe you should consider buying some guilds to create a stronger core.

I’m not sure what this post was trying to convey, sarcasm? Perhaps it just went over my head. In either case, we are looking forward to getting into t7 with you.

Had fun slaughtering ET in excess tonight with outmanned buff on ourselves several times over. It was rather funny that as soon as the ET zerg ran into a tower with ACs, or saw any group of SF larger than 3, they’d run to another map. Rinse and repeat.

Giving up seems to be the new motto -_-. I’m not sure the strategy of boring us out of WvW seems to be working though.

(And yes, it was a zerg, you drew your own orange swords quite frequently TFoR and the stragglers of PK)

Also, question for PK, what is the point of standing still when you see Invaders and subsequently dying without doing anything? Some sort of ‘giving up’ message perhaps? That seemed to be a recurring theme with your members…

roostapro.9827:

Considering you hold a grudge at ET for certain things, which i might add SF has done in the past also and still do, makes you the hypocrite and not me.

Your post was highly amusing, but i see the allegations and I among others will look into it.

We take these allegations seriously and will look into these…

Holding grudges doesn’t do anyone a favour.

@pulse – IF you have screenshots, class & guild tag, PM me, and please for the love of god report it to a net and not on the forums

@ centaur (on phone so keeping this short for now) – i am aware of that, but it seems alot of disrespect is coming from SF to us, but perspective is OP and accusations can fly.

Note, i wasn’t saying whole of SF,..just another player from that server…

Eh ill explain more soon, in wvw atm and phone is rather annoyingme

I never said I wasn’t a hypocrit, only that certain ET posters were unaware of their own hypocracy. That being said, if SF is exploiting get in contact with the WvW guilds on SF please. And yes, we have been mailing the exploits to ANet regularly.

Runamok.9638:

PvDoor is lovely for Karma and XP train leveling alts. Whack-a-mole always leads to a run-in with the enemy at some point. If defending points engaging the enemy with my alts offered more return on time investment I would do more of it.

We all know that the playing field is even and the superior skill and tactics of SF are the difference maker. No numbers imbalances here. My server mates will eventually see the truth if I keep repeating it.

I am sure the vast majority of people want SF out of T8 to freshen things up. I personally could care less. Actually I would rather see you stuck here indefinitely out of spite since you guys want out so badly. How I am I to know if the server that replaces SF will be more fun to fight. It is better to focus on having fun today and let tomorrow take care of itself. It is still possible to have lots of fun playing WvW in a variety of different ways.

That lack-of-SF-hate coming from ET nonetheless comes across as almost sarcasm. I’m so confused, yet, pleased in a conflicted manner as well. *spontaneously combusts

I believe you have found your solution to winning.

roostapro.9827:

Huh..
More disrespect from another SF player…

This has obviously turned into a .insert server hate here and how you hate them whinewhinewhine.

I guess mods should lock all NA T8 thread match ups from now on until people stop acting like kids.

Obliviousness to hypocracy seems to run abound with ET posters lately.

lvis.3824:

Yeah you got it, i need to play better, to win agains 5 people who camp the arena , come down for the stomp and port up again.

Clearly a l2 kitten ue ….

some people just don’t get it.

If you don’t have to say anything constructive don’t say anything at all.

Except everyone else is saying the same thing. Just let it go, take a second, and breathe. Sometimes situations are unfortunate, that’s life. It doesn’t mean they are unfair or neccesitate an emotionally-initiated nerf.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

I understand frustration but why even bring this up on the forum if you do not want to discuss the problem?

It sounds like he is a well known commander, so probably as an official announcement for reference.

Because it’s a jumping puzzle? No one cares? No one wants ANet to invest time into it over the plethora of other things?

And honestly, that just makes it more fun when I get up top and knock a bunch of them off the edge as soon as they port up, some of the most rewarding moments I’ve had in game.

Also, your ‘facts’ are interestingly enough based on circumstantial evidence that come as across as opinions (much less offended opinions)

Parktou.4263:

Eredon Terrace has put a bad taste in our mouths……why, because we didn’t let your mindless zerg PvDoor? Don’t know which one of us offended you so much my gentle little friend, but if you guys are attacking us instead of FC for something so petty, then that’s just dumb. Last I checked the reason why both SF and FC always start their days on OUR BL is because its the only place you’ll actually find a fight.

Oh, and don’t be so sore that we ninja’d 2 of your keeps the other night, we took all of FC’s keeps too.

Unfortunately I cannot post why in the forums unless I want the post to be removed or receive an infraction for it. I would suggest you read between the lines to figure it out though.

Ungood.3054:

I can’t speak for anyone else, but I feel a little at odds with myself mentioning that I want SF out of our Server while I am planting my boot against their backside ensuring that they stay awhile longer.

It’s cute how you give yourself so much credit for what is moreso your server, and beyond that the how Glicko2 handles tier 8.

Keep battling t7, yes… keep battling, we are coming for one of you, slowly but surely. /evilgrin.

Nuzt.7894:

They won’t be happy until they completely screw the rest of the tiers because aparently theirs is more important.

Transfers are available, if your that unhappy, transfer.

To all you people saying transfer so the threads are gone, give me the $2,500 or the 6000 gold required to get the gems move my guild of 200 people…

THEN give me influence we will have lost to maintain the core upgrades and missions we have already purchased which is around 320,000k influence right now. And to speed that up to the point that we will have them immediately like we do now, that comes out to 320,313,900 influence.

So assuming you want to do that with gold through influence purchases, that’s about 640,000 gold, or $532,000… whichever you prefer of course.

Until ANet accomodates those problem areas, they are screwing thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of players that have ever been in, will be going to, or are currently in tier 8.

This is a problem regardless of how much you hate seeing the threads, and regardless of whether you convince me or a few people in this thread to stop, there are more people constantly coming into WvW that will come to these threads to post the exact same thing over and over again.

As for the majority being more important than the minority, grow up.

ANet screwed the system up with allowing free transfers as long as they did, and then refused to implement the fix to the system by initating a reset after the transfers because the t1/2 children complained that they MAY actually have to work slightly to get back up to their position. God forbid you have two or three weeks unbalanced matches out of the last 4 months to make it enjoyable for everyone else that has been in unbalanced matches constantly since launch.

ET and SF will never have a treaty, just saying. There are a plethora of Commanders that go out of their way to destroy ET (myself included) just because of the ET playerbase we’ve encountered (no it’s not about numbers, topic for another day).

FC we’ll usually go after (during primetime at least) when ET has all been capped. Also FC’s numbers usually pale so far in comparison it just isn’t fun (e.g. last night in FC borderlands we capped the entire map with no resistance in less than 10-15 minutes~), and when FC does have numbers we actually respect the majority of them for their tactics they’ve used with said lack of numbers.

If anything we’d ‘ally’ with FC, but only until we needed a minor break from stomping on ET to the point of boredom.

There was a dev post a while ago that brought up this issue, and that they are working on possible solutions. One of the proposed solutions was a timer, that would autokick the dead person back to the spawn after a certain period of time. I personally wouldn’t be surprised to see it appear during the WvW patch on Tuesday.

It was kind of funny as we were capping the FC borderlands last night and suddenly ET goes after your Hills. What was even more funny is that we sent a group to hills while ET was sieging, went through the openings created by ET, and ninja ganked it from both ET and FC.

Lulz were had. That being said, let’s keep the chat in the ET/FC/SF post of the week here

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/3-15-SF-ET-FC-Version-12-0

And yeah ET, bring it on :P.

Ungood.3054:

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

I disagree that it’s PvE only. I do this daily on my chars, it takes a few minutes to get my Mes up and then I invite guild members to come as I port them and their alts up, usually then someone rotates out and I port my alts up.

2-5 minutes for ~20 badges, 2+ siege weapons, and a chance at rare loot (i.e. precursor), is far faster method of obtaining those rewards than just killing players in maps; especially when the enemy is lacking in numbers and is hardly anywhere to be found.

….and what you just described is not purely PvE.. How?

Maybe I misunderstood, it sounded like you were claiming doing the JP was not useful for WvW, on that point for resources I was disagreeing. If you were saying that there weren’t inherent elements of the PvP part of WvW, then that might be true; but that also rules out any unmanned camps/structures in WvW.

So again, I fail to see your solely-PvE claim, unless you feel that all PvE elements should be removed from WvW, in which case, you might just want to go sPvP instead for those of us that enjoy it as it is.

Ungood.3054:

This has been my feelings on it as well, the JP in WvW map is purely a PvE thing, just like Poi, Vista and skill points.

and I fully respect willing to stop by and get a few free badges from the JP if there is someone there that can help you do the JP without, you know, doing the JP LOL.

Anyway, I hear you guys have a puppet there that helps you with that, that’s good fortune to you, but as you said, the JP offers nothing to the server, either by camping it, or doing it.

Free Siege is a misnomer in my book, as I think it is easier to kill a player in WvW then is it to jump around some puzzle, and given the numbers that SF is putting on the field lately, there is zero shortage of badges around. But truth be told I wanted to play a puzzle jumping game that was reminisce of Mario World, I’d just go play Mario World.

But as with anything, what people enjoy in a game is their own thing, we are not required to all like the same things, hence why there are many ways play, different classes, races, and avenues, like WvW, sPvP, and PvE.

I disagree that it’s PvE only. I do this daily on my chars, it takes a few minutes to get my Mes up and then I invite guild members to come as I port them and their alts up, usually then someone rotates out and I port my alts up.

2-5 minutes for ~20 badges, 2+ siege weapons, and a chance at rare loot (i.e. precursor), is far faster method of obtaining those rewards than just killing players in maps; especially when the enemy is lacking in numbers and is hardly anywhere to be found.

Can we have a mod lock this thread so it stops getting necro’d :/?

For everyone else, please continue the conversation in this thread

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/3-15-SF-ET-FC-Version-12-0/first

Thanks.

Dat ET Garrison last night, holy hell.

Break the west wall get west gate to 50%~ and get pushed out, bring a golem army to watergate, get through inner, get pushed out. After two or three different siege placement for mid gate finally get in, and slowly work your numbers down to the point that we rush in and cap it.

It was tremendously fun, do it more often please :P.

Sidenote: It was the running joke of the night that we were fighting your entire server at the Garrison. So does that mean I could have had my guildies guest over for lag-free dragon events last night :P?

Alright, now that I have successfully derailed the conversation, (and have become the envy of everyone) we should get back to how horrible the Glicko system is, and how it pales in comparison to STDs.

katz.8376:

ewwwwww. >edges away from pulsecodesgnl<

What if it’s an STD that provides perma-invulnerability?

*infects Jerknar. Owait, not that kind of STD?

Well in any case … uhm … I’ll just walk away now.

Yeah, as long as we don’t lose everything we gained this week, then we’ll continually be crawling our way out of here.

It really makes me hate Glicko when I start thinking about how much movement we would have had in any other tier if the scores were the same.

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.

Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).

Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.

Hence the +/- right before the figure.

Considering that we’ve been dominating for only half the time of your “+/- 3 months of domination,” that’s an incredibly wide variance for that +/-. As someone who uses +/- quite frequently in her profession, it’s usually used as a stand in for “roughly.” As in, “I don’t have the precise number, but this is a pretty close and accurate rough figure.” And we’re nowhere near dominating for “roughly 3 months” yet. 3 months is basically doubling the time period that we’ve actually been dominating the tier and hyperinflates the figure.

I advise you to start using “+/- 1.5 months” for a more accurate description of the situation.

Technically, it’s 2.5 now. Unless you’re referring to the roflstomping, in which case 1.5 – 2 is more accurate.

Please the t8 feedback contained to this linked thread

Let’s not spam up the WvW forums for the other servers/players. More posts does not mean the devs will notice this anymore than they have lately (e.g. zero devs watching x 1000 posts is still zero devs watching).

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Tier-8-Points-Extremely-Scewed

Minus Guardian, I’ve leveled the other three classes to 80 and played with a variety of styles mainly focusing on maximizing damage. Out of the three, Mesmer scepter is probably the least efficient for direct damage but nice for shatter/confusion builds, Elementalist scepter has great versatility and coupled with a dagger provides a significant amount of direct damage, condition damage, blast finishers and might stacking. Necromancer condition builds require scepter to be most optimal.

So whoever told you scepter’s were bad for classes misinformed you heavily. But it is largely based on what you want to build for.

Too bad it only discussed culling. Which we already pretty much knew those points based on earlier interviews.

D W.5179:

Yep, over engineered.
Even if it worked as designed to provide even match-ups more consistently than WU/LD, I’d rather use the WU/LD system because fighting the same fight for months is boring and repetitive.

Agreed. Learning new skills, strategies and styles leads to improvement. It’s hard to do that when matches become so stale because everyone is familiar with each others tactics.

Honestly, I’m sure ET/FC could do much better than they are, they are just bored and demoralized for the most part.

Not to mention that actually cycles colors for the PvE players that want world completion.

Lol, this is exactly what I’m talking about.

“It illustrates that there is some kind of language/communication barrier and that is just leading us in circles.”

I didn’t say you were whining about warriors. I’m saying Warriors excel in sPvP despite what some whiny thread with anecdotal evidence says. And there is plenty of whining going on in this thread. That’s it, that is all.

I don’t have time to explain myself over and over again, so with that clarification, I am done now, leaving you to run in circles with someone else because of the comprehension barrier.

Tried to edit, and failed because I wasn’t paying attention (deleted instead). But yes, I laugh at the idea that warriors do not excel in sPvP, and that you don’t see whining in this thread. It illustrates that there is some kind of language/communication barrier and that is just leading us in circles.

King Amadaeus.8619:

I was thinking the same thing about the swords, but I am sure you can see them.

We have been seeing more and more of them from ET, but everyone on here acts like they have never generated them…I know we have seen them on many occasions the last couple of weeks, honestly don’t remember seeing any from Ferg but I could be wrong.

Yeah that’s why I’m confused. I constantly see swords in ET and FC, especially during primetime; and I know they aren’t ours because I like to roam in small groups, and running towards those swords usually ends up being bad for us lol, yet fun.

I think a week ago in the ET borderlands there were 2-3 Orange swords on the map, and there was no SF presence, it was ET/FC fighting each other. I dragged a bunch of guildies into the map and had some of the most fun fights (three way) I’ve had in a long time. It makes me excited to get into a higher tier which I know won’t happen soon.

EnRohbi.2187:

There are some matchups in this game that just suck. It’s not good, but it is a reality of the situation we’re in. And they don’t all have straightforward solutions.

Whoever is arguing for a straightforward-specific solution can do that all they want, it won’t go anywhere, that much has been made clear over time. What arguments should be made (and are being made) is that something needs to change, that should continue until it makes ANet weep of redundancy to the point that they fix it (or even attempt to do so).